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*'''Comment'''. Unlike other elections in Western countries, what will make this the most newsworthy will be the disputes about the results. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 07:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Comment'''. Unlike other elections in Western countries, what will make this the most newsworthy will be the disputes about the results. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 07:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
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*:What does that have to do with this nomination? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Hands! Face! Space!!!!]])</small> 07:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
*:What does that have to do with this nomination? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Hands! Face! Space!!!!]])</small> 07:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Wait till polls open in Hawaii and Alaska or close in Kentucky''' - I am inclined |
*'''Wait till polls open in Hawaii and Alaska or close in Kentucky''' - I am inclined towards opposing the blurb due to tradition (if we can call it that) but I also support it due to the fact that this could be the most important election in 60 years and will be highly contested. So I suppose we could compromise (unless there is some Wikipedia rule against this blurb). *prays that the better candidate (not Trump) wins in a landslide* [[Special:Contributions/45.251.33.20|45.251.33.20]] ([[User talk:45.251.33.20|talk]]) 08:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC) |
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2020 United States elections
Blurb: Elections are held in the United States for president and numerous other national, state, and local offices. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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- Nominated by Sdkb (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I realize that our traditional approach is to wait for results before updating ITN, so I hope I'm not jumping the gun by posting this, but I think the U.S. election is a significant enough event to warrant a main page appearance even before the results are known, and in the spirit of WP:The deadline is now, I think we'd be justified in posting an item as soon as the earliest day-of polls open (I believe in Vermont at 5am Eastern time, in about three hours). Once the results are known, we will of course replace the item with one describing the results. This is clearly an event of global significance that is already "in the news" by any reasonable definition of the phrase, and that very many readers will be looking to learn about. They will be better served if we add the blurb at 5am than if we cling to past precedent and wait until results are announced. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 06:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: There is some further discussion at Wikipedia talk:In the news#How are we going to deal with the US presidential election?. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm relatively new to ITN so perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see what the point is of posting about the U.S. elections before polls close. There is a real chance that there will not be a winner declared on election night and may not be declared for several days, which is something we should prepare a blurb for, but just posting that elections are ongoing when results will be coming in just hours later doesn't seem noteworthy or worth posting. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 06:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose In all elections, the results are published on ITN, not the holding of the same. You can wait. Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- I've presented an argument above against a past precedent that I believe is not serving readers. There are presumably some valid arguments to be made in its defense, but those should be presented here, rather than just dismissing the nom "because that's the way it is". {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- You must normalize American elections. In the discussion you mentioned, the users, I imagine most of them must be American, they make that very clear: as blurb must be cited the victory of the candidate, whoever he may be, only this.Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- I've presented an argument above against a past precedent that I believe is not serving readers. There are presumably some valid arguments to be made in its defense, but those should be presented here, rather than just dismissing the nom "because that's the way it is". {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Personally, I support this, thought I think the election for the president should be singled out in the blurb, as that is the election that is in the news across the world, not some local elections or a referendum about marijuana — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoronaOneLove (talk • contribs) 07:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support, it's likely going to be a huge news story with Trump having recruited an army of lawyers to try to stop mail-in ballots from being counted after election day. Count Iblis (talk) 07:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose until the results come in. There's no need to go against what used to be a long-standing practice in the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:49, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose absolutely no need to do this, just because it's the US elections. If we do it for this one, we should do it for every general election around the world. Pointless. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Unlike other elections in Western countries, what will make this the most newsworthy will be the disputes about the results. Count Iblis (talk) 07:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- What does that have to do with this nomination? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Wait till polls open in Hawaii and Alaska or close in Kentucky - I am inclined towards opposing the blurb due to tradition (if we can call it that) but I also support it due to the fact that this could be the most important election in 60 years and will be highly contested. So I suppose we could compromise (unless there is some Wikipedia rule against this blurb). *prays that the better candidate (not Trump) wins in a landslide* 45.251.33.20 (talk) 08:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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T. N. Krishnan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu First Post
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- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Created by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Carnatic music violinist. Padma Shri and Padma Bhushan awardee. Article can do with some edits. Edits done. Article meets hygiene standards for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 06:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
2020 Kabul University attack
Blurb: Three gunmen kill at least 22 people and wound 22 others at Kabul University's campus, Afghanistan. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC) (Al Jazeera)
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionEstar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Someone cancel the year 2020. ArionEstar (talk) 23:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Like the story below, this one is well referenced, though short it is well above stub level and does appear to faithful cover what is known at this point. News sources are covering the story. I see no reason to hold it off the main page. --Jayron32 00:24, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support This seems to be fully "complete" (the full extent of what happened is known) , and while still short, seems sourced and ready to go in contrast to the lingering issues over the Vienna attack at the time I'm writing this. --Masem (t) 00:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article is a bit on the short side but manageable. Would benefit from noting what happened to the attackers (were they killed etc), but this is about as good as it gets for a Kabul terrorist attack. Juxlos (talk) 00:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Mentions in the lead "The three gunmen were later killed during a fight with security forces". --Masem (t) 00:41, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Article is sufficient to post Sherenk1 (talk) 02:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose People are killed in Afghanistan all the time. Just look at the Portal/Current Events for the last few days This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support if article can be extended further (if there is more coverage) - this is a major terrorist attack in a university (which most of us would expect to be safer). 45.251.33.20 (talk) 03:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Attribution is murky. Infobox states clearly that this was a specific branch of ISIS. Article states that, an NGO based in Maryland states that, it was ISIS generally. Goes on to say that a member of Afghan government attributes it to the Taliban. Both ISIS and Taliban are pretty vocal with their claims. Seems odd we have to rely on second or third parties to get a claim of responsibility.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
2020 Vienna attacks
Blurb: Armed attacks in Vienna, Austria, leave at least two people dead and several injured. (Post)
News source(s): Times of Israel, Haaretz, Daily Express, Reuters
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Solavirum (talk · give credit)
--► Sincerely: SolaVirum 20:39, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Overwhelming support another anti-Semitic attack, most likely another Islamist attack in Europe. Since we didn't post the previous attacks from the past month, we have to post this one. CoronaOneLove (talk) 20:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Austria’s Jewish community said on Twitter that it was not clear whether the synagogue or adjoining offices were targets of the shooting as they were closed at the time of the incident per Al Jazeera. So, we're not here to presume any anti-Semitic or Islamist motive. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 20:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- >Per Aljazeera Yeah, into the trash goes your source. Read up on the Qatari support of Wahhabist movements 1980s-2010s. --CoronaOneLove (talk) 20:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Avoid that tone. Here's a BBC coverage quoting the same guy. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 21:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- I've read most the al jazeera wiki page and agree with Solavirum that al jazeera is mostly fine as a source, not as reliable if they are talking about qatari issues however--Annemaricole (talk) 23:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- >Per Aljazeera Yeah, into the trash goes your source. Read up on the Qatari support of Wahhabist movements 1980s-2010s. --CoronaOneLove (talk) 20:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Austria’s Jewish community said on Twitter that it was not clear whether the synagogue or adjoining offices were targets of the shooting as they were closed at the time of the incident per Al Jazeera. So, we're not here to presume any anti-Semitic or Islamist motive. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 20:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment also added another blurb.
- Support, an important developement. —-(nob) (talk) 20:51, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Wait I am not seeing anywhere in sources or in the article where this is being called as an Islamist attack (though that it was centered on the Jewish synagogue is the clear leap of logic for the claim). Details are still developing, and while even if it is not terror related, this is still probably worthy of being posted as an ITN story. --Masem (t) 20:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Wait Stub. There are six references used that have the word "synagogue" in their titles, but the article does not yet contain the word. It needs to be expanded. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Yep, big news. Another islamist (?) attack in Europe This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support A terrorist attack with multiple fatalities is the sort of news story that gets a lot of international coverage and interest. Llewee (talk) 21:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- I’m going to post this. Jehochman Talk 22:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Why would you do that without consensus? Are you "supervoting" because you're an admin? Genuine question. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- At the time that you posted it, the article was claiming that there were eight deaths and a suicide bombing. With all due respect, wtf were you thinking? Thank goodness it was pulled. Mlb96 (talk) 01:48, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment we don't even have an article for the brutal stabbing of two Muslim women at the Eiffel tower by demented rightists, not sure why this is important. Seems Europe has discovered racism, and the violence has become routine. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- If this is true, i will back you in creating an article--Annemaricole (talk) 23:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Wait Developing. TompaDompa (talk) 22:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Too late, routine violence in Europe posted in 90 minutes. I'm sure no one will be frothing at the mouth shrieking about "bias" or demeaning a "minimum wait" either - that honor is reserved for other countries. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:14, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Wrong, I vehemently disagree with the premature posting by an American admin. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- (and I guess you mean "demanding" rather than "demeaning", right? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC))
- What the does my nationality have to do with it. Your comment is repulsive. Jehochman Talk 04:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was on my phone. Nice catch and thanks. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- No, what was repulsive was the supervote and abuse of the main page, posting erroneous material with no consensus to do so. Get a grip. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Too late, routine violence in Europe posted in 90 minutes. I'm sure no one will be frothing at the mouth shrieking about "bias" or demeaning a "minimum wait" either - that honor is reserved for other countries. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:14, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- I am pulling this for the time being, the sources are too conflicting to have an accurate blurb. Wait an hour or so until things get clear. --Tone 22:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Biggest terror attack in europe since 2015. Gex4pls (talk) 22:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Has fatalities. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 22:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Terror-related and fatalities. BabbaQ (talk) 22:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose BBC is currently reporting one confirmed death as is the article. WAIT. That this was posted nearly an hour ago is absolutely appalling. Thank goodness someone saw sense and pulled it until we have the facts. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support but wait. Tone was correct to pull since the information from various sources at the moment is too confusing and contradictory, and it's not even entirely clear if the event itself has concluded or is still in progress. Hopefully in a few hours a more definitive picture will emerge. However, this was a major coordinated pre-planned terrorist attack involving multiple perpetrators, multiple locations and multiple fatalities. Even from what's known already, definitely blurb worthy. Nsk92 (talk) 23:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Conditional support major attack under large news coverage. Vienna isn't exactly known for its terrorist attacks so this is probably more covered. However if confirmed reports come in that only 1 was killed then it's best to not post. Juxlos (talk) 23:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, so you mean wait then? I.e. don't post this until we have the facts established? Jehochman, there you go. That's what we do at ITN. Wait until the facts are established before super-voting and posting fake news. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment It's not confirmed as a terrorist attak as of the time of this post, look at the sources on the article!
- Support Article is short, but sufficiently detailed and well referenced. Story is being covered by news sources. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron32 00:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Two people dead in something that may be a terrorist attack? There's no there in the confirmed information. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:27, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per LaserLegs, TRM and PowerEnWiki. It got a few headlines, and people are quick to cry "terrorism" when an attack fits a particular profile, but overall it's unclear if this is of any lasting impact right now. — Amakuru (talk) 00:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose another mostly peaceful terrorist attack. Water is wet. It's like the 5th one in 2 weeks in Europe, better suited for ongoing. 205.175.106.156 (talk) 03:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Infobox casualties are unacceptably vague (4+/15+). There's either RS support for these numbers, in which case they can be reported precisely, or they're the result of WP:OR, in which case they shouldn't be mentioned at all. Article is about the same quality as the one above. I am immediately suspicious of the initial !votes describing this as "the biggest attack since 2015" (it's not) and the immediate Anti-semitic/Islamist bickering (apparently kicked off by a Tweet). Europe's now had 4 (own recollection) terrorist attacks in the last few weeks, with casualties ranging from 0-3. This is, sadly, part and parcel of that part of the world right now. I'm completely unmoved by arguments that this should be posted for the strict rationale that they are "anti-semitic". I notice that no one describes the beheading of Paty as "anti-education" or the killing of an Orthodox priest as "Hellenophobic".130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:36, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support article is well referenced to reliable sources. More accurate information has come out and the incident is being covered in a major way internationally. (t · c) buidhe 07:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Buidhe above. Yakikaki (talk) 07:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment a common theme in Europe at this time, with a "terror attack" taking place roughly every other day or so. Please don't use the main page as a personal scratchpad: it's not a tabloid newspaper, it's an encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- I assume double voting is not allowed? (t · c) buidhe 08:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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RD: Dan Kohn
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TheNewStack
Credits:
- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Galaktos (talk · give credit), Earl of Arundel (talk · give credit) and Dudek1337 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former Chief Operating Officer of the Linux Foundation. He was a co-founder and CEO of the company that did the first e-commerce transaction (a credit card payment over the web) in 1994. Joofjoof (talk) 22:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Seems sourced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks okay. Ҥ (talk) 23:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose CV masquerading as a BLP. There are only 2 sentences that deal at all with his life outside of work, one of which is arguably the "Education" bulletpoint on this CV. Infobox does not even give a location of birth. Article could reasonably be moved to Career of Dan Kohn.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
RD: Nikki McKibbin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Thechased (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American Idol singer, tragic passing. Thechased (talk) 03:51, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Too much uncited info including personal medical details - Dumelow (talk) 10:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose also, while the entire "American Idol" and "Discography" sections are unreferenced (along with 3 or 4 paragraphs of "Post-Idol career") JW 1961 Talk 13:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Robert Fisk
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Times
Credits:
- Nominated by KittenKlub (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Philip Cross (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: English journalist known for his war correspondence in the Middle East for The Independent. KittenKlub (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Well referenced article, looks to be ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 22:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment : not ready. The Irish Times subhead describes Fisk as "highly regarded and controversial". If our article is doing its job, a reader ought to be able to understand why the IT led its subhead with those words. At the moment, they don't get that from the article. Why was Fisk "controversial"? If we're going to link the article from the front page, it needs to present a full picture of its subject, and it needs to examine this, with balance and NPOV, even though that may be distasteful. If an article has a deliberate blind spot, or we run away from grasping the nettle, then it is not good enough to be linked from the front page. To be sure, part of what made Fisk "controversial" was that his reporting was often relentlessly critical of U.S., British, and Israeli policies and actions. But people who have expressed reservations about his journalism go beyond just the conservatives and pro-Israel columnists who coined the term "fisking" (former article) -- eg fellow Independent journalist Hugh Pope [1], as well as others critical of his more recent reporting of Syria. It's difficult to know how to weigh the criticisms, some of which certainly are politically motivated. (Though it may get easier as obituaries start to appear in the following days). But the article needs to do a better job of contextualising why Fisk became so "marmite". IMO therefore, in its current form, the article is not ready. Our reputation is not served if we promote an article that sidesteps why its subject has been presented (at least by some) as "controversial", or could be accused of whitewashing. Jheald (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:05, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article looks fine to me at a first glance, Jheald does raise some points that need to be looked into but I don't think they are significant enough to stop this from going to RD. Gotitbro (talk) 03:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. The points Jheald raises should be looked at first. I'm not expecting a "controversy" section, that's generally not advisible, but some mention of this is required. For example, the article is almost entirely silent on his alleged bias against the US and Israel, yet all the obituaries I've seen so far highlight this aspect of his career. — Amakuru (talk) 11:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support We're not doing a GA review here. I think it's clear from reading the article why he was controversial, and everything is sourced.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:25, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Well written and referenced. SoloGaming (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as it stands, per Jheald. Fisk certainly needs a "controversies" section to avoid being WP:POV ourselves. The NYT described him as "one of the most controversial journalists of the age", and he was banned from entering the US at one point. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support well written and referenced, no reason to delay for the haters to write a hate section. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support per P-K3 and LaserLegs. - AnthonyIreland (talk) 22:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support - ready for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 23:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support The sources of controversy are relayed in the body of the article. Links therein (eg. Douma chemical attack) describe the actual controversies of those subjects. There is an outlink to "fisking" at Wikitionary, which notes only that it's a term from "the blogosphere". Not quite the level of notability that should hold this article up. Otherwise a well written and structured BLP.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Brigade Piron, they said it better than I could. (t · c) buidhe 07:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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RD: Rudolf Zahradník
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): iRozhlas
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Czech chemist. I've added a little to the article but it seems in reasonably good condition - Dumelow (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Seems fine, well sourced enough and written well. Gex4pls (talk) 12:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Well referenced article, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 13:35, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape, notable scientist. Also, tutor of Angela Merkel! Yakikaki (talk) 20:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Limited depth of coverage in his career as a chemist; unclear what it means by he "studied the relationship between theoretical and experimental characteristics" (characteristics of...?) SpencerT•C 22:14, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Spencer, I've tried to expand a little on this but my chemistry knowledge isn't up to much more - Dumelow (talk) 06:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support I find the professional coverage satisfactory. E.g. "He studied the relationship between chemical structure and biological activity as well as chemical reactivity and molecular spectroscopy" in the lede and others like it throughout. I find the coverage of his personal life a little lacking, but not so much that it stops being a BLP.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Acceptable quality. (t · c) buidhe 07:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Iba Der Thiam
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Senegalese historian and politician. I've updated it with his death and the rest of the article looks reasonable - Dumelow (talk) 08:31, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Small, but well referenced article.KittenKlub (talk) 10:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Article seems quite good. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Per above. SoloGaming (talk) 20:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Opening sentence states that the subject was a "writer, politician and historian", yet the article devotes 1 sentence to his work as a historian and none to his work as a writer. SpencerT•C 22:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi @Spencer:. Editing from my phone so can’t do too much at the moment but I’ve tried to add a bit more on his history work - Dumelow (talk) 22:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- SupportReference coverage is good. The "Select academic work" looks like it covers his publications as a historian. Joofjoof (talk) 22:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Joofjoof. Ҥ (talk) 23:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Arturo Lona Reyes
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Jornada
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: I've expanded it a little and think it meets the standard - Dumelow (talk) 08:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I do not think this is far from being ITN-ready, but it certainly does need a cleanup first. The prose currently reads in a slightly unencyclopedic tone and does not fit well around the current section structure. There are a couple of areas where more citations might be helpful too. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Brigade Piron, I've hacked it around a bit so hopefully it makes more sense now. Let me know - Dumelow (talk) 19:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: @Dumelow: Is there a citation for Lona Reyes' quote in the middle? It's unclear if it is from citation 1. Otherwise it's basically ready and give me a ping once that's worked out. SpencerT•C 22:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi @Spencer:. The quote was already there, I presumed it came from the book. I’ve found a source online and added it. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 22:26, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Six Nations Championship
Blurb: In rugby union, England wins the Six Nations Championship. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Created by Steven a91 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Rugby.change (talk · give credit) and Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:34, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Going to need some prose on the matches and a tournament summary. Stephen 22:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose This is just regional sports and I haven't seen this at all in the newspapers. Is it really significant enough to be on the main page? Blah 22:31, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Blahwheel, This is a WP:ITN/R article so the significance is already established for each years event, we then judge this on the quality of the article, which as of now I would oppose per Stephens comment above JW 1961 Talk 22:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps it should be removed from the list. There are more important events than this that we can post..Blah 22:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Blahwheel, you'll need to start a discussion at WT:ITN if you want it removed. Stephen 03:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps it should be removed from the list. There are more important events than this that we can post..Blah 22:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Blahwheel, This is a WP:ITN/R article so the significance is already established for each years event, we then judge this on the quality of the article, which as of now I would oppose per Stephens comment above JW 1961 Talk 22:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – article is just tables/lists ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 04:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Not ready. Needs referenced prose describing the course of the tournament. See the 2016 article for an example. This seems to be a perennial problem with the Six Nations - every year since then has failed to be posted in ITN because no-one wrote a prose summary. Modest Genius talk 12:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose needs prose. A lot more prose. Thanks. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Marius Žaliūkas
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Lithuanian footballer. I've added some missing refs, still a bit to do but it's headed the right way - Dumelow (talk) 07:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good, more about his personal life would be nice as well. Gotitbro (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support decently referenced, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 17:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support - sourced and ready. RD.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Posted – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:28, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) Super Typhoon Goni
Blurb: Typhoon Goni makes landfall in The Philippines as a super typhoon with winds of 195 miles per hour (314 km/h), killing at least 11 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Typhoon Goni makes landfall in The Philippines as a super typhoon, killing at least 11 people.
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Seems like very notable for ITN. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
WaitMaking landfall is not sufficient for posting, we'd want to know what type of damage it has done, which is expected to be known by Sunday (local time). --Masem (t) 20:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)- Support now with confirmed significant impact on landfall. --Masem (t) 17:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Wait Almost certain that hundreds will die, unfortunately. At least given what Haiyan did to a populated area in 2013. Let's wait and post the impact. NoahTalk 21:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
WaitSupportPer aboveMade landfall only yesterday and major impacts are already being reported, as well as ten deaths confirmed. It also set the record for highest winds at landfall, which you could include in the blurb. Gex4pls (talk) 21:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)- Comment why are we using 1-minute sustained winds in the blurb? Most reliable sources (e.g. AP, BBC, Reuters) use 10-minute winds from JMA/PAGASA. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 10:43, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- I believe it made the record for fastest one minute sustained winds at landfall, so that could be the reasoning Gex4pls (talk) 12:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Wait Per above, simply having record landfall is not ITN worthy. Gotitbro (talk) 15:27, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support now that the impact has been added to the blurb and article. Gotitbro (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricane Noah, Masem, and Gotitbro: death toll now up to 10. Should be enough impact to post. Death toll will steadily rise throughout the day, which should be fixed by WP:ERRORS. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support posting now. What are we waiting for? 41 died and a million evacuated. We've been tripping ourselves to get this posted if this was two boats rowing on the Thames. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Howard the Duck: where's the 41 deaths coming from? NoahTalk 17:53, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Wait Per Above. SoloGaming (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support 170 kt landfaller and extremely catastrophic storm. Impacts are still coming out, but this is doubtless disastrous, at least comparable to Haiyan. Also, the name of the typhoon is just "Typhoon Goni" officially (the "super" moniker was attached by non-RSMCs like JTWC and PAGASA) so that may have to be fixed. JavaHurricane 01:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Destructive storm with widespread impact. Category 5 landfalls are generally posted from what I can remember. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support The typhoon had already caused significant damage. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 02:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support notable typhoon, among the strongest typhoons since 2013 Haiyan.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 09:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support, notable typhoon with strong impact and a few deaths. Latest reports show 16 dead, so blurb should be changed. Also, lowercase "T" should be used in "The Philippines", since "The" is not a part of the name. Chlod (say hi!) 09:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment marked as ready but please don't post it with a redirect to super typhoon. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 11:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment the ITN after this posting has two typhoons, this one and Molave. Is this too many typhoons? Molave was several days ago...--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 12:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Ordinarily I'd say this shouldn't matter. Each item rolls off the bottom in turn. However, since the World Series and the Typhoon are both labelled as October 27, I've used a bit of licence and flipped back to the sports event at the expense of Molave. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 12:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Better and more well-rounded ITN now.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 13:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Ordinarily I'd say this shouldn't matter. Each item rolls off the bottom in turn. However, since the World Series and the Typhoon are both labelled as October 27, I've used a bit of licence and flipped back to the sports event at the expense of Molave. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 12:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) Sean Connery
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Oscar winning Scottish actor Sir Sean Connery dies aged 90 (Post)
Alternative blurb: Scottish actor Sir Sean Connery dies aged 90
Alternative blurb II: Scottish actor Sean Connery dies aged 90
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Support The article is good shape already. I think that Sean Connery deserves a blurb as well ... KittenKlub (talk) 12:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Decent, well referenced article for RD JW 1961 Talk 12:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- also Support blurb in this case JW 1961 Talk 14:47, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article looks in good shape. Count me as support for a blurb too if one is proposed. P-K3 (talk) 12:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape and well referenced in general. RD for sure, not familiar enough with the industry to comment on blurb. Juxlos (talk) 12:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb or RD. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support once his filmography is restored, since I'm sure it was blanked in error in editing. rawmustard (talk) 13:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Disagree, I think it's fine for an actor with a prolific career to have the filmography spun off to a separate article. P-K3 (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- At the time I posted, the section had an empty filmography tag which would need to be resolved before the article could be posted to front page. Everything else appeared to have no issues. rawmustard (talk) 13:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, but what would go in such a filmography section? It can't include all of his films, because that would bloat the article and it's all covered in the sub-article. His most important films are already discussed in the Career section prose, so I don't think any separate Filmography is needed in the main article. — Amakuru (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- At the time I posted, the section had an empty filmography tag which would need to be resolved before the article could be posted to front page. Everything else appeared to have no issues. rawmustard (talk) 13:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support per all the above. First Bobby, then Nobby, now Sean. Pretty shit week. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:16, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Blurb, per KittenKlub Yakikaki (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Academy Award winner and acting icon. Death reported globally. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- We'd not include mention of the award in a typical death blurb. Lots of people are Academy Award winners, that is not what makes this death blurbable. --Masem (t) 14:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD Mjroots (talk) 14:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support article is class B already. Blurb would be approparite given the less notable current list, maybe a picture as well. Assem Khidhr (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. --Tone 14:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Blurb.Global icon. RIP. Ktin (talk) 14:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb probably the most iconic/legendary/etc Scottish actor ever. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb. If anyone thinks I've applied false standards compared with others such as Kirk Douglas then holler, but for now I do think Connery is probably one of the few Thatchers/Mandelas in the acting world. Please just blurb as Sean Connery though (Alt 2). Per MOS:HONORIFIC the "Sir" isn't normally included in titles or other mentions except for the first mention in the lead. — Amakuru (talk) 14:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Our standard should be a Thatcher/Mandela/Connery standard, if anything. BD2412 T 14:58, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb. A Scottish legend. Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. I could name several entertainers of similar stature who have died this year and did not get a blurb, so I don't see why Connery should get one. We didn't give Chadwick Boseman a blurb despite him being half Connery's age and dying suddenly in the middle of his career. Kirk Douglas, who won three Oscars and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, didn't get a blurb. Olivia de Havilland, a two-time Oscar winner, didn't get a blurb. Regis Philbin, no blurb. Ditto for Little Richard and Helen Reddy. -- Calidum 15:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- If people keep on saying that people should not have blurbs because of what has happened in the past, then nothing is going to change. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- If this starts a new trend of actually posting blurbs, I'd be happy. But I doubt it. -- Calidum 15:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- The recent trend has been towards far fewer blurbs, which is a good thing. — Amakuru (talk) 16:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- If this starts a new trend of actually posting blurbs, I'd be happy. But I doubt it. -- Calidum 15:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- If people keep on saying that people should not have blurbs because of what has happened in the past, then nothing is going to change. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Most of those should have been blurbed, especially Boseman, and we shouldn't be bound by past mistakes. Davey2116 (talk) 21:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it was ridiculous Douglas and Little Richard not being blurbed, and probably DeHavilland as well. I had (until 30 seconds ago) no clue who Regis Philbin was, though. Black Kite (talk) 23:38, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- I am fully in agreement... I would have supported a blurb for many of these if I had known they were nominated. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- No, absolutely not. You can make a case for Douglas, but Little Richard and DeHavilland are not even remotely of the calibre required. Blurbing is rare, and Connery is one of very few people in entertainment whose career and fame is so huge that they merit inclusion. In general you should assume only a handful of names in any given industry or profession would make the grade. — Amakuru (talk) 01:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- But why? -- Calidum 03:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- No, absolutely not. You can make a case for Douglas, but Little Richard and DeHavilland are not even remotely of the calibre required. Blurbing is rare, and Connery is one of very few people in entertainment whose career and fame is so huge that they merit inclusion. In general you should assume only a handful of names in any given industry or profession would make the grade. — Amakuru (talk) 01:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Most of those should have been blurbed, especially Boseman, and we shouldn't be bound by past mistakes. Davey2116 (talk) 21:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb I've given this a lot of thought. The one other actor who comes to mind that we posted as a blurb is Christopher Lee. Both him and Connery have highly prolific careers that stretched on well into their advanced age. It seems appropriate to post this.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Though arguably Connery formally retired in 2006 (give or take a few minor roles), whereas Lee was still working in acting up until his death. Lee's death was "surprising" (beyond his age) where this death was a matter of time. --Masem (t) 16:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb This is a no-brainer. He was a world-class actor, global icon and influence on many future generations of actors.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb How could we not post the star of such screen classics as Zardoz and Highlander? Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb A legend. RIP. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- I see enough support to post as a blurb. --Tone 17:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Tone, Thanks. Can we please bring back Cecilia Chiang on the WP:ITNRD carousel? Alternately, if there is an RD ready for publishing, we could publish that. Ktin (talk) 17:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb in retrospect as reliable sources such as the BBC are calling him one of the greatest actors of the 20th century. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:19, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Post-posting support blurb I can read, Trebek! Davey2116 (talk) 21:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Not egregious, but most of the "opposes" at wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/February_2020#(Posted_to_RD)_RD:_Kirk_Douglas apply. Doesn't have the sentimental impact of a Carrie Fisher death. Being James Bond and non-American probably pushed this over.—Bagumba (talk) 01:25, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for saying what I didn't want to say. -- Calidum 03:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb per Bagumba. I can't help but feel that we don't really have a coherent standard for recent death blurbs. -- Veggies (talk) 02:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb Per the above. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:59, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
October 30
October 30, 2020
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(Posted) RD: Nobby Stiles
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Metro)
Credits:
- Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Egghead06 (talk · give credit) and PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: One of the 1966 England World Cup winning squad. Please indicat whether you support a blurb, or RD only. Mjroots (talk) 16:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the article is poorly referenced and outright oppose for a blurb as he was clearly not a top figure in the sport of the same stature as Puskás, Pele, Cruyff or Maradona.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on referencing - the section on his playing career, which is what makes him notable, is entirely unreferenced. Oppose blurb - not a major figure in the game. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:55, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Nobby Stiles was one of the best English football players ever, but I don't think would be high enough on a list of the best international football players ever to merit a blurb. I suspect such a list would be limited to players on par with Pele and Maradona. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Not even close; not in the FIFA 100. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:15, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose based on quality of article, agree with all of the problems noted above. Oppose blurb when the article is improved because neither "the cause of death itself is a major story" nor do "the events surrounding the death merit additional explanation". RD is sufficient as nothing needs to be explained in a blurb. --Jayron32 18:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Converted to RD (non-admin closure). Consensus will not emerge to post with blurb. Changed nomination to RD alone. Conversations from below can focus on RD readiness. PS: Feel free to undo my change if there is a desire to drive to consensus. Also feel free to WP:TROUT Ktin (talk) 18:33, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Ktin: Good call, no need for a trout. Mjroots (talk) 20:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Oppose I know I'm piling on, but the lack of inline citations means this will need a lot of work to get ready.(And though Nobby was a beloved figure, he's not blurb material.)-- P-K3 (talk) 18:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)- Sadly Oppose RD until references are improved. RIP Nobby JW 1961 Talk 18:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Kiril Simeonovski, Bcp67, NorthernFalcon, Bzweebl, Jayron32, Ktin, Pawnkingthree, and Joseywales1961: I have addressed your quality concerns and the article is now sourced. If you could look over it again that'd be appreciated. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- PCN02WPS, It's reading way better, but since you pinged there have been 9 cn's added, I will look in on this again in nthe afternoon JW 1961 Talk 08:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Joseywales1961, PCN02WPS -- Hey folks. Agree, definitely getting there. I was the one who added the [citation needed] tags. Once these are filled the article should be good to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 11:38, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- PCN02WPS, It's reading way better, but since you pinged there have been 9 cn's added, I will look in on this again in nthe afternoon JW 1961 Talk 08:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support for RD oppose for blurb RD blurbs should only be for people who the average reader (i.e. not a follower of the field) would know - e.g. Sean Connery. Also, can someone find a better picture? This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:33, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support for RD. I've fixed up the remaining cites needed, and tweaked a few things here and there, so I think this is now good to be posted. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Support Good job with the sourcing. P-K3 (talk) 11:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Stephen, Tone, Spencer, John M Wolfson, and Bagumba: apologies for the intrusion, but as it has become fashionable to ping admins these days, I'll join the party! Any chance someone could see if this is ready and post it if so? Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 12:36, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Posted – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 12:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Clearly RD but don't see blurb relevance per above. Gotitbro (talk) 15:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 Aegean Sea earthquake
Blurb: An Earthquake in the Aegean Sea kills at least 8 people and injures 130 more (Post)
Alternative blurb: An Earthquake in the Aegean Sea results in at least 8 people getting killed and 130 more injured
News source(s): The Guardian, CNN, CNBC, Al Jazeera, Bloomberg, AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Solavirum (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Seems like very notable for ITN. 8 deaths and 130 injuries (likely to increase), plus major destruction Sincerely: SolaVirum 16:10, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Article looks good. In the news. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Eight deaths seems like a pretty small number. Is there precedent for posting natural disasters with so few deaths? If there is, then Support. If not, then Oppose. (And yes, I am aware that we don't make posting decisions based purely on precedent, but it would definitely inform my vote in this case.) Mlb96 (talk) 16:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Mlb96: Eight deaths is generally enough for large disasters, such as strong earthquakes or volcano eruptions. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:06, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wait – Although AP has put the toll up to 14, other RS sites say six or eight. Details seem likely to develop further. – Sca (talk) 17:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment death count reached 14, with 427 injuries. Most of which were reported in Turkey. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 17:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - For now, the article is good. Maybe we should wait until midnight local time and announce the number of victims at that time.--WEBDuB (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support High death toll and many details, though we should wait for an official death toll. Gex4pls (talk) 18:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support fixed template. Enough death toll and is headline news. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:15, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support An 7.0 earthquake near a big city, Izmir (the earthquake has crushed especially Bayraklı and Bornova according to Turkish Wikipedia sources - I will add it -, where consist at least 1/5 of the city per population). I think the article is deserving a location in "In the news" section.--Ahmetlii (talk) 20:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
(Removed) Ongoing removal: End SARS
Nominator's comments: The article's latest timeline entry is at End SARS § 22 October. There have been so substantive additions since 25 Oct, just copyedits. Per WP:ITN: Articles whose most recent update is older than the oldest blurb currently on ITN are usually not being updated frequently enough for ongoing status.
Oldest blurb is from 25 Oct (2020 Seychellois general election). —Bagumba (talk) 04:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Overplayed cause célèbre anyway. – Sca (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Remove When posted, it was an actively updated article. Seems to have fallen off. It's been over a week at this point. --Jayron32 12:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support No longer in the news in the West This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support probably still ongoing in Nigeria, though news coverage has died down considerably. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:26, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support I agree with above. SoloGaming (talk) 14:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Removed. I know I voted. There's a consensus anyways, so commensurate with posting the below item, I also removed SARS. --Jayron32 15:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) Ongoing: October 2020 Polish protests
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Blurb was posted on 28 Oct and cycled off on the 29th. Still ongoing though per above sources. —Bagumba (talk) 03:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support, would nominate by myself. Still develops, new events planned for 10/30 and later --Andrei (talk) 09:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support, hmm... got pushed off. Still ongoing and active. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support That got pushed off fast. I guess it's a busy week, but this is perfect for ongoing. Gex4pls (talk) 12:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Still going on and likely to continue for some time. – Sca (talk) 12:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support There were 410,000 protesters recently. Albertaont (talk) 12:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Big news and still on-going. Almost textbook ITN/O material This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support per all above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support per above. Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support We did push it off really fast, I agree with above. SoloGaming (talk) 14:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Overwhelming support, also removed SARS item above, per consensus. It was also getting a bit crowded. --Jayron32 15:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Amfilohije Radović
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, The Washington Post, RFE/RL
Credits:
- Nominated by DragonFederal (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Cleric of the Serbian Orthodox Church. The Metropolitan Bishop of Montenegro and the Littoral from 1990 until his death. DragonFederal (talk) 08:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support Article looks mostly OK This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:06, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks good to me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- SupportJust from a quick skim, everything is sourced and whatnot. Gex4pls (talk) 14:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - The article looks good. A very notable person in the Balkans. --WEBDuB (talk) 18:10, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 20:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support A notable figure in the Balkans and Orthodoxy. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Bibliography still seems unsourced. Also one additional skim for sourcing might be needed. Ktin (talk) 23:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- I see the source now, a general one. Posting. --Tone 14:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
RD: Mesut Yılmaz
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Demoxica (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Three time Prime Minister of Turkey. Demoxica (talk) 13:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose On quality. Many unsourced statements and claims, even a paragraph that goes without sources. Gex4pls (talk) 14:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Many paragraphs uncited. I tagged the article for sourcing issues. Yoninah (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Basic referencing issues. Gotitbro (talk) 15:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - But ping me asap if the improvements are made.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
October 29
October 29, 2020
(Thursday)
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(Posted) RD: Sindika Dokolo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News24, Africanews
Credits:
- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Noel baran (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Son-in-law of Angola's previous president and husband of Africa's richest woman. Died at age 48 in a Dubai scuba/boating accident. Joofjoof (talk) 23:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks to be all sourced. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support on quality. A comprehensive well sourced article. BTW: His claim to fame is the art collection, but indeed it is based on a father who owned part of the economy of Zaire before Mobutu took it, and then married a woman who owns part of the economy of Angola.KittenKlub (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 19:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Alexander Vedernikov
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Music
Credits:
- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Created by In ictu oculi (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Russian conductor, died of COVID-19. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks in good order. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Suitable for RD, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 20:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good enough to me - Dumelow (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 22:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) 2020 Nice stabbing
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Blurb: Three people have died in a knife attack at a church in Nice (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Weak support I know these are rare in France and the situation around it, that's its being labeled as international terrorism, but at the same time, it was only 4 people involved (the 3 victims and the attacker). This is nowhere close to past attacks like the Charlie Hebdo shooting in terms of scale or rationale for the attack, hence why I only weakly support it. --Masem (t) 17:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. 3 people died. Big deal. This is not international news. COVID-19 killed more people in Nice that day, then this minor attack. We didn’t post Paty, so I don’t see any real reason to post this. The Image Editor (talk) 17:15, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose seems insignificant. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose A large loss of life, but not exactly ITN large. Gex4pls (talk) 17:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support Important, if nothing else then simply by the virtue of being another sign of islamic terrorism overwhelming Europe. Remember, that all of this sh*tshow happened because a French politician dared to suggest that Islam was in crisis. CoronaOneLove (talk) 17:45, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as per all the above comments. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as per above. Also an article titled "2020 Nice stabbing" is not a good idea. How about "2020 Stabbing in Nice"? KittenKlub (talk) 17:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose death toll thankfully low. If a mass terrorism outbreak occurs in France, then yes. The article title is also very awkward. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Article title is fine, if we're going with our usual "<year> <place> <description>" template. I mean, it's just the same with how 2020 Peshawar school bombing is named. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nice stabbing? What's nice about stabbing? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not as Nice as a truck attack, I guess? Howard the Duck (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nice stabbing? What's nice about stabbing? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose not notable enough. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Second such attack in France in short time span. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 18:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Then we can post the article "Attacks in France in short time span (2020)" to ITN. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – This gruesomely brutal deed of 'Islamo-fascism' is not worth Main Page promotion. – Sca (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) Hurricane Zeta
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Blurb: Hurricane Zeta makes landfall in Louisiana setting a new record for being the fifth named storm to make landfall in Louisiana in a single season. (Post)
News source(s): (National Hurricane Center), (Fox News), (CNN), (The New York Times)
Credits:
- Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)
- Note Everything is a record if you make the criteria convoluted enough. That being said, I think the more notable thing is it is the 27th named storm, tying the record for a single year. If this were to be posted, the blurb should mention that. However however, I think a better target would be if we ever get a 28th named storm, for the actual absolute record. That would be a much more universal and well-defined record than simply "tying an old record" or "breaking the record for one U.S. state". Zeta itself is rather unremarkable excepting that it's the fifth in Louisiana in one year. --Jayron32 14:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose not interesting contrived "record", not particularly notable hurricane. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Pretty damaging, but we've seen bigger this year. However, I do support posting the 28th named storm, as that would be a major record broken. Gex4pls (talk) 15:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose ITN is really not a good place for superlative records like this. I know the storm is disrupting normal activities in the area, but its not as destructive as other hurricanes this seasons that made landfall, so this really isn't as much ITN appropriate. --Masem (t) 15:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose The fact that it was the 27th named storm of the 2020 AHS is not that notable when you look at the bigger picture. Firstly: The Pacific Typhoon Season each year has a rough average of about 26 named storms. Secondly, tropical cyclones are not the only weather system named in the Atlantic. For starters we have the US Weather Channel naming winter storms, we then have the UKMO, Meteo France, Met Eirrean and various other european warning centers naming significant weather systems over the Atlantic, Finally we have FU Berlin naming most areas of high and low pressure over Europe which shock horror includes the Atlantic.Jason Rees (talk) 15:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with you on the typhoon part, but the weather channel naming winter storms is not accepted by the NWS, and significant weather systems and lows never do as much damage as named tropical cyclones. Gex4pls (talk) 15:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment the most named storms in an Atlantic hurricane season is actually 28, as 2005 had an unnamed system. This year's still at 27. Getting to the 29th (if we do, and that's a big "if") may be worth posting, but that's a discussion for another time. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- I mean, the system is unnamed, so I don't see why it should count towards named storms. Gex4pls (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, per The Rambling Man. ITN is really about events, not records, and the event here does not seem particularly significant. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not news that matters.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: JJ Wiliams
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Wales and British Lions rugby player, surprisingly weak article. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:56, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support short but decently referenced, OK for RD JW 1961 Talk 18:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support A bit stubby, yet just about every statement is sourced and well written. Gex4pls (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:43, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Keshubhai Patel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian politician. I've had a bit of a tidy of the article - Dumelow (talk) 08:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Seems well sourced enough, a very important figure. Gex4pls (talk) 12:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Gave the article a quick read. Well referenced and meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 14:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support well sourced, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 18:56, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
October 28
October 28, 2020
(Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: Robert Wells (Canadian politician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; The Chronicle Herald
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Would like to see a little more depth of coverage in legal career and/or political provincial career. Otherwise, well-referenced. SpencerT•C 22:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Spencer: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 15:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Leanza Cornett
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety; NBC News; The Independent
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 19:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Small, well sourced article. KittenKlub (talk) 19:46, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support per KittenKlub JW 1961 Talk 21:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:46, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) RD: Bobby Ball
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Comrade TruthTeller (talk · give credit)
- Updated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose Many uncited paragraphs, numerous citation-needed tags. Filmography is completely unreferenced. Yoninah (talk) 12:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
OpposeSupportEntire sections unsourced, such as the Cannon and Ball section, as well as numerous statements scattered throughout the article that remain source less or better source needed tagged.Article's been more or less cleaned up. Thanks to @PCN02WPS: for cleaning this mess up! Gex4pls (talk) 14:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)- Comment Yoninah and Gex4pls, I have sourced much of the prose in the article, and I will work on sourcing the filmography shortly. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - for the record, Comrade TruthTeller and I have already been given credit for this RD having been posted by an IP editor who describes himself as a "newbie" and has left some unflattering messages along with them. I am assuming the credit having been given was done in error. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: It doesn't seem like the editor who uploaded the TV entries and sourced them to BFI was actually looking at the BFI web page. I updated all the entries and left "citation-needed" tags for the entries that do not appear on that web page. The Film section, meanwhile, is unsourced. Yoninah (talk) 17:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Entire filmography section is unreferenced otherwise fine. Gotitbro (talk) 15:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Cecilia Chiang
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Chinese-American restaurateur and chef; Well cited article. Did not require too many edits. Meets hygiene standards for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 03:46, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support: looks OK to me - Dumelow (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support: Well-referenced & updated article and a notable person. — MarkH21talk 07:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Well-referenced and ready for the main page. Yoninah (talk) 12:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Checked and posted --Jayron32 14:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 Polish protests
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Blurb: Constitutional court ends almost all legal abortion in Poland which causes protests across the country (Post)
Alternative blurb: Thousands of Poles protest against changes of abortion law in the country
Alternative blurb II: The outlawing of almost all abortions in Poland engenders widespread protests, including a nationwide women's strike.
Alternative blurb III: In Poland, protests break out following changes to abortion laws.
News source(s): Notes from Poland, NYT, CNN, AP, BBC, Der Spiegel (in German)
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk · give credit)
- Created by Ouro (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Boud (talk · give credit) and Natanieluz (talk · give credit)
- Oppose as of this moment. The protests are related in the article have been going on for only 3 days, are sporadic and thus far have only significantly disrupted a few roads and churches. The article is updated, in relatively good condition and the event has some level of RS coverage, but I would like to see a significant increase in both coverage and impact before Ongoing.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Its been a week already, since the 22nd. It is nationwide, with a general strike announced on Wednesday - https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cywd23g0q1mt/poland --Andrei (talk) 12:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment I would like to see this as a blurb first.~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)- Support alt3 ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – A nationwide women's strike, with the right-wing Kaczyński-led govt. calling up the military police, shows the significant divisions in politically polarized Poland. (A blurb would be possible as the strike is current and developments seem likely.) – Sca (talk) 12:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I believe this article should be place a blurb first to have evidence the significance of the protests. If the blurb rolls down, it can be posted as ongoing. 36.76.229.22 (talk) 12:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
*Comment Instead of ongoing this should be placed in ITN. SoloGaming (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Corrected --Andrei (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Change to Support Ok this is much better, thank you. If these protests continue to happen at a large scale then sure we can put it in Ongoing, but as for now this is good. SoloGaming (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Important enough for ITN, major political decision and protests in Poland that could have ramifications on the rest of the world. Gex4pls (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Article shaping up. Prefer Alt2, offered above. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. Offer up alt3 as an option. Short, concise, and neutral. --Jayron32 15:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - article looks good, important event. Alt2 sums it up best. --Ouro (blah blah) 15:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Alt3. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- PP comment – Rather shy on information. – Sca (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- PP comment - @John M Wolfson: I think the blurb should go on top of the other blurbs on the ITN box. It's currently at the bottom. Thanks. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- We don't order based on the nomination date. Protests began on 22nd and has been in the news for days.[3]—Bagumba (talk) 18:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- We should change our ways. – Sca (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Start a discussion on the talk page. See if consensus is with you. If it is, we can change our ways. --Jayron32 14:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- We should change our ways. – Sca (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
October 27
October 27, 2020
(Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
Health and environment
International relations
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Science and technology
Sports
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(Posted) RD: Don Mazankowski
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Star / Canadian Press; National Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Deputy prime minister of Canada from 1986 to 1993. Bloom6132 (talk) 10:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Solid article, everything cited, no close paraphrasing seen. Yoninah (talk) 12:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support decently referenced article, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 18:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) HS Kalisto collision
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Blurb: Minesweeper HS Kallisto is cut in two in a collision with a container ship (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose – This is nothing more than a traffic collision. No lasting significance shown. Greece–United Kingdom relations remain steadfast.--- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 06:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Any major casualties from the crash? Don't see the significance otherwise. Gotitbro (talk) 07:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- HS Kallisto certainly a hull loss. Two crew injured. Mjroots (talk) 08:05, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose thankfully, no one died. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – Dramatic maritime accident but only two injuries reported. – Sca (talk) 12:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose But would make a good did you know Gex4pls (talk) 13:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose The HMS Berkeley article is basically a stub. SoloGaming (talk) 13:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Certainly unusual, but a sinking of a small ship with two injuries will not have major impacts. The article is a stub, and the few news reports say little more about the event. Modest Genius talk 15:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment @John M Wolfson, Masem, Bagumba, Spencer, and Stephen: Sorry for the repetitiveness, suggest closure for this one based on WP:SNOW. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 World Series
Blurb: In baseball, the Los Angeles Dodgers defeat the Tampa Bay Rays to win the World Series (MVP Corey Seager pictured). (Post)
News source(s): CBS, ESPN, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Created by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Spanneraol (talk · give credit), Dmoore5556 (talk · give credit) and Eposty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support: article quality looks good to me. Kevin Cash should be ashamed for pulling Snell. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 03:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support: Article in good shape. Best day for Los Angeles after 32 years.CoatCheck (talk) 04:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support: But add that it's their first title in 32 years. That's quite a long time. TomCat4680 (talk) 05:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not really. There are 30 MLB teams, so ~30 years between championships is to be expected. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 06:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) Typhoon Molave
Blurb: 12 people are killed and 39 are missing after Typhoon Molave hits The Philippines and Vietnam. (Post)
News source(s): Insurance Journal
Credits:
- Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk · give credit)
- Created by Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Storm still active. Updates coming. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Large death toll already and the storm seems set to get worse. The Image Editor (talk) 22:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
WaitSupportuntil landfall in Vietnam, which is sure to cause more catastrophic damage.just made 2nd landfall in Vietnam, 2 deaths already confirmed, seems perfect for ITN Gex4pls (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC) Gex4pls (talk) 23:46, 27 October 2020 (UTC)- Support Articles looks fine, major natural disaster in the area. Gotitbro (talk) 07:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Storm has likely killed dozens. NoahTalk 14:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted. I added an "At least to the blurb to avoid starting a sentence with a numeral, and per standard practice in reporting these things.--Jayron32 15:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) 2020 Peshawar school attack
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Blurb: At least eight people have died after an explosion during a class at a religious school in Pakistan (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Comment I believe the death toll has been upped to 7 or 8 Gex4pls (talk) 11:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support In principle. Oppose right now on size and sources. When expanded consider this a support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk • contribs) 11:59, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose While it has only 50 words of prose - Stub JW 1961 Talk 12:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose It is a stub, if there is more context, could re-consider. Albertaont (talk) 12:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Only a stub. SoloGaming (talk) 18:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Very stubby stub. I add my vote because it's not a stub where another paragraph and a few more sources will make it post-able, it's so bare it probably shouldn't be an article. It's also been, what, 24 hours? And there doesn't appear to be any information on the bombing except that it happened? Nowhere near a state to post. Kingsif (talk) 01:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment @John M Wolfson, Spencer, Stephen, Bagumba, and Masem: suggest closure. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- I don't feel that a close is appropriate at this time, as the opposes are on quality, which can in theory be fixed within the time for consideration, and there is currently not much discussion one way or the other about significance. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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