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Recently there's been a controversy brewing after someone noticed that the loop on the far right of Cracker Barrel's logo resembles a whip. Many have responded by boycotting the store and regretting their purchases. Is this worthy of inclusion under the Controversies section yet? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.164.18.97|73.164.18.97]] ([[User talk:73.164.18.97#top|talk]]) 17:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Recently there's been a controversy brewing after someone noticed that the loop on the far right of Cracker Barrel's logo resembles a whip. Many have responded by boycotting the store and regretting their purchases. Is this worthy of inclusion under the Controversies section yet? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.164.18.97|73.164.18.97]] ([[User talk:73.164.18.97#top|talk]]) 17:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Per [[Wikipedia:Featured article review]], edits need to be considered since this is at FA status that seems too be falling short. |
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1) The lead has become unruly and is overly focused on controversy. The issues can be discussed in the prose and I wonder why we even have that many sources in the lead. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cracker_Barrel&oldid=492366393|FAC version] had 1 of 3 paragraphs devoted to controversy, but it has gotten out of hand with controversy dominating the lead |
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2) There seems to be a lot of reverts in the last couple months. Looking further in to the history this seems to be a minor lightning rod of an article which has made it inherently unstable. |
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3) MOS:Images is not met |
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3a. Why is the gift shop image under[[Cracker Barrel#Restaurants]] left justified and sandwiching with "A Cracker Barrel guest playing peg solitaire" |
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3b. 2012 wasn't ''that'' long ago, so where is the alt text? |
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4) Sourcing |
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4a. Looks OK overall but a lot of primary sourcing |
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4b. At least one date in inconsistent and publish date with access date is not consistent. |
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4c. Is [[Human Rights Campaign]] or the NAACP reliable sources on this subject? |
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4d. Why is [[staff writer]] even wikilinked in a source? |
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4e. I verified at least one dead link and there are multiple other flags and timeouts per the external link tool. |
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5) The weight given to controversy alone makes the article read as a "hit peice". I'm not saying that there is no room for criticism, but: |
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5a. Even the section titles don't meet the MOS on how to use dashes with [[Cracker Barrel#Race- and gender-based discrimination lawsuits]] |
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5b. And of course [[WP:UNDUE]] and [[Wikipedia:Criticism]]; it would be much better to reduce the overall footprint or try to integrate [[Cracker Barrel#Controversies]] in to the history section. Note: The FA nom did have a "controversy" section in 2012 and I am actually surprised that got past the reviewers. |
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Origin of name
Where does the name come from? What does it mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.90.93.21 (talk) 23:55, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Interesting Read
I too found the topic rather boring at first, but was unaware of all the controversy surrounding the restaurant chain. The article was well written and it completes its goal of informing readers information that they did not know before they read it. Growing up eating at Cracker Barrels I had no idea that there was so much controversy about their policies and found it shocking. When I first began to read the section of the article that discussed the controversy I thought it was going to be biased against Cracker Barrel. To my surprise, it wasn't. I thinkn this is a good example of an article that is unbiased even though it talks about negative attention it has received. Overall, a great article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelgav09 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Vandalism.
People keep adding stuff about "Brad's wife" to the article, even after semi-protection. Might need to be watched for the next week or two. 2600:8800:2404:5C00:1041:D75F:77D0:B69F (talk) 05:47, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
- This is an online meme, I'm wondering if there should be a brief sub-section in the Controversies section, something about labor practices using it as an example – not that we know the circumstances of the termination, but that it was controversial regardless. It's not the first time that a termination at Cracker Barrel has become a widely-discussed phenomenon. Jack N. Stock (talk) 13:43, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- We don't mention every passing meme in the main article. Let's at least wait and see if there's substantial coverage that continues in reliable secondary sources. Jonathunder (talk) 13:14, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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--(t) Josve05a (c) 17:06, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Not a single one of which makes even a remote assertion that the "wife" is of any substantial value to this article at all. Collect (talk) 19:02, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
- Agreed - no need to cover every trivial meme. Kuru (talk) 01:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yup. What with the WaPo and all, maybe it belongs in List of complete nonsense or whatever we have for stuff like this, but not here. Herostratus (talk) 01:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- It may be a "silly meme" but it has received massive national media attention from outlets like the Washington Post [[1]]. Calling it a "silly meme" and not including anything about it, for example under "controversies", at this point is clearly inserting biased personal opinions into the article (bias can represent itself as lies of omission). Even the CIA has a task force on "meme warfare" and memology is a major recognized active area of study that has profound influence on the world. It is most certainly and unarguably of great significance to this article, vandalism notwithstanding. Even if it is a passing meme, you can be certain it will be studied at length by people who are interested in social media, corporate presence, and memeology. 144.92.166.201 (talk) 17:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK. Well, we do have List of memes. It would be there it should go since it better answers the question "What are some memes?" than the question "What is Cracker Barrel like?". The thing is, every entry in List of memes has its own article, so you'd want to do that first. Could we have an article on this? Speaking as the author of Vodka eyeballing and Planking (fad) and Beezin', my answer is: Yes. Yes, we could. So go to it, colleague! Herostratus (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Hmm, Beezin'. Note that Burt's Bees was popularly sold in Cracker Barrel. This may all be a delicately crafted web of nonsense. Kuru (talk) 23:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK. Well, we do have List of memes. It would be there it should go since it better answers the question "What are some memes?" than the question "What is Cracker Barrel like?". The thing is, every entry in List of memes has its own article, so you'd want to do that first. Could we have an article on this? Speaking as the author of Vodka eyeballing and Planking (fad) and Beezin', my answer is: Yes. Yes, we could. So go to it, colleague! Herostratus (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- It may be a "silly meme" but it has received massive national media attention from outlets like the Washington Post [[1]]. Calling it a "silly meme" and not including anything about it, for example under "controversies", at this point is clearly inserting biased personal opinions into the article (bias can represent itself as lies of omission). Even the CIA has a task force on "meme warfare" and memology is a major recognized active area of study that has profound influence on the world. It is most certainly and unarguably of great significance to this article, vandalism notwithstanding. Even if it is a passing meme, you can be certain it will be studied at length by people who are interested in social media, corporate presence, and memeology. 144.92.166.201 (talk) 17:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2017
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I notice that Cracker Barrel only currently employed 69,999 people (minus Brad's Wife) WeWantJusticeForBradsWife (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Requested move 18 May 2017
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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) —MRD2014 📞 contribs 21:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Cracker Barrel → Cracker Barrel Old Country Store – Company's official name; want to distinguish from Cracker Barrel cheese or actual cracker barrels Mvcg66b3r (talk) 23:47, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:58, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Contesting. I firmly believe that "Cracker Barrel" is the common name for this restaurant chain, which per WP:COMMONNAME should be used over the official name. SkyWarrior 01:50, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Mvcg66b3r and SkyWarrior: Queried move request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:58, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Weak oppose: The proposed name seems overly lengthy and unlikely to be commonly used (and potentially misleading, since these are not really country stores). Note also that the extra words are deemphasized on the logo shown in the article. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:49, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 12:20, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as WP:COMMONNAME is policy, and this seems to be the primary use of the phrase. WP:HN may be appropriate for other uses, but I couldn't find articles for either of the others (Cracker Barrel (cheese) redirects to List of Kraft brands). Jack N. Stock (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - Per WP:COMMONNAME. Meatsgains (talk) 00:17, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose move per WP:COMMONNAME and all above. ONR (talk) 14:07, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose (obviously) per WP:COMMONNAME. I think WP:SNOW may need to be considered as well. SkyWarrior 14:37, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
- Well, there really isn't another major use of "cracker barrel" here. There is the actual concept of a "cracker barrel", which is the original and probably most encyclopedic meaning, and what many people are actually looking for. But we don't have that. We have Barrel, but that's kind of broad. It has an extensive "Use today" section, but not a "Past use" section, where we could discuss pickle barrels and other types of food barrels too, which is a notable thing in the history of food transportation, storage, and marketing, I think. But we don't have it yet. The other uses of "cracker barrel" are fairly trivial. The cheese is a minor thing and just redirects to a list. There are or were a couple of car races with "Cracker Barrel" in their name. There is a term, "cracker barrel" which means cornpone, unsophisticated. But its not in Wiktionary, yet. It's possible that we should have a dab page, one pointing to the restaurant and one pointing to Barrel, and also the races, and with the Wiktionary link when that page is made. Maybe. But if we don't have a dab page, we shouldn't move this one. Who cares what the legal name is? Herostratus (talk) 15:54, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per COMMONNAME. Lepricavark (talk) 21:04, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
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Your section map about Cracker Barrel restaurants has omitted the one nearest to me: Washington, PA 1008 Trinity Circle Washington, PA 15301-2972 724-222-7050 207.255.126.78 (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Where are you seeing a location map? Kuru (talk) 15:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not done - We don't have maps showing the locations of retail outlets in any of our articles, so you must be seeing this on another platform e.g. Google, Bing, etc. which are outside of our control. - Arjayay (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
NASCAR Sponsorship
Cracker Barrel's sponsorship turned into a fiasco and eventually a lawsuit. I believe it merits a mention and I'm seeking opinions of others as to where this information should be mentioned. Is the preference under the existing controversies section or should it be mentioned after the NASCAR information already in the article? Modor (talk) 22:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)Modor
- Are you referring to the lawsuit brought by Cracker Barrel regarding Fox's coverage of the 2001 Cracker Barrel Old Country Store 500? It seems trivial in the overall history of Cracker Barrel. Jack N. Stock (talk) 06:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
- It might be worth a mention in that article, but probably not here. Jonathunder (talk) 14:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
- I agree that it could be mentioned in 2001 Cracker Barrel Old Country Store 500, particularly as it ended the sponsorship. Jack N. Stock (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- It might be worth a mention in that article, but probably not here. Jonathunder (talk) 14:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Adding section on Cracker Barrel logo controversy
Recently there's been a controversy brewing after someone noticed that the loop on the far right of Cracker Barrel's logo resembles a whip. Many have responded by boycotting the store and regretting their purchases. Is this worthy of inclusion under the Controversies section yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.164.18.97 (talk) 17:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Consider FARC
Per Wikipedia:Featured article review, edits need to be considered since this is at FA status that seems too be falling short.
1) The lead has become unruly and is overly focused on controversy. The issues can be discussed in the prose and I wonder why we even have that many sources in the lead. The version had 1 of 3 paragraphs devoted to controversy, but it has gotten out of hand with controversy dominating the lead
2) There seems to be a lot of reverts in the last couple months. Looking further in to the history this seems to be a minor lightning rod of an article which has made it inherently unstable.
3) MOS:Images is not met
3a. Why is the gift shop image underCracker Barrel#Restaurants left justified and sandwiching with "A Cracker Barrel guest playing peg solitaire"
3b. 2012 wasn't that long ago, so where is the alt text?
4) Sourcing
4a. Looks OK overall but a lot of primary sourcing
4b. At least one date in inconsistent and publish date with access date is not consistent.
4c. Is Human Rights Campaign or the NAACP reliable sources on this subject?
4d. Why is staff writer even wikilinked in a source?
4e. I verified at least one dead link and there are multiple other flags and timeouts per the external link tool.
5) The weight given to controversy alone makes the article read as a "hit peice". I'm not saying that there is no room for criticism, but:
5a. Even the section titles don't meet the MOS on how to use dashes with Cracker Barrel#Race- and gender-based discrimination lawsuits
5b. And of course WP:UNDUE and Wikipedia:Criticism; it would be much better to reduce the overall footprint or try to integrate Cracker Barrel#Controversies in to the history section. Note: The FA nom did have a "controversy" section in 2012 and I am actually surprised that got past the reviewers.
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