Talk:Brutalist architecture

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web design

I added a mention[1] of the recent trend of "brutalist web design" that has recently been getting press (I gave just one citation but there's a fair amount more coverage out there). Another editor took it out and moved it to the web design article, on the basis that this current article is about architecture, so the addition here was out of place.

I'll defer to others here but I thought it was a reasonable addition to the current article as well, since it documents the influence of the brutalist architectural movement in areas outside architecture, which is imho of some relevance to the architecture article. So I'd support adding it back, maybe with different phrasing per the above. It's not a big deal either way, but I'm mentioning it here in case anyone else has thoughts. 50.0.121.79 (talk) 20:30, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

"a case example of" (photograph caption)

What is this supposed to mean? I have never heard this expression before, and I am a 64-year-old native speaker of English.213.127.210.95 (talk) 12:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

"Brutalism" vs. "New Brutalism"

Hi. I'm currently sighting the sources. There seems to be some confusion between Brutalism and New Brutalism (therefore the first Brutalist building actually isn't) Also other small things. See my comments:

• The term Brutalism was formed by Le Corbusier (French speaking as betón brut is French) and spreaded via Congrès Internationaux d'Architecture Moderne. There's not much written I found about that.
• The Frech term "brut" also means "brutal" or "rude", of course. Not only raw. And that's how it is intended. I also found the term "warehouse style" used by Le Corbusier, Mies van der Rohe and Frank Lloyd Wright (but would not mention in this article).
• The (first) Banham Article I found is from 1955. Furthermore it is about "New Brutalism", not Brutalism. His approach is widening the limitations of "Brutalism" so also Villa Göth (1952) or Hunstanton School (1949-1954) is covered (which would usually not be considered Brutalism). This worked yesterday, today it's asking me to register: https://www.architectural-review.com/rethink/viewpoints/the-new-brutalism-by-reyner-banham/8603840.article
• Cite from the 1955 Banham Article (about Hunstanton school): this is a building that some brutalists can apparently accept as constituent new brutalist structure
• The "New Brutalists" later founded Team 10 and then later they crashed the Congrès Internationaux d'Architecture Moderne. They called it "New Brutalism" to delimit from Le Corbusier.
• The press did not really accept this initiative and complained about the awkward name "New Brutalism" http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-46209489.html (sorry it's German language)
• The Britannica uses the other Title "New Brutalism" instead "Brutalism" https://www.britannica.com/art/New-Brutalism
• Earlier Buildings: This one was long believed to be the "first" concrete church, at least in Europe: de:Heilig-Geist-Kirche (Wien) (planned from 1907, finished 1913). István Medgyaszay in Muľa was finished 1910.

Comments? --Thomas Ledl (talk) 10:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Capital or lower case?

In this article the initial "B", when it is not at the beginning of a sentence, is sometimes set in capital and sometimes in lower case. Which should it be? Michael Hardy (talk) 01:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Capital "B". LoopZilla (talk) 09:38, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

A contradiction

Early in the article this sentence appears."Architects Alison and Peter Smithson are believed to have coined the term "Brutalism" "

Later this appears. The term "Brutalism" was originally coined by the Swedish architect Hans Asplund to describe Villa Göth in Uppsala"71.36.157.252 (talk) 04:47, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I had a look at the sources and it appears that the Smithsons got it from Asplund. So I resolved the contradiction by crediting the Smithsons with introducing it to the English speaking world. Does that seem a reasonable resolution? Possums (talk) 11:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Lead rewrite

Hi fellow Wikipedians,

As someone not very knowledgable in architecture, I found the lead section very confusing, as it doesn't give a proper definition of Brutalist architecture nor does it highlight some of its defining features. The lead section should start off with the most important facts followed by less important facts. It may be helpful to define modernist architecture too. I would've rewrote it myself, but again, I'm not exactly an expert in this field. Thanks! Ganbaruby (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jtfolden: I attempted a small re-write that functions more as a broad introduction to "what is brutalism" Jtfolden undid my revision, having preferred the prior version. However I agree that the lead needs a re-write as it very quickly jumps into fairly esoteric details. It would be useful to have a more general overview. Perhaps jtfolden would volunteer to do this re-write, or at least discuss what about my edit was lacking? Possums (talk) 09:32, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Possums: I initially reverted it, before seeing the alert about re-writing the lead, mainly because it removed the reference to some structures also being made out of brick, steel, etc... Some past edits to the page removed everything but concrete. Given the earliest Brutalist buildings were brick, I think it's important to keep it in the lead. Some of the other info there is duplicated or also referenced in later sections though, and I'll see if I can't merge a bit of it together. Jtfolden (talk) 23:43, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jtfolden: I've cleaned up the lead. It's now a lot simpler and mostly just refers the content in the body below. I've added a picture of the High Court of Australia, I think its a good example but there could be a better one. All that glitters is (talk) 07:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)