Talk:Falling-sand game

Powder Game

Dan-Ball's powder game is not part of the falling sand project. From my research, there is no falling sand project called "Powder Game." If I am wrong, I'd like there to be an external link in the article, but until then, Powder Game stays off the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Izacque (talk • contribs) 23:17, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I dont see the difference between "List of Games" and "list of Similar Games". Does anyone else think they should be merged? F1racer101 (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

This article is about falling sand games, not just Powder Toy.

Looking through the article, a lot of the information seems to be specific to The Powder Toy, and it also looks like all original research. flarn2006 [u t c] time: 05:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

After Reading this ^, go back up to the "Biased", No section near the top and read that, or again if you already have.

The main reason for it being based mostly around The Powder Toy is because it is the best example of a Falling Sand game, or at least the most present one. If there are others that will work just as well, use them as well. KydonShadow 16:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

"Biased"? No

The powder game is the shit and anyone who says otherwise is gay;

That's not very nice - please be more helpful Strawkipedia (talk) 09:59, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Major changes

I took the effort of simplifying much of the article and removing a paragraph that was biased towards The Powder Toy. However, I'm incredibly lazy and probably won't finish citing everything and making links until later(or never).

--207.179.240.230 (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• This was not the right thing to do... KydonShadow 16:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kydon Shadow (talk • contribs)

Get this back up!

This was once a mighty article, but is has now been reduced to a measly "Stub." Please, is there some way to get it back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.29.165 (talk) 22:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I will re-add the information that was there before. Bud Charles (talk) 09:29, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

waited for months, and no one did it, so I did it myself, also warned the user that did it ~ Smellymoo 14:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

reverted

This has the potential to be a good article, I believe.

This, until some years ago was a huge article. It was deleted by someone. --<The Integer Conundrum> (talk) 09:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

A contributor account removed much of the information here, along with other people. I do believe that that was not the right thing to do, as it cut out much of the information that was here. I believe I have, however, gotten it back to at least a start class article, instead of a stub.KydonShadow 19:29, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Does wikipedia not contain archives of this stuff?

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Examples to add

add any suggestions for missing games here.

PowderGdi

Is it a falling-sand game?

http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3662 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.14.132.59 (talk) 05:49, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Noita (video game)

A newly released indie roguelike/"rogue lite" game has come out called Noita, it seems to be heavily based on the physics of the falling sand game.

It probably deserves a mention here somewhere, as well as it's own article.

You basically play a wizard and use a wand to descend deeper into a dungeon killing enemies with wands and spells you pick up, every particle is simulated in a similar fashion to the falling sand game, with fire, oil, water, gas etc, it combines elements such as water putting out fire, conducting electricity, turning to steam. Oil being flammable, poisons vaporising in heat and filling chambers with gas etc..

I don't know how to fit it in here without it seeming like a biased promotion for the game (for the record I don't have any affiliation to the devs nor have I even purchased or played the game personally, just watched it being played by my housemate and on twitch).

219.90.192.25 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree, Notia is a good example of a falling-sand physics engine, but it also has extra elements making it a hybrid. I think it should be included. ~ Smellymoo 14:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

burning sands 1 & 2

http://siebn.de/games/bs

sand:box

if powder toy is included (mainly because it has secondary citations proving it's notoriety) but only has 1 million installs, then sandbox should be included as it has 40 million installs ~ Smellymoo 16:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

As discussed on my talk, you have a WP:COI, and 40 million downloads counts nil toward notability. Alongside that, you're only looking at TPT's android download count, and the actual total is simply unknown. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 19:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree moonythedwarf. You are right. Been looking for evidence of notability, this is what I have:

1. https://elpais.com/tecnologia/2018/01/18/actualidad/1516291342_183045.html - El País The best-selling National newspaper in Spain. That has to count.
2. https://techigem.com/free-apps-without-ads/ - "10 Best Free Apps Without Ads 2021".

~ Smellymoo 22:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

highlighted image

Consider citing the source of the save shown?

The save shown here is a save from the Powder Toy's save server. Should the original author of the save be named, or at least cited?

For reference, that is save 2198 by dima-gord, and it is the #1 most upvoted save on The Powder Toy (According to the ranking provided by the saveserver). MoonyTheDwarf (talk) 06:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

better representative image

As this page is for the genre of falling sand games, I suggest we use an image from the orginal falling sand game, which would be more instantly reconisable and sum up the page better, for example the 4 streams of water, oil, sand and salt that is iconic. ~ Smellymoo 14:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

History

which game was first? I can't find any proof that the Japanese game was first, I always thought "falling sand game" was first? 14:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

after digging, the Japanese version was first for the web, but as Moonythedwarf pointed out, there are older games, has anyone got any idea which was first? ~ Smellymoo 14:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit Request

Requested edits:

• Add citation of the creator of the image used as an example of a Falling Sand Game. It is The Powder Toy save 2198
• Source in information on The Sandbox 2 (The Sandbox: Evolution). This includes information on the save server, it's features, and it's notability. The Sandbox 2 has a similar issue, but the home page is here: https://www.thesandbox2.com/home
• Include information on The Powder Game's multiparticle objects, like BALL. The Powder Game doesn't have any real reference sources, so the best I could get was a link to it: https://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/dust/
• Mention The Powder Toy's most well known mod, Jacob1's mod, and note that it adds multiparticle objects to the game. This can be seen at http://powdertoy.co.uk/Discussions/Thread/View.html?Thread=11117 and https://github.com/jacob1/The-Powder-Toy/blob/c%2B%2B/README
• Describe The Powder Toy's stickmen. The player controlled stickmen have a square head with blue legs, and the AI controlled stickmen (Fighters) have a diamond shaped head, with the same legs as the player stickmen. This can be confirmed from The Powder Toy's wiki: http://powdertoy.co.uk/Wiki/enwiki/w/Element:STKM.html http://powdertoy.co.uk/Wiki/enwiki/w/Element:FIGH.html and ingame.
• Consider mentioning The Powder Toy has official (as in, supported by the game's developers) support for multiplayer in the form of the TPTMP script for the game, as seen at http://powdertoy.co.uk/Discussions/Thread/View.html?Thread=18198&PageNum=0#Message=260628 (Low/little priority, just a thought)

MoonyTheDwarf (talk) 06:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Declined. Additionally, the proposal to "Add citation of the creator of the image" is not clear what is desired to be done. If you're referring to the image file itself, citations which are used in an article's text are not used with images. Please elaborate and advise. Kindly open a new edit request template when you're ready to proceed. Thank you! Spintendo      09:59, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

remove warnings

The "primary sources" and "original research" warnings should no longer applicable. As all the citations have been through the blender and the text in history is now generally cited. Can you check MoonyTheDwarf, thanks ~ Smellymoo 22:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Historical Background and research

   I see no references on the talk page to what I am about to say, so here are my two cents. First of all, all of these "falling-sand" are basically cellular automata. D_of_I, who created world of sand and hell of sand, created many other cellular automata games in the same vein before these, the first of which was 火消し砂. As his blog began getting more overseas traffic he began titling his games in English as well as Japanese, and eventually exclusively English. For example, すなめ世界 is world of sand.
   Now D_of_I was learning processing (at the time stylized as Pro55essing) and was using a alpha version of the program that contained many example programs (this is a later version that contains those programs but will be easier to run with modern java), some of which related to cellular automata. These cellular automata programs were written in 2002 and 2003 by Mike Davis, and are clearly what inspired D_of_I to make his various cellular automatons.
   Moving a few years forward, D_of_I relates how he introduced his friend ha55i to processing. Ha55i would go on to make powder game.
   And moving a few years back, there are many other examples of cellular automata programs in videogames and otherwise prior to the 2000's, here are some examples:

Mick West's Down Fall for the Atari ST Cellsman