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New algorithm for unanswered PRs?

Instead of the algorithm detecting the next edit after the page's creation, could we make it so that the algorithm detects when a user other than the person who created the page edits it? That way we wouldn't need the small box on the WP:PR/UA page. I'm not necessarily a tech person, so this might not be possible, but let me know if there are any other suggestions or queries. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 09:51, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, that is a good idea. Sadly that's beyond me (I created the current script). Currently the script does a simple calculation that doesn't take into account the editor. Maybe ask at the village pump? --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:21, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

MoS RfC on tense for describing periodicals

There is a MoS RfC that editors here may be interested in, about whether to use "is" or "was" to describe periodicals that are no longer being published. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Slight issue arising from above

As a consequence of the above, it has turned out that some peer reviews have never been actually opened (by which I mean the initial "Please select a topic" template has remained on some talk pages for years (see eg. here Special:Permalink/919439770). I've requested a bot to help remove any of these unopened requests: Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Bot_to_fix_up_some_blank_peer_reviews. Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:51, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Alas, we have been advised to do this manually. Here we go... --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I happened to see this and removed about 20 of them from the list of 'pages that link to "Template:Peer review"'. There are some I wasn't sure about; I've left those for you. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 11:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

(Oops, forgot to ping you: Tom (LT). BlackcurrantTea (talk) 11:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC))

@BlackcurrantTea this is waaaayy overdue but, thank you for your earlier edits :). --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:33, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Mullum Malarum/archive2

Can someone please close this PR? I had opened it because I wanted help in identifying and clearing "problems" pointed out by Fowler&fowler before taking the article to FAC for the fifth time. Now that I've cancelled all future FAC plans, there's no reason to keep the PR open. --Kailash29792 (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. Sorry to hear your experience was below what you were expecting. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Automatic closure script

Some here may be aware there's a script to automate the process of closing a review. Now, for most reviews you just need to click a button (hurray!)

Developed by User:WritKeeper, to whom we are all very thankful (!!), there is a script to help automate closing peer reviews. To use the script:

• Copy importScript('User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/peerReviewCloser.js'); into your Special:MyPage/common.js
• When you view a review, click on the tab that says "More" and then "Close peer review". The tab can be found near the "History" tab

I've added it to the list of tools here: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Tools#Closure_script. Cheers, --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Redirected pages

When closing some reviews, I've noticed that the articles have moved and so the peer review is not linked anymore. Because of the way peer reviews are stored (which is in the Wikipedia:Peer review namespace) rather than as subpages of articles, over time a lot of these reviews are going to be lost or disconnected from their articles. Contrast Wikipedia:Peer review/Blond Ambition World Tour Live/archive1 (in our namespace) to Talk:Thymus/GA1 (a good article review in the article's namespace).

I'm going to explore whether it's possible for reviews to be within an article's namespace (ie Article/PR1) rather than in our namespace. That way they can be subpages of articles and (1) move along with articles, as well as (2) retain functional links from the talk pages. Otherwise parts of article histories will become lost :(.

From previously exploring our namespace (see the tools subpage - technical details), I think this would be quite achievable. In general the domains that I'll need to look at will be - will this work with templates, what aspects of templates will need to be updated, will this break the autogenerated lists (unlikely as these are generated from categories), will the bot need to change (unlikely as it is based on categories), will this break our archives (also unlikely as these are generated from plain text previously, and categories now), will anything else need to change (yes - Writ Keeper's wonderful closing script will probably eventually need updating) and how will we move old peer reviews to subpages of articles (likely to require a bot request). I won't actually do anything but I do want to explore this for the reasons above.

I'll keep you all updated and have a more concrete proposal later this year, or maybe next year depending on my glacial editing style.

Any thoughts on this from other editors? --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Don't Start Now

I have been advised to put this here. I made some comments for the peer review of the Dua Lipa song - Don't Start Now. However it appears that the user who started the peer review has since retired for Wikipedia. If nobody is wishing to take the article and peer review on, then the review can be closed. Wna247 (talk) 14:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Because nobody WP:OWN's an article, my feeling is to let this review remain open for the normal time period, then close if after a few weeks. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. I had advised opening a thread about this on the "Don't Start Now" peer review as I have never seen a case like this one. I agree that since the peer review is already open, it would be a good time to encourage other editors to improve the article further. Aoba47 (talk) 20:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/FC Bayern Munich/archive2

Hi it has been over a month since I requested a peer review for this article and it still hasn't appeared on the unanswered list. Why? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:12, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

• @REDMAN 2019. Second sentence on the unanswered page: Because of this, this list won't identify reviews which have been subsequently edited by their requester. Though such reviews are still displayed in full on the peer review main page, peer reviews that haven't been reviewed and aren't listed here can be added to Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog/items. Your review was edited so it didn't appear. That's just how the list is coded unfortunately (it displays reviews that haven't been edited at all since they were created, as these are definitively unanswered). I see you also removed your review from the backlog list. Unfortunately, reviews sometimes linger for quite some time, as we just don't have that many reviewers around. Apart from adding your review to the backlog list, I recommend directly asking some people to review your article - potentially contacting some FA regulars who have reviewed similar articles, or maybe posting at Wikipedia talk:Featured articles. Good luck! --Tom (LT) (talk) 11:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks I didn't realise that it did that when I edited it. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Peer Review newsletter

Depiction by Raphael of Aristotle in the School of Athens receiving some useful feedback during an active peer review

Hello to all! This is the second Wikipedia Peer Review newsletter, containing some updates relating to peer review since the initial newsletter in August 2018. I intend these as infrequent newsletters that can be used to interact with interested editors and also let people know about relevant changes.

Thanks again to everyone who has been responding and helping out at peer review, it's great to see the venue so active.

I value feedback, and if you think I've missed something, want to include something in the next newsletter, wish to receive these, or don't wish to receive this again, please leave a note on my talk page, or add / remove your name from the mailing list.

Yours, --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

What's new?

New closure script

There's a new script you can use to automate the process of closing a review. Now, for most reviews you just need to click a button (hurray!)

Developed by User:WritKeeper, to whom we are all very thankful, there is a script to help automate closing peer reviews. To use the script:

• Copy importScript('User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/peerReviewCloser.js'); into your Special:MyPage/common.js
• When you view a review, click on the tab that says "More" and then "Close peer review". The tab can be found near the "History" tab

I've added it to the list of tools here: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Tools#Closure_script

Volunteers list contacts

Editors can now choose to be contacted periodically by User:KadaneBot with unanswered peer reviews in specific topic areas. If you'd like to be contacted, please visit the volunteers page and update your preferences

Peer reviews on "Article alerts"

If you're a member of a WikiProject, you may have noticed peer reviews getting included in the article alerts lists, which is sure to enhance our subject-specific visibility.

How can I contribute?

1. Answer some reviews! A list of unanswered reviews is here: (WP:PRWAITING)
2. Add yourself to the volunteers list, and receive regular updates about unanswered reviews here: (WP:PRV)
3. Or, if you only want one request a blue moon, Click "watch" on the list of items that somehow missed getting added to the unanswered list (here). Sometimes, these reviews linger for months!!

This has been transcluded to the talk pages of all active WikiProject Peer Review users. To opt-out, leave a message on the talkpage of Tom (LT) or remove your name from the mailing list

Changes to review closure - specifics

On further exploration (please see tools to get an idea of how complicated this process is under the hood), I would like to make a couple of changes, with the view in general to make things a bit simpler, easier to maintain in the future, and future proof article moves. The specific changes I plan to make are:

To the article page

• OLD: On the article's talk page, an editor replaces {{Peer review}} with {{Old peer review|archive = N}}. This changes the statement on the talk page to tell other editors and readers the peer review is closed. It also adds the talk page to Category:Old requests for peer review.
• PLANNED: On the article's talk page, an editor replaces {{Peer review request}} with {{subst:Close peer review request|archive = N}} (based on User:Tom (LT)/sandbox/Close peer review request). This updates the talk page to show the review as closed. It also automatically adds the date the review was closed, and the name of the article that was reviewed, in case it is moved later. An editor can insert the ID of the page for tracking the reviewed version if they wish. The article is added automatically to Category:Closed peer review requests.
  •  Done On the article's talk page, an editor replaces {{Peer review}} with {{subst:Close peer review|archive = N}}. This updates the talk page to show the review as closed. It also automatically adds the date the review was closed, and the name of the article that was reviewed, in case it is moved later. An editor can insert the ID of the page for tracking the reviewed version if they wish. The article is added automatically to Category:Old requests for peer review This has been updated. Additionally, I have reconsidered the additional changes to names, as I feel there is a risk of an excessive amount of disruption for something for which there isn't a clear problem. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

To the peer review page

• OLD: On the peer review page, the editor replaces {{Peer review page|topic = X}} with {{subst:Peer review/archive}}. This removes the review from the category of active reviews of a topic, and adds it to a category formatted "Month Year peer reviews" (eg. Category:March 2015 peer reviews)
• PLANNED: On the peer review page, the editor replaces {{Open peer review|topic = X}} {{Peer review page|topic = X}} with {{Closed peer review}}{{Closed peer review page}}. This removes the review from the category of active reviews of a topic, and displays a message that the review is closed. The category function will be removed. Instead, all peer reviews will be added at the time of creation to a month of submission category via {{subst:Peer review/subst}}, such as Category:March 2015 peer reviews)

I'll also update relevant documentation pages including: instructions, tools, the relevant template documentation pages (Template:Peer review/archive/doc and Template:Peer review/doc), and see if Writ Keeper could kindly update the closure script.

Reasons for these changes:

1. Standardise terms:
   • Describe a review as "Open" or "Closed", because "Current" and "Old" are confusing terms as an open review may be old, etc.
   • Clarify terms. Use peer review request on the article's talk page, and peer review on the actual review page  Not done In retrospect, I think there is insufficient evidence this is a problem and that this change is needlessly disruptive. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
2. Prevent the increasingly large problem of article moves breaking PR links
3. Add some helpful information to PR closures; particularly:
   • the date they were closed, which will be useful to future editors.  Done Parameter added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
   • the ability to include the ID of the reviewed page, so that the reviewed version can be linked to if desired  Done Parameter added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
   • the ability to link to the entire review page, so that old links aren't broken  Done Parameter added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
4. On peer review pages, change the closing template to be WP:TRANSCLUDEd instead of being substituted. This way, a single consistent closing message can be displayed - currently it's substituted on each page individually, so may change over time.  Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 11:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
5. On the peer review pages, change how the review is archived, by moving this to {{subst:Peer review/subst}}, which is created alongside the review. This is because this template already does a lot of the heavy work, and I think it's simpler for future maintenance to have all this work done on the one template.  Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 11:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
6. Update instructions page and documentation  Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 11:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

These are just planned changes - will probably implement over the next week or two. Ping to CapnZapp based on discussion above, and WritKeeper as a heads up. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if there are actually any watchers, but I have updated progress here, and cancelled some needlessly disruptive changes I had proposed. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Feedback and problems

Done! I am, for the most part, done. That was exceptionally complex. I have tried to simplify the process and improve documentation. I have tried to thoroughly test the changes I've made. Please comment below if there are problems. --Tom (LT) (talk) 11:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Changes to peer review closure

Hi all! There are 655 peer reviews with broken links, probably because of page moves (Category:Pages_using_Template:Old_peer_review_with_broken_archive_link)

Per comment by CapnZapp at Template talk:Old peer review, I am planning to make a slight change to the way peer reviews are closed, by changing the final template to a substituted form. The instructions will change:

Old

1. On the article's talk page, replace the {{Peer review}} tag on the article's talk page with {{Old peer review|archive = N}}, where N is the number of the peer review discussion page above (e.g. 1 for /archive1).

New

1. On the article's talk page, replace the {{Peer review}} tag on the article's talk page with {{subst:Close peer review|archive = N}}, where N is the number of the peer review discussion page above (e.g. 1 for /archive1).

• This will automatically generate something on the talk pages like: {{Old peer review|archivelink=Article title|date=30 August 2020|archive=N}}

This will benefit reviews because the closed review can have some parameters automatically recorded against it - including the name of the article at the time the review was closed, and the date the review was closed. I've tried, but unfortunately I'm informed there's no way to record the specific ID of the reviewed page (which would have been great, because then the reviewed version of the page could have been linked to). I think the change to substituting is the easiest way to ensure things like the page name and date are recorded, rather than relying on editors doing it automatically. If there's no objections I'll implement it in two weeks or so. Thoughts or comments? --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you really mean to change the template name (or invoke a new template)? (Just curious if "Close peer review" was a typo) CapnZapp (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Not a typo. To make things simple, {{Old peer review}} won't change on existing articles. However to create that template on talk pages that automatically has those parameters, I have to use a differently-named template that is substituted. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you'll update {{Old peer review}}'s documentation to ask users to use your new template instead,   CapnZapp (talk) 05:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Implemented. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Guidelines also updated. I will monitor the peer review closures. This small change should prove very useful, as in the future I hope to automatically add a link to the reviewed page, and further details can be added as required.--Tom (LT) (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done. A link to the article is now provided when a review is closed. The link is to the state of the article at the time the review was closed, which I think is still useful for future editors. I can't get it to insert the link to the original article at the time the review was requested.--Tom (LT) (talk) 23:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Backlog stretching to June

Hi all, we have a backlog that was dating back to June (Wikipedia:Peer reviews by date). If anyone has time could you have a look and respond to some requests - let's try and bring the backlog to August. I've responded to, closed, or updated through until mid July. Thanks! --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Have tried to update through September. Pre - FA reviews are still a problem - see thread below for my proposal regarding this. --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Peer review tools down (for about 5 years?!)

Template:Peer review tools has previously contained some external links which from my understanding have been down for abound five years. I guess it goes to show how little they have been used.

I've inserted a link to the manual of style and a copyright check link. Please let me know what you think. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

User:SDZeroBot/Peer reviews

Just set up this page – it lists every current PR candidate with the short description and an excerpt from the article. Let me know what you think. Does this seem fit for transcluding from one of the main project pages such as Wikipedia:Peer_review/Current – the kind of list that's currently there seems not as useful. – SD0001 (talk) 21:15, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@SD0001 that's great! I'd support moving it to "Current", as the current page there is not useful and, also, seems to duplicate Wikipedia:Peer review/List of active reviews. One thing I'd like beforehand is some sort of guarantee about how the bot will remain active. We've had two previous bots at this venue that have burned out and it is a lot of hassle whent hat happens. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

This bot has been maintaining similar lists such as WP:NPPSORT and WP:AFCSORT (both highly trafficked) for some time now so you don't have to worry about that. This task is actually very light because of the very small number of pages. – SD0001 (talk) 07:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Secondly please note I am going to make some changes above to the process which may impact on your bot when I make them. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

No problem. If/when the bot starts giving weird output, just drop me a ping and I'll fix it. – SD0001 (talk) 07:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposed bot task 1: automatically remove incomplete PR requests

It would be great to have an additional bot around too!!! If we could automate some repetitive manual tasks that would be super useful. One task that would be non controversial that I can think of off the bat would be to identify articles that you mark as "[No PR page was created]" and automatically remove the {{Peer review}} from their talk page if that talk page hasn't been edited in the last week (where it's likely the requesting editor has forgotten about it). --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. However, I'll need a BRFA approval to edit outside userspace, so if there are more such tasks please make a list and I'll look into it. BTW, are there any other bots involved here other than AnomieBOT? – SD0001 (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

That would be great. Please ping me with the request so I can contribute. Yes, KadaneBot delivered volunteer requests for some time before they became inactive. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@SD0001 to make it easier for our planned bot, I've tweaked template code. All reviews that haven't been started are contained within this category: Category:Unopened requests for peer review ( 0 ). --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposed bot task 2: close inactive reviews

@SD0001 there is another task your bot could take on. It used to be done by User:PeerReviewBot. That task is to automatically close peer review requests based on these criteria:

• It has not been edited in 21 days. Edits that are marked "minor" or that were made by PeerReviewBot are ignored in counting the number of days.
• It is over 30 days old and has no comments in 2 days, ignoring minor edits and PeerReviewBot's own edits.
• The article has since been nominated for FA, FA or FL status

Please ping me if you're interested in helping out. We really need some extra help around here. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposed bot task 3: Fix broken links

I also posted at bot requests but a single bot run to fix broken links over the last 15 years would be very useful (Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Bot_to_fix_broken_peer_review_links). --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Unanswered peer reviews list

On unanswered list there is a template that a review can be added to if it's missing from that list. This is usually because an editor has changed their peer review request and the unanswered list only displays reviews that are completely unedited.

The old list was difficult to maintain, because of a complicated inclusion / transclusion structure that was often broken due to formatting errors. I have updated the template using a sidebar instead, and updated all the previous instances as well. Full changes made are:

• Created Template:Peer review/Unanswered peer reviews sidebar
• Redirected Wikipedia:Peer review/PRbox and Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog/items there.
• Redirected Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog to WP:PRWAITING
• Created Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Peer review/Unanswered peer reviews sidebar to display when someone is editing the sidebar
• Updated the text on the unanswered list

Using standard formats like a sidebar and minimising the use of noinclude/includes should make this much easier to maintain and use going forward.

Please let me know what you think. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:51, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I like that a lot Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)