User talk:ElKevbo

MasterClass Revisions

Hello, I'm the Director of Communications at MasterClass, an online education company. Because you were involved in the Educational technology page and are involved in education, I'm writing to see if you can please review my proposed content I shared on the Talk page here. I have posted it for general review and am asking you to review it as I have a conflict of interest working for the company. Is this something you could please help me with?

Thank you. BethMasterClass (talk) 22:27, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Done. ElKevbo (talk) 01:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

YOUR MESSAGE BethMasterClass (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I really appreciate it. If you can, appreciate you watchlisting the page as well. Thank you

Joining WikiProject Universities?

Hi ElKevbo!

I notice that a lot of your work on Wikipedia relates to higher education, but that you're not currently listed as a participant of WikiProject Universities. Is this intentional, or would you be interested in joining? You can place {{User:UBX/WPUNI}} on your user page, or just add yourself directly here. - Sdkb (talk) 15:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Lenoir Rhyne University

Please stop vandalising our wiki page.. The guidelines are clear on majors and graduate programs and we adhere to those by wikipedia. So, please stop removing academic details. Those are far more important than who was our president in 1891, who graduated from the university and what sports we play. 69.132.104.25 (talk) 16:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)Dr. Bjarne Berg, professor

Please review WP:COI, WP:UNIGUIDE, and WP:NOTDIR. It's most important to note that it's not "your wiki page" but an article in a collaborative encyclopedia project. More importantly, you are strongly discouraged from editing article about topics where you might have a conflict of interest. ElKevbo (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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Typo?

Hello. I took a quick glance at your webpage and noticed that you 'hold a secondary faulty appointment'. I do hope you're able to have it repaired. I understand these things are quite difficult to return to the shop after you've had them for a while. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 11:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. It's still under warranty. :) ElKevbo (talk) 13:10, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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Northcentral University granted non-profit status by WASC in November 2018.

Go to WASC website and search Northcentral University. Then click on link titled "Structural change action letter, change of ownership November 2018". See section 2 in the last paragraph of page 1 Qcmrwu (talk) 18:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

That letter says the commission "Approve[s] the proposed Change of Control and Legal Status, through which Northcentral University will change its control to the National University System, and change to non-profit legal status as part of the transaction. Prior to the closing of the transaction, material changes in the proposed terms must be reported immediately to WSCUC to determine if further review or action is necessary [emphasis added]." The parts that I emphasized indicate that the commission will make these changes but had not done so when the letter was written. And the based on the Statement of Accreditation Status for Northcentral University the changes still haven't happened. ElKevbo (talk) 19:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

What?

You wrote re: article - University of Georgia - "Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. ElKevbo (talk) 10:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)" I do not perform any "vandalism" or "unconstructive" edits, and do not understand your unfriendly, unhelpful, adamantine, hard-nosed, and obnoxious comment. My edits may depend on other parts of an article, but are supported by citation(s) as part of the article. Apparently you have no life except to sit at a keyboard and be obnoxious and not be helpful in complete opposition to the ideals of wikipedia. It appears you have no ability to direct others except to attempt such through the Internet. Get a real life. If you continue on this path I must request we submit our differences to evaluation of an administrator (if you are one - someone higher up than you) and / or to arbitration. Please respect the talk page guidelines and try to be civil. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Again?

You typed, "Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. ElKevbo (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2019 (UTC)" Look up the word, "libel". How am I "disruptive" and how am I one to "vandalize?" You seem to enjoy statements without giving support. Reviewing your CV, sad. Try to speak entirely and directly. I believe a higher authority and / or arbitration is called for. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 12:43, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

You changed the university's latin name to "Univershitas Georgiae" and added nonsense to its motto. That's pretty clear vandalism. Clean it up and stop. ElKevbo (talk) 13:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

If you will look at the edits - I neither changed anything, nor added anything. Get your facts straight. Your statement appears to be an example of your ignorance. Also, your arrogance is sadly misplaced. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 14:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Here is where you mangled the motto and here is where you added profanity to the institution's latin name.

And cut out the personal attacks; they're not productive, they're not welcome, and they're liable to lead to you being blocked if you persist. ElKevbo (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I suggest you take your own advice re: personal attacks. See, personal attacks. In my view, your unseemly, horrid, unnecessary, and bizarre attacks are so far beyond Wikipedia's standards as to need quashing through a minimum of blocking, if not actionable libel as folks know me by my online name. If you disagree, let's start by taking your behavior to an administrator and see who gets blocked. As to your last attack: (1) I neither intentionally mangled anything (the “mangeling” is nonsensical), nor intentionally used "Univershitas" - all are merely errors, plus (2) Univershitas, regardless, is not a curse. Let me know when you will be willing to have your behavior evaluated by an administrator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quaerens-veritatem (talk • contribs) 02:42, June 4, 2019 (UTC)

Quaerens-veritatem, I suggest you read WP:BOOMERANG and WP:THREAT, because right now your driving yourself to that block.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 16:00, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Georgia

Do you really believe anyone with a modicum of knowledge or intelligence would confuse the University of Georgia (US) with the university in the former state of Georgia - specially after reading just the introductory sentence? Really? The idea is great for useless quibbling.Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 14:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I do think it's reasonable for readers, particularly those outside of the United States, to think that "University of Georgia" may refer to the country with that name. We have an international audience. ElKevbo (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

• Anyone that can read the article's English introduction will know immediately that a U.S. institution is the subject. Any other view assumes gross and unbelievable ignorance.Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 06:49, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

but if someone goes there who has not read the lede it is reasonable to point them to the one that might have looked for.Slatersteven (talk) 12:24, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

And it is standard practice. It is needed for access issues- screen readers are cited. It should be the first elements of the page, before any maintenance tags, infobox, or image. As has been done. The University of Georgia (Tbilisi) article could do with references! ClemRutter (talk) 17:42, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

City Vision University Revisions

Hi, I'm the President of City Vision University. We are a small nonprofit university that primarily serves staff at charities that serve the poor. As you can see from the page history, much of the content already on the page was added by our staff. I do not believe that because I am from the school, it should warrant reverting almost all the edits en mass as you just did. Because we are a small niche school, the reality is not a lot of people are adding content to our page other than those that you might consider to have a conflict of interest.

I appreciate the fact that you are investing a lot of effort as a wikipedia editor of colleges and universities. I can see how having clear factual information on schools could greatly benefit many students and help students sift through institutions to identify those providing the most value from those that might be exploitative. I believe that for you as an editor to take a broad brush to a small institution like ours by roll back changes en mass creates social harm, and works against the spirit of the intent of Wikipedia. Your roll back made a lot of the article incorrect and is not helpful.

I'm willing to have more granular dialog on specific changes if you believe that something specific I did violates Wikipedia's standards. For now, I'm reverting all your changes back. The intent is to have a more granular dialog.

I hope that you will cooperate with that approach. I myself am an MIT graduate and co-founded a research group with David D Clark, who is credited by many as one of the top 10 people helped to develop the Internet. I say that not to brag, but to explain that I believe in the values of Wikipedia, but I also will fight endlessly and pursue dispute resolution if you as an editor overstep your authority in ways that both hurt my institution and the common good as I believe you have.

Again, I get that it is very hard for you to edit so many higher education institution pages, and I'm sure it's a thankless job. So I appreciate what you are doing. If you can't be more granular in your edits, I would appreciate you giving more latitude to let us make edits to the page as we have over the past decade. Alsears (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Alsears: As the president of the university you absolutely should not be editing the article! Please review our COI guideline and FAQ for organizations. You're more than welcome to request edits in the article's Talk page but you should not be making those edits yourself unless you're sure that they're non-controversial. ElKevbo (talk) 21:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@ElKevbo:I get what you are saying if you want to operate like a robot and not use any discretion in interpretation. The reality is that more than 90% of the edits of schools as small as ours are made by staff for those schools. More than 90% of the past edits on our page were made by our staff. Please use a bit of common sense. I will escalate this dispute as necessary. I can't imagine why you would be putting so much effort into this unless you cared about the common good. It is not serving the common good being a Wikipedia bully to a small institution that is essentially serving the Mother Theresa's of the world. If you want to identify specific edits that are controversial, do that, but don't revert the whole thing.Alsears (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Give me a few more minutes, please; I'm writing out detailed explanations for all of my edits in the article's Talk page. ElKevbo (talk) 22:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

City Vision University Revisions

Could you clarify why you removed all the discussion on this talk page? I get that you understand Wikipedia's culture and rules better than I do, and I'm trying to comply. Having said that, all the notices that you've put on our page seem to just be trying to prove a point that you are more "powerful" that I am in the Wikipedia world.

Look man, I gave up a job doing Internet consulting for $200 an hour to train people working with addicts where I took almost a 10-fold pay cut. I'm trying to do the right thing here, and you are wrecking our organization's brand to prove a point. It's like you are driving a Mac Truck over Mother Theresa in your approach. Please tone it down, and try not to retaliate in your response.

If you put COI notices on every small nonprofit organization that had staff update their pages, then they would exist on more than 90% of the nonprofit pages on Wikipedia. It's important to be consistent in enforcing the rules.

Alsears (talk) 22:50, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I'll drop a note on your Talk page to clarify that we place new messages at the bottom of Talk pages; it's a helpful practice given the rather primitive nature of wiki software and its lack of support for threaded discussions.

I'm sorry but we're not here to help anyone support their "brand." And if we're inconsistent in enforcing our policies around conflicts of interest and paid editing then that's probably because we're a volunteer-run organization with many thousands of volunteers. Those policies have also evolved over time so if you look at practices from even a few years ago you'll probably find a lot of differences in what we do today.

Conflicts of interest and paid edits are massive problems for us and we're probably doing very bad jobs in many articles consistently helping new editors understand our policies. Please understand that many people are trying to actively abuse our project solely for their own commercial gain, often at the expense of any semblance of honesty or our core policies of neutrality.

For what it's worth, I think that many people have had reasonably good experiences when they make well-explained requests and suggestions in article Talk pages. We want our articles to be accurate and up-to-date and we genuinely appreciate any help we can get! But we have to also guard against people abusing this project, often in ways that are subtle. But if you refrain from editing your employer's article and make requests in Talk I think you'll get a fair shake. ElKevbo (talk) 22:58, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I get that you are not here to support any organization's brand, but I'm just asking that you don't wreck it just because I don't understand wikipedia's protocols. The reality is that we have 5 staff. If I didn't make edits to our page, then it would be hopelessly out of date and potential students would be misinformed. Right now, your reverts listed the wrong tuition. My updates previously listed what will be our tuition starting in August.

I also get that you must get treated like crap for trying to defend integrity on wikipedia. Having said that, there is the spirit of Wikipedia's rules and the letter of the law. If you follow the letter only, then our page would only have information that is 10 years out of date. I don't think that's serving the spirit of the rule. I get that I probably made too many edits before that put a positive spin on our school. I didn't realize that violated the rules (probably both spirit and letter), so I'm sorry for that.

What do I need to do to get the notices on our page removed? Since you reverting most everything, I don't see why it would be biased.

Also, I need to make edits so the article is not factually incorrect as it is now. How do I do that? We are not big enough to have a big "public" base that would be doing these edits for us.Alsears (talk) 23:09, 7 June 2019 (UTC)