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:::::I am asking again, how the image in question is relevant to the section's context and an "important illustrative aid to understanding"? The article body has 3 images, plus 2 music tracks, it's not like it has so few images as well as files.--[[User:Miki Filigranski|Miki Filigranski]] ([[User talk:Miki Filigranski|talk]]) 16:02, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::I am asking again, how the image in question is relevant to the section's context and an "important illustrative aid to understanding"? The article body has 3 images, plus 2 music tracks, it's not like it has so few images as well as files.--[[User:Miki Filigranski|Miki Filigranski]] ([[User talk:Miki Filigranski|talk]]) 16:02, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::: Ah, I thought it was a different image in question. "File:Gackt 2013 RCTI.jpg" -- there are articles that include images based on the year they were taken. Also the image is from Indonesian telecast, which ties into his fame outside of Japan, considering he doesn't even live there as his primary residence anymore. The caption can be improved to reflect his international fame throughout Asia. Cheers, '''<font face="times">[[User_Talk:Oncamera|on]]</font><font face="times">[[User:Oncamera|camera]]</font>''' 16:18, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::: Ah, I thought it was a different image in question. "File:Gackt 2013 RCTI.jpg" -- there are articles that include images based on the year they were taken. Also the image is from Indonesian telecast, which ties into his fame outside of Japan, considering he doesn't even live there as his primary residence anymore. The caption can be improved to reflect his international fame throughout Asia. Cheers, '''<font face="times">[[User_Talk:Oncamera|on]]</font><font face="times">[[User:Oncamera|camera]]</font>''' 16:18, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::::The image is related to "''In November 2013, Gackt appeared as a guest-star in two episodes (21 & 22) of the Indonesian [[Tokusatsu]] series, ''[[Bima Satria Garuda]]'', as "Noir", the mysterious "Bima Legend" Knight from Parallel World''" and hence will include it there for now. Is there any RS about it which could be cited for "international fame throughout Asia"? The inclusion of the series acting role in music career section, as an exception, is a bit off. Instead, I advise you to search for photographs & videos in the period of 2010-2012 when he toured with a band Europe and Japan. There must be files uploaded by fans & whoever. --[[User:Miki Filigranski|Miki Filigranski]] ([[User talk:Miki Filigranski|talk]]) 13:54, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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Personal life - Tax and mistress/child scandal?

I understand GACKT keeps his personal life pretty well hidden, but surely this article (or those it sources) could count as source? In short, it mentions his rather odd-looking finances as well as the fact he has a mistress and child in Vancouver, Canada. [1] 213.106.38.225 (talk) 23:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After 2-day research it seems all scandals involving him were not found to be real, one or two even on court due to impact on his general public image and career. They were just magazine rumours seeking for attention and issue sales. It would be against Wikipedia principles to include all the rumours, just what would look like celebrity articles, wouldn't they have more text of false rumours then their career? That certainly would give a very distorted image of public figures. Not including them means they did not happen, otherwise could profoundly affect the Wikipedia reliability. Only if they did happen it could be considered for mention - but according Wikipedia principles WP:BLP and WP:FRINGEBLP.--Crovata (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Opportunities

This article was a little difficult to copyedit, as the biography section (the bulk of the article) reads like a singles discography in prose, many of the referencing articles are in Japanese, and his Japanese-language autobiography is often cited as the only source for early material, rather than being referenced in terms of the writing, critical reception and reviews. His autobiography would be more appropriately added into the personal life section, rather than being used in the early life section stating facts of his life. For the biography section, it would be appropriate to add critical reception, records broken, awards received, reviews of singles and albums, and also to mention themes of the albums. ~ JourneySarah (talk) 10:01, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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RIAJ claims

The article claims that some of his albums were certified gold by RIAJ, I marked them with citation needed as I manually browsed through the RIAJ database month by month (yes, seriously), and could not find them. I put references to those I did find. Maybe the database is not 100% correct and previously existing older pages might show this, but this is how far my Japanese reading ability with Google Translate takes me. I'd appreciate if a Japanese speaker could check upon these albums and their RIAJ certification. Thanks a lot. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 19:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see there was citation needed, January 2019 next to the RIAJ claims but you've gone ahead and deleted them entirely. Can you list which ones needed citation here? I saw Rebirth and Another World, were there others? Thanks, oncamera 21:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Oncamera: I included the link to the WikiProject discussion in the edit summary: [2] The whole thing is there. It seems that these do not have any official sources of certification, even if their sales numbers would justify the gold status. They are not on RIAJ websites and I also searched archive.org. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 22:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Teemeah: I see, I don't follow that WikiProject and it should be discussed on this talkpage anyway so that people following this page can follow along. You can then create a section on the Wikiproject asking for insight. oncamera 22:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Talk pages rarely get to the right people. Wikiprojects are designed as a hub for users who have the same interests. It is much more likely to get an answer there than here. :) Teemeah 편지 (letter) 23:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but you create the discussion here and then create a section with request for comments like I did on a different Wikiproject. That way it's archived here for future reference. oncamera 23:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, this could easily become at least a Good Article. I am currently translating this to Hungarian and thus combing through the text, so I correct what I find as I go, including broken links and poor grammar. Once done, this could be nominated for GA. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 22:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup and expansion

I'm done. @Oncamera: if you have anything else to add, please do so. This is going for FA in huwiki. Cheers. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 23:51, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look through the article later! Thank you for your edits and good luck with the hu-FA! oncamera 01:42, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Between 4 and 26 January, was made an extensive change of date format. I have reverted some of the information and I really don't care to edit the previous date format. The editor who nominated the article should correct that.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, whoever recently edited the article, please, in the future don't remove wikilinks from the article, especially not from the "Discography" section. They exist for a reason.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:41, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Miki Filigranski: All the dates were formatted to match since I wanted to nominate this article for Good Article. I didn't see any consistency in the date formatting when I went through to make all the references match, so I'm not sure where you're coming from that there was a dominate date format. Also the lead needs to include information covered in the article, which should include information in his early life section. Also, full dates are supposed to be used in section titles. If you want to change the date formating to the way you prefer, that doesn't bother me, but if you want to edit war over the change you made to make the references now inconsistent, I'm going to have to delist the nomination of Good article for this page. oncamera 17:00, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Oncamera: I didn't say anywhere it was dominant, only that I made a revert and someone, perhaps you, should fix the date format to current citation style. The lead wasn't written as it should be either. As well, the image which was in the "2012–2014" section was included for what reasoning? Per WP:IMGDD "Don't add images that are not relevant", and at MOS:PERTINENCE "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative...". What it has to do with the section's context?--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:07, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sincerely, the article revision wasn't in the state to be nominated for GA anyhow.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:14, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Miki Filigranski:I am not concerned with the removal of any images. The lead should cover information presented in the article, which includes early life. See Ayumi Hamasaki as an example. Also, you changed the date formatting of the references after they were consistent. There was no dominate style before I made the changes so I could list for Good Article nomination. If you want to change the date format of references, please go back and either revert your changes or go through all references so they are consistent. I will not edit war over it and will delist the article from GAN if you decide to leave it as it currently is. If you feel it is not GA status, please review the GA nomination and fail it with proper reasoning so the article can be improved. Cheers, oncamera 17:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Oncamera: You don't need to tell me about WP:LEAD. The old revision in the introduction, consisting of only one sentence, really didn't say much compared to a broader paragraph. The second paragraph pointlessly mentioned that in early life moved around cities, father's profession, where attended high school. No, I primarily reverted back the sections and their information. I really don't care about GA nomination, if you do care, then edit the reference style.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Miki Filigranski: if you don't care about improving an article so that it can reach Good Article and Featured Article status, then why edit Wikipedia? To have WP:OWNership of an article? That's not how it's supposed to work. oncamera 17:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please, this is becoming really irritating... Comment on content, not the editors. If you really care about improving the article to reach a better status, then per WP:BRD, try to understand why your "improving" was reverted and accordingly edit it.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Miki Filigranski: The dates were consistent. And now they are not because of your edits. Which one is an improvement? oncamera 17:48, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The dates are not the issue and reason I made the revert. Look, don't waste my time. I am going to make the edit you should have already made.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Oncamera: Done that. Is there anything else of your concern about content for discussion?--Miki Filigranski (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Miki Filigranski: Thanks for improving the article. The lead paragraphs are missing information from his early life section that you deemed as pointless, but is normally included in articles of quality. See Featured Articles such as Ayumi Hamasaki and Good Articles such as Nobuo Uematsu as examples. oncamera 18:49, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Per MOS:OPENPARABIO, the lead paragraph with only one sentence "Gakuto Oshiro (大城 ガクト Ōshiro Gakuto, born July 4, 1973), better known by his mononymous stage name Gackt, is a Japanese musician, singer, songwriter, record producer and actor" lacks notability. What I deemed pointless was over-detailed information for LEAD in general. Alright, will make a partial revert.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 11:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you remove the photo from the most recent section? I sepnt half an afternoon hunting CC licence videos on youtube to have a photo that matches the era. This article is really long and has really few photos in it! Teemeah 편지 (letter) 11:51, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Already explained above.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 11:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Teemeah: don't make WP:POINT revert, the reasoning was provided above. Please follow WP:BRD.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 12:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You are simply nitpicking and ruining other editors' work. This Wikipeda has become a rigid, lifeless hierarchical monarchy that seeks to limit spreading knowledge, which is pretty far from what this place used to be when I signed up 14 years ago. No wonder that many of my peers leave the English Wikipedia. Go on, keep citing irrelevant rules, and discard what others have worked on, because you deem that fit... I'm done with this place. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 12:34, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is it so hard to have a normal discussion about content? Is it really "irrelevant"? Can you give, simply, your rationale for inclusion of the image in the section? Having a short discussion doesn't imply the content won't be included, but it obviously won't if we have such a reaction. --Miki Filigranski (talk) 14:55, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of this whole discussion which resulted in many of the edits you made being reverted, perhaps you should look up MOS, examples of articles that have achieved quality status instead of having other editors who have worked on this page to prove why their improvements should stay. Per MOS:Images: Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. They are often an important illustrative aid to understanding. When possible, find better images and improve captions instead of simply removing poor or inappropriate ones, especially on pages with few visuals. However, not every article needs images, and too many can be distracting. First, the image of him performing on stage is relevant. The article has few images and it states to find better images and improve captions instead of simply removing them. Your rationale for removing it doesn't seem to be part of the MOS in comparison to why it should be included. Thanks for improving the article by restoring the image you removed. oncamera 15:36, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am asking again, how the image in question is relevant to the section's context and an "important illustrative aid to understanding"? The article body has 3 images, plus 2 music tracks, it's not like it has so few images as well as files.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:02, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I thought it was a different image in question. "File:Gackt 2013 RCTI.jpg" -- there are articles that include images based on the year they were taken. Also the image is from Indonesian telecast, which ties into his fame outside of Japan, considering he doesn't even live there as his primary residence anymore. The caption can be improved to reflect his international fame throughout Asia. Cheers, oncamera 16:18, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The image is related to "In November 2013, Gackt appeared as a guest-star in two episodes (21 & 22) of the Indonesian Tokusatsu series, Bima Satria Garuda, as "Noir", the mysterious "Bima Legend" Knight from Parallel World" and hence will include it there for now. Is there any RS about it which could be cited for "international fame throughout Asia"? The inclusion of the series acting role in music career section, as an exception, is a bit off. Instead, I advise you to search for photographs & videos in the period of 2010-2012 when he toured with a band Europe and Japan. There must be files uploaded by fans & whoever. --Miki Filigranski (talk) 13:54, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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