Talk:Rust in Peace

"Holy Wars"

In all actuality the song begins with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and then briefly shifts to the Northern Ireland conflict before transferring to the Punisher story. --BlueGlowGuardian 03:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"Holy Wars" was written about the N. Ireland conflict, not Israel

The link at the bottom of the page, where there's a demonstration of how to play the holy wars riff, who ever put it there has some issues. the guy playing the riff is making some serious mistakes in the opening riff, and in the subsequent main riff that follows. either put in another, more appropriate demonstration, or take it off entirely. PLEASE! LyTe 20:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The demonstration of 'Holy Wars' is just totally wrong, it's like the guy has never even heard the song!!! Also, the lyrics to 'Holy Wars' mention Israel: 'Don't look now to Israel, it might be your homeland'.

• • Ok, I removed this link. It was an eyesore (more like an Earsore) and horridly wrong. LyTe 09:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you people ever even seen the music video for Holy Wars?? It is so clearly in the desert you would have to be on drugs to think its anywhere else. It is definatly about the Palestinian conflict with Israel, and nothing else. I am inclined to say that interview is just low-grade crap that is probably made up with a real Mustaine interview mixed in. Although, really anything is possible, cause why would someone try to glorify the IRA. The IRA are well.......this shouldn't be the page to discuss it on. -8/09 RATTMAN28

• have you even listened to the song? it does nothing of the sort! and the video has shots from the desert, yes. but also of dave skydiving. and news reels from around the world. and the band playing in a hangar without any shirts on. stop reading too much into things like Video clips. Dave mustaine was in Northern Ireland to preform with megadeth, and heard people are bootlegging megadeth T-Shirts for "the Cause". here's an excerpt from the interview (the song he preformed was Anarchy, btw):

Q: DO YOU EVER REGRET SAYING THINGS YOU SHOULDN'T? LIKE THAT TIME IN NORTHERN IRELAND YOU DEDICATED A SONG TO THE IRA?

Dave:"You know what? I don't regret that at all! Someone else told me what was going on and I was just repeating what I'd been told. All I knew was the way the guy explained it to me. I was backstage drinking Guinness - and remember I'm used to American beer - I've had a few of them and they're bootlegging T-shirts outside so I say, 'You've gotta stop that!'. The guy goes, 'Oh, that's for The Cause'. So I say, 'What's The Cause?'. This is how simply he explained it: he said The Cause is about prejudiced religion. The Catholics and the Protestants are fighting and one religion thinks it's better than the other religion. And I went, 'Well that's fucking stupid!'. By then we'd had some pot and vodka and probably a little blow and I went up onstage and when we played 'Anarchy [In The UK]' I said, This one's for The Cause!'. I woke up the next day in Dublin and no-one would talk to me! People were like, 'Don't you know what you did last night? We were taken out of town in a bulletproof bus!'. I had remorse for the fighting among the kids at the show, but I don't regret what I said."

yea i read that crap on that link, and its probably crap. I mean the thing is supposed to be translated from spanish (it says so on the bottom of it), and its about northern ireland, i mean come on its probably just BS. I think it should just be deleted altogether, the supposed contradictions i mean. Where did you even find that thing anyway?? And dude, with lyrics in the song about israel and the desert and everything...just stop trying to fool everyone into thinking this glorification about northern ireland's IRA is from Dave Mustaine. And some other fundamental points about it having nothing to do with the IRA.

Brother will kill brother Spilling blood across the land Killing for religion Something I don't understand

Fools like me, who cross the sea And come to foreign lands Ask the sheep, for their beliefs Do you kill on God's command?

A country that's divided Surely will not stand My past erased, no more disgrace No foolish naive stand

The end is near, it's crystal clear Part of the master plan Don't look now to Israel It might be in your homelands

Holy wars

Ok so theres the lyrics. Hmm, Killing for Religion? A, if i recall correctly, the IRA is trying to unite Ireland, regardless of being Protestant or Catholic. So how the hell could it possibly make sense to be about the IRA?? Well I think im just going to delete that section, its obviously BS, and if you dont see it oh well...

• • However though, this interview seems to make huge contradictions to the music video. The music video for Holy Wars clearly shows conflict in the desert. Also the people in it seem to appear to be much more middle eastern in appearence, and nothing like anyone from Northern Ireland or from the British Isles either. Also there is a distinctly Middle Eastern sounding lead line seperating Holy Wars and the Punishment due.

    when people start making their own thesis for what the video means, it turns around to bite them. infact, if you watch the video, it also features the band in an airplane hangar, so the song must also refer to people who work in hangars, right? besides, saying that the solo carries middle-eastern influence, thus deducting that the song is about Israel is more than childish. I happen to be an israeli, and I've read countless articles about this song, all pertaining to the Northern Ireland dispute, all denouncing that Israel has anything to do with the song, other than what mustaine wrote: "Don't look now to Israel, It might be your homeland". granted, Dave's lyric writing can be fairly complex at times, but this is as simple as it goes. this song can be reflected through so many conflicts, and yet the man himself said, in his words, what this song was orignally written about. using creative liscence on other peoples Ideas, no matter how "middle-eastern" the video looks (and actually, it also has some images from cambodia, korea, soldiers training et al), is really grating. this paragraph needs some editing, IMO.LyTe 07:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude, just forget about that stupid article, its obviously CRAP as mentioned above, and it really just doesn't belong as a source on wikipedia. and don't give me that bs about u being israeli, don't try to get people to think your one just to benefit your argument, that's weak dude. Your probably some Irish kid if anything trying to glorify the IRA's now defunct cause. Enough is enough, just forget about that stupid link and the bs spanish article from a really really piss poor source. and also, they were if anything, just putting war violence in the video to help exhibit the theme of the video. and when is the band in an airplane hangar? I really doubt u have seen the video more than once like ten years ago. they are jumping out of the plane on that headbangers ball megadeth special. and the solo more than anything sounds close to a mid east influence, marty would know how to pull that off easy. but to say its childish? wtf r u on? you would have to be an idiot to think this video isnt about the Arab Israeli conflict.

I bet who ever stuck that fake article in here is enjoying a good laugh watching you defending it, cause anyone with half a brain and with any prior knowledge to Megadeth will know that it was without any doubt is about the Arab Israeli Conflict. The consencous is that your wrong and that most of the people who have contributed to the discussion believe that it has nothing to do with Ireland.

THE SONG HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH NORTHERN IRELAND, END OF STORY DAMMIT!!!!

Vocals for Rust In Peace/Polaris

I picked up the remaster of Rust in Peace a few days ago, and I am seriously wondering if the vocals for "Rust In Peace...Polaris" are the original vocals or not. I knew beforehand about the issues with the other songs that Dave had to re-work, but when I listen to the remastered RIP/P, there are nuances to the enunciations and pacing that I don't remember hearing in the original release. Did Dave have to do some tinkering with this song as well as the others, or did the re-master do such a good job of cleaning up his vocal track that it makes it sound brand new? Willbyr 18:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

• I think I read somewhere that dave mentioned that when he came to the studio to remaster "rip", he found out that all the vocal tracks and some of the guitar tracks are gone, so he had to redo them all over again. hence the changes in pace and intonations. LyTe 20:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Links to pages with song lyrics

Is it permissible to post links to pages with song lyrics? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 02:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Not if they're copyright violations (most online sources are). If they're listed on megadeth.com or some official site, that might be okay. -- nae'blis 19:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)