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GA delist - article unclear, and not following sources closely enough

There is a good deal of information in the article - however, some of the language is not clear, or assumes prior knowledge of the album, its genre, and the impact it made. Sentences like: " N.W.A always enjoyed a particular reputation with U.S. Senators" assumes that the reader will know what that reputation is. The quote: "positioned Straight Outta Compton as the sound of the West Coast firing on New York's Fort Sumpter in what would become '90s culture's biggest Uncivil War" is similarly clear only to those who already know what is going on. There are few solid sources used in the article - the article depends largely on internet review sites, even though there are a number of books such as Rap Music and Street Consciousness by Cheryl L. Keyes, Icons of Hip Hop: An Encyclopedia of the Movement, Music, and Culture by Mickey Hess, Droppin Science by William Perkins, The Making of the American School Crisis by Emily E. Straus, as well as Dr. Dre: A Biography, and other books.

The lead has statements that are not fully supported by sources, and which are not followed up in the main body. The lead does not follow the guidance in WP:Lead. And there are further challengeable statements and quotes that are not supported by citations. The prose is not always as concise and clear as it could be: "Critics of the album expressed their view that the record glamorized Black-on-Black crime" could be written as: "Critics felt that the album glamorized Black-on-Black crime". (Is it usually written as "Black-on-Black crime"?).

The article doesn't meet GA criteria at the moment. It's possible that the article has slipped over the years, or just that GA standards have tightened. I think the article needs to be improved to keep the GA listing. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 08:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

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Reassessing. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Comments on GA criteria

Pass

Image of cover is appropriately tagged. It doesn't need a caption. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Stable. There's been some inappropriate IP edits, but not enough to make the article unstable. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ref section. There is an appropriate reference section. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:49, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Query

No original research and bias. Because some statements are not appropriately sourced it is unknown if these statements are original research or are biased. Once the article is securely sourced this query is likely to disappear. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Major aspects. Though there is material on Critical response, and there are assertions of the album's importance in the lead, I don't feel the article has adequately or appropriately explained to the general reader, supported by reliable sources, the importance or relevance of the album. I have put it here as a query, though I feel this aspect is quite probably a fail. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Focus. There is a lot of material on samples. The material does not explain the samples, merely lists them. This gives a feel of trivia or that the material has a low relevance. The material should either be removed or its relevance/importance explained to the general reader. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fail

Valid fair use rationales. There are three media files, though one song, "Straight Outta Compton", is not discussed at all, and the other two are not discussed in relation to the media file - "Fuck tha Police" is mentioned as being responsible for NWA's fame, and that it doesn't appear on the "Clean" album - but the music is not discussed, which is the point of the media file. The lyrics can be discussed without use of a media file, though the delivery of the lyrics, if appropriate, would benefit from a media file. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:27, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Prose. Prose is not "clear and concise". Needs a copyedit. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:50, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Mos: Lead. To meet GA criteria 1(b), which relates to specific manual of style guidelines, the article needs to comply with the advice in WP:LEAD. That is, in addition to being an introduction, the lead needs to be an adequate overview of the whole of the article. As a rough guide, each major section in the article should be represented with an appropriate summary in the lead. Also, the article should provide further details on all the things mentioned in the lead. And, the first few sentences should mention the most notable features of the article's subject - the essential facts that every reader should know. In addition, the lead should not contain important statements which are not also in the main body. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Citation to reliable sources. A number of statements need sourcing or better sourcing. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:59, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

On hold

Significant contributors and WikiProjects will be informed. GAR on hold for seven days to allow issues listed above to be addressed. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that is should be demoted. My only contributions were mostly to the reviews part, so I couldnt really address these issues as I have little grasp on the topic. Dan56 (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delist

There's been no response, so I am delisting. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 20:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Release date

A citation for the August 1988 release date, preferably a primary source from 1988, would be desirable. Ice Cube in a 2013 interview discussing Eazy E's EZ-Duz-It album said, "Yeah, that to me is, I think some release dates are not right...... Eazy came out '88, N.W.A came out early '89. That's how I remember it." Available reviews and mentions of Straight Outta Compton from 1988 seem to be scarce or non-existent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.120.54 (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A 1989 release date makes sense, because in this documentary I watched, Eazy mentioned an N.W.A album coming out in January, which clearly means that Straight Outta Compton was released in 1989. In another interview, Ice Cube said it dropped in 1989. 2602:306:BDA9:8610:C000:26FE:DFED:BDB2 (talk) 03:58, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article says it first charted in 1989 not 1988 which means something is up... I don't think it was down to when it's last single Express Yourself was released in 1989. Naue7 (talk) 05:40, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The copyright registration and the RIAA certification both state a release date of January 25, 1989. PatConolly (talk) 04:54, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 27 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: No move. We have strong consensus the film is too RECENT to usurp the album. This may be worth revisiting in the future. Cúchullain ^t/c 21:37, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– Hate to say it but the box-office success of Straight Outta Compton (film) means no one super-dominant topic now. the film now gets 4x the page views of the album, not enough to be Primary Topic, but enough to say that there no longer is any primary topic. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:51, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:RECENTISM unless you think Thor should also be a disambiguation page given the success of the 2011 film and the popularity of the Marvel character it stars. Calidum T|C 21:51, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Under normal circumstances anything that remotely smacks of WP:RECENTISM would be the last thing I'd propose. But just look at Straight_Outta_Compton_(film)#Box_office compared to the 1998 album reaching No.37 on the Billboard album chart. The 1998 album is unlikely to ever recover the absolute majority of page views given the success of the film. (a Norse god is more encylopedically notable than a film, an album is just another popular media product, hence the comparison between a deity and an album doesn't help). In ictu oculi (talk) 08:12, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about recovering the majority of the page views. The film is derivative of the album, which in the music world has long-term significance. From what I've seen poking around, it established gangsta rap as a musical genre and inspired many. It also established the West Coast on the rap scene. There are articles about this album on its anniversaries talking about its influence. I think that grants it the credibility to be the primary topic going forward. The movie was well-received, but its long-term significance is doubtful and certainly won't be established six months from now. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 07:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose since the album is the primary topic. To call it "just another popular media product" is to vastly undermine its long-term significance. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Along with WP:RECENTISM it should be noted that without the album the film would not exist. MarnetteD|Talk 22:33, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The film would still exist if the makers had gone with alternative title The N.W.A. Story and would still be getting 4x the hits of the album. But sure we can revisit this in 6 months to get past the recent. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the album is still the obvious primary topic. Unreal7 (talk) 15:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - a premature request likely triggered by this.--Retrohead (talk) 18:55, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – The film is not some easily forgotten blip. It is the all-time highest grossing music biopic and the all-time highest domestic grossing film from a black director in the United States, was #1 at the box office for several weeks running, received good reviews from critics, and has received numerous awards. It's not going away anytime soon. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No one is denying all that, but its long-term significance has yet to be established. The album has been around a lot longer, and its influence and legacy is reliably sourced. It is too soon to say anything like that for this film. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 00:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The film is hugely successful and clearly more people are looking for the film article than the album, as shown above. — Film Fan 20:51, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What about the album's long-term significance? Why should the usage of the article for a film, one that came out last year and just got released on disc the past month, override that criterion of the album's significance? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:57, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Overall, there is a rough consensus that the album is and remains the primary topic for the search term, despite the discrepancy with page views. Dekimasuよ! 13:52, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– The same suggestion was rejected two years ago, based on the idea that the film was too recent. At that time, the film had been out for less than six months. But now it is more than two years later, and the 90-day page view count for the film is still more than three times that of the album, despite the album being at the base name title. The film is also extremely notable. It ~~won~~ was nominated for an Academy Award and won or was nominated for many other major awards. The fame of that film is not going to fade away anytime soon. It should be very clear by now that the album is not a proper WP:primary topic for "Straight Outta Compton". —BarrelProof (talk) 19:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@In ictu oculi:, @Calidum:, @Erik:, @MarnetteD:, @Unreal7:, @Retrohead:, @Film Fan:, @Cuchullain: pings to those who participated in the previous RM discussion. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I disagree. Album still more notable to me. Unreal7 (talk) 19:54, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It may also be worth noting that the N.W.A album and the film are not the only topics involved in the question. Please see Straight Outta Compton (disambiguation) for additional topics. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose because the album still has greater long-term significance than the film (which was only nominated for an Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay, by the way). The album's continued significance is reflected recently here, here. There is no indication that the film was immediately influential or since its release, compared to the album's impact. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:56, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the error about the Academy Award – corrected with strikethrough above. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:02, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Album is still the primary subject and its fame has not been superseded. MarnetteD|Talk 20:06, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support by definition with the film having 3x page views of the album there is no longer a primarytopic. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you ignoring the album's long-term significance per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? Do you dispute that it has that over this film? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Erik: I'm not. BarrelProof is not proposing the film as PT either. We have here a classic split case where one article gets PT1, the other PT2. In that case neither is PT. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I added "N.W.A" to the suggested disambiguation in the proposal after noticing the other albums Straight Outta Compton: Music from the Motion Picture and Compton: A Soundtrack by Dr. Dre and Straight Outta Compton: N.W.A 10th Anniversary Tribute. I doubt that will change the minds of anyone who has commented so far. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:17, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Evidence of album's long-term significance:
- Los Angeles Times in 2017: "Of the many big bangs that have transformed rap over the decades, N.W.A’s 'Straight Outta Compton' is one of the loudest... With 'Straight Outta Compton,' N.W.A didn’t just manage to put its hood on the map, the group forced the world to pay attention to the rap sounds coming out of the West Coast. It’s an album that provided the soundtrack for agitated and restless black youth across America with its rough and raunchy tales of violent life in the inner city, expressed through razor-sharp lyrics."
- CBC in 2017: "First it became the basis for an Oscar-nominated movie. Now, Straight Outta Compton — the groundbreaking album from rap group N.W.A. and a one-time flashpoint in the nation's culture wars — has been selected for the prestigious U.S. National Recording Registry... Released in 1988, Straight Outta Compton influenced a generation of rappers with its raw lyrics about gang violence and the drug trade in south central Los Angeles.... It achieved platinum sales without radio airplay and captured the attention of white America. The incendiary track F--k tha Police was denounced by right-wing politicians and prompted a warning letter from the FBI to the group's record label... (more)."
- Grammy Hall of Fame in 2016: Album added

Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:07, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think nobody's saying the album doesn't have long-term significance – it clearly does. The question is whether it is overwhelmingly much more notable than the film and the other topics for disambiguation purposes. The film is also highly notable. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean by "notable" here, considering the way Wikipedia uses it. Do you just mean "popular"? I find that long-term significance trumps popularity here, especially when the film is derived from the album itself. The film has done well, but there's no indication that it outdoes the album in terms of enduring notability. A hundred years later, which topic matters more for the primary-topic slot? The evidence continues to point to the album. It won't be a surprise to anyone to arrive at the album's article. That's why I don't see the need for any rearrangement. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - no primary topic, although the film gets the most page views. — Film Fan 22:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The album's longterm significance is greater, and of course the film was named after the album (as were all the other topics listed). The two topics are obviously closely intertwined as well, so I really don't think anyone will be stunned when they land on the album page, it did come first after all. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above - the album's significance is far greater than the film, As the film was named after the album the album should still be the PRIMARYTOPIC here, This is an open & shut case tbh. –Davey2010^Talk 14:22, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Seminal album, barely notable film. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 14:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

However seminal we think the album is, to me it seems rather presumptuous of us to decide that something that gets less than 25% of the page views (and has remained that way for two and a half years) is a dominant WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Sorry bro, but in the big picture it was the album that got N.W.A. in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and made great impact on the rap genre. I don't think the hype about the biopic should be a reason to change the article's title.--Retrohead (talk) 10:30, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The title of the movie is lifted straight from the album. It has already been proven here that the album is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC with respect to long-term significance, and I doubt the movie has primary usage over the album. Waterco4 (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The album is still the most famous, by far. Binksternet (talk) 17:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The album is more important and more culturally significant. The amount of views is unimportant. Artix Kreiger (talk) 15:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Disambiguation makes more sense here; no primarytopic. Dicklyon (talk) 04:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Single ??

I've edited it out like three years ago, but now it's back again: "Singles from Straight Outta Compton 1. "Straight Outta Compton" Released: July 10, 1988". Moreover on the songs page: "It was released on July 10, 1988 as the lead single from their debut album of the same name. Format 7" 12" " Anyone seen such a single ??? I guess it would show up by now, after 20+ years of the internets? --SuccessBrandOil (talk) 13:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Possible correct release date

Hello there. Before we decide on changing the release date or leaving it the way it is, I did some research on what might be the most accurate release date for Straight Outta Compton. Even though some copies of the album have 1988 printed as the date of copyright, one article from Cash Box (dated May 27, 1989) says "Less than six weeks after its release under the agreement, N.W.A.'s Straight Outta Compton album was certified gold..." and RIAA's website claims the album was certified gold on April 13, 1989, and released on January 25th of that year. Another reason 1989 could be the correct year of release is there are no press articles from 1988 I could find mentioning the album, and Ice Cube even said in one interview that Eazy-E's solo album Eazy-Duz-It was released first and then the N.W.A. album came out second. It's a mystery why and how it took over six-to-eight months (between August 1988 and April 1989) for Straight Outta Compton to be recognized when they already had one album (N.W.A and the Posse) that enjoyed some chatting success in at least 1988 on the Billboard charts. The fact Straight Outta Compton was released independently or had at least one track that gained controversy (Fuck Tha Police) probably had to do with this. Feel free to leave a response. 172.58.38.240 (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps any, in the book The History of Gangsta Rap by Soren Baker, the album is stated to have been "released in its original form" on August 8, 1988. I had similar issues with confirming release information on Eazy-E's debut album. You have to remember that these were all kind of album that just surprisingly went big from relatively underground groups in a very new form of music. There wasn't a big song and dance for these albums initially. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This queer Andrez will give anyone trouble over the release date regarding Eazy Duz It. However, the release date of SOC is correct. The original 1988 release of SOC were in cassette and vinyl. The CD release was released months later.

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 Hello there. Before we decide on changing the release date or leaving it the way it is, I did some research on what might be the most accurate release date for Straight Outta Compton. Even though some copies of the album have 1988 printed as the date of copyright, [https://archive.org/details/cashbox52unse_43/page/10/mode/2up?q=%22straight+outta+compton%22 one article] from Cash Box (dated May 27, 1989) says "Less than six weeks after its release under the agreement, N.W.A.'s Straight Outta Compton album was certified gold..." and [https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=N.W.A&ti=&lab=&genre=&format=&date_option=release&from=&to=&award=&type=&category=&adv=SEARCH#search_section RIAA's website] claims the album was certified gold on April 13, 1989, and released on January 25th of that year. Another reason 1989 could be the correct year of release is there are no press articles from 1988 I could find mentioning the album, and Ice Cube even said in [https://amp.www.complex.com/music/2013/09/ice-cube-interview-easy-e one interview] that Eazy-E's solo album Eazy-Duz-It was released first and then the N.W.A. album came out second. It's a mystery why and how it took over six-to-eight months (between August 1988 and April 1989) for Straight Outta Compton to be recognized when they already had one album (N.W.A and the Posse) that enjoyed some chatting success in at least 1988 on the Billboard charts. The fact Straight Outta Compton was released independently or had at least one track that gained controversy (Fuck Tha Police) probably had to do with this. Feel free to leave a response. [[Special:Contributions/172.58.38.240|172.58.38.240]] ([[User talk:172.58.38.240|talk]]) 19:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 :If it helps any, in the book ''The History of Gangsta Rap'' by Soren Baker, the album is stated to have been "released in its original form" on August 8, 1988. I had similar issues with confirming release information on Eazy-E's debut album. You have to remember that these were all kind of album that just surprisingly went big from relatively underground groups in a very new form of music. There wasn't a big song and dance for these albums initially. [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 13:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
+::This queer Andrez will give anyone trouble over the release date regarding Eazy Duz It. However, the release date of SOC is correct. The original 1988 release of SOC were in cassette and vinyl. The CD release was released months later.