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== 7 g acceleration claim == |
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The article seems to claim that a pickup at 130m and 200km/h caused an acceleration of 7 g's, but that is physically impossible. Under these parameters the initial acceleration would be only 2.4g even if the cable was completely inelastic. --[[User:Tennenrishin|Tennenrishin]] ([[User talk:Tennenrishin|talk]]) 10:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:On inspection, the citation provided does not make such a claim in the first place. There is mention of 7 g's during a 1943 test of a completely different system with different operating parameters. So I'm removing the incorrect claim from the article. --[[User:Tennenrishin|Tennenrishin]] ([[User talk:Tennenrishin|talk]]) 12:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== In popular media == |
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I noticed this (or a system like it) is featured in the film [[Barely Lethal]] and the video game [[Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain]] <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:VTNC|VTNC]] ([[User talk:VTNC|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/VTNC|contribs]]) 21:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Not just [[Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain]], But the earlier title of "Peace Walker" and "Portable Ops" from the PSP [[Special:Contributions/86.142.53.231|86.142.53.231]] ([[User talk:86.142.53.231|talk]]) 21:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC) |
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:We don't just arbitrarily list every game, book, or movie something has been featured of mentioned in. Please read and follow [[WP:MILPOP]] guidelines for adding pop culture references. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 06:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC) |
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::Strange, seeing how WP primarily focuses on popular culture. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.253.74.52|89.253.74.52]] ([[User talk:89.253.74.52|talk]]) 08:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::Well, the Fulton device plays a major role in the aforementioned games, and such importance is clear in every major review of both games. It fits the criteria. [[User:DeABREU|DeABREU]] ([[User talk:DeABREU|talk]]) 00:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC) |
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::::I feel that to be in-line with [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Pop culture and our position on it]], you need to have at least one reliable source. For example, I was the one who added ''[[The Dark Knight (film)|The Dark Knight]]'' to the popular culture page. I not only cited the movie (twice actually, once when the system was first mentioned and again when it is actually used), but an article about the use of the system in the movie. At the moment, [[Thunderball]] and [[Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain]] do not have any references about the systems use. I added the [[Template:Citation Needed]] to both of them to stress this point. [[User:Elisfkc|Elisfkc]] ([[User talk:Elisfkc|talk]]) 13:30, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::[[User:194.75.8.152|194.75.8.152]], [[User:86.195.12.218|86.195.12.218]], [[User:DeABREU|DeABREU]], and [[User:VTNC|VTNC]], since the amount of time to fix problems on Wikipedia seems to usually be one week, and I posted the last comment and the [[Template:Citation needed|Citation needed templates]] on October 30, I am letting you know that [[Thunderball]] and [[Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain]] may be deleted on or any time after November 6 if they still do not have a reliable source. Since it was used previously, I'll remind you that another Wikipedia article does not count as a reliable source in this situation. [[User:Elisfkc|Elisfkc]] ([[User talk:Elisfkc|talk]]) 18:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC) |
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*Please note that a source confirming a subject's usage in a given medium is not enough - the source must address the subject's ''significance'', which is something primary usually can't do. Per [[WP:POPCULTURE#Content]]: |
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::Although some references may be plainly verified by primary sources, this does not demonstrate the significance of the reference. Furthermore, when the primary source in question only presents the reference, interpretation of this may constitute original research where the reference itself is ambiguous. '''If a cultural reference is genuinely significant it should be possible to find a reliable secondary source that supports that judgment.''' Quoting a respected expert attesting to the importance of a subject as a cultural influence is encouraged. '''Absence of these secondary sources should be seen as a sign of limited significance, not an invitation to draw inference from primary sources.''' (Emphasis mine.) <small>— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BilCat|contribs]]) 15:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Signed by Elisfkc--> |
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:::Thanks for pointing that out. [[User:Elisfkc|Elisfkc]] ([[User talk:Elisfkc|talk]]) 20:01, 3 November 2015 (UTC) |
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The presence of the fulton recovery system in [[Metal_Gear_Solid_V:_The_Phantom_Pain|Metal Gear Solid 5]] is pretty obviously noteworthy, and there are several citeable sources discussing it (e.g. http://warisboring.com/articles/the-true-story-of-metal-gear-solids-fulton-recovery-system/). Looking at the page revision history, it seems like there is an ongoing edit war over this issue. |
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--[[Special:Contributions/205.175.229.97|205.175.229.97]] ([[User talk:205.175.229.97|talk]]) 23:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:So far, no one has provided a reliable source with their edits on the article, as far as I've seen/undone. The only source cited was another wiki. [[User:Elisfkc|Elisfkc]] ([[User talk:Elisfkc|talk]]) 23:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::I have added a short reference to the game, citing the source that I posted here. --[[Special:Contributions/205.175.229.97|205.175.229.97]] ([[User talk:205.175.229.97|talk]]) 02:27, 27 January 2016 (UTC) |
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This system appears at the end of an episode of "The Unit" and its use and functionality in the show are accurate. I think that this deserves a mention. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Doggonemess|Doggonemess]] ([[User talk:Doggonemess|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doggonemess|contribs]]) 13:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Have you read this section completely? "If a cultural reference is genuinely significant it should be possible to find a reliable secondary source that supports that judgment." - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 14:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC) |
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== Missionary Pickup system == |
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By flying a small plane in a tight circle, a line can be dropped to the ground, to deliver and pickup items. See:- |
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http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/facts/helicopter.html |
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[[Special:Contributions/86.168.58.71|86.168.58.71]] ([[User talk:86.168.58.71|talk]]) 00:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC) |
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Also [[Nate Saint]] and [[Mission Aviation Fellowship]] |
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[[Special:Contributions/86.168.58.71|86.168.58.71]] ([[User talk:86.168.58.71|talk]]) 00:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC) |
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http://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/current/airmail-in-america/the-airplanes/stinson-reliant.html |
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[[Special:Contributions/86.168.58.71|86.168.58.71]] ([[User talk:86.168.58.71|talk]]) 00:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC) |
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== Almost a decade later... == |
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Almost a decade later...
Someone noticed back in 2006 that large blocks are verbatim copies from the cia.gov source. I'll have some time in a few days to help, but if anyone has time sooner, please feel free. Cheers, Older and ... well older (talk) 00:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
@Filas312: Per WP:MILPOP, you need a number of references that prove that this game's usage of this tech is notable. Elisfkc (talk) 20:19, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
The picture in "Development" should be the lede
I think the picture in the "development" section is the most illustrative picture. The article would be much more interesting with that picture at the top of the page. The current header photos are misleading, because they don't tell you anything about picking up people! I assumed the article was about catching the film from spy satellites because of the lede photos!
The problem is I can't figure out a way to do that without majorly changing the look, does anybody have any suggestions? Ninjalectual (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
WWII use
John Masters, in his second autobiographical book, The Road Past Mandalay, describes the pickup system that they, as chindits, relied on to return gliders and evacuate wounded. It could be a source for filling in some of the earlier history. There is not too much more to say, except that it was an essential component of the plan to operate behind Japanese lines. From what he said, it worked well until they were ordered to hold a fixed position, which allowed time for the Japanese forces to position large anti-aircraft guns, which made the aerial supply system untenable. --AJim (talk) 00:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Skyhook
What's the difference between the Fulton system, STARS and Skyhook? Thanks, Maikel (talk) 23:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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