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Non notable as an event, should be included within main event page of the protests?   Kadzi   (talk) 08:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions.   Kadzi   (talk) 08:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.   Kadzi   (talk) 08:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge to protests article, not notable. This isn't a news site. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:12, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• merge per above. As appalling as this incident was, it's only a paragraph in the larger story.Mangoe (talk) 13:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete or Redirect Seems highly trivial even know this type of story will annoy loads of people. Govvy (talk) 13:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete without leaving a redirect and merge any useful content to an appropriate article. WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RECENTISM. Mangoe is right that this is just part of the larger story, and not a story on its own. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Merge: Not quite noteworthy enough for a separate article. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 17:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Merge, not independently notable. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Page has been merged to George Floyd protests in Washington, D.C. Reywas92^Talk 19:43, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per Muboshgu. Love of Corey (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Comment the problem with news, is that it develops, and while 30 seconds later, nothing is notable ... things change. Now that Trump has been denounced by both the Anglican Bishop of Washington, and the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Washington (in the name of Pope John Paul II for the June 1 (and now June 2) visits), has this since become independently notable? I added two references to the article. Nfitz (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep, but rename and rewrite. No merge.. This is a notable event. However, it is not really about using the Bible, but about the Photo op session by Donald Trump. Or maybe it should be something like 2020 St. John's Church incident (someone already created it in talk page space). To make the session he ordered to attack people who demonstrated peacefully in DC. That must be emphasized here, although the misuse of the Bible to justify evil actions is also notable. My very best wishes (talk) 20:49, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

So, here is the actual story as described in sources [1]. "The President of the United States delivered a speech about the need to "dominate" the streets in the wake of protests that have arisen following the death of George Floyd, a black man who was held down and killed while in Minneapolis police custody. Then the President, in a transparent attempt to push back on the storyline that he had to be whisked to a bunker below the White House to protect him from protesters in DC last Friday [2], strolled across H Street to St. John's Church and held a Bible aloft shortly after police had forcefully cleared peaceful protesters from Lafayette Park." My very best wishes (talk) 00:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge with George Floyd protests as a non-independently notable subject at best. This is footnote-worthy at best. --letcreate123 (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Changing vote to Keep in light of the numerous coverage that the subject has received independently of the George Floyd incident, and the fact that the article has since been expanded to include this coverage. IMO, this was a case of WP:TOOSOON for the article to have been created, but it now meets general notability guidelines. --letcreate123 (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep content somewhere. It's relevant content, and should either be part of its own page on the controversial photo op, or merge the content to the "George Floyd protests in Washington, D.C." article. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep and move -- to Photo op sessions by Donald Trump (plural now, two different religious institutions) or something more specific. I would have agree with the deletion yesterday--but the continung news suggests to me that this might well be a major issue. abovee.it's a bad title anyway, because the controversy is about his using the church, not specifically about his holding up the bible. DGG ( talk ) 00:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Donald Trump photo op sessions controversy, perhaps, unless you want to bring every photo op he's done into scope. There's likely thousands of verifiable ones. —Cryptic 00:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    • "Photo-op" may be perceived as editorializing the event. While it was inarguably a photo-op, it also may have represented something much more significant to Trump. We should remain objective and not include that phrase in the title. The topic also more broadly covers law enforcement actions separate from the actual photo op. - Wikmoz (talk) 01:15, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• There's a considerable expansion of this subject currently outlined at Talk:George Floyd protests#2020 St. John's Church incident. It very plainly meets the WP:GNG, if you're into that. —Cryptic 00:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep and rename This topic has been merged with an expanded draft on the same topic. Please see the revised content. I'd propose 2020 St. John's Church incident as a new name for the topic as the event relates to actions well beyond Trump holding up a bible. - Wikmoz (talk) 01:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is much better now. No doubts, this event deserves separate page. A significant part of this is the calling for military intervention by Trump. Trudeau dodged the question about it [3]. Biden criticized it [4], etc. My very best wishes (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• Keep but rename given recent additions to the article. ɱ (talk) 01:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep Clearly notable on its on, as it was a unique event within a larger event. Plus, there is enough content that it clearly be a sub article of George Floyd protests.Casprings (talk) 01:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep and rename Historians are saying this could be one of the most iconic moments of Donald Trump's presidency. I would suggest changing the name to Donald Trump visit to St. John The lorax (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Agree I like Donald Trump visit to St. John Church as a new title. It descriptive and non-editorialized. - Wikmoz (talk) 02:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep but rename Since the photo op was in response to the fire the night before, and since the events surrounding the photo op were significant, I propose changing the name of the article to 2020 St. John's Church fire, with the photo op being a section of the article.Bartholomite (talk) 02:34, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep under Donald Trump visit to St. John Church or similarly neutral name. Feoffer (talk) 02:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep as named Donald Trump visit to St. John's Church. Responses from Joe Biden and the Australian government launching an investigation into the treatment of the Channel 7 news reporters give further validity/further content for the article. — IVORK _Talk 03:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Keep Numerous reliable sources worldwide are devoting significant coverage to this particular event, and it seems quite clear that historians will describe this as a very significant episode in Trump's presidency. This article needs normal editing as time goes by, not deletion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Nerge! It is not very significant, and most of the outrage comes from the protests. It should be merged into the main article. RBolton123 (talk) 03:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)