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Where is it written that Raj era sources cannot be used? Removed your vandalism, please desist from vandalism. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:A.A Ghatge|A.A Ghatge]] ([[User talk:A.A Ghatge#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A.A Ghatge|contribs]]) 07:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Where is it written that Raj era sources cannot be used? Removed your vandalism, please desist from vandalism. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:A.A Ghatge|A.A Ghatge]] ([[User talk:A.A Ghatge#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A.A Ghatge|contribs]]) 07:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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{{ping|A.A Ghatge}} For historical material, you should only use contemporary academic sources. If you can't find a contemporary source, that usually means that the material is not a conclusion drawn by a historian. historiography is not static, and old sources are not reliable. In particular, raj era sources are suspect because, in most cases, the writers were not historians and were likely using very little data to arrive at their conclusions. Hope this clarifies things. Also, please try to add talk page comments at the bottom of the page and properly sectioned. Note also that labeling good faith edits as vandalism is not a path you want to travel down. Best. --[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 21:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC) |
{{ping|A.A Ghatge}} For historical material, you should only use contemporary academic sources. If you can't find a contemporary source, that usually means that the material is not a conclusion drawn by a historian. historiography is not static, and old sources are not reliable. In particular, raj era sources are suspect because, in most cases, the writers were not historians and were likely using very little data to arrive at their conclusions. Hope this clarifies things. Also, please try to add talk page comments at the bottom of the page and properly sectioned. Note also that labeling good faith edits as vandalism is not a path you want to travel down. Best. --[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 21:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Possible 3rr violation by IP? == |
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What are your thoughts on IP editor [[Special:Contributions/73.32.6.120|73.32.6.120]]'s latest edit-warring spree on page [[Raghupati Raghava Raja Ram]]? Is it a possible 3rr violation? If so I will open a thread at [[WP:AN3]] --[[User:DL6443|<span style="background:white; color:#008aed;">'''DL'''</span>]][[User talk:DL6443|<span style="background:#008aed; color:white;">'''6443'''</span>]] 01:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|DL6443}} I saw that you mentioned me. Breaking 3RR is when there are more than three reverts (four or more) in a 24 hour time period. The IP has reverted two times in the past 24h, so is not subject to 3RR violation, but you can still report them at [[WP:ANEW]] if you believe they have been edit warring. I think they have, they’re not providing any reasoning behind their reverts. Before you report them, know that '''your actions will be scrutinized as well'''. Some tips for you are: |
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:* If you have not warned them yet on [[User talk:73.32.6.120|their talk page]], do it '''ASAP''' by adding <code><nowiki>{{subst:uw-3rr}}</nowiki></code> to their talk page |
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:*Also - open a discussion on the [[Talk:Raghupati Raghava Raja Ram|article talk page]], mentioning them and asking to please stop |
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:*Keep a close eye on [[special:Contributions/73.32.6.120|their contributions]]. If you are on a web browser, just open a new tab to make sure you don’t lose it. If they do anything, keep track of it |
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:The reverts happened around 24 hours ago, so you can’t report them for 3RR unless they make 4 reverts in 24h on a page. I hope this helped! [[User:Doggy54321|D🐶ggy54321]] <sup>([[User talk:Doggy54321|let's chat!]])</sup> 01:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{re|Doggy54321}} Thanks for the info. However, just want to put out there that the reverts occurred less than an hour ago by the same IP mentioned above. <small>And also as a side note, the ping probably happened due to a syntax error that accidentally transcluded the entire AN3 page onto this talk page.</small> --[[User:DL6443|<span style="background:white; color:#008aed;">'''DL'''</span>]][[User talk:DL6443|<span style="background:#008aed; color:white;">'''6443'''</span>]] 02:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|DL6443}} ahahahahaa, glad that the syntax error happened 😊😊. Sorry, my pea brain thought the reverts happened 24h ago, my bad. If they revert on that page anytime in the next 24h you can report them. You could also report right now as it is evident that they are edit warring. [[User:Doggy54321|D🐶ggy54321]] <sup>([[User talk:Doggy54321|let's chat!]])</sup> 02:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Sock of [[:User:ChitranshYasharth896]] I've blocked them but the page probably needs semi-protecting.--[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 02:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::: @[[User:DL6443]], can't seem to figure out why someone mentioned me in this page, and where... [[User:Edion Petriti|Edion Petriti]] ([[User talk:Edion Petriti|talk]]) 07:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::{{re|Edion Petriti}} Apologies. There was a syntax error which accidentally transcluded the entire AN3 noticeboard onto this page, sending out pings to everyone on it. --[[User:DL6443|<span style="background:white; color:#008aed;">'''DL'''</span>]][[User talk:DL6443|<span style="background:#008aed; color:white;">'''6443'''</span>]] 07:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::: (y), No problem. [[User:Edion Petriti|Edion Petriti]] ([[User talk:Edion Petriti|talk]]) 07:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
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Sir i have followed all rhe guidelines while creating it and a user called simon is repeatedly nomination it for delition under G11 criteria . Last time it was deleted without a discussion on whether to keep it or not . I reimproved and i don't think any violation of WP:Pov is here. ALSO ALL SOurces are third party secondary sources but it seems deleting admin also got confused . This time also the particular user has wrote on the talk page of same admin for delition.what to do? This is like spoiling hard works of others.Heba Aisha (talk) 17:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see a deletion. Was the article title different? --RegentsPark (comment) 17:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes it was Heba Aisha (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- It would help if you told me what that title was. --RegentsPark (comment) 17:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it was National Action Plan on Climate Change (India). Usually admins are not aware with a particular topic if they don't have knowledge in that area. And as G11 is speedy delition criteria they deleted without any talk. But, this is a program of Government of India and similar articles exist on wiki example National Solar Mission and i have used 3rd party secondary sources so no issue of WP:POV and conflict of interest. I have recreated it with further improvements and i am worried that it wouldbe deleted too as the same guy have put a message on talk page of same admin regarding that.Heba Aisha (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'll take a look. Generally, it isn't a good idea to recreate a deleted article under a different name and it is always a good idea to let the deleting admin know that you've recreated it. --RegentsPark (comment) 18:07, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it was National Action Plan on Climate Change (India). Usually admins are not aware with a particular topic if they don't have knowledge in that area. And as G11 is speedy delition criteria they deleted without any talk. But, this is a program of Government of India and similar articles exist on wiki example National Solar Mission and i have used 3rd party secondary sources so no issue of WP:POV and conflict of interest. I have recreated it with further improvements and i am worried that it wouldbe deleted too as the same guy have put a message on talk page of same admin regarding that.Heba Aisha (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have put a message on his talk page...the deliting admin HickoryOughtShirt?4 . BTW I have changed many things like intro and look whole changed.Heba Aisha (talk) 18:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- It doesn't look that different to me (the original and the new one). But, the article itself is problematic since it reads more like a publicity brochure on the plan than a content substantial one. You probably want to rewrite it completely using more secondary sources and dropping most of the primary sources you're using. Since the plan was apparently started in 2008, there should be quite a few secondary sources that talk about how successful or not the plan is (assuming the government hasn't forgotten all about it). In its current state, if it survives G11, it will almost certainly be deleted at WP:AFD. --RegentsPark (comment) 18:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- ok.....that's y i want a maintenance tag on it rather than deletion. Heba Aisha (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Indopaedia
Hi. I notice a one week block, and that's up to you. However you're welcome to peruse my activity in the last 30 minutes if you want some more (CU confirmed) information. -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- OK, scrap that, I've seen enough. Indef'd. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Likely a few more sitting around waiting. --RegentsPark (comment) 16:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Help needed.
Hi RegentsPark, I added some info on Seuna (Yadava) dynasty page and someone removed it without particularly pointing to any specific issue. What was wrong with the content or its reference? Please take a look at this removal. HinduKshatrana (talk) 22:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have no idea whether your edits are good or why it was removed. Best to discuss it on the talk page and see what happens. Explain why your sources are good and why the content is necessary. If you don't get a response in a few days, you can add it back. If there is a discussion, then, hopefully, there will be consensus. --RegentsPark (comment) 16:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hi @RegentsPark:, it's been days since anyone has joined the talks on the Seuna (Yadava) dynasty page so I've re-added back the information that was reverted. HinduKshatrana (talk) 10:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've added the page to my watch list. Let's see what happens. --RegentsPark (comment) 11:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hi @RegentsPark:, it's been days since anyone has joined the talks on the Seuna (Yadava) dynasty page so I've re-added back the information that was reverted. HinduKshatrana (talk) 10:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Same content
But two articles Satsang (Deoghar) and Satsang Ashram. Wikifulness (talk) 16:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- They look a bit different. One appears to be on the philopsophy of the cult and the other on its organizational structure. If you think two articles are not necessary, you should propose a merger.--RegentsPark (comment) 17:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
List of Brahmin dynasties and states
Hi sir, Saw your activities and i think you have done what i did if this had been ur subject area. The article had some fake sources and many states included in list had no article on wikipedia so as per WP:WTAF i have done some clean up. It will need time to check whether all other state mentioned are brahman states or not as i m doubtful after seeing the Gupta empire in the list. But i will verify when get time. If you find any issues with my edits plz notify me. Heba Aisha (talk) 03:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- Looks like cruft to me. Best course forward, remove everything that is unsourced and wait for the dust to settle! --RegentsPark (comment) 17:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
User (Dinesh2069 (talk))
Hello Regents park, the above user is not listening to neither "Admin Bishonen" words nor my words. Take a look at this edit [1]. User is using words like 'beg' for characters like Indra- king of Gods without any sources. He claimed that we were hurting religious sentiments but the user himself is doing that. This violates wikipedia's 'neutral' policy. He also added words like 'great danveer' to elevate a character without proofs or sources. This shows that he is fan of character Karna. This can be called as fan boy vandalism. The most important thing is he is editing in a wrong way even after being warned. I request you to look into this carefully as admin "Bishonen" already gave him final warning. Also please look my latest edit over his talk page and please tell me whether I did correct or not. [2], this user seems to be little rude as you can see his latest edit. [3]. I don't have any personal enimity with him. But he is not editing properly. Admin Bishonen also gave him final warning and asked me to report if he persistently edits in a wrong way even after warning. I already informed her. She told me that she is unaware of religious matters. Hence I'm reporting you so that you would take some action on him. He had record of disruptive editing and vandalism. He was warned for disruption in many articles like Bhima. I checked his talk page as well. Kindly look into this seriously as his editing in talkpage also seems to be rude and vulgar. Thank you and have a nice day. Fire star on heat (talk) 02:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Looks like the user hasn't contributed for a bit. Let's wait and see. --RegentsPark (comment) 17:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes. I'm just bringing this to your notice Fire star on heat (talk) 02:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Edit warring
Disruptive editing/edit warring on Raghu Pati Raghav. Can you please temp lock the page? 2001:4898:80E8:F:7221:D2E1:2763:9AB1 (talk) 22:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hi. It doesn't look like the edit warring is continuing. If it restarts, let me know or report it at WP:AN3 or WP:RFPP. --RegentsPark (comment) 00:22, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Disruption after block expiry
Syed Aashir (talk · contribs) has continued making the same edits that you blocked him for and, now, continues to be disruptive on other articles. User has been unresponsive and shows no willingness to improve their edits. Can you please do something about it in you capacity as administrator? Harsher countermeasures are due. Idell (talk) 08:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Blocked again. Unless they figure out how to edit, they're headed for an indef block.--RegentsPark (comment) 15:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Citiation on Draft:Manoj Kumar Verma.
Hello sir,
Thanks for editing my article. I got a message that my senior in charge has provided many references after second submit, but some texts needs reference. I will probably provide the reference.
Regards, 🇮🇳DRCNSINDIA (talk) 08:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Mughal Maratha Wars
Mughal-Marathas War Where is it written that Raj era sources cannot be used? Removed your vandalism, please desist from vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.A Ghatge (talk • contribs) 07:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC) @A.A Ghatge: For historical material, you should only use contemporary academic sources. If you can't find a contemporary source, that usually means that the material is not a conclusion drawn by a historian. historiography is not static, and old sources are not reliable. In particular, raj era sources are suspect because, in most cases, the writers were not historians and were likely using very little data to arrive at their conclusions. Hope this clarifies things. Also, please try to add talk page comments at the bottom of the page and properly sectioned. Note also that labeling good faith edits as vandalism is not a path you want to travel down. Best. --RegentsPark (comment) 21:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Possible 3rr violation by IP?
What are your thoughts on IP editor 73.32.6.120's latest edit-warring spree on page Raghupati Raghava Raja Ram? Is it a possible 3rr violation? If so I will open a thread at WP:AN3 --DL6443 01:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @DL6443: I saw that you mentioned me. Breaking 3RR is when there are more than three reverts (four or more) in a 24 hour time period. The IP has reverted two times in the past 24h, so is not subject to 3RR violation, but you can still report them at WP:ANEW if you believe they have been edit warring. I think they have, they’re not providing any reasoning behind their reverts. Before you report them, know that your actions will be scrutinized as well. Some tips for you are:
- If you have not warned them yet on their talk page, do it ASAP by adding
{{subst:uw-3rr}}
to their talk page - Also - open a discussion on the article talk page, mentioning them and asking to please stop
- Keep a close eye on their contributions. If you are on a web browser, just open a new tab to make sure you don’t lose it. If they do anything, keep track of it
- If you have not warned them yet on their talk page, do it ASAP by adding
- The reverts happened around 24 hours ago, so you can’t report them for 3RR unless they make 4 reverts in 24h on a page. I hope this helped! D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 01:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Doggy54321: Thanks for the info. However, just want to put out there that the reverts occurred less than an hour ago by the same IP mentioned above. And also as a side note, the ping probably happened due to a syntax error that accidentally transcluded the entire AN3 page onto this talk page. --DL6443 02:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @DL6443: ahahahahaa, glad that the syntax error happened 😊😊. Sorry, my pea brain thought the reverts happened 24h ago, my bad. If they revert on that page anytime in the next 24h you can report them. You could also report right now as it is evident that they are edit warring. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 02:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Sock of User:ChitranshYasharth896 I've blocked them but the page probably needs semi-protecting.--RegentsPark (comment) 02:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @User:DL6443, can't seem to figure out why someone mentioned me in this page, and where... Edion Petriti (talk) 07:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Edion Petriti: Apologies. There was a syntax error which accidentally transcluded the entire AN3 noticeboard onto this page, sending out pings to everyone on it. --DL6443 07:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- (y), No problem. Edion Petriti (talk) 07:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Edion Petriti: Apologies. There was a syntax error which accidentally transcluded the entire AN3 noticeboard onto this page, sending out pings to everyone on it. --DL6443 07:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @User:DL6443, can't seem to figure out why someone mentioned me in this page, and where... Edion Petriti (talk) 07:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Sock of User:ChitranshYasharth896 I've blocked them but the page probably needs semi-protecting.--RegentsPark (comment) 02:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @DL6443: ahahahahaa, glad that the syntax error happened 😊😊. Sorry, my pea brain thought the reverts happened 24h ago, my bad. If they revert on that page anytime in the next 24h you can report them. You could also report right now as it is evident that they are edit warring. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 02:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Doggy54321: Thanks for the info. However, just want to put out there that the reverts occurred less than an hour ago by the same IP mentioned above. And also as a side note, the ping probably happened due to a syntax error that accidentally transcluded the entire AN3 page onto this talk page. --DL6443 02:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)