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Is Press Trust of India an independent source?

My first instinct is that it isn't. Actually I was picking some pages to do from Women in Red project and noticed this politician from Odisha. There is a news at multiple publications but it is credited to PTI. Does this count as independent and reliable? See this [2], [3]

Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 10:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Nomadicghumakkad. My intuition is that it's reliable and not paid-for content, but your best bet is asking this at WP:RSN to get a solid answer. There's currently questions being raised about another press agency, Asian News International, too. Also, please post new questions at the bottom, I noticed this thread by chance. Kind regards and happy editing, Zindor (talk) 17:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Using physical newspaper as sources

Hello, I was editing a draft and I noticed that someone had cited a cutting of a newspaper as a post on Instagram. See this here [4]. My question: is it the right way to source physical newspapers coverages for which no link is available? If no, what is the right way? Or they can't be used at all? Thank you.

Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad. It is acceptable to cite a newspaper article that is not available online, but you should not link to a copy that is not from the newspaper's website. That is a copyright violation. The reference should include the article title, the author, the name of the newspaper, the city if not part of the newspaper's name, the page number and the date of publication. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I am not using it. I mean if someone has used it, you can't really verify it unless you have access to the newspaper copy which would be rarely possible. Very helpful though. Thanks!

Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding a category

Categories for an article. Hello. How do I add another category at the bottom of an article that I have updated with new information? The article already has 4 categories. They are all valid, but it really belongs in at least one more. Thanks for your help. DP1944 (talk) 16:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

DP1944, see Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization#How_do_I_add_an_article_to_a_category?. Or, if you're using Wikipedia:VisualEditor, click edit and then click in the category field at the bottom of the article, you get a helpful pop-up window. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help DP1944 (talk) 19:08, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Icelandic people categories

Hi, I started by changing for example Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) players but stopped, as I'm not sure whether to use surname or firstname. Also on templates for example Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) players, should Icelandic templates be forename or surname...GrahamHardy (talk)

Hello, GrahamHardy. Nearly all Icelanders do not have a surname, but a patro/matro-nymic. See MOS:PATRONYMIC for how to handle this in general, and WP:SUR for categories. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) players is an Icelandic category but contains more non-icelanders than icelanders, so shall I use surname or forename, as is the same for Icelandic football teams, there are more non-Icelanders than Icelanders... Any thoughts, my inclination is to use forenames rather than surnames...GrahamHardy (talk) 22:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Am I OK to use forenames? GrahamHardy (talk) 00:55, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy: See Wikipedia:WikiProject Iceland/Style_advice#Sorting. Icelandic names are sorted just like other Western names. At the end of every article, there should be a DEFAULTSORT value like {{DEFAULTSORT:Indridason, Arnaldur}}, and the categories will be sorted like so. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

The issue is with categories is with Icelandic templates and categories; sometimes there are more than non-Icelandic people, for example the above categories and template: Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) players & Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) players: should I use forenames, surnames or a mix of both ?, happy to raise with Wikiproject Iceland...GrahamHardy (talk) 09:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding page/article on Wikipedia?

How can I add a page/article on Wikipedia myself? Do I need to pay? 2071mall (talk) 05:31, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@2071mall: You should not write a Wikipedia page about yourself (see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY). One of the core policies at Wikipedia is a neutral point of view, and it is very hard to write about yourself strictly from a neutral perspective. You can't pay us to let that happen either. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 05:51, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@2071mall: Take the time to read Help:Your first article thoroughly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Actually, this user wants to know how to add an article to Wikipedia. --Uptherial (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Text logo free use

Good morning Teahouse superstars. I have been working in my sandbox on a page about Shiji Group, a pretty massive international company somehow missing from our great encyclopedia. One of our super admins made some great suggestions about the content and especially how I should go about using images, but I am still somewhat lost.

I have been (sort of) using Wyndham Hotels & Resorts, Inc. as a template, and discovered the logos there were uploaded at Public Domain on account of being "simple geometric shapes or text".

I'm feeling pretty dense right now, but I cannot figure out if I should upload the logo from a link I was given by a LinkedIn associate who works with the company. I've tried to contact Shiji communications will no response. I am wondering if I should just finish the page and submit, or pursue the image issue beforehand?

Please, can you guys offer me some direction here? Philbutler (talk) 09:45, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Philbutler. The general principles are explained at WP:LOGOS, which covers the process for even non-free logos. Note that non-free images are only allowed in Main Space articles, not in sandboxes and drafts, so leave this until later. The logo will not be relevant to the notability of the company, which is the main issue in getting the article accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Philbutler. Adding an image to the draft you’re working on in your sandbox will not affect whether the draft is ultimately accepted per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies); so, often it’s best to wait until a draft is approved before adding any images to it. Non-free content, in particular, can’t be used in drafts, and it will be removed and possibly even deleted if you try to do so.

As for this particular logo itself, however, even though it does seem too simple to be eligible for copyright protection in the United States (where the Wikimedia Foundation’s servers are located), things aren’t as clear cut with respect to China (which is the country of origin); so, you might want to ask about this at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright before trying to upload the file to Wikipedia Commons under a public domain license. In order for Commons to keep such a file it would need to be considered public domain in both the United States and China, or it would need to be released by the copyright holder under an acceptable free license. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:46, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the help Mike Turnbull and Marchjuly, I so appreciate the advise. I will do as you have suggested. For some reason, I thought the draft page needed to be absolutely complete. Philbutler (talk) 08:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry Case

I am sure User:Humanerror99 & User:Sleepyfish88 are same person. What to do now? Sonofstar (talk) 15:30, 27 January 2021 (UTC) Sonofstar (talk) 15:30, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sonofstar: I reported them at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Humanerror99. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Rotideypoc41352 I suggest withdrawing the Sock investigation. In an Edit summary at Thrasio, there is a statement "I wrote the content and created page from my official account which I later realized and then used my current personal profile to create and publish page." Having two accounts is allowed as long as not used to edit the same articles or Talk pages. The edit histories of the two accounts show no overlap except at Thrasio. David notMD (talk) 15:57, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: ? I must be missing the part of WP:VALIDALT you're referring to. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:04, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

In broad sense, I do not (yet) see sockpuppetry intent on the part of Jack/Joe's two accounts. Perhaps a better path would be to advise to stop using one of the accounts rather than pursue the SPI. David notMD (talk) 16:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sonofstar and David notMD: Has someone addressed the issue of ... created page from my official account which I later realized and then used my current personal profile ...? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Am I in an editing war?

Hi there! I'm having a back-and-forth series with an editor who is repeatedly reverting my edits.

Reached out to Teahouse in this archived thread, where two editors helped to restore some edits, and advised me to reach out to the editor to have a conversation on the subject's talk page here (I pinged him with no response), as well as the editor's User Talk page, where I also received no response, after multiple attempts. Trying to remain positive here, just unsure how to proceed? I really believe I am editorially improving the integrity of this stub as someone passionate about fashion history and brands. Is it possible to resolve this for the betterment of the page? Elp1108 (talk) 20:10, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Article is Bally Shoe. Elp1108 declared not paid and not COI, but this statement is sort of buried on E's Talk page. E and GSS have been back and forth on this article since August 2020, with as of yet no serious attempt at hashing it out on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you David notMD – I heeded the very helpful advice you and other editors gave me from the previous thread and updated my User Page + reached out to GSS by pinging him on the Bally Shoe talk page and also on his User Talk page a few times, which he finally responded to yesterday, but doesn't seem open to conversation. I've been told by him to wait for a response and will do so accordingly. Elp1108 (talk) 14:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Elp1108 Patience is a good trait. David notMD (talk) 14:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Manning formula is wrong

On wiki-Manning_formula, the equation is not equal to the cross-sectional average velocity (V), but FLOW in terms of ft^3/s. Velocity is derived afterwards with the area found in the hydraulic radius 2603:6080:3207:B03C:0:0:0:1000 (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

If you spot an error or have a suggestion for an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

In this case, that means discussing your concerns to Talk:Manning formula (or adding to an existing relevant discussion there). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Not sure where to ask/inform about a needed change of info on a page...

Hi, not sure how to make a change on a page, but I see incorrect information which needs to be corrected. On the page for Mt. Everest here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Everest#Death_zone Under the subsection titled "Death Zone" a sentence in one paragraph is as follows "Travelling above 8,000 feet altitude..." This is incorrect, as it should read "8,000 meters" instead. The "Death Zone" when discussing mountain climbing is 8,000 meters above sea level, not 8,000 feet, no matter which mountain you climb nor where you are in the world.

I hops the incorrect info cant be fixed. Thanks DJ 100.12.121.28 (talk) 23:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@100.12.121.28: Hi, DJ. The sentence is not incorrect: it's not specifically referring to Everest or the Death zone, but more generally to brain/cerebral hypoxia, and is cited to an authoritative publication which indeed states "Other possible causes of oxygen depletion include: . . . traveling to high altitudes (above 8,000 feet)."

It's sheer coincidence that the figure in feet for the lower threashold of this risk happens to be the same as that of the Death zone's 8000 meters, but it's understandable that it looks like an error. We have to quote the feet measurement because that's what the source does, but perhaps it would help to give a bracketed conversion to metres (2438.4 is the exact conversion, but this would be over-precise). It might also help if the overall paragraph was reworded. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.40.9 (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Susceptible individuals may experience symptoms of Altitude sickness when traveling rapidly from near sea level to elevations as low as 8000 feet. In California where I live, there are at least eight highway passes above 8,000 feet that can be reached from near sea level in very few hours of driving. If someone does that and gets out of their car for a casual hike, they may well experience symptoms of altitude sickness. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:30, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

• For this kind of stuff, the template {{convert}} is very useful; it also attempts to keep a reasonable number of significant figures. For instance: {{convert|8000|feet|m}} → 8,000 feet (2,400 m). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

"Project 88" page in draftspace

Hi folks at Teahouse. I am a new editor, or rather a rusty one. I just created a page for Project 88 and wanted to make sure it works for Wikipedia. I got a message from GPL93 (and don't quite know how to reply to them) saying "An article you recently created, Project 88, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources." However all the citations were and the new ones I have added are from reliable and independent sources. Do you think it is ready to publish? Here it is: Draft:Project_88. I don't know if you can see it on your end. I tried to publish it again but I am not sure it has been. Thank you so very much for your time and efforts. Caring Feminist (talk) 23:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Caring Feminist, not all reliable sources count toward establishing notability. For instance, trivial mentions such as the piece from The New Yorker are fine as references but don't help with notability. Could you share the three sources that you think contribute most to notability, per our general notability guideline? We can then give you feedback on them. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Sdkb, Thank you for your clear reply. So, notability is harder for institutions not in the West, because not everyone knows the newspapers out there which I have cited, but here are my 3 choices from reputed sources:

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/supplements/spice/story/20180115-galleries-project-88-democratised-and-dynamic-volte-gallery-1122666-2018-01-15 (this is like the Time Magazine of India)

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2012/mar/01/top-10-art-galleries-mumbai

http://travel.cnn.com/mumbai/play/mumbai-city-essentials/best-art-galleries-mumbai-863802/

Does this work? What would be the next steps. I want to add several contemporary Indian galleries of note (and especially those run by women) after I learn from this debacle, so any advice would be helpful. Thank you again note (and especially those run by women) after I finish this, so any advice would be helpful. Thank you again.

Project 88 notability issues

Sdkb, Thank you for your clear reply above. I am writing this here, because I wasn't sure if my reply would be read. You requested notability for Project 88, because the page was moved to my draft space by another editor.

So, notability is harder for institutions not in the West, because not everyone knows the newspapers out there which I have cited, but here are my 3 choices from reputed sources.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/supplements/spice/story/20180115-galleries-project-88-democratised-and-dynamic-volte-gallery-1122666-2018-01-15 (this is like the Time Magazine of India)

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2012/mar/01/top-10-art-galleries-mumbai

http://travel.cnn.com/mumbai/play/mumbai-city-essentials/best-art-galleries-mumbai-863802/

Does this work? What would be the next steps. I want to add several contemporary Indian galleries of note (and especially those run by women) after I learn from this debacle, so any advice would be helpful. Thank you again. Caring Feminist (talk) 05:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Project 88 TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

In the past 48 hours you have created (bypassing AfC) six articles about artists in addition to Project 88, three of whom are Wikilinked in Project 88: Neha Choksi, Rehaan Engineer and The Otolith Group. Some of your artist articles are being critiqued, and may not survive. Notability is not contagious - naming artists who have exhibited at Project 88 does not necessarily contribute to notability of the gallery. Likewise, naming shows where those artists have had work displayed (Choksi, Frieze London, 2011) does not contribute to the gallery's notability. David notMD (talk) 10:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Category Discussions

I'm very confused about the process of renaming, creating, moving, and deleting categories. I was under the impression that all these actions required discussion and consensus. I opened a discussion (here), and before any consensus was reached a random user started creating and moving the categories we were discussing without providing any input into the discussion and without even saying anything on the WikiProject talk page (I don't think they are even an active member of the WikiProject). The actions they took also further confused people in the discussion who hadn't understood what I was trying to do.

I was wondering if this user is allowed to move and create categories on a whim then am I allowed to as well? Can I ignore the discussion I opened and simply make the changes I intended to make despite the fact that I seemed to only receive opposition? And if so, what happens when I disagree with how they are organizing the categories? I can see something like this very quickly devolving into an edit war. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:39, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

TipsyElephant, category changes can be fairly disruptive, so while I don't know the specifics of the situation you're describing and don't dabble in categories too much myself, I'd think editors would be expected to discuss before making mass edits. I'd ping the editor or post on their talk page to try to get them to engage and explain their actions, and if they don't and keep making them, then it'd be time to consider escalating. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sdkb: I decided to just ask them why they were doing it in the discussion and they responded by saying that, "No discussion is required for creating categories, though whether they are kept or deleted is a matter of consensus. Removing categories from Category:Speculative fiction podcasts would also remove them from the wider category tree for speculative fiction, which is probably ill-advised."

But now they saying that my nomination is out of date because of a parent category that they were responsible for creating without any discussion or consensus and they are recommending that I nominate that parent category for merging, which would result in everything being exactly the same as it was before I created the original nomination in the first place. I'm not sure what the rules are here, but if I go through that lengthy process then what's to stop them from doing the exact same thing to make my nomination obsolete again and force me to go through the process all over again. To be honest I'm having trouble assuming good faith at this point. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Wiki's rules of English grammar

The rules of English grammar, particularly punctuation, and spelling vary according to preference and nationality. I am Anglo-Australian, and have a particular set of rules that I consider correct, but these sometimes differ from those evident in Wiki articles. I am also a keen proofreader / copy editor, and like to correct errors when I come across them, in the interests of maintaining Wiki's high standard as an educational tool. Where can I find the set of rules for English grammar and spelling that Wiki has adopted? Harry Audus (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Harry Audus: It will depend on the article. Some use American English, some use British English, and some use another variant. Check out WP:ENGVAR and Comparison_of_American_and_British_English. I think that is what you are looking for. RudolfRed (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2021 (UTC) RudolfRed (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Harry Audus, you may also want to consult the Manual of Style from time to time, as Wikipedia occasionally departs from common professional writing styles.

Shameless plug: If you're interested in copy editing, you may be interested in the Guild of Copy Editors. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Harry Audus. For an overall view of these issues, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style. That is a guideline, not a policy. Please be aware that several styles and formats are allowed, so you should avoid trying to force changes to impose your own preferred style. As for national variations of English, please see National varieties of English. Briefly stated, Sydney should be written in Australian English, New York City should be written in American English, Toronto should be written in Canadian English, London should be written in British English and Mumbai should be written in Indian English. General articles such as Mathematics and Philosophy should be written in the variety of English established by the original editor who began writing the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. I've started a new thread in Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations#Abbreviation_and_acronym_discussions_ongoing.

@Tenryuu 🐲, I may well be interested.

Harry Audus (talk) 04:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Harry Audus: See specifically MOS:PUNCT as one of those areas of the MoS where there is a lot of potential for difference between styles. Dashes, dates, "straight" quote marks, "logical quotation", and "serial commas" come to mind. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Can I remove redirect and start working on spearate, higher level page?

Hi team,

A newbie here so I thought I ask before making mess.

I've noticed that Deprivation index page redirects to Multiple deprivation index. The latter can be understood as particular example of the former. I would like to build a bit of content around first page. Can I simply delete redirect and start doing so? Of course the page on MDI will be linked to the new page.

Thanks! 2A02:AA10:E281:FD80:3559:2E95:8C7C:39FC (talk) 08:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. You could do that, but since writing a new article (which is what you are proposing) is about the most difficult task there is for an inexperienced editor, I would advise you not to go straight at it.

Furthermore, if you look at Talk:Multiple deprivation index, you'll see that Deprivation index was a separate article until two years ago, when it was merged with the MDI article after a discussion. You need to read that discussion (there is a link to it on that talk page). If you think that you have new information or a different perspective that now justifies a separate article, you need to open a discussion on the MDI talk page, referencing the previous discussion, and explaining why you think it should be reversed. If you persuade other editors, some of them will probably work with you.

If you are going to take my suggestion and open a discussion, I strongly suggest that you create an account. This is not essential, but it makes it easier for editors to communicate with you, and some editors have been known to value contributions from unregistered editors less (which is against policy, but it does happen). --ColinFine (talk) 11:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Non free images

Hey! How to upload non free images for fair use? Like film posters. Thanks in advance btw. Hyderabadi Wikipedian (talk) 08:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Hyderabadi Wikipedian::

1. go to WP:File Upload Wizard
2. Select the smaller, white button "Upload locally to Wikipedia"
3. Follow the steps there. These are essentially the same as for free files, except in step 3 you want to select "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use.". Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 09:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Inserting specific WikiProject in RFC

I know how to do a topic (ex. "|pol, |econ") but how does one insert a specific WikiProject so the bot can add the notice to it's talk page? I've seen it done on WP:TRUMP YallAHallatalk 09:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Yallahalla, welcome to the Teahouse - usually you will need to include the specific template of the Wikiproject onto the talk page of the referring article. Every Wikiproject page lists those templates. Hope my answer was of help for you. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Please review this

Draft:Brahmdev Mishra  Thaeon (talk) 10:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Reviews may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order - there is no way to expedite this. Although I would note that using facebook pages as a 'reference' is not going to work this article's favour. --Paul ❬talk❭ 12:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Why was my article declined?

 Ejaz300 (talk) 11:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Ejaz300 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The article you submitted was blank, I think you accidentally cleared it when you submitted it. However, even if you hadn't, your draft had no reliable sources to support its content. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability(more specifically, that of a notable organization). Please read Your First Article for more information, you may also wish to use the new user tutorial. You might find it easier to use Articles for Creation to submit your draft instead of using your sandbox.

If you are associated with the subject of your draft, please review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 11:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

submission request for Draft:Lord of Little Stambridge Hall

requesting submission for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lord_of_Little_Stambridge_Hall HI, i would like to request submission for this page. i have added more citatations. 213.205.194.125 (talk) 12:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

You added one ref to this unreferenced mess. I agree with it having been Rejected after two Declined. The history also includes you twice moving it from draft to mainspace despite being advised that it was not of article quality. David notMD (talk) 12:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I.P. As indicated, the subject doesn't appear notable, and notability is not inherited. If we allowed this page to be published, it would stand as nothing more than an advertisement page, as from my understanding titles such as 'Lord of the Manor of X' are a saleable asset. Zindor (talk) 13:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Creating a new page

I'm wanting to create a new page. Where do I start? Spnm987 (talk) 12:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Spnm987 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for wanting to contribute. I will advise you that successfully creating a new article(not just a "page") is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes time, effort, and practice. Many new users who dive right in to creating articles without experience and knowledge fail in their first attempts, and get frustrated and angry as their work is mercilessly edited and deleted by others. I don't want you to have any bad feelings. I would suggest that you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content(which might not be what you think it is). It's also a great idea to use the new user tutorial and review Your First Article.

If you still want to attempt to write a new article, you should use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. I'd still read Your First Article, and you will want to make sure you have at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the topic you want to write about, and make sure that it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. 331dot (talk) 12:44, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello (talk) thank you for response to the above question, which is basically mine somewhere else here on Teahouse. I will try first to edit pages in my area of interest - public education in Los Angeles County - and I did find a page that I wanted to edit because one of my clients is mentioned on it, a large public agency, but there is no wikipedia page for it, so I edited the Los Angeles County page (and had my edit reverted back) to have this public agency hyperlinked to their website, though that appears to not be the way. Is there a proper web reference I can use to "cite" this public agency mentioned in the Los Angeles County page? Thanks. Karlomarcelo (talk) 17:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Why Do you keep picking on me

you have deleted all my edits Hdeare (talk) 12:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hdeare You may wish to politely address the actual user who reverted your edits- they seem to be doing so because they are unsourced. If you have a source for your edits, please provide it. You may wish to discuss your edits on the relevant article talk page. 331dot (talk) 12:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Every edit you have made have been reverted, by several editors. It's not them - it's you. You have received increasingly severe warnings on your Talk page. If you persist, you will be blocked. Even if your changes are true, they cannot remain unless you provide references at the same time. David notMD (talk) 13:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

These are actually true edits now please put them back Hdeare (talk) 13:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hdeare Please edit this existing section for follow up comments, instead of creating new sections. That your edits are true is not sufficient, you must have a source for your edits. We can't just take your word for it. 331dot (talk) 14:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Excuse me i have a source now if you please put them back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdeare (talk • contribs) 14:31, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

And that source would be? (Please give enough information that others can verify it) Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

You can add claims yourself along with the source, there's no point adding a claim on the promise that a source will be added eventually. --Paul ❬talk❭ 14:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

If you wish, you can go to each article, make the change again, and add the reference at the same time. There is no Teahouse editor that will do this for you. David notMD (talk) 15:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Citing Sources

How do i cite sources Wiki2873 (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Wiki2873 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may learn more about references at this beginner's guide to referencing. 331dot (talk) 12:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Are these all considered non-RS or are any ok?

• https://www.tvmaze.com/?
• https://spicyonion.com/
• http://live.coolhdtv.com/
• https://trakt.tv/people/
• https://www.themoviedata.com/
• http://www.binged.com/ 

HistoricalAccountings (talk) 13:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

HistoricalAccountings, The best thing to do is ask at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard S Philbrick(Talk) 17:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

- Thank you. --HistoricalAccountings (talk) 17:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Talk header

What is the appropriate usage of Template:Talk header? I know it has a usage section, but I was a little unclear on some of it. It says "this template should not be added to otherwise empty talk pages. That changes the "discussion" tab at the top of the page from a "redlink" into a "bluelink", which may mislead people into thinking there is discussion.", and I was wondering if this means I can add the template to talk pages with no discussion but that already have WikiProject banners because then it wouldn't create any more confusion than the WikiProject banners already have. Can I include this on any or all article talk pages or is it intended only for high traffic and controversial articles? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: AFAIK it is intended to be used on talk pages which generate too much offtopic comments, or too many rule violations (WP:NPA etc...) as a reminder. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Can I add this section?

I asked this on Talk:GameStop already, but I was wondering if Gamestop's recent surge in stock price[1] was notable enough to be included as a section in its article. Finder of Eggs^{How's My Editing?} 14:22, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Findanegg, there is already one. There is also an article: GameStop short squeeze. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 14:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

My bad, I seem to have skimmed over that part. Finder of Eggs^{How's My Editing?} 14:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I need help

Help needed

There's a brief Wikipedia entry about an individual (not me!) that is quite inadequate and misleading. Based on something I've previously written for a journal, I've drafted a new entry complete with references and have been trying (in the sandbox) to get it into your format. But I'm 84 and no good at this kind of thing – the demos are too fast and the jargon is beyond me. Incredibly frustrating. I really need an experienced Wikipedia contributor to take my copy and place it on your site. Have you asny suggestions as to what I might do?

Retepsnrub (talk) 15:22, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Retepsnrub, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is possible somebody here could look over it - but not if you don't tell us which article it is! You have no previous edits on this account, so we can't tell. --ColinFine (talk) 15:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks, Colin. The entry I wish to improve is on John Voelcker who was an architect. I can send you the draft I am trying to replace it with if you can give me an address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Retepsnrub (talk • contribs) 16:08, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Retepsnrub. That's not the way we work, and I wasn't volunteering specifically. If you don't think that you can edit John Voelcker incrementally, what I would suggest is to put your draft in your sandbox: assuming you're using a browser on a computer, there should be a link "Sandbox" at the top of every screen, next to your notifications and preferences. It'll be red, meaning that the sandbox hasn't been created yet, but you can pick it, and say to create it, then paste your draft and there and people can look at it. You'll need to save it by picking "Publish changes", but that is "publish" in the sense that anybody can see it who knows to look, not that it yet becomes part of the encyclopaedia. Then come back here and tell people that it's there and you're asking for help with it, and probably somebody will have a look - maybe me, but I'm not promising.

Something it is as well to ask at this point is whether your work contains any previously unpublished information or conclusions? If it does, you should be aware that Wikipedia does not publish Original research: if there is any new information, and especially any conclusions, in your work, that part will not be suitable for Wikipedia: not even if all you are doing is synthesising information from multiple sources. If your paper was published somewhere that Wikipedia regards as a reliable source, then it is possible that a Wikipedia article might cite it, but it should not be you that cites it, as that would be regarded as a conflict of interest.

But the first step is to get it into your sandbox so that people can have a look at it. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Colin. Many thanks again. Actually I wasn't expecting/hoping that you were voluntering – merely thought that you might like/wish to see what I had drafted. But your response is most helpful. I was using the sandbox – which is how I realised that it was all beyond me. But I'll follow your advice sometime next week once I've got over the fact that I can't even refer to my own previousy peer-reviewed published research. I hadn't realised that – but I can (now) understand the objections. Since I'm the 'leading authority' on the subject, my draft will have to be substantially cut – but should still be more informative than what'a on the web now. Thanks again – possibly see you in the sandbox next week. Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Retepsnrub (talk • contribs) 17:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello once more, Peter. The Wikipedia article may not itself contain any arguments or conclusions in Wikipedia's voice: it can say "Peter Burns has argued that ..." with a reference to your paper (again, presuming it was in a reliable journal). The COI issue says that it should not normally be you that inserts such text or citation. If you were editing an existing article, you would put an edit request in the article's talk page; if you were writing an article from scratch, you would use the articles for creation mechanism to create it in draft, being open about your COI, and when you submitted it for review, the review would note that and decide whether the citations were acceptable. Unfortunately, what you are doing - writing an article to replace an existing one - is not common enough that there is a formal procedure for it, as far as I am aware. But if you work on it in your sandbox and invite help, and continue to be open about your COI, there is probably a way that it can work.

By the way: please sign your contributions on talk and discussion pages like this one, with four tildes (~~~~). In addition, you can ping another editor (such as me) by using a template such as {{u}}. So if you look at the source, you'll see I started my first reply to you with {{{U|Retepsnrub}}, which displays as your username, but sends you a notification, as long as I also signed my contribution. --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Retepsnrub: To add to the excellent suggestions above, you'll also want to post a note on the article's talk page linking to your sandbox draft, asking for help. That way you'll be able to alert anyone who is watching that article and its talk page. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

translation of pages into other languages

Hello. I am writing a page about a man who was notable for his WWII resistance work in the Netherlands, Belgium and France. I am writing in English but the page would be interesting to Dutch and French speakers as well. If I have the page properly translated, can I post it in French and Dutch wikipedias myself? Or is it better to have the translators post the page in their own language wikipedia? The citations for the article are in English, Dutch and French. Thanks for your help! DP1944 (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC) DP1944 (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DP1944, and welcome to the Teahouse. Adding translations of articles to other language Wikipedias is usually welcome, but you must attribute them properly: see Translate us. The policies and procedures of different editions are different, so just because an article is acceptable in one edition doesn't automatically mean that it will be in other editions. You'll need to ask at the French and Dutch encyclopaedias to see what the requirements are. --ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Colin. I'll check the other editions. DP1944 (talk) 17:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Organization mentioned in Los Angeles County page but not referenced elsewhere on Wikipedia

 Courtesy link: Los Angeles County Office of Education

New page / new reference Hello, I noticed on the Los Angeles County page that my client is mentioned, but there is no hyperlink for them, to a wikipedia page or external source. I'd like to either create a page or add an external source, such as their website for reference. Is this possible? I did read the help page on writing your first Wikipedia article and when I searched for the organization, I was sent to the Los Angeles County page. Thank you. Karlomarcelo (talk) 17:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Karlomarcelo: "client"? If you are paid to edit Wikipedia, you must comply with WP:PAID, which is a Terms of Use requirement and not negotiable. That being out of the way, in theory you could create a new article (not mere "page") there, replacing the redirect. However, please be advised that sucessfully creating a new article on Wikipedia is one of the absolute hardest tasks one can undertake on Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:28, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Can someone see if forgottenweapons.com lets you use their images?

I found an image from their website and would like to use it in a article. I got a message saying that it wasent identified as having the right copyright for it. Could someone help? Starman2377 (talk) 18:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Starman2377: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You should have asked the question about the image license before uplaoding the image. I am serious about it. Failure to do so almost always leads to trouble. As with nearly all images found on the internet, this image does not appear to be under any free license that Wikipedia accepts. Because of this, we can only use the image under fair use, provided that all of the non-free content criteria are met. In fact, I am pretty not sure that we can keep the image. I repeat myself for clairty: DO NOT upload a media file if you are unsure about it's licensing, especially if it comes from the internet. If in doubt, please ask. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Starman2377, forgottenweapons.com has a standard copyright notice at the bottom of their home page. You need to assume that every image you find on the internet is restricted by copyright, unless you have solid evidence to the contrary. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:11, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Bordrin

Hello! An article I have created, Bordrin, has been turned into a draft (Draft:Bordrin). They left a comment saying that is is written like an advertisement and needs better sources. I would be extremely grateful if a ore experienced editor could take a look at it, and either help me fix it, or give me suggestions on how to fix it. DestinationFearFan (talk) 18:45, 28 January 2021 (UTC) DestinationFearFan (talk) 18:45, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Shared IP

Someone used my IP address to edit a Wikipedia page for something I never heard of before. Does someone know why this might have happened?  64.139.108.210 (talk) 19:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. IP addresses can be used by multiple people in several different ways. If you don't wish for your edits to be confused with those of others, you can create an account. 331dot (talk) 19:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hello! On my User:DestinationFearFan/sandbox2, some of my sections don't appear, even though in edit mode, they show up. Could someone help me? Thanks, DestinationFearFan (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Resolved my question. DestinationFearFan (talk) 21:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

How can I help improve pages without any editing knowledge?

I say this because, well, not only do I have close to zero knowledge of editing, but also because not much can be done on a mobile phone, or anything that isn't a computer for that matter. My native language is Portuguese, and besides that I'm also fluent in English. I feel that I can provide some much needed translation work on important pages (as well as just about anything), so I'm just wondering how anything can be done from my viewpoint considering my lack of experience in editing wikipedia pages, as well as from anyone else's viewpoint so, help? (•‿•) Orpheus432 (talk) 20:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, you can find some excellent advice about editing on a mobile phone here User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Theroadislong (talk) 20:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Orpheus432. I am a very experienced editor and administrator, and I do over 99% of my editing on Android smartphones. If you scroll to the bottom of the home page on the mobile site, you can switch to the desktop site, which works perfectly on modern smartphones. The desktop site is fully functional and allows you to do pretty much anything on Wikipedia, except for complex image editing where a bigger screen is useful. Feel free to ask me questions about mobile editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:03, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

FYI

 – Heading added by Tenryuu.

thank you for your letter i am very greatful for this site because believe me i have MANY questions. ill ask you some when they are needed thank you  Jm unicorn grl (talk) 21:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

What template is this?

What template or bot made this announcement at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Donald_Trump#User:Pretzel_butterfly_has_an_RFC? YallAHallatalk 21:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Yallahalla, it was a substitution of {{Rfc notice}}. That's why the markup was rendered. Regards, Zindor (talk) 22:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

COATRACK?

Not a new editor, but wanted some second opinions. Would a section on a CEO's page relating to criticism of that CEO's company be considered a COATRACK? Note that most of the sources do not seem to mention the CEO directly, just the company.

Sdrqaz (talk) 22:11, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sdrqaz: If the criticism is something that's not the CEO's fault, then it could very well be COATRACK, as well as WP:UNDUE to include it in his (or her) article. If you provide the link we can review. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Tim. The article is Jonathan D. Gray; I am quite cautious of removing the "controversies" section, given that it was requested by a COI editor. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sdrqaz: after reading the sources and understanding the situation, it appears that the dedicated controversies section violates WP:STRUCTURE. I moved the info into the history section, but linked to the company article that had more info about the controversy. Hopefully that addresses things in a fair and balanced way. Now, Gray needs to be added to Invitation Homes. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Your work there was much appreciated, Tim, thank you! Sdrqaz (talk) 02:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Misstatement in Shell Companies page

Currently, the page on Shell Companies says this (listing two instances from the page): On Friday, January 8, 2021 the US Congress banned all anonymous shell companies. In January 2021 anonymous shell companies were effectively banned via a provision in the William M. (Mac) Thornberry National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021.[20]

These are not true statements. Instead, US Congress setup a CONFIDENTIAL DATABASE of the owners behind shell companies. Only federal law enforcement and banks have access to this database (thus, to the public shell companies are still anonymous and are not banned).

Link to Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_corporation 70.162.85.74 (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

You see that "[20]" in your excerpt? That's the source being cited for that claim. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 22:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

The best place for you to post concerns or questions about a Wikipedia article is the associated talk page (e.g. Talk:Shell corporation). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

category: suicide and / or death

Recently an editor has been making hundreds of category changes in biographical articles in which they remove the Category:[year] deaths and replace it with Category:[year] suicides. Mykola Khvylovy is an example. Is this appropriate? Although I understand that categories should be as specific as possible, I thought that (for example) Category:1933 deaths was a standard biography category and should be there regardless of the means or cause of death. That's how I read Wikipedia:Categorization_of_people#N but I could well be wrong. I don't want to approach the user about this without knowing what's correct. Thanks HazelAB (talk) 23:11, 28 January 2021 (UTC) HazelAB (talk) 23:11, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey HazelAB. I'd note that there is discussion about this at User talk:Marcocapelle#Your recent edits. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

hello

My draft, Draft:Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go! got not accepted. How Can I fix it? To be accepted? Also I’m 142.105.209.171, my ip changed. 2603:7081:5940:7500:1089:57E1:8000:33FD (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC) 2603:7081:5940:7500:1089:57E1:8000:33FD (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

An earlier article was started and turned into a redirect. There's a different naming convention for new seasons, but the consensus is to not have an article until the series has completed filming. See [[5]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

About Wikipedia's Political Position

So I want to question this: Is Wikipedia Left-wing or Right-wing or Center? I DON'T CARE IF YOU BAN ME Scoophole2021 (talk) 23:45, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Going to be honest in my opinion. On a full political scale, say CNN is 50% left and Fox News is 50% rights. AP News is about centered. From my opinion and what I have seen, Wikipedia (The foundation) is centered, but the majority of admins are slightly left. I would say Wikipedia (per discussions/generic editors that are more than 500 editors), it is maybe 10% left. Not like a major left swing, but small things make it left IMO.

Also, @Scoophole2021: do you have a specific question about how to edit Wikipedia, since this area if for those type of questions, not the ones you asked. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:51, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

"The facts have a well-known liberal bias." —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 01:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

"Sometimes we can disagree with the facts." - Sean Spicer Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:12, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll add my opinion that Elijahandskip is not monumentaly wrong, but that scale is very "USA today". Other countries and US 20/40 years ago is/was different, CNN appears noway near 50% left to me, being left of Fox doesn't make it left. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Scoophole2021, Wikipedia aims to be centered, but of course given the many left-wing editors, it still is leaning left. Of course this is unacceptable, and attempts are being made to centerize Wikipedia. It's a large website, so it takes time to refurbish. If you can neutralize biased articles, do so. GeraldWL 08:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: but that is only true for one specific and limited definition of "left". Wikipedia is not only a concern for persons based in the US, although there is a very heavy US bias, and the US centric definition of political "left" and "right" are often taken as some kind of global norm in discussions here. And that is unfortunate. --bonadea contributions talk 08:39, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea, I am not trying to be diverse here; the OP clearly is asking about US politics and Wikipedia (no other people have asked "is WP left or right" other than US people). Feel free to include a more global definition of left and right, but that is unlikely to be useful. GeraldWL 08:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, on the face of it, there was nothing US in the OP. WP (even en-WP) doesn't necessarily mean to be US-today centered in all it's content. I get the impression that many people considers attempting a WP:NPOV slant is a leftist position (sometimes it's considered a rightist or other position, but less often). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Here is some fair and balanced coverage: "Liberal Bias of Wikipedia Called Out in 5 Studies" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

It's funny how this unreliable source cites both Harvard and Wikipediocracy which are... quite different? Even more amusing is how the second Harvard study (didn't read the first one) is actually pretty interesting and attesting that Wikipedia is becoming less biased over time and we are actually slowly getting nearer to NPOV overall. Which is not really what Newsmax stated the study would say, but eh, whatever. An interesting read (the Harvard thing), thanks Gråbergs Gråa Sång! --LordPeterII (talk) 12:21, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Waitaminute, you did find some fair and balanced coverage? Joke's on me, then :p Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Scoophole2021, you may or may not find this article interesting: Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-11-29/Op-Ed. And don't miss the comment section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Mirsad Bektic Wiki Page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirsad_Bekti%C4%87 There is no such thing as Bosnian Cyrillic. In fact, even the Wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Cyrillic clearly states that it is extinct "is an extinct variant of the Cyrillic alphabet that originated in medieval Bosnia". I made this correction, but Cassiopeia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cassiopeia undid the correction "because they did not appear constructive." It would be more accurate to simply say Cyrillic, or Serbian Cyrillic. Thank you. 159.87.155.177 (talk) 02:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Your edit did remove the language description but without any explanation. Moreover, that same edit removed his middle name, with an edit summary only talking about the removal of his middle name, while invoking the anecdotal, general idea that "He does not have a middle name, this is not common at all among Bosnians". The portion stating "this is not common at all among Bosnians", makes it sound like your are guessing, and not stating something specific, like "I have researched, and he has no middle name, and it is unsourced here so I am removing under WP:BURDEN" (or even better, provide a source that states what his birth name is in conjunction).

If he actually has no middle name, of course, it should be removed, but your edit summary does not provide a lot of confidence you were stating a fact. I note that when I look at the article I see no reference for his name; when I open multiple links included in the references I find not one of them using the middle name, so for all I know, the middle name may be vandalism. (I may look into that further.) However, if it is his middle name, then it belongs. It's also not suprising that many sources would not use it, if his common name is usually provided without it. For why it belongs if its exist, see MOS:BIRTHNAME:

"While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name, if known, should usually be given in the lead sentence (including middle names, if known, or middle initials). Many cultures have a tradition of not using the full name of a person in everyday reference, but the article should start with the complete version in most cases".

For these reasons, in my view you were properly reverted. If you wanted that edit to "stick", you needed to explain the language issue in the edit summary, and not combine it with the middle name – I invite you to go do that.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Photos of Alejandro Edda, Denise Dowse and Vincenzo Nicoli

My pages titled Vincenzo Nicoli, Alejandro Edda and Denise Dowse need images in their infobox. Can someone find pictures of them so I can have good views on my pages? 174.215.217.60 (talk) 03:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

First, there is no such thing as "My pages." I am guessing that you created these three articles while editing as User:MetaWiz4331 and then for some reason stopped using that account in July 2020 and took up editing as a non-account IP. I doubt any Teahouse host has the means or the inclination to help search for non-copyright images. Daily page views look to be about 50, 300 and 300 resepctively for the three actors. I doubt adding an image would change that. David notMD (talk) 12:10, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Portal for January 30 actually shows events for January 29

I recently created a portal for January 30, 2021, because Cyberbot couldn't create one. However, that particular portal actually has events for January 29, which is the day BEFORE. What do I do? Call me when you get the chance (talk) 03:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Greenland Lake

I need assistance with an Infobox problem on my new article Greenland Lake McAnnis59 (talk) 04:05, 29 January 2021 (UTC) McAnnis59 (talk) 04:05, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I copied from Mormon Lake, so so t know why ended up with an Infox problem. (2nd note for assistance) McAnnis59 (talk) 04:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC) McAnnis59 (talk) 04:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

sorry about spelling. An Infobox problem. Don’t know why. McAnnis59 (talk) 04:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@McAnnis59: Looks like Victor Schmidt fixed it at Special:Diff/1003489093 by removing duplicate parameters and an extra template closing (}}). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Club 20

Hello amigos! Im approaching my first 20 years at Wikipedia, my anniversary officially (I had done articles without being a member for about 2 weeks prior) on September 17, 2022....I was just wondering is there a list of wikipedians who have been working for 20 years? And if there isn't, should we have one?

Also, this being a Teahouse, how come we don't have a coffee house, perhaps a Starbucks, which I absolutely love!!?

Thanks and God bless you! Antonio Starbucks Addict Martin (Dimelo!) 08:33, 29 January, 2021 (UTC)

AntonioMartin, well we have a Ten-Year and Fifteen-Year Society. I'm not sure if there's a twenty.... but you can make one if you wish! There could also be a redirect from Wikipedia:Coffee house to here. God bless you too! GeraldWL 08:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@AntonioMartin: Note: WP:Fifteen Year Society and TYS mentions and Bruce The Deus' logo for it: File:Twenty Years Society (2019, square edit).png.

I remember a discussion somewhere about the term coffeehouse having a somewhat different connotation in some places (e.g., the Netherlands). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:05, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

deletion of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lord_of_Little_Stambridge_Hall

i would like this page deleted as its not notable enough FredBensen (talk) 09:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, FredBensen. After six months with no edits to the draft, it will be deleted. The main author is EvWills, only they can request early deletion under G7. Kind regards, Zindor 12:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

How can I be an admin?

I know I'm asking too much question and sorry if I bother you but, how can I be an admin? And is it free? Please let me know! Oh, and by the way, how can I make a discussion like Teahouse? I want to make one to! Is it possible? H0MARUP (talk) 09:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In short, the community will grant you the administrator tools if you spend a great deal of time(typically years) developing a good edit history that shows you have a good temperament, good judgement, understand Wikipedia policies, and can demonstrate a need for the tools. There is no cost to be a Wikipedia participant regardless of the toolset you have- being an administrator only means that you have tools that would be irresponsible for the general public to have(such as deleting articles). You can do 95% of things here without the administrator tools. You can learn more about the process at WP:RFA.

I'm a bit unclear as to your other question- we have the Teahouse and Help Desk so I'm not sure why another similar forum is needed. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place to merely have discussions- pages here must be pertinent to improving this encyclopedia. You do have your own user talk page where other users can communicate with you, but it is not a place for unlimited off-topic discussion. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

(ec) H0MARUP, in short, you edit for at least a couple of years, make thousands of helpful good edits so when people look at your edits they think "It would be a good idea to make this person an admin." Then you apply. See Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I understood. So maybe for how many years exactly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by H0MARUP (talk • contribs) 10:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP There isn't a specific number. If you are the most fantastic editor in Wikipedia history out of the tens of millions of people who participated here, it might be a year, but that's not very likely. For most people, it takes many years and several thousand edits. As I said, "being an administrator" is just a toolset to have- it is not a hat to wear or an accomplishment to obtain; administrators have no more authority than any other editor. It's also a lot of tedious work. Is there a particular reason you are eager to get the administrator tools? In most successful cases, the tools are not given to people who seek out the status of being an administrator- they are given to people who demonstrate a need for them that would benefit the project. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, I don't have any reasons. I just wanna be an admin but I don't really know why do I want! And is there any shorter ways to find a page that is needed to edit or I have to search and hoping there will be one? Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by H0MARUP (talk • contribs) 10:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP A good place to find things to do is the Community Portal. And please sign your future talk page posts(but never articles) with four tildes(~~~~) so we know you wrote them. Thanks 331dot (talk) 10:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

See WP:How to help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh thank you so much! I usually have trouble with that but now I'm good! H0MARUP (talk) 10:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)H0MARUP

H0MARUP, I suggest you not seek to be an admin for now. It takes time (and I mean time) for an editor to really understand what it takes to be an admin. I know this because I have been editing for nearly a year (which is long for me, is it long for you?) and still haven't understood some stuff about Wikipedia. Admins have the tools to delete pages and stuff like that, so the question is Why do you want to get that tool, and will you use that responsibly? Given the low experience you still have, don't think much about adminship, and just edit. GeraldWL 14:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: Please also see the essay WP:HATCOLLECTING (something to be avoided here). I think the last time I researched it, the "youngest" username that was granted admin rights was 13 months, and that was quite unusual, as the average was much longer (years, with thousands of edits to their credit).

Minor nit: please make the four tildes the very last thing in your post (i.e., don't put anything after it). The software turns the tildes into a link to your username and a timestamp, which should appear last for the benefit of scripts and bots (as well as humans) that expect it. Thanks! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Update: At Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1067#Applying for admin in July 2020, I wrote: Out of about 1100 admins, only 25 joined Wikipedia in 2013 or later. The newest of those joined 19 months ago.. That was based on this search, which today shows that Hog Farm holds the distinction of "youngest" admin account, at near 15 months, during which he made 25,000 edits. Second place goes to GeneralNotability at 23 months and over 50,000 edits. 99% of the 1100 admins joined more than 4 years ago. 95% of the admins joined more than 10 years ago. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Oof, a year? It's kinda long because I can only edit on weekends. Welp, I can do 95% of things here without being an admin so I'll stop thinking about being admin. Thanks! H0MARUP (talk) 06:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)H0MARUP

H0MARUP, I am an administrator and I edited almost every day for eight years before becoming an administrator. People asked me many times but I waited because I considered that to be a major commitment and I wanted my family to be supportive. When I finally put my name forward, I got very strong support. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:53, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

OMG HELP ME OUT DELETING THIS

ADMINS! PLEASE DELETE MY DRAFT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kizana_Sunobu PLEASE! I DON'T WANNA BE BANNED JUST YET MY WIKI IS TOO YOUNG TO BE BANNED! AHHHHH HELP ME AS QUICK AS YOU CAN! H0MARUP (talk) 10:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)H0MARUP H0MARUP (talk) 10:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP, the article is being deleted as an extreme violation of our copyright policy, which is serious. Violations of this policy which can have legal consequences for the Wikimedia Foundation. The page will be deleted, unless you re-write the entire thing in your own words. You will not be blocked unless this happens repeatedly, but take it as a warning. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 10:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh god thank you! H0MARUP (talk) 10:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)H0MARUP

H0MARUP Please refrain from all capital letters, as that is considered shouting. New editors are allowed a grace period to learn about Wkikipedia's guidelines and rules. However, what you did at Yandere Simulator was clearly vandalism. Behavior like that will lead to you being blocked. David notMD (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't wanted to do that. I really love Yandere Simulator and there are some references that doesn't even talking about Yandere Simulator so I tried to delete and it turned out... Anyway thanks! H0MARUP (talk) 06:47, 30 January 2021 (UTC)H0MARUP

Park Yoo-chun

Please help me. I have loved editing and one day want to admin but... I have a problem I can't fix. I have actually got a copy of this man's drivers license to prove we have his name wrong on Wikipedia. Can you help me change the big bold top line to spell his name correctly. It's kind of urgent if possible.20footfish (talk) 10:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

page is Park Yoo-chun Hi name is Park Yu Chun and he wants it to change. I have his license for you :) 20footfish (talk) 10:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

20footfish, we can't use private documents to source on Wikipedia, as it is entirely inaccessible to others, thus can't be verified. Online sources are preferred. GeraldWL 11:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerard Waldo Louis mate, I am so glad to see you here again. I think we may have spoken before. You are awesome and have helped me before. I have online ones we can use but I don't have admin rights to change the name at the top from Yoo_chun to Yu Chun. How do I get that changed? I'd love your help. I am Kiwi in NZ but I often help this group and fans with English translations etc ( I will elaborate here too, I shouldn't have said often, I did few to help after 6 Jan when wikicommons research for copyright meant I had to reach out for permissions..it's been very hard to get this far and now I have come across as COI, I am very very sad that I wrote this here and that it had made everything I have done become suspicious. 80 hours I have worked 80 hours alone, I am so proud of my work and research. I worked hard to be neutral and impartial and to consider your Living persons policy). That's how I got asked to update his page. I am enjoying it so much that I will do more wiki updates for other pages soon. Can you tell me how to get his main name changed? Where do I request that an Admin helps me?20footfish (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC) 20footfish (talk) 12:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpwejT777yH6jCltuLcq99w https://www.parkyuchun.com/en/park-yoo-chun-official-fan-site-blue-cielo-open/

There is a lot of mistakes online but these will be my sources if possible as they match his license. 20footfish (talk) 12:12, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@20footfish: You can ask for an article to be moved to a new title at WP:RM, but it is really not clear from the sources that the new spelling is more correct than the old one, so you would need to present reliable independent sources supporting that. --bonadea contributions talk 14:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@20footfish: "Right" article title on WP is WP:COMMONNAME, it may or may not be what the subject wants (yet, anyway). Yusuf Islam is a good example. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

20footfish, I suggest you read WP:COI regarding conflict of interests towards a subject; you seem to have one. Or maybe WP:PAID, if you are paid to edit Wikipedia. You can change your username; see WP:CHU. GeraldWL 14:34, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerard I will look into the COI. There is none from my end but I will look into why someone would think I am promoting or knowing the person. Wikipedia isn't easy to figure out. I will look at user20footfish (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@20footfish: Above, you claim to have a copy of his driving licence, and you also said I often help this group and fans with English translations etc. That's how I got asked to update his page. So it is not a matter of somebody thinking you have a COI – you stated yourself that you have one. --bonadea contributions talk 16:13, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh I see... I don't communicate as well as I should.20footfish (talk) 16:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC) This is my first profile to fix and it was an interest to be an editor. I made contact after wikicommons told me to go find the person to send the form to. I wouldn't have found people if it wans't for wikipedia in the first place.. its so hard. But the Licence was emailed to me from the people who own the image and were looking at copyright to let us use the photo... so what is my next step because your change meant that information I can prove is incorrect is now back... do we have to have a mediation meeting thingy? I am not sure how it works but I want you to help me sort out this misunderstanding even if I type it because of my language.20footfish (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)20footfish (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I really regret this now20footfish (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC) and the sad thing is that I am correct with y edits. I can prove it20footfish (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@20footfish: Note that even the link you posted from their website contains both "yu" (in the domain) and "yoo" (in the article's filename): https://www.parkyuchun.com/en/park-yoo-chun-official-fan-site-blue-cielo-open . When it comes to transliterations of names (especially) from non-Latin character sets (like Hangul) into the Latin script used in English, there are often different practices among people and sources and, therefore, Wikipedia. There is no "correct". We try to choose the most common form used in English-language sources, per WP:COMMONNAME. What's on a driver's license may be arbitrary, based on personal preference, or more likely, follows a government-specified scheme, none of which directly affects what Wikipedia chooses to name the article. BTW, please don't try to "prove" it by revealing a private, personal information document like a driver's license – it wouldn't change anything and would cause problems that neither you nor the subject want/need. Thanks for understanding. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Alan, I accept your reasons. I have completely misunderstood everything and have gotten into a really tough spot. Quite upsetting. It will be okay. I am praying now that the page is edited back or fixed to be able to remove the COI because it's so upsetting for me. You see, other editors on here that are also being changed think that I have a personal connection. It's not true, I am guilty of not understanding the COI policy and yes, I used other articles to counter cited articles because how can you tell which one is correct? that aside, I am happy to learn how to send a request next time, for now I am sitting with COI on here.20footfish (talk) 20:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Nancy Pelosi

I like to write and have enjoyed looking at your articles as of late, and especially the editor notes, seeing how everything works. I was just perusing the Nancy Pelosi main TALK page & noticed what appeared to be a Sheriff Badge Square & an Editor whose profile did not seem in line with other edits/editors. I believe the name was "Sons" or Sans or similar to that - not completely sure. His profile said he would be leaving for Japan for 9 months and the content seemed entirely out of place from others. When I went back in to review, I could not see it posted any longer, which is also strange. I believe this was vandalism of some kind, or perhaps some virus & was hoping you could review your data storage, as I would not want to see Wiki be exploited, or for any mischief to occur. Or maybe I just clicked back into the wrong place? Thank you. Assistance1026 (talk) 11:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Assistance1026, I can't seem to understand your query. You seem to link an editor real-life activity with his nature of edits? Can you clarify your point to give other editors an easier time understanding? GeraldWL 14:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I may be able to help. I will take a look because it can be removed however it will be in history.20footfish (talk) 12:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I can't find your user as there are many. Take a look at the talk page but view history and the top. You can look at prev on the left side of each edit to find it. If you find it and think it was removed by someone else, you can see their reason. If you disagree, you can ask here again and some-one experienced will help you. I apologise if you have already done this as I may have misunderstood but I wanted to help. Someone will check this conversation soon :)20footfish (talk) 12:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Likewise. @Assistance1026: Due to the way Wikipedia works, pages can be and are often edited while one is browsing, so I would not consider this anything out of the ordinary. It's entirely possible that it was removed as vandalism, that the user removed it because they've made it there/came back, or for any other number of completely legitimate reasons. I would not consider this anything nefarious in the slightest. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 21:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

editing a reference that doesn't appear in edit mode

dear Teahouse, I note an error on a Wikipedia page. It appears on the page but not on the editable version. What do I do?

The page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Griffin_(psychologist)

thanks, AriaFortuna AriaFortuna (talk) 12:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Specify the error and where in the article it appears. David notMD (talk) 12:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AriaFortuna, and welcome to the Teahouse. As David indicates, it's hard to answer without you specifying what the problem is. But I'm guessing from your heading that the problem is in one of the citations, and I'm also guessing that you are trying to fix it by editing the "References" section, and not finding it there. This is because references are defined in the source where they are used: it is the software that collects them together and puts them in the "References" section. So you would need to edit the section where the particular reference is footnoted. --ColinFine (talk) 13:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see whether I can figure that out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AriaFortuna (talk • contribs) 15:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

New draft

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello! I have just created a new page and would be so happy if it was reviewed by the community. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ekvita Thanks in advance to you all! Nargizyl (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nargizyl. It looks to me like you're writing about a non-notable company—one for which insufficient reliable, secondary, independentTemplate:Z21 sources exist that demonstrate the world taking note of the company to meet our standards, and on which verifiable article content can be based. While it's possible there are good sources out there, what you've cited thus far (as noted in the declines of the draft), are not enough. If much better sourcing doesn't exist, don't waste your time, no suitable article is possible.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I understand, but what is wrong with the sources? I tried to find the most comprehensive links that are directly related to the topic.

Why would someone stopping me to add the DOB of John Flint?

Previously I added the DOB of John Flint (businessman) according to [6] and [7]. But someone reverted my edits. What's the problem?--219.79.78.55 (talk) 13:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC) 219.79.78.55 (talk) 13:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

WP has strict rules about any content about living people, see the relevant one at WP:DOB. Your first link is a primary source, that's out for this. I don't know what the second is supposed to be (so my basic assumption is that it shouldn't be used), but it says "Estimated date of birth" which isn't good enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, I will add that after his death.--219.79.78.55 (talk) 14:39, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Galilei´s, Newton´s, Einstein´s motion

Relativity and Cosmology Galilei, Newton, Bohr, Heisenberg, Maxwell, Einstein, Feynman and Vlcek https://vixra.org/abs/1907.0512 https://vixra.org/pdf/1907.0512v1.pdf is my work GALILEI, NEWTON, BOHR, HEISENBERG, MAXWELL, EINSTEIN, FEYNMAN and Vlcek 22.7.2019 ccc Research • Oct 2019 • DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.19670.40009 • Lubomir Vlcek • Galilei • Vlcek Newton GALILEI, NEWTON, BOHR, HEISENBERG, MAXWELL, EINSTEIN, FEYNMAN and Vlcek 22.7.2019 copppy Preprint • Jul 2019 • DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.28687.74400 • Lubomir Vlcek On ResearchGate are my works. GALILEI, NEWTON, BOHR, HEISENBERG, MAXWELL, EINSTEIN, FEYNMAN and Vlcek 22.7.2019 ccc Research Oct 2019DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.19670.40009 Lubomir VlcekGalileiVlcek Newton GALILEI, NEWTON, BOHR, HEISENBERG, MAXWELL, EINSTEIN, FEYNMAN and Vlcek 22.7.2019 copppy Preprint Jul 2019DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.28687.74400 Lubomir Vlcek https://www.researchgate.net/search/publication?q=%2B%2B%2BLubomir%2BVlcek AE1851 (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC) Authors: Lubomir Vlcek AE1851 (talk) 14:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC) AE1851 (talk) 14:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC) AE1851 (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

AE1851 can you give us some context for this statement, or do you have a question? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I think it refers to an article in the User's sandbox which was declined as WP:OR and similar "On ResearchGate are my works" in the text above. Still own research, whether here or elsewhere. The links are to preprints that are, in my opinion, likely to be refused publication. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

What is in your Sandbox User:AE1851/sandbox in no way whatsoever resembles an encyclopedia article. All it has is hyperlinks to your unpublished 10-page manuscript. David notMD (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Moving a discussion

I started a conversation on the Podcasting WikiProject talk page (here) about the quality and importance graph without realizing that there was an entire page about these guidelines (here). Would it be appropriate to move or at least copy and paste the discussion into the talk page as the discussion was explicitly about creating guidelines for quality and importance and ended with someone suggesting I edit the page, which I did do after some discussion and research. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: you can put anything you want on the talk page that you think will help other readers or editors better understand or improve the article. If it’s seen as excessive or out of place, it can be compacted or moved by anybody. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: would it be appropriate to remove it from the WikiProject talk page after copying it to the assessment talk page? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi TipsyElephant. I agree with Timtempleton's utility standard as a good basis here. However, please understand that unless content on a talk page is extremely rudimentary—content that clearly doesn't meet threshold of originality (a very low bar, not at all applicable here)—you must provide copyright attribution when you copy and paste the content from one Wikipedia page to another. For how to do this, please see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Proper attribution (Shortcut: WP:PATT). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: Why not just keep it there but add at the end of the thread "Discussion moved to talk page" with a link to the continuing discussion? You'd think it would be be archived at some point anyway. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:19, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

help editing wiki page

Is there anyone available to help edit my wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Bennion? Jbb10020 (talk) 15:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Jbb10020, if you think it needs extensive edit, you can submit it for copyedit at WP:GOCE/R. GeraldWL 15:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Jbb10020 you can make an edit request on the talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Timtempleton, I really cannot use this forum. In the past, a grad student helped me. Can we converse on email? I just need a few items edited on my page. I could use the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbb10020 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

The impression I get is that Janet Bennion is about you, and was created by you in 2013. If this is true, you should not directly edit the article. Instead, you should declare on your User page that the article is about you. Then, at the Talk page of the article, you should propose specific changes, providing references. There is a process for asking a non-involved editor to visit the user page and decide to incorporate your proposed changes or not. David notMD (talk) 18:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Jbb10020 we can discuss on the article talk page. Ping me with my user name in double brackets like I pinged you here. But please keep in mind that in general biographies of living people are hard to source, and we can’t take people for their word about anything without a reliable source. Too many people try to white wash their biographies or spin them a certain way. Indeed, we don’t really know that you are who you say you are. But I will help if I can. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello

What is the teahouse? How do I use it? (Yes stupid question I know lol) Tickery (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tickery: Hello, and welcome to The Teahouse. The Teahouse is intended as a question forum for new users. We respond to questions about using or editing Wikipedia. If you have a question, you can always ask by clicking the big blue button in the page header. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

How to do good edits

Hello. I am Wikipedian Whamrockers. I have a question about how to deal with edit wars. There are lots of editors who likes to involve in edit war. They delete correct and important information with sources. So please tell me how can I deal with such editors. Whamrockers (talk) 16:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Whamrockers, welcome to the Teahouse. Everything you need to know about Edit Wars you will find here Wikipedia:Edit_warring, especially in the Section "Handling of edit-warring behaviors". Hope my answer was of help for you, enjoy editing here. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Whamrockers. Note that takes (at least) two to edit war, and almost always both of them are certain that they are right. The way to "deal with" such editors is explained in WP:BRD: discuss it with them (letting go of "I'm right and you're wrong", which never solves anything), and if you still can't reach consensus, follow DR. --ColinFine (talk) 19:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Whamrockers, when you see another editor engage in edit warring behavior, the first thing to do is to ask them to stop, linking to the policy. If they refuse to stop, report them to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Chronic edit warriors are routinely blocked. Never, ever engage in edit warring yourself, even if you are convinced that you are right. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Image copyright

Hi, i want to upload a new image shoted in the 1989. I know who is the photographer but he don't have this particular image in this online archive, but i'm sure that the image is his becouse the pictures are the same frame but in two different moment. I see that so many journal article use this image and they don't gave the credit to the photographer. What do you think? Meaby he don't ask for the copyright for this particular image or maybe it free. What i can do? Thanks All the bests --TommasoRmndn (talk) 16:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC) TommasoRmndn (talk) 16:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome TommasoRmndn. Without knowing any more about the image than what you've just described, your best option would be to get the photographer to upload the image himself (under a creative commons license or into the public domain) by having him follow these instructions. The fact that some publications use the image in question without crediting the photographer is not proof that that photograph is in the public domain. Chetsford (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TommasoRmndn. When a photo is published anywhere, is is copyrighted automatically and there is no requirement that the photographer "ask for copyright". Copyrights last for 95 years. Exceptions are rare. Photos taken by employees of the U.S. federal government as part of their job duties are not copyrighted. They are public domain. You can only upload a photo if you have solid evidence that it is freely licensed or not copyrighted. This is a matter of policy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Chetsford and Cullen328. I'll try to find a solution. --TommasoRmndn (talk) 11:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Kind of protection locks.

I want to know how many locks are there in Wikipedia. (such as semi-protection). I am also autoconfirmed and made 13 edits here. So please tell me everything about it. I am also new, btw. Wiki2873 (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Wiki2873, and welcome to the Teahouse! A full list of the protection levels that pages can have can be found at Wikipedia:Protection policy. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 17:41, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! But can you help me? I want to learn more about the locks in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki2873 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

The Wikipedia site Pahunkat provided has the information about article locks. What else are you seeking? David notMD (talk) 18:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Wiki2873. The above-linked page is a very good overview. I'm not sure if this helps but since you specifically asked about the number protected, the approximate number is available for each type of protection by looking at the associated category. Thus Category:Wikipedia semi-protected pages shows there are approx. 2,017 pages in it currently. Follows that naming format to locate other types of protected page categories. You can also try the tool Petscan. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

COI question

• Link: Park Yoo-chun

I just hope someone can explain so that I understand... when does the COI message disappear? does it disappear ever? is it permanent? I am not meant to edit anything am I? and who edits the problem? How does Wikipedia get the COI issue resolved? I have read it, I just don't understand because it says any user can remove it but then I do get told not to. The admin is probably correct but it says I can remove it when my edit was corrected. It was corrected.. so I don't know why it must stay. I do know that I won't be editing again, but I want to know when the COI will go20footfish (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC) 20footfish (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

20footfish While most maintenance notices can be removed by anyone, a COI notice cannot be removed by the editor with the COI. The notice is not permanent but can't be removed until an independent editor evaluates the article. You can request that with an edit request on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much... this is extremely helpful. Now I understand that my taking it off could not have given a good impression. I will request edit because I would like to to be resolved sooner rather than later.. I would be so happy to see that banner go. The edits, well that's fair enough.. the banner, I want it to go quickly. I am less stressed knowing that it's not permanent. Thank you so very much.20footfish (talk) 19:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@20footfish: I'm sorry that I have been unclear before. Let me try to explain again. The COI notice on that article concerns the edits of multiple editors over many months. It is not only about your edits (although you are the only one who has been honest about having a COI). It is perfectly OK that there is a maintenance template on the article. It is perfectly OK if a template stays on an article for a few months, until an uninvolved editor reviews the article. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 20:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I wish you could put that onto talk page on article.20footfish (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. It is confusing with all these different places. I wrote on your talk page as an apology. Thank you for the explanation there Bonadea. I just would appreciate a comment to say that its for multiple editors. I would love to explain but everyone can read everything here so, my reasons are personal and not COI but I should not even have started this, I guess. Its okay. I would really like that comment there if you are allowed and able to do it on the talk page.20footfish (talk) 20:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

publshing for review

Hello, I have just done the article about musician, with references , I do not know how to publish for review in order to public seen. Please advise. Thanks. Sam Novras (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Sam Novras Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to click the "Resubmit" button in the decline notice. 331dot (talk) 20:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Formatting text box

Hi, I am trying to create a textbox. So far, I have got the following: {|style="background:none;width:{{{width|100}}}px;border-collapse:collapse;align:{{{align|center}}}" | {{{payload}}} |}

There are two problems that I need resolving: 1) removing the border around the text, and 2) correctly aligning the text within the box. I have searched through Help:Tables, and the above is the best I can find. Any suggestions? Thanks. DBoffey (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

CSS border and text-align may help you. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 21:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. That seems to have solved it. DBoffey (talk) 17:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-Protected pages

Will I get a notification when the 4 days are up? I have made 10 edits already. LilyIsGreat (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LilyIsGreat. You are now autoconfirmed and can edit semi-protected articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Helper

Do you make my page? Aditya Chaurasia (Sahil) (talk) 00:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

The content of your draft Draft:Sr timeline appears to be to promote your business. This is not what Wikipedia is. Please delete all content. Teahouse hosts are volunteers who anser question about how to be an editor, not to make articles on request. David notMD (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Question from Cinnamon Bells

How do I write an infobox? Cinnamon Bells 4040 (talk) 02:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cinnamon Bells 4040. You can find out more information about infoboxes at WP:INFOBOX. In most cases, you don't need to write (i.e. create) and infobox yourself from scratch; there are many infoboxes which have already been created to others as seen here. All you need to do is add an infobox template to an article and then fill in the parameters. If you do want to create a new infobox, you can find out information on how to do so here, but you probably should ask a place like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes first to see if a new infobox is really needed first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:12, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@Cinnamon Bells 4040: Another way to find an appropriate existing infobox is to look for articles about similar subjects that have infoboxes and copy the code from one. I.e., edit the article from which you want to copy the infobox, copy the code to your clipboard, cancel, edit the article into which you want to insert the infobox, paste your clipboard into it, edit parameter values as needed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:28, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

references

I am wondering if I can use wikipedia as a citation? I am also wondering what to do if I'd like to have two citations.... Rosenberg.suzanne (talk) 02:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rosenberg.suzanne. If you mean as a "citation for another Wikipedia article", then the answer is no; Wikipedia doesn't consider itself to be a reliable source for any purpose as explained here (except perhaps if it's an article about Wikipedia itself). Moreover, many other websites take their content directly from Wikipedia and such content is also not considered a reliable source per WP:MIRROR or WP:CIRCULAR. As for your second question, I'm not sure what you mean by two citations. If you mean cite the same source more than once for different content in the same article, then that is allowed. If you mean have two citations to different sources for the same content in the same article, then that is also allowed. A citation is allowed to be multiple times or multiple citations are allowed to be used. You can find a little more about citations in Wikipedia:Citing sources. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

If you mean that you want to cite WP in an off-WP work, see WP:Citing Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

About Roman Polanski

Hi there, i am regular reader of WIKI for last 15 years and more. as usual today i came to know Roman polanski birthday is this date as it shows in my facebook memory and i remember i read it too there in Wiki page for years but today as i checked here i found Roam Polanski birthday is on 18th of August. why is it so? please correct it. Dubeydelhi (talk) 04:16, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dubeydelhi: the date of birth comes from All Movie Guide. "Roman Polanski – Biography". The New York Times website. Archived from the original on 24 November 2013. Retrieved 20 November 2013. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Translation of entries

Hi. I am fluent in both Hebrew and English. There is a wonderful Wikipedia entry for "Nahal HaArava" in Hebrew. When clicking on "Languages", "English", the reader is directed to a "stub" with a minimal amount of material. Who translates entries from one language to another? Specifically, from Hebrew to English? What is the procedure to get this accomplished? Awaiting your response. Yitzchak Miskin Yitzchakm2 (talk) 08:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Yitzchakm2, welcome to the Teahouse. Short answer: You :) For more information have a close look at Wikipedia:HOWTRANS. Hope my answer was of help. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Yitzchakm2. I notice that he:נחל הערבה has only two references, one of them to what looks like a government document, and the other to YouTube. I haven't tried to read them, but I suspect that they do not, together, meet the requirements for sourcing for an article in English Wikipedia: Government documents are usually primary sources, and YouTube can rarely be used as a source. So if you translated that article, you would need to find some secondary sources. (Yes, I know the existing stub has no references; but we are more picky about new articles). --ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Delay in reviewing my new article

I crafted Draft:Honourable Nyerere Ogbonna since few days ago. Why has this article not yet been reviewed in order to get a page of its own on Wikipedia. Why the delay? Please can someome assist me to do justice to this article? Nwachinazo (talk) 09:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Nwachinazo You have not actually submitted the draft for review; I will shortly add the appropriate information so you can do so. 331dot (talk) 09:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Nwachinazo I have added the proper information so you can submit the draft. Due to the backlog, it may take several months. Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 09:42, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Nwachinazo, welcome to the Teahouse. Another user submitted your draft for review a couple of minutes ago. Unfortunately due to the amount of drafts it can take up to several months before it is getting reviewed. Hope my answer was of help for you and thanks 331dot. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Contrary to what CommanderWaterford wrote, I do not see the draft as submitted. Editor 331dot provided the means to submit it. Reviews can occur within days or as long as several months (the system is not a queue). Also, If accepted, there is a period potentially as long as 90 days before the article would show up for a Google or Bing search. David notMD (talk) 09:48, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

And now, you have successfully submitted it. You can continue to work on improving the draft while awaiting review. David notMD (talk) 11:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for your concerns. I am particularly grateful. There's no need for the article Draft:Honourable Nyerere Ogbonna to still be delayed since you can help out in giving it a speedy review and approval. I have tried to cite 11 independent sources and tried as much as possible to maintain a neutra tone. Also, I am guided by the Wikipedia policies and guidelines to the best of my knowledge. I think this article needs your supports. Thank you once one.Nwachinazo (talk) 11:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Nwachinazo, check in the submission template at the top of the draft where it says "Improving your odds of a speedy review". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts answer questions about how to edit. Reviewers are an entirely different group of volunteers (although a few people do both). As it states in the notice that this will be reviewed, there are thousands of drafts. The system is not a queue, although reviewers do try to make sure none get too old. Again, can be days, weeks, or sadly, months. The quality of the draft has no bearing on the timing. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Nwachinazo Sorry to disappoint but I have declined the draft, the awards are not notable, and a number of the "sources" were written by the article's subject so are not independent. Theroadislong (talk) 14:05, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Nwachinazo - Do you have a conflict of interest? When an author is in as much of a hurry as you are to get an article approved, we ask whether they have a conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

User:McClenon, I have no conflict of interest.Nwachinazo (talk) 19:54, 30 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwachinazo (talk • contribs) 19:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Notable People

Hello fellow Wikipedians. I notice on this page Birkbeck, University of London that the list of notable people includes the name of my aunt Shirley Toulson. Of course I understand that it would not be appropriate for me to create a page for her but if we can agree that such a page would meet the requirements of notability maybe someone else would like to create one. Bughub (talk) 11:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Under unintended consequences, because there is not an existing article about her, her name has been removed from the list of notables. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bughub:requests here do not often translate in to articles, but today you got lucky: Shirley Toulson. The subject was also notable, which helped. Thanks also to @AleatoryPonderings:. Bughub, as you have a WP:COI you should of course leave the editing to others. Thanks. Possibly (talk) 19:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly:Wow ! Thank you so much !!! Bughub (talk)

Disambiguation - Steve Retson/Steve Retson Project

Hello, There is a red link to Steve Retson in the Scottish Aids Monitor page and I am trying to collate an article on the Steve Retson Project as there is very little on Steve Retson but a lot on the project named in his memory. The idea is to include a bio for him as part of that article until/unless someone can find enough material for him to have his own article.

So how would I go about creating The Steve Retson Project page and making links to Steve Retson go to it? I have been reading up on this but am not quite able to see what I am doing!

In the meantime I will continue to collect information in my sandbox.

Thanks! Siobhanjc (talk) 13:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Siobhanjc. You would create a redirect from his name to the article on the project. That is very easy. You would simply create a page at his name, and place there the redirect code shown on the page I linked. Note that if source editing, you can automatically insert the redirect code through the advanced toolbar (look for the symbol ). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:40, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Update an existing article on Lavar Munroe

I am updating and existing article that currently has 10 plus quality references. before I began my update, the article was fine. Now its saying that my reference sources are not enough, but these are references from notice news outlets, publications etc.

What am I doing wrong?

Here is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavar_Munroe Fredlin82! (talk) 13:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fredlin82! The page had just never been noticed and tagged before. Before your edits it needed tagging and after them it still certainly did. The article has quite a lot of poorly attributed references, some of them cited in the form of bare urls – some of them added by you. I don't want to minimize your contributions. Thank you for these edits to expand the article! Nevertheless, these forms of citations are not ideal. As an example, you added as a reference:

<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/arts/design/drawing-exhibitions.html]</ref>.

Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources#What information to include for an overview, but let me provide an example of a citation that in my view provides better attribution for that reference (using the citation template, {{Cite news}} to provide consistency of formatting):

<ref>{{Cite news|last=Graeber|first=Laurel|work=The New York Times|title=Putting Pencil to Paper, in Galleries and in the Voting Booth|date=October 22, 2020|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/arts/design/drawing-exhibitions.html}}</ref>.

At the end of this sentence I will post both your form of that citation and mine, and then you can see how they display below and compare their output; I think you'll see what I mean. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

References

State legislatures

All 50 states have state legislatures. State legislative elections have been held and new members and leadership have been elected. Unfortunately, nearly 3 months after the election, significant updates have not been done. A lot of information is out of date. So Will any concrete step be taken to update the house and senate pages of all 50 state legislatures? Regards, Ppt2003 (talk) 13:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Ptp2003 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can, based on what interests them. If you would like to see particular work done, I invite you to pitch in and lend a hand. Requests of others to update articles are rarely effective. 331dot (talk) 13:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Ppt2003. As I expect you may know, Wikipedia has no central authority that monitors gaps and dispatches editors to fix them. Rather, Wikipedia is entirely a volunteer project, whose editors edit what interests them. In the absence of such central organization, we can only hope some volunteer like you notice a gap and decides to roll up his or her sleeves to fix it. I mean that earnestly. Since you are the one who noticed this gap, and you appear concerned it exists, you are likely one of our the best bets for filling it. Nevertheless, we do have Wikiprojects that may have aspirations for addressing gaps and doing such updates you are here about. So, one tack you can take is to go to articles on state legislatures, look to the talk pages to see if there's a Wikiproject that has proclaimed it within its ambit, and post that Wikiproject's discussion page about this. I took a look for New York, and found Wikipedia:WikiProject US State Legislatures (which appears to me to be the most centralized place to post about this issue globally), as well as Wikipedia:WikiProject Capital District and Wikipedia:WikiProject New York (state). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm from korean wikipedia.

How can i make a userboxes?

--🇰🇷Republic of korea🇰🇷 (KOREA) 14:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC) 🇰🇷Republic of korea🇰🇷 (KOREA) 14:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi 윤은강 I'm not very clear on what you're asking. Is your question about using (or creating) an infobox here or at the Korean Wikipedia?

If the former, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes and Help:Infobox for material about their use here, and please note that numerous infoboxes already exist; you probably just need to find the right one and fill out the parameters for any particular use, rather than create a new one. (often the easiest way to place one is to find a similarly situated article that is already using an infobox; copy its code; tailor for your use.)

If the latter, the Korean Wikipedia has infoboxes; its overview page about them is at 위키백과:편집 지침/정보상자, and the main (meta) infobox template in use there appears to be {{틀:정보상자}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Machine translation/기계 번역:

안녕하세요 윤은강 나는 당신이 무엇을 요구하는지 명확하지 않습니다. 여기 또는 한국어 위키 백과에서 정보 상자를 사용 (또는 생성)하는 것에 대한 질문이 있습니까?

전자의 경우 참조하십시오 Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes 과 Help:Infobox 여기에 사용에 대한 자료가 있으며 수많은 정보 상자가 이미 존재합니다. 당신은 아마도 새로운 것을 생성하는 대신 적합한 것을 찾아서 특정 용도에 대한 매개 변수를 채워야 할 것입니다. (종종 하나를 배치하는 가장 쉬운 방법은 이미 정보 상자를 사용하고있는 유사하게 배치 된 기사를 찾고 코드를 복사하고 사용에 맞게 조정하는 것입니다.)

후자의 경우 한국어 Wikipedia에 정보 상자가 있습니다. 그들에 대한 개요 페이지는 위키백과:편집 지침/정보상자, 사용중인 기본 (메타) 정보 상자 템플릿은 {{틀:정보상자}}. 친애하는--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@윤은강: It seems you're asking about userboxes, not infoboxes. You might be interested in Wikipedia:Userboxes. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you

--🇰🇷Republic of korea🇰🇷 (KOREA) 16:46, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks GoingBatty! Sorry @윤은강:... obviously ... d'oh! Brain fart.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:12, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

non-existent page or no link at all

Is it ok to leave a link in red(non-existent page) or should I go further and leave out the posible link in black? I'm editing squads of football clubs and some don't have a wikipedia page SportingFan FC (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@SportingFan FC: The appropriate guideline is Wikipedia:Red link. GoingBatty (talk) 16:45, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi SportingFan FC. Do you think the subjects of these links are plausibly notable? – that is, does it appear likely to you that multiple reliable, secondary, independent sources sources have written about the subjects in substantive detail such that a verifable article could be written based upon them that would be more than a stub? If "yes", make a red link. If "no", don't link. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:49, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

How to upload image with fair use

Whenever we upload an image on wikipedia it asks us that if it is our own work, but I have seen many non free images which are uploaded under fair use, How do I upload fair use images as it always asks "Is it your own work" and if yen, only then we are able to upload images. ExclusiveEditor (talk) 16:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: Try using the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, where you will be prompted with the appropriate fair use options. GoingBatty (talk) 16:47, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

The Teahouse

Hey, I don't know what this Teahouse is about anyone can tell me? is it about questions & something ? Bebrasofficial (talk) 17:13, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bebrasofficial: Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is intended to be a question forum for new users when they have questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Other questions can be asked at the reference desk. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

How do we get to a consensus when another user keeps undoing my changes?

Hi there, I'm new to wiki. I made a few mis-steps when I first joined but am trying to reach a consensus on this page Jota Aviation. I think it comes down to this: I think the company Chairman and Owner's political campaigning and statements against government mandated face masks are relevant to an airline that has a policy enforcing face masks, particularly as the Chairman and Owner has founded a political movement that campaigns against mandated face masks. Another poster disagrees that it is relevant so feels it doesn't belong on the wiki article, and then removes my edits.

I'm going to work on the assumption that we are both acting in good faith but how do we resolve this? I've started a discussion on the Talk page but it doesn't feel like we're getting anywhere.

It may be relevant to say that the article is tagged, 'This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view.'

Thanks in advance for any advice. Itcontractor (talk) 19:40, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Itcontractor, when a talk page discussion between two users stalls, the best place to go is WP:3O, where you can get a third opinion from someone uninvolved. Looking at the talk page in question, I haven't read it but your reply is quite long, which can be a deterrent to productive discussion. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:47, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your response. Will give that a try. Itcontractor — Preceding undated comment added 19:51, 30 January 2021 (UTC)