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*'''Comment'''. Catalonia is not a state in dispute (strictly), nor a dependent territory. The elections are very significant due to the institutional crisis with Madrid and with historical results (I am a Catalan socialist, so it has been a good night), but due to their status as regionals I do not know if they have the possibility of being in ITN. the context is not the same as in 2017. It will be an interesting debate. [[User:Alsoriano97|Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 08:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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2021 Catalan regional election
Blurb: The Socialists' Party of Catalonia, led by Salvador Illa (pictured), wins the regional election. (Post)
News source(s): Euronews, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Impru20 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Significant election, significant result. Relevant sentence from WP:ITN/R: "Disputed states and dependent territories should be discussed at WP:ITN/C and judged on their own merits."
Not from the area myself, so if anything here is mistaken feel free to be bold and fix it yourself. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Catalonia is not a state in dispute (strictly), nor a dependent territory. The elections are very significant due to the institutional crisis with Madrid and with historical results (I am a Catalan socialist, so it has been a good night), but due to their status as regionals I do not know if they have the possibility of being in ITN. the context is not the same as in 2017. It will be an interesting debate. Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Pat Russell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
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- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (February 14). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
New world record in speed skating
Blurb: Nils van der Poel set a new world record in speed skating on 10 000 m. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nils van der Poel sets a new speed skating world record in the men's 10,000 meters.
News source(s): Eurosport
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- Nominated by Mango från yttre rymden (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Not sure how to properly phrase it in English, so please fix/improve. Also not sure which article should be the highlighted one. Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 23:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have suggested an altblurb. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment stub BLP, would require significant work to get it on the Main Page. Would List of world records in speed skating be better or is this one of those topics that requires the person to be posted as bold?130.233.213.199 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: W. J. M. Lokubandara
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Created by Chamal N (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gihan Jayaweera (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: On the shorter side but referencing looks to be adequate. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Could use some more depth in the political career section about what he did in those roles. SpencerT•C 22:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Doug Mountjoy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport
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- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former UK Champion and World finalist in snooker. Article is very undersourced but this will be easier to fix when the obits come out Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment CNs remain, but the tag from 2012 seems resolved. Ref. 6 is not suitable, but is presumably a placeholder for now.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Enrique Rodríguez Galindo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Mundo
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Spanish ex-Civil Guard convicted for being part of the "dirty war" against ETA terrorism. Dies from covid. He died yesterday, but I created his article today and I think is quite neutral. Copy-edit is needed. Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. I have gone through only half the article, and there are a number of sourcing issues. At the very least, the text in the article contains more facts than in the sources, thus requiring more sources. – robertsky (talk) 19:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose too much unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD/Blurb: Carlos Menem
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former President of Argentina Carlos Menem (pictured) dies at the age of 90. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Página 12, CNN, WaPo, Bloomberg, WSJ, AJ, AP, NYT, Reuters
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- Nominated by CoryGlee (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former President of Argentina. Great ally of the US. CoryGlee (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support GA – not much discussion needed. Let's get this through ASAP. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 15:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- As a ten-year head of state and member of the Argentine Senate until his death, he might deserve a blurb as well. Would support one, personally. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Update: I've added a blurb and a photo. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- As a ten-year head of state and member of the Argentine Senate until his death, he might deserve a blurb as well. Would support one, personally. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Opposenot seeing a prose update covering his death. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Added. Thanks for the catch. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 15:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man Thanks for that, in the rush, everybody seemed to forget that, the little known about his fresh recent death has been added. CoryGlee (talk) 15:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Just the last foreign honour to reference. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, Hi friend, could you check now please? It's been sourced in Spanish. The article explains why the Order is considered racist after the George Floyd killing and cites (I put in quote) the Latin American leaders awarded the Order, among them Menem. CoryGlee (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Cool, just need to pick which El Comercio it is in that source. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man Oh, I'm sorry, I just added it's El Comercio from Perú. CoryGlee (talk) 16:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb good to go to RD while discussion continues on blurb. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man Oh, I'm sorry, I just added it's El Comercio from Perú. CoryGlee (talk) 16:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Cool, just need to pick which El Comercio it is in that source. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, Hi friend, could you check now please? It's been sourced in Spanish. The article explains why the Order is considered racist after the George Floyd killing and cites (I put in quote) the Latin American leaders awarded the Order, among them Menem. CoryGlee (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Just the last foreign honour to reference. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man Thanks for that, in the rush, everybody seemed to forget that, the little known about his fresh recent death has been added. CoryGlee (talk) 15:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Added. Thanks for the catch. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 15:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Pretty decent article and the concerns noted above have been addressed JW 1961 Talk 15:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support GA, and death info has now been added. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support It is clear given his rule as President of Argentina, it should be a sufficient to be posted as blurb. He has credited to the involvement to control inflation. 36.76.235.92 (talk) 19:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb This is a clear-cut case. He was the most notable and influentual Argentine president after Juan Perón, remembered for his efforts in conceiving economic policies aimed at tackling the harsh stagflation from the 1980s. His BONEX plan, peso-to-dollar peg and railway privatisation have found place as real-world examples in many recent textbooks on public finance and macroeconomics.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb per Kiril Simeonovski. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD whilst discussion continues. Black Kite (talk) 20:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Hi all, I don't know if as add to all the info by Kiril Simeonovski it is important, but Menem made Argentina major non-NATO ally in 1998 for Argentina's participation in the Gulf War. Cheers. CoryGlee (talk) 21:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb per several above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- RD only – no blurb — No longer widely known internationally. (Frail, sick old person dies at 90.) – Sca (talk) 22:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I hate to tell you that you're misapplying that cliché. He held a public office at the time of his death.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Tenure as president ended more than 20 years ago. – Sca (talk) 23:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Menem was serving his third term as a Senator from La Rioja, winning his latest election in 2017. Joofjoof (talk) 23:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb futile as it is to do so per NOTMANDELA --LaserLegs (talk) 23:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's not a policy. That's an essay you created. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Former longtime G20 president. Conducted various internal reforms and entered textbooks. Plus Menem is a level-5 vital article, so importance checks out. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Moved to blurb as he fell of RD Stephen 00:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Like Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Stephen:, is it possible to put an image for the blurb? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Kadir Topbaş
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NTV, Hurriyet
Credits:
- Nominated by Ahmetlii (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ue06gr (talk · give credit), Myxomatosis57 (talk · give credit), PCN02WPS (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Old municipal mayor of Istanbul. Served 13 years at that position. Ahmetlii (talk) 09:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose several unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have added sources to unreferenced parts of the article. The Rambling Man, I'd appreciate if you could re-evaluate. I am also adding the article's updaters to the nomination. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose As with many politician articles nominated at RD, Kadir_Topbaş#Political_career is mostly a list of positions without a description of what he accomplished in those positions; a resume in prose format at present. SpencerT•C 04:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Spencer: I've added 4 sentences about what happened during his mayoral term. Hope it's satisfactory. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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(Ready) RD: James Ridgeway
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Viajero (talk · give credit) and Jcny2021 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American journalist. Article requires work. Will get to it later tonight. If someone wants to get to it earlier, please feel free to. Edits done. Article has shaped into a good C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Marking ready. SpencerT•C 04:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) 2021 Fukushima earthquake
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Blurb: A magnitude 7.1 earthquake strikes offshore near the eastern coast of Japan, injuring at least 151 people. (Post)
News source(s): The Japan Times, BBC, NYT, [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Created by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by James410JP (talk · give credit)
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- Oppose in the absence of any serious damage. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 05:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is Japan. The country is literally made against earthquakes. I've seen the footage from the earthquake, and it looks like another Saturday morning with broken glasses. No important effect caused by the earthquake. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose absent large amounts of casualties and damage, which even with a 7.1 earthquake is rare in Japan. 331dot (talk) 08:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per previous. A seismic event, for once of scant significance to humankind. – Sca (talk) 13:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - no major impact. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Yuri Vlasov
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TASS
Credits:
- Nominated by 5.44.170.9 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Early bodybuilder. Soviet Olympic Gold champion. --5.44.170.9 (talk) 21:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support. The article seems reasonable and fairly well sourced but could use a copy-edit if possible. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Opposeper WP:DENY- the nominating IP has been blocked for WP:BLOCKEVASION. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I can see why that's worth informing other editors about, but so long as the article legitimately meets WP:ITNCRIT, I don't see the harm in considering the nomination in good faith. Also note that this IP user, nor any of their previous accounts, has made no edits to the article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The harm of putting an article updated by a sockpuppet/block evader on the front page is that it encourages block evaders to come back and edit. So we should deny them the recognition. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- As I mentioned, this user did not update or even edit the page whatsoever. (Generally, though, I would still disagree with your point per the reasons I articulated above.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- My mistake, yes WP:DENY doesn't apply if they haven't edited it (I mistakenly thought they were updater rather than nominator). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- As I mentioned, this user did not update or even edit the page whatsoever. (Generally, though, I would still disagree with your point per the reasons I articulated above.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- The harm of putting an article updated by a sockpuppet/block evader on the front page is that it encourages block evaders to come back and edit. So we should deny them the recognition. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I can see why that's worth informing other editors about, but so long as the article legitimately meets WP:ITNCRIT, I don't see the harm in considering the nomination in good faith. Also note that this IP user, nor any of their previous accounts, has made no edits to the article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality with a few unsourced paragraphs, but WP:DENY doesn't apply here. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Can you tag these unsourced paragraphs please? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality too much unsourced content. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support and comment The article is a well structured topically rounded BLP. I have spot checked several sources and everything is fine. I'm unsure what else could be added, because none of the above oppose !votes have tagged anything. If none can raise a definite issue with the article, I think this should go up.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Trump acquitted
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Blurb: The United States Senate votes to acquit former President Donald Trump on one article of impeachment. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United States Senate votes to acquit former President Donald Trump for the second time.
Alternative blurb II: By a vote of 57-43 the United States Senate fails to reach the two-thirds needed to convict former President Donald Trump.
News source(s): Star-Tribune NBC The Hill BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Phillip Samuel (talk · give credit) and 36.76.235.92 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose per issues of neutrality and lack of citations at the end of some paragraphs... support once that is fixed. NoahTalk 21:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support on principle but wait until the article is updated. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:03, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: I added the altblurb about this so the blurb now refers to Donald Trump as "former President" instead of "President" as the latter now in office is held by Joe Biden. Nice4What, you can feel free to update the blurb. 36.76.235.92 (talk) 21:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle if that was the only article of impeachment. I assume the impeachment is now over. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- John M Wolfson, it is indeed. The second time around, only one article was adopted by the house, as opposed to the two they adopted the first time. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The acquittal changes nothing and he can run for president in the next election. I'd have supported this had he been convicted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - what impact does this have on the world or even on the United States? Let the dead horse lie. I don't feel as if anything but the capital riots themselves will have any sort of long-term impact. - Floydian τ ¢ 21:29, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose status quo maintained and we all knew this was the guaranteed outcome. Ding ding, next! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Oppose not important event yet as the acquittal is expected. 116.206.35.20 (talk) 21:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the trial was compelling, some of the 7 R's who voted to convict are interesting, but ultimately this is just a prologue in the sad tragedy that was the Trump administration. I'll support when the DOJ is done with him and he's sentenced to ADX Florence. It's probably time to close this one. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. First, we typically only post the election of a new president for other countries (as far as presidential matters are concerned), so it would be inappropriate to post this since we wouldn't do it for any other country. We must constantly be vigilant to avoid US bias. Secondly, the result was expected and has no broader political impact, nationally or internationally. Perhaps a conviction would have merited an item here. --Tataral (talk) 22:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW, we've posted the impeachments of several other presidents: Dilma Rouseff of Brazil, Park Geun-hye of South Korea, the presidents of Peru who were impeached, and the two Trump impeachments. (Can anybody check if we posted both the impeachment and the sentencing?) All of those, except for Trump's, led to their removal of office. We've also posted impeachments that caused removals of non-presidents: Renato Corona of the Philippines. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Don't bother. "American bias" is the flat earth of ITN. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW, we've posted the impeachments of several other presidents: Dilma Rouseff of Brazil, Park Geun-hye of South Korea, the presidents of Peru who were impeached, and the two Trump impeachments. (Can anybody check if we posted both the impeachment and the sentencing?) All of those, except for Trump's, led to their removal of office. We've also posted impeachments that caused removals of non-presidents: Renato Corona of the Philippines. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Have we posted to ITN any acquittals (whether of impeachment or not)? Jim Michael (talk) 22:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support For the unusual nature of a now former President being impeached and tried, makes it news worthy. --AXEdits (talk) 23:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support While I would be the first in line to warn ITN off being the Trump newsticker (or AMPol newsticker) and that while this result itself was mostly expected, we're still talking about a world leader having gone through a trial about crimes done by their person at a national level and had a judgement handed down. Take out "Trump" and "US" and we would be posting this if it was anyone else. --Masem (t) 23:03, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support The completion of a trial of the leader of a country is ITN-worthy. Article has a few empty sections that should be filled out, but quality is fine overall. (But as usual, people always forget to mention "2021" at the start of sections.) Should be the last Trump blurb on ITN at least (unless he's arrested or something). Nixinova T C 23:19, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Status quo maintained plus he is already out office. So removal was moot. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 23:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- If he was convicted, he would have lost ex-president priveledges and would have been prevented from running from president again. The case was not without a moot result just because Trump was no longer president. (that was the exercise of the vote on the first day of the trial.) --Masem (t) 06:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support. This is a political event with substantial ramifications for the next election and beyond. BD2412 T 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support this is obviously historic/significant. 98.116.113.193 (talk) 00:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support per above. By the logic of some of the above !opposes, any acquittal would not merit posting, which makes no sense. Davey2116 (talk) 00:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support on notability, considering the wall-to-wall coverage of the case. Top story in many outlets at the moment, including outside the US. Hrodvarsson (talk) 00:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support As an updater for the blurb, i believe that any results of the impeachment trial regardless conviction or acquittal is don't necessary, as long as it remains have historic and significant impact for the United States politics and around the world as he is the first former president to be tried in Senate. 36.76.235.92 (talk) 00:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Think this is too U.S.-centric, not globally notable enough. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 01:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, cool, could you just show me the part in the WP:ITN criteria that requires a story be "globally notable"? --LaserLegs (talk) 02:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose No one cares about this except Americans. CompactSpacez (talk) 02:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- So what? --LaserLegs (talk) 02:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- International news coverage would seem to suggest otherwise. BD2412 T 02:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Largely per Masem. This clearly has global significance and is being covered all over the globe as such. PackMecEng (talk) 02:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support precisely because it is "in the news"—prominently—of countries this purportedly has no impact on e.g. The Independent, which is leading with "Senators clear Trump of inciting insurrection after historic second impeachment trial". But sure, ignore the WP:WEIGHT of sources with the typical wave of systemic not-U.S. bias. We post re-elections of heads of states where the outcome was expected and "nothing changed". Yeah, this is conveniently "different". Except I think there was some fleeting hope that democracy was going to prevail; that task is now left to history, which ITN can help frame.—Bagumba (talk) 02:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support C'mon, we've just posted the election of a country less populous than Bethesda, Maryland. The impeachment trial of a US president will be the subject of intense analysis for years to come. Zagalejo^^^ 02:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support No one wants ITN to become a Trump-ticker, but this is just the fourth impeachment trial of a US president in American history, none of which resulted in convictions, and we now have a conclusion to post about. This is headline news around the world. I think it meets the bar of notability. And a quick skim through the article suggests that it is high enough quality to post on ITN as well. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Foregone conclusion of an exercise in political theatre. There will be follow-on criminal investigations and civil litigation that will carry on for years. We should avoid fixating on this until something conclusive happens. Jehochman Talk 03:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support There have been only four U.S. presidential impeachments in history (the trial of one of which we posted, and surely had Wikipedia been around during the Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton presidencies we would have posted those as well), and as Howard the Duck notes, Wikipedia has posted impeachments of other political figures around the world as well. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Certainly a more historic moment, with more international impact, than another Super Bowl taking place, which was included ITN by default. BlackholeWA (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support If an event will be mentioned in history textbooks, that's probably a good indicator it deserves a spot on ITN. This will be in every U.S. history textbook. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose No effect on a wider scale. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Trump can now run for president in 2024. Lord knows what kind of damage he and his emboldened cult will cause. Zagalejo^^^ 04:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support, widely covered in international news. -- Tavix (talk) 04:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support, we had widely discussed that we would blurb his acquittal or conviction early on. Given the historic nature of the event, it should absolutely be blurbed. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 05:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Now what? He's just a commoner. It isn't significant enough for ITN. STSC (talk) 06:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wasn't Bush Sr. also a commoner when he died and we blurbed his passing? 45.251.33.57 (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- As was Hank Aaron, who we blurbed not even a month ago. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wasn't Bush Sr. also a commoner when he died and we blurbed his passing? 45.251.33.57 (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Since the initial impeachment was posted, this should logically follow. Those opposing should have raised the issue then Gotitbro (talk) 07:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support per Gotitbro, Tavix, Masem and Bagumba. 45.251.33.57 (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support, historically significant. Nsk92 (talk) 12:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. I would have supported if he had been convicted, but 'potentially interesting thing doesn't happen' isn't enough for an ITN blurb IMO. Both sides got their opportunity to grandstand in the media, nothing actually happened. Modest Genius talk 14:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yet regardless this, conviction or acquittal doesn't necessary an thing, as long as the historic trial receive significant international coverage. 36.76.235.92 (talk) 14:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Posts running 19-11 in favor. I'm undecided: historic to a degree and widely covered, but wholly predictable and expected given the numbers; of mere passing interest outside the U.S. – Sca (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral. I honestly don't know. On one hand, it's undoubtedly major national news in the United States. On the other hand, ITN has prided itself on not being the "Trump ticker" and not giving in to U.S. bias. There are valid reasons both for posting and for not posting, as well as downsides to doing either. Definitely a catch-22.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- If we want to post this we should point out the majority voted to convict, but the vote failed because it did not reach the required two-thirds majority. Jehochman Talk 16:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- They can read that in the article - hopefully high in the article. – Sca (talk) 22:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- That may be considered POV. When the law clearly calls for requiring a 2/3 majority to convict, pointing out the presence of a simple majority would seem to be a distraction from the ultimate outcome. --WaltCip-(talk) 16:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, then let’s just state the vote as in altblurb2. That way the reader can see how close conviction was or wasn’t. A phrase like “votes to acquit” is misleading to a reader who doesn’t understand the mechanics. We could say “is acquired when the Senate fails to reach a 2/3 majority”. I think the supermajority is a critical point to include for our readers. Jehochman Talk 16:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support - A US president that is basically given an OK for starting domestic terrorism is notable and historic.BabbaQ (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted This has been a lively debate, and both supporters and opposers have good points, and while I did previously !vote on this, I still believe that this has consensus to post given that the supporters outnumber the opposers approximately 2:1 excluding my !vote, which is a good ratio to have after quite a while of vigorous discussion. Jehochman has a fair point in the mechanics of the vote; we do not post specific numbers on ITN, and I don't think the majority voting to convict is relevant enough for the blurb given the ultimate outcome, so I simply put "is acquitted" to avoid confusion/POV. Any discussion on the blurb itself goes to WP:ERRORS. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting opinion, I think ITN is becoming too, way too US-centric. Just an opinion, don't jump on me please. CoryGlee (talk) 17:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Time flies too fast. Just some weeks ago, people at WT:ITN were complaining there were too many typhoon blurbs. The Philippines was blasted by five in one month, and were pushing for WP:ITNR levels of 100 WP:ITNMINIMUMDEATHS for typhoons. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Well, this is the English Wikipedia, and America is by far the largest English-speaking nation by population. The fact that world events are covered as much as they are, in fact, I would say is a testament to our fight against systemic bias. I agree that there's still some way to go, however. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nothing in the guidelines says anything about "global importance" or "systemic bias", we have a specific guideline against opposing items because they only relate to one country, and if you want to fight your perceived issue of bias, get articles about other countries up to scratch instead of trying to suppress stories from the one country which you believe is over represented. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I really don't like that the successful posting of a nom on ITN verges on whether or not there is a majority of supports to opposes. Putting a "!" in front of "vote" doesn't hide that inconvenient truth.--WaltCip-(talk) 18:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Counting is part of the process, WaltCip, as is weighing the arguments. There were no procedural opposes, nothing really compelling in the supports or opposes so yeah, a count gets to be a factor. I opposed it too, but I don't see posting it as a sign of some underlying defect with ITN (that is exposed by the awful articles which fester in ongoing for months on end) --LaserLegs (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment First (to get that out of the way) it is definitely in the worldwide news. Apart from that, assessing newsworthiness here requires thinking about why this event is seen by so many worldwide outlets as front page material: notwithstanding that the verdict was predictable, notwithstanding the amount of press related subjects have already been given. I leave to your discretion just how relevant the U.S. is these days as a leader and symbol of worldwide democracy. Instead, I will simply point out that impeachment is not just another "ticker tape / dead horse" item. After all, it is supposed to be the ultimate sanction at U.S. leadership levels. It has only been used successfully four times in U.S. presidential history: so not exactly everyday stuff here, even if the past three decades seem to suggest otherwise. When it was conceived, there was no such thing as political parties; but partisan politics has been a significant factor each time it has been invoked. This is actually the least partisan impeachment vote in the U.S. ever. Thus, personally, I do support the "fails to meet the 2/3" suggestion as relevant; but I think the acquittal relevant to post with or without it. - Tenebris 66.11.165.101 (talk) 18:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Leader of culture, sure, but leader of democracy, absolutely not. Agree with the rest though. Nixinova T C 19:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Last chance to sell newspapers with Trump on the front for a few years. Hopefully last time this orange peril makes Wikipedia's main page for a few years. We fought hard to keep this becoming a Trump ticker, but in the end, even he won. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Depends on what kind of newspapers we're talking about. (And BTW, what's a 'newspaper' anyway?) – Sca (talk) 22:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'd be careful who I'd say "he won" around... /s AllegedlyHuman (talk) 20:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- How is this not "extended content"? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh come now, we'll all welcome "Former US president Donald Trump is sentenced to 75 years at USP Marion for crimes committed while in office". --LaserLegs (talk) 23:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Last chance to sell newspapers with Trump on the front for a few years. Hopefully last time this orange peril makes Wikipedia's main page for a few years. We fought hard to keep this becoming a Trump ticker, but in the end, even he won. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Leader of culture, sure, but leader of democracy, absolutely not. Agree with the rest though. Nixinova T C 19:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Alberto Oliart
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Mundo
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Leaded the Ministry of Defence of Spain after the coup d'état of 1981. Dies from COVID-19. I'm working on his article. Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support looks alright. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man I have been improving his article this afternoon and evening. Take a look to see if we can get "strong" support ;). Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support. The article could use a copy-edit, but seems adequate. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Attention required The article seems to be ready for hours. Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 21:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Ongoing: 2021 Myanmar protests
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: For when the military coup blurb rolls off the list. Johndavies837 (talk) 08:28, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Very strong article documenting in depth what's happening on the ground with sources. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose/Wait I'm still running the content diff. A one line update on the 12th lacks specifics and has grammar issues. Another thin edit from the 11th claims police were firing "live" bullets which is not supported by the ref. Usual WP:RGW protest article, sadly. Since these protests will never actually end, we should wait for some "blurb worthy" event in the 2021 Myanmar Coup to post. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- content diff to present. POV comments like "pro-military instigators". Not suitable for main page, IMO. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- LOL "probably live ammunition" this article is rubbish. No "new, pertinent information" added since this nom was opened. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:34, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Some current coverage. [3] [4] [5] – Sca (talk) 15:39, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Article looks good to go. And this is definitely within Ongoing.BabbaQ (talk) 15:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - It's very unlikely the protests will last very long. STSC (talk) 15:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb only; oppose ongoing at this time. Let's post the item as a blurb, since the protests themselves have not been covered on ITN. At that point when the article is about to age off, we can see whether or not the article is meeting Ongoing criteria. These protests articles frequently appear on Ongoing way too long when perhaps a blurb would be more fitting (and indeed, in a time before ongoing, an item like this would have been easily considered for a blurb). SpencerT•C 17:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support, per BabbQ. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb or ongoing, per above. Davey2116 (talk) 00:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support ongoing. This is directly borne out of 2021 Myanmar coup d'état, which had an earlier blurb. I see this as a continuation of that blurb even though it was not stated in that blurb. – robertsky (talk) 05:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Coverage. – Sca (talk) 14:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Could you link to the edit in the target article where that new, pertinent information was added? --LaserLegs (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- P.S. it's a trick question. Whether or not the event is ongoing is irrelevant, is the article still receiving high quality updates? Is it? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Could you link to the edit in the target article where that new, pertinent information was added? --LaserLegs (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support when the blurb rolls off the list. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to ongoing Stephen 00:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sinyo Harry Sarundajang
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 118.208.101.83 (talk · give credit), 103.233.153.51 (talk · give credit), 173.54.205.192 (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Second former governor from Indonesia who died this week. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: A lot of unsourced positions in the infobox. Limited information about what he accomplished in his political roles. SpencerT•C 04:10, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is not ready yet, just contains personal life and career section which are not complete. Hanamanteo (talk) 05:03, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging @SiberianCat and CakalangSantan:, two North Sulawesi article authors, to see if they could improve the Governor section. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 06:28, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Hi Hanamanteo and Spencer, I think you might check it again. For those who wanted to see an English source, see [6]. As for Editrite!, quoting from the aforementioned source:
However, there is no further explanation regarding the cause of the death of the man who is often called Sinyo.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC) - Support looks ok to me. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Nice improvement and expansion. Article tripled in size since my original comment. SpencerT•C 17:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) New Italian government
Blurb: After weeks of political crisis, Mario Draghi is sworn in as Prime Minister of Italy and forms a new government. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mario Draghi (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Italy, leading a national unity government after the resignation of Giuseppe Conte.
Alternative blurb II: Former ECB President Mario Draghi (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Italy, leading a national unity government after the resignation of Giuseppe Conte.
News source(s): Guardian, The New York Times, BBC, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Ritchie92 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The swearing-in ceremony happens at 11:00 AM UTC, so we should wait at least until then to post it. Ritchie92 (talk) 08:47, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Weak oppose If possible, I'd like to see some political background to this beyond the charts and the lead in this article, like what I see at Conte I Cabinet or Conte II Cabinet. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:53, 13 February 2021 (UTC)Support as this has now been added. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sure. Pinging @Nick.mon: and @Broncoviz: who are the main contributors to the Draghi cabinet article. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Was this really a "political crisis"? Italy has had 67 governments since WWII, and as I understand it the resignation of the last government was strategic, to get this result. Not saying I oppose this, just questioning the characterization. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- As it always happens with a government change in a major country, I think we should include it. I’m Italian, maybe I’m a bit biased, but I support Ritchie92’s proposal. -- Nick.mon (talk) 09:08, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
OpposeItaly? Political crisis? Routine. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)- Support – New head of govt. Crisis over. – Sca (talk) 15:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support -
Per ITNR. STSC (talk) 15:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- STSC "Support per ITNR" is not required, as that's the whole point of the ITNR list. 331dot (talk) 20:37, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Point taken. Overall the article seems OK in terms of quality and update. STSC (talk) 05:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- STSC "Support per ITNR" is not required, as that's the whole point of the ITNR list. 331dot (talk) 20:37, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support it's a change of Prime Minister, which is ITNR, even if Italy does this all the time. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:07, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support – While I agree that unfortunately Italy does change their head of government too much, the news itself is worth a mention since this is a national unity cabinet. My two cents. Broncoviz (talk) 17:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The header is referring to the government, the bolded item in the example sentence is Draghi. Can we have some kind of statement on which article we should be looking at here? Support either option: Both are well sourced. Italy changes its government regularly, but it is still a G7 country and changes to its head of government are important. The national unity government/grand coalition aspect makes this less usual as well Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Unknown Temptation and Tone: I'm actually not sure what is better in these cases: if we need to make the government bold then the sentence should be slightly restructured. An option would be:
- Mario Draghi (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Italy, leading a national unity government after the resignation of Giuseppe Conte.
- What about this? --Ritchie92 (talk) 18:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- I like this one. Ready to post when I see some more feedback. --Tone 18:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Unknown Temptation and Tone: I'm actually not sure what is better in these cases: if we need to make the government bold then the sentence should be slightly restructured. An option would be:
- Comment What about Following the resignation of Giuseppe Conte, Mario Draghi is sworn in as Prime Minister of Italy and forms a new government. ? As mentioned above, the resignation was a strategic one. --Tone 18:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Per ITNR, any succession of head of state. --Pithon314 (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Pithon314 PM is head of government, not state, though ITNR still applies. ITNR items do not need support on the merits, as that is the whole point of the list. 331dot (talk) 20:37, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Suggest we post ITNR Draghi soon, without foot-dragging, as another nom. seems likely anon. – Sca (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Support per ITNR. 36.76.235.92 (talk) 20:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- change to Oppose I don't believe it can be posted as blurb due to fact that it likely to be collided with another blurb on the same about conclusion of impeachment trial. 36.76.235.92 (talk) 20:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mh, I don't understand. There is no such thing as "collision" of blurbs. There are many blurbs at the same time in the ITN section. --Ritchie92 (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Holy crap, a spacecraft just narrowly missed Liechtenstein! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mh, I don't understand. There is no such thing as "collision" of blurbs. There are many blurbs at the same time in the ITN section. --Ritchie92 (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- change to Oppose I don't believe it can be posted as blurb due to fact that it likely to be collided with another blurb on the same about conclusion of impeachment trial. 36.76.235.92 (talk) 20:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose While national unity government is almost interested for me and seems be newsworthy, i don't believe Draghi will be come out as legitimate Prime Minister at the time being. The new prime minister will be legitimate if they held an election. As IMO, Draghi is caretaker prime minister, not "legitimate" PM. 116.206.35.20 (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Draghi is the legitimate PM of Italy as per the Italian Constitution. I don't understand your objections. Also, this is ITN/R, so it is automatically relevant for publication in ITN. --Ritchie92 (talk) 00:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support per above. 98.116.113.193 (talk) 23:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support This is ITNR, and the articles are good. Davey2116 (talk) 00:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Passes WP:ITNR. Tucker Gladden 👑 01:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support This is ITNR, so any votes that don't have to do with quality are not relevant. Both Mario Draghi's article and the Draghi Cabinet article have no orange tags. Draghi's article had two uncited sentences, as far as I could see, and the Draghi Cabinet article had one uncited sentence fragment which could probably be fixed just by rewording the sentence; so as far as I can see either article would suffice as the bolded article in terms of quality. I think Mario Draghi would be the better bolded article, however, as this should really be about him as the new head of government. NorthernFalcon (talk) 03:06, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 08:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Rupert Neve
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WSJ
Credits:
- Updated by Ktin (talk · give credit) and Spencer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British-American entrepreneur and audio engineer. Article requires some work before it is ready for homepage / RD. Definitely doable. Will work on it this afternoon, but, if someone wants to get to it earlier, please feel free to do so. Edits done. Article meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Need some guidance on the "Associated Companies" section. Did a round of cleanup of that section, and is also cited. If someone has some feedback on leaving as-is vs removing that section vs any other action, please feel free to let me know. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 17:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Instead of having separate sections for the associated companies, maybe make it 1 section and condense related info into paragraphs? (e.g. anything ARN consultants into 1 paragraph; merge Neve and AMS Neve into 1 paragraph, etc.) Also not sure if we need all the pictures too. Otherwise, looks pretty good to me. Support
if changes are made.SpencerT•C 22:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)- Ktin I went ahead and made those changes. 2 additional comments: what does "ARN Consultants currently trades under the name Rupert Neve Designs" mean? (What are they trading? It's not listed in the stock market, no?) If there are also dates for the associated companies section (what year did they do the designs, etc.) that would be useful if you have access to that info. SpencerT•C 22:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer, Thanks Spencer. Let me give it some search. Doable I think. Ktin (talk) 22:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin I went ahead and made those changes. 2 additional comments: what does "ARN Consultants currently trades under the name Rupert Neve Designs" mean? (What are they trading? It's not listed in the stock market, no?) If there are also dates for the associated companies section (what year did they do the designs, etc.) that would be useful if you have access to that info. SpencerT•C 22:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comments. Edits per the above request completed. Ambivalent on retaining the images as-is vs removing them. I am not an audiophile, but, these might hold meaning for folks who are related to this topic. Article meets hygiene conditions for homepage / RD at this stage. Ktin (talk) 23:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Milford Graves
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): pitchfork, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by wil540_art (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: renowned American jazz drummer, percussionist, professor, researcher/inventor, visual artist/sculptor, gardener/herbalist, and martial artist passed away on February 12, 2021 --Wil540 art (talk) 00:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Graves is an American treasure, a figure vital to experimental music, music therapy, music education, and more. Recent subject of a film (see Full Mantis) and exhibition (Mind Body deal). Rest in peace. --Rgm38 (talk) 14:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-sourced. Sad to see him and bandmate Chick Corea die within three days of one another. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 14:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support He will be missed! Helen Puffer Thwait (talk) 16:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 22:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lynn Stalmaster
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood; Variety; The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 12:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Male casting director. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks good to go. Marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 21:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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(HELP) RD: George Benneh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Graphic
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kandymotownie (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Ghanaian academic. Vice Chancellor of the University of Ghana and a former bureaucrat. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: George_Benneh#Other_activities could referencing. Much of the career section is a list of positions in prose ("CV in prose format") and could use some more detail about what he did or accomplished in those roles. SpencerT•C 04:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose in the main agreeing with Spencer's concerns. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Missing refs have been added. Could someone prose-ify the list of positions in George_Benneh#Other_activities? Joofjoof (talk) 01:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Isadore Singer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American Mathematician. Will work on expanding the article a bit. Should be ready soon. Basic edits done. Article has shaped to a decent C-class biography. Meets expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:35, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Referenced, appropriate depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 04:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:20, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: S. Prestley Blake
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 23:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is a bit bare bones but seems fine all around, well sourced and whatnot. Gex4pls (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment American restaurant co-founder, 208 years of experience between he and his brother. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- InedibleHulk, I’m not convinced they both emerged experienced on the days of their birth? Stephen 10:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Then it's a good thing we don't discuss which recent births to post here. Pretty much everyone starts at the bottom, no article, no nothing. We'd just devolve into a royal baby ticker. But during an ice cream man's first year, that boy learns what milk tastes like, what cold feels like and what a smile buys the world. You can't find that in a book. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- InedibleHulk, I’m not convinced they both emerged experienced on the days of their birth? Stephen 10:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support although surprised there's nothing more to add about such a massive career in those 44 years between 1935 and 1979... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bukhari Daud
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well sourced and updated correctly. Gex4pls (talk) 16:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Indonesian English teacher and regent. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:26, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Please can we add the sources as well while nominating. I have not been able to search / find an English language source that announced this death. While that is absolutely not a prerequisite for posting, will be good for an extra pair of eyes to see the article and the news item before any article goes to homepage. Cheers and good luck. Ktin (talk) 03:43, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Weak oppose: He was known for being Regent of Aceh Besar, but the section about that is mostly about his resignation attempt and has some vague analysis ("assessment" section) without saying much about what he specifically did in his 5-year role. This is a common issue for sub-national politician articles here at RD. SpencerT•C 03:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)- Comment I've drawn this request back after considerations. @Ktin:, I'm sorry but I can't find one. If you allow me to use Fataldeaths.com and www.dead-people.com as a source then I will gladly use it. As for Spencer, I'm combing for sources in kompasdata.id and majalah.tempo.com, the two most reliable sources in Indonesia's media. The latter doesn't give me any results, but the former yields some interesting headlines. I'll see if I could add some more materials regarding his works from the sources. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Spencer: I've added some materials regarding his works from the available sources. I hope this satisfies you. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:28, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 05:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Jayalal Rohana
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sunday Observer, The Morning, Ada Derana
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 2402:4000:2081:3D58:A1B7:2744:1243:FAE6 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sri Lankan actor. Appears to be well-sourced. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Ktin (talk) 19:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose too many appearances missing citations. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Most Distant Known Solar System Object Is FarFarOut
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Blurb: Accurate distance measurements to the object FarFarOut confirm that it is the Solar System's most remote object (Post)
Alternative blurb: FarFarOut is confirmed to be the Solar System's most remote object observable from Earth
News source(s): NOIRLab
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Comment The article is pretty short, and contradicts the blurb. I have added an altblurb more in line with article text. If this is incorrect, go ahead and change it elsewise.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There's currently no mention of this specific discovery in the article as a news event. There's only a few sentences mentioning 2018 AG37 as "announced" in February 2021, which seems strange for an object discovered in 2018 with sources in the article describing it perfectly from 2019. If this were really a major news event, I would think that there should be some hoopla about it in the science community – I'm not saying there isn't, but if so, then the article doesn't currently reflect that at all. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- AllegedlyHuman, right in the lead it says "At a very faint apparent magnitude of +25, only the largest telescopes in the world can observe it.[1] Being so far from the Sun, 2018 AG37 moves very slowly among the background stars and has only been observed 9 times over 2 years.[4] It may require an observation arc of several years to refine the uncertainties in the ~1000 year orbital period and whether it is currently close to or at aphelion (furthest distance from the Sun)", it's physically impossible to have a good idea of how far it is when it was first discovered. At that distance (c. 4.35 to 4.45 times Neptune) probably 80-something percent of the motion or more is just Earth's orbit making it move back and forth in a little squiggle less than 1 degree wide. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure what your point is. (Please understand that I know much less about science than you.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 14:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- For something that far, the discovery will always be too old for ITN when the distance is determined. And you shouldn't expect too much, it's just a speck the size of a millimeter from 30 miles away, smaller than the observers' pixels probably. And even that depends on how bright or dark its color is which is not known. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting. Thanks for the comment. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Unless that's a typo for 2018 the plus or minus error amounts as of 13 months after discovery in the infobox are huge, it's so big it broke their simple error system as it shows a year of 800 plus or minus 940 years. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting. Thanks for the comment. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- For something that far, the discovery will always be too old for ITN when the distance is determined. And you shouldn't expect too much, it's just a speck the size of a millimeter from 30 miles away, smaller than the observers' pixels probably. And even that depends on how bright or dark its color is which is not known. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure what your point is. (Please understand that I know much less about science than you.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 14:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- AllegedlyHuman, right in the lead it says "At a very faint apparent magnitude of +25, only the largest telescopes in the world can observe it.[1] Being so far from the Sun, 2018 AG37 moves very slowly among the background stars and has only been observed 9 times over 2 years.[4] It may require an observation arc of several years to refine the uncertainties in the ~1000 year orbital period and whether it is currently close to or at aphelion (furthest distance from the Sun)", it's physically impossible to have a good idea of how far it is when it was first discovered. At that distance (c. 4.35 to 4.45 times Neptune) probably 80-something percent of the motion or more is just Earth's orbit making it move back and forth in a little squiggle less than 1 degree wide. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose see DYK. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- DYK is the way for this one. There are many TNOs out there and they keep finding new ones. Planet Nine would be an ITN story for sure, otherwise. --Tone 08:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose it was discovered in 2018, and nothing world changing has happened recently. On a different note, this article wouldn't be DYK-eligible unless you make a 5x expansion of the article, or get it up to GA. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- It took 3 years just to pin down its distance to "c. 4.4 Neptunes plus or minus 0.05". It's physically impossible for a 130 AU distance to ever be pinned down well while the discovery is recent enough for ITN. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:19, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose DYK hook material.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Interesting but of no real importance. Gex4pls (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Leslie E. Robertson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by PennySpender1983 (talk · give credit), Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American designer and engineer. Article is not ready yet. I will work on this one later tonight. Edits done. Article meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support raw url and dead link in there. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support I fixed the bare url and the web archive works for the dead url, otherwise looks ok JW 1961 Talk 09:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Joseywales1961, Thanks JW. Much appreciated. Ktin (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:43, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Katherine Creag
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: NBC New York reporter. Unexpected death, unknown cause. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support could be longer perhaps but as noted several times, not everyone here who is notable has a hugely inspirational and influential career. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Something sus about the birth date. The lede only mentions 1973 (without date) but the infobox mentioned 26 December 1973. When I check google 1973 is only featured once in FOX (RS) while 26 December only appears in mirror sites. The rest of RS only mentioned 47 years. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Weak support, Support if above resolved. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)- Jeromi Mikhael, I've removed the unsourced birthdate. As you mention, all obituaries name her as 47 years old. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- AllegedlyHuman Maybe remove the "/1974" part? Her home television, NBC, mentions her birth as 1973. See this also for screenshot. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Done. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:00, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, AllegedlyHuman. Support Adequate referencing and OR fixed. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Done. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:00, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- AllegedlyHuman Maybe remove the "/1974" part? Her home television, NBC, mentions her birth as 1973. See this also for screenshot. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael, I've removed the unsourced birthdate. As you mention, all obituaries name her as 47 years old. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
@Stephen: Hi, Stephen, is it possible to lock the article for a short period? As per above, her birth date part is considered unsourced, but an IP keeps adding the date again and again.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)- Forget about this, someone has already added a source to the DOB. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:33, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Ibrahim Othman Ibrahim Idris
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Day 1 Gitmo detainee. Lawyer alleges death was due to the camp. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose too much unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality. Rare case of over-redlink, the section named for the Supreme Court Case doesn't actually reference or link to the case, in addition to very many other issues. Has the appearance of a legal counsel's scratchpad.130.233.213.199 (talk) 10:19, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on referencing issues, too many places where citations are needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:10, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Media Without a Choice
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Blurb: ongoing protest occurring against the government of Poland due to a proposed tax on advertising. The protests and participants include media such as press, radio and television who protest by ceasing they activity such as publishing news or advertisements and turning off their transmissions, instead airing texts "there should be your ad" etc. on black backgrounds. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Protest against taxation put on indented media most likely mend to drive them away from the country, letting bias state-controled media gain bigger reach
Alternative blurb II: Part of protests against current actions of ruling party in Poland (Law and Justice) against the democracy and free speech in the country
News source(s): [7] [8][9][10] and more
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TheEditMate (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Apparently the virtual part lasts a day, not ongoing, and the physical crowd was around 200. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per IncredibleHulk --LaserLegs (talk) 01:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Libel! Eat me, brother! Oh wait, that's right, you can't!. Seriously though, you're alright. And the media is just appealing for hearts, minds and voter-induced tax relief, nobody likes losing some of their gross revenue to "fat cat lizard people from Hell". InedibleHulk (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Doesn't seem like a major deal. Article just says "some people" protested: "a few protests" with "several dozen people" in one and 150 in another; tiny. Nixinova T C 04:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The article is now orange-tagged for a section using us to advertise its virality for cheap. I added it, but not to suit my agenda here. Just noticed it truly deserves it, but will switch my vote to Abstain if now ethically required. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This brushes up against RGW, and I'm having a hard time making the leap from "taxing advertising" to "destroying democracy". It's a sort of bizarro libertarianism in service to progressive media message that would take a good amount of explaining to get across to a EN reader.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:42, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose On top of everything that everyone else has said, which I entirely agree with, there's no way this article meets WP:ITNCRIT. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Yurnalis Ngayoh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Governor of East Kalimantan, buried earlier this day. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment seems to be an empty section for "Governor of East Kalimantan". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: It's a quite new article, I'll work on that section. Besides, the article only mentions Saint Juvenalis but don't mention which one — since the person is dead I think that section would remain tagged forever and ever. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: I have filled the section. Feel free to check it. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:38, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Alberto Corazón
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fahrenheit Magazine Spain
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Spanish designer. I will work this evening on expanding the article. Does not meet hygiene standards for the homepage currently. es.wikipedia has some good content. If someone wants to get to it before me, please feel free to do so. Cheers. Edits and content expansion done. Meets hygiene expectation for homepage / RD. Rater.js says B-class, but, I think it just scratches the surface of a C-class biography. Good to go nevertheless. Ktin (talk) 23:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article has only two sections but they are adequate. Gex4pls (talk) 15:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) RD/Blurb: Larry Flynt
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, VarietyWashington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by John M Wolfson (talk · give credit)
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- Oppose RD very poor on referencing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 23:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment it's very clear that Hank Aaron's death blurb has started a somewhat weird tendency to propose that everyone should also have it. Oppose for references.Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm personally neutral on a blurb – I can see how it might be maladroit for Chuck Yeager and Little Richard to not have blurbs (I'll never let those go, btw) while Flynt gets one – but I think he's worth at least consideration. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yep - the Little Richard (didn't get one) and Carrie Fisher (did get one) incidents were two distinct low points for ITN. Black Kite (talk) 02:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm personally neutral on a blurb – I can see how it might be maladroit for Chuck Yeager and Little Richard to not have blurbs (I'll never let those go, btw) while Flynt gets one – but I think he's worth at least consideration. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Current sourcing is poor, but at least 20 edits in the last hour so it may improve. Oppose RD - being the second most famous pornographer in America isn't "transformative" enough for a blurb. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:37, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- To be fair, he did get shot for interracial stuff, but see my above comment. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- What about single-handedly changing U.S. law regarding free speech? AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- He had a rather small part, I definitely would not call it "single-handedly". --Masem (t) 02:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Two landmark SCOTUS cases (Keeton v. Hustler Magazine, Inc., Hustler Magazine v. Falwell) and noteworthy advocacy against a third (Miller v. California). You tell me. Also seems to have caught the FBI in a corruption scandal. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- No question he had a role in some of the US free speech case law but certainly would not be as much as SCOTUS justices themselves that have come up with the case law that has formed the principles behind the bulk of speech case law today. --Masem (t) 14:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Two landmark SCOTUS cases (Keeton v. Hustler Magazine, Inc., Hustler Magazine v. Falwell) and noteworthy advocacy against a third (Miller v. California). You tell me. Also seems to have caught the FBI in a corruption scandal. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- He had a rather small part, I definitely would not call it "single-handedly". --Masem (t) 02:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose large amounts of unsourced content. Would oppose a blurb regardless. Black Kite (talk) 02:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. If someone is working on edits to the article in preparation for homepage / RD, added a Washington Post obituary as the source, you can lean in on that article for some help with content / referencing. Ktin (talk) 02:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as he was neither transformative nor on the top of any relevant field (it's surprising how blurbs get arbitrarily suggested for people far below the bar). The article has a long way to go for RD either.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not yet certain he merits a blurb, but he did greatly affect free speech law in the US. 331dot (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Same. He might not be more influential than Heffner (who we blurbed) but he was certainly more consequential. A stellar article would tip the balance for me. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:47, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not yet certain he merits a blurb, but he did greatly affect free speech law in the US. 331dot (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on reference concerns. Oppose blurb I'm with Alsoriano97 and Kiril Simeonovski on this one. It has become a trend for people from you-know-where to
getbe nominated for a blurb although they did little to nothing on a wider scale. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)- No, actually, I do not "know where" perhaps you could be specific and enlighten us, and back your assertion with a statically relevant sampling of death blurbs (both successful and rejected) which show a trend vs an anomaly. If you're not able to provide such statistics, perhaps strike your remark as unsubstantiated? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- @LaserLegs: Thank you for reminding me. I have struck my remarks. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:45, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, actually, I do not "know where" perhaps you could be specific and enlighten us, and back your assertion with a statically relevant sampling of death blurbs (both successful and rejected) which show a trend vs an anomaly. If you're not able to provide such statistics, perhaps strike your remark as unsubstantiated? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- RD only – If that ... untransformative in any significant way. – Sca (talk) 14:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose both. Nowhere near blurb status, and multiple unsourced paragraphs.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb; the relative significance of the field merits some consideration, and if Hugh Hefner didn't get one he shouldn't. Provisional oppose RD; relies heavily on a single source and many of the media appearances are unreferenced. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the more citations needed tag is there for a reason, and hasn't been resolved yet. Until that's resolved, there's no point even arguing about RD or ITN, as it isn't currently in a suitable state for either. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Billy Conigliaro
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Not a blockbuster article, but as I said for the soccer player Tony Collins, the referencing is appropriately complete for someone who played before the Internet. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Weak opposeArticle has minimal depth of coverage of subject's career. At present there's just 3 sentences about his playing career, and 1 additional sentence about his trip to the World Series. Would like to see a little more detail. SpencerT•C 03:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)- Support Update is adequate. SpencerT•C 16:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Understand that he's a pre-internet player, but the bio should at least contain as much information as some of the obits.—Bagumba (talk) 11:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer and Bagumba, it has been expanded. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Albert Hale
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Navajoindian (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Arizona politician and former president of the Navajo Nation. Died of COVID-19. Interesting figure, but the article needs some work. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Update: I've taken a stab at it, and I think it's a lot better now. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 10:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Opposetoo many refs needed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:38, 10 February 2021 (UTC)- Support much better, good work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:18, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support To quote The Rambling Man, satis. Tucker Gladden 👑 02:12, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Removal of COVID-19 pandemic from Ongoing
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- This was just discussed at WT:ITN, where the point is that this banner is still very necessary but there has been a refocus of what topics are in place. Just because the main pandemic article is not updated is not reason to remove the whole banner where the other articles supporting it have been. --Masem (t) 02:02, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Strong oppose We're still in a global pandemic. COVID-19 pandemic is edited nearly every day, and sure it hasn't received "substantial update", because of the zillions of subarticles that get the updates (Indian farmers protest has no subarticles, so apples and oranges comparison). Updating this one article for a worldwide pandemic is unrealistic. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Removal it's been going on for a year, everyone knows about it. There aren't any major new developments, just the ebb and flow of lockdowns and vaccines. @Ktin:s stats showed that barely 10% of the hits to the COVID-19 article come from the main page. Having it in the box still satisfies some aspects of the WP:ITN#Purpose but we've never had something up for anywhere close to this long before. Yes, there is still a pandemic going on but what is the benefit of linking to it from the ITN box? --LaserLegs (talk) 02:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- The benefit is showcasing good work on the main page.
We've never had something up for anywhere close to this long before
: we hadn't had a global pandemic in a century. I'd like to think Spanish Flu would've stayed up too if Wiki had existed then. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)- So I think instead of this nom, we need a real discussion about the OG criteria. Either stale articles are OK, or "sub-articles" are ok. I had no serious expectation of this item being pulled, but the OPs interpretation of the criteria is technically correct. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Fair point. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:46, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- So I think instead of this nom, we need a real discussion about the OG criteria. Either stale articles are OK, or "sub-articles" are ok. I had no serious expectation of this item being pulled, but the OPs interpretation of the criteria is technically correct. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- The benefit is showcasing good work on the main page.
- Oppose yeah, ITN is not self-consistent. Banedon (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose How is this even being considered? Have you left the house recently? WaltCip-(talk) 04:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: J. Hillis Miller
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UCI Release
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American literary critic. Professor. Death announced on this date. Article requires some work. Doable. Edits and expansion done. Article has shaped into a beautiful B-class biography. RIP Prof. Miller. For those who'd want to see a video click here. Ktin (talk) 01:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Referenced, updated. Marking ready. SpencerT•C 05:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:04, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Chick Corea
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by Kline (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American jazz composer, won 23 Grammies and nominated over 60 times. Article seems to be in good shape. Kline | vroom vroom 22:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Support – article is thorough.Oppose I looked at the article more closely and there's more refs needed than I thought, even some time later. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:02, 11 February 2021 (UTC)- Oppose Household name, won a lot of gold, several uncited sections. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Borderline potential -- but likely just under the line - for a blurb (in terms of jazz musicians). --Masem (t) 00:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- His prog rock stuff isn't exactly revolutionary, either. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Unless I'm missing something, I don't believe a blurb was proposed. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- You aren't @AllegedlyHuman, there was no blurb proposed. Kline | vroom vroom 01:09, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support RD I studied with a lot of music majors and Chick Corea was greatly admired and well-known among my classmates. He has many classics. (I'm not actually a music major myself but I was in Choir in college). -TenorTwelve (talk) 02:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Please note that beyond being notable enough to have a Wikipedia page, the notability of the subject is not relevant to whether or not an RD is merited.
"Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post."
AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)- Anybody remember the last time an "organism" got the nod? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- If you mean "non-human" then a horse went up less than a year ago. The "organism" is there probably for edge cases where the deceased is not multicellular eukaryotic organisms [from] the biological kingdom Animalia. Famous fungi? Fab fruit? Idk. I vaguely remember a tree being nominated long ago.130.233.213.199 (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- I suppose if The Big Tree ever came down, I'd want it on RD... AllegedlyHuman (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- If you mean "non-human" then a horse went up less than a year ago. The "organism" is there probably for edge cases where the deceased is not multicellular eukaryotic organisms [from] the biological kingdom Animalia. Famous fungi? Fab fruit? Idk. I vaguely remember a tree being nominated long ago.130.233.213.199 (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Anybody remember the last time an "organism" got the nod? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Please note that beyond being notable enough to have a Wikipedia page, the notability of the subject is not relevant to whether or not an RD is merited.
- Strongly support Notability aside, I don't see enough issues with the article to not include Chick Corea in RDs – SrAlfredos (talk) 04:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- "strongest possible" Oppose there are plenty of sentences in the article which are completely unreferenced, people need to get familiar with what is required here: posting RDs requires articles to be fully referenced in line with the requirements of BLP. Just arguing "strong support" etc when the article is clearly not ready is a complete waste of time. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- The article should be held to a "minimum standard of quality". Combing over each and every sentence looking for sources is completely unnecessary. Yes, it could use more, but considering that there are citations in each section and important points are supported, the article absolutely meets the criteria. SrAlfredos (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Has anyone added the obligatory cn tags yet? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:In the news#Article quality says that "one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article"- but this isn't 1 or 2 needed, but at least 10 places with unsourced content. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- The minimum standard of quality is a prose argument. Any article considered for RD requires adherence to WP:BLP. We can't have a largely unsourced article on a recently deceased person go to the Main Page based on "well, that's probably all correct." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 12:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- The article absolutely does not meet the criteria. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- The article should be held to a "minimum standard of quality". Combing over each and every sentence looking for sources is completely unnecessary. Yes, it could use more, but considering that there are citations in each section and important points are supported, the article absolutely meets the criteria. SrAlfredos (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose needs more sourcing, as per my comments above. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Needs more sourcing. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 19:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Support Cleary meets first and second criteria for WP:ITNRD (which is not official policy but a guideline to assist with consensus forming). I'm not seeing nearly enough problems with the article to have the third criteria trump the other two and wipe out the nomination. It looks like bureaucratic pedantry and entrenchment might prevent this nomination from succeeding, which I would say goes against the spirit of our work here. RandomGnome (talk) 19:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Being in the news and being of quality are equal "sufficient and necessary" requirements for ITNRD posting. We can't ignore the quality requirements that any element set for the main page just because of the importance of the person. --Masem (t) 19:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Correct, however I didn't mention the importance of the person. Correct me if I am wrong, but the requirements you speak of are not strictly 'requirements', but
guidelinesjust information intended to help form consensus, which itself is ultimately the deciding factor. WP:ITNRD is not official policy. RandomGnome (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Correct, however I didn't mention the importance of the person. Correct me if I am wrong, but the requirements you speak of are not strictly 'requirements', but
- Being in the news and being of quality are equal "sufficient and necessary" requirements for ITNRD posting. We can't ignore the quality requirements that any element set for the main page just because of the importance of the person. --Masem (t) 19:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Support The article isn't exactly FA-quality, but it's solid enough, and Corea was an extremely important person in the jazz world. If the article isn't ready yet, I think it would be worth it to do a rapid revamp to improve the article before his death becomes outdated. Kokopelli7309 (talk) 01:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, that's not the way the hundreds of other RDs on ITN have worked for the past several years: the article quality must meet minimum standards before it can be posted. SpencerT•C 05:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Elliot Mazer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone; Ultimate Classic Rock; NME
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (February 9). —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
WeakSupport Article is good but I'm not sure if Allmusic is a reliable source, and even if it is I don't think it should be relied on so much. Gex4pls (talk) 15:08, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Gex4pls: according to WP:ALLMUSIC (on the WP:RSP list):
"There is consensus that RhythmOne websites are usable for entertainment reviews with attribution. Some editors question the accuracy of these websites for biographical details and recommend more reliable sources when available."
Please note that I did not use AllMusic for any of Mazer's bio details, and only to verify his discography list. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Bloom6132: Ok, good to know. I still don't think it should be so reliant on the one source, but I'll change to support. Gex4pls (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Gex4pls: according to WP:ALLMUSIC (on the WP:RSP list):
- Comment American sound engineer. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 01:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Moufida Tlatli
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian; Arab News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (February 9). —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is fine thanks to a lot of work done in the last couple of days. Tradediatalk 14:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Tunisian film director. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:26, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Collapsing side discussion about fundamental issues with the RD process not particularly isolated to this nomination. SpencerT•C 16:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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(Closed) Second impeachment trial of Donald Trump
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Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · give credit)
- Comment - This was already nominated and closed/removed. - Indefensible (talk) 18:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wait to see the outcome. --Tone 18:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose publish the outcome. Everything else is Trumpticker. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose at this point, only the outcome of the trial matters. --Masem (t) 18:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and wait for the conclusion. Trump is no longer president, so the ultimate punishment of removal from office is no longer a threat. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose ongoing - we can post the result. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. — Amakuru (talk) 19:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - The process itself is not really newsworthy. STSC (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Just as we don't post sports events in progress, we shouldn't post trials in progress. We will almost certainly post the outcome. 331dot (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Marty Schottenheimer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by RockinJack18 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Chargers coach, Alzheimers --Rockin (Talk) 15:10, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- RockinJack18, my wife's family in Missouri would be very offended to see you call him the Chargers coach. It needs sourcing. If I have time, I may help find it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- My condolences to your inlaws for this recent loss. Also for Butch Reed, Willie Scott and the Superbowl. Been a rough four days for the Chiefs all around. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Opposefor now, many places where citations are needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)- Comment Flagged a few Cn's, which I suspect some are WP:OR that can be removed. However, giving some time for someone to potentially source it, though beware of WP:CIRCULAR with obits that just copy duubious info from Wikipedia.—Bagumba (talk) 07:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support I've enhanced the sourcing. @Joseph2302: Have another look.—Bagumba (talk) 12:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks good now. I have also marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:42, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Anthony Sowell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times; The Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Inexpiable (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American serial killer who murdered 11 women. Infamous case, well written, and well sourced article. Inexpiable (talk) 10:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:06, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Citation needed and citation overkill in "Discovery" section. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Citation overkill isn't a valid reason for opposition, they can be bundled if required. Uncited material (tagged for nearly a decade) removed or cited where possible. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ten citations for a trial date is ridiculous. Delete seven or nine, or bundle them all, and I'll flip. Good job on the potentially libelous bit! InedibleHulk (talk) 15:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- They're not all about the trial date from a cursory glance, just reports of various events during the trial. I'm not bothered, it certainly isn't something which should stop something being posted to RD, and I'm certain you're capable of bundling those refs yourself if you have the time to respond here. It does take some understanding of bullet points, but not much more than that. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- You wouldn't be certain of that if you knew my setup. Even deleting the extra seven would take several minutes. If you're not going to bother, I'll just settle for swaying to Weak Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- It doesn't bother me one way or another. It's absurd to oppose on too much referencing, but that's your prerogative of course. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- The bulk of it was about calling rape victims scared druggies with personal problems, unsourced. But there are good points about WP:OVERCITE. I didn't invent the notion that it's not ideal. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- No-one said that. But you have definitely invented the notion of opposing an RD based on too much information being present in the citations. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Too many citations in the single line, no comment on the information therein. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- How many is "too many"?? Good grief. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- More than three. As for calling someone a necrophile without evidence, once is too much. That much I was capable of fixing in time. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- How many is "too many"?? Good grief. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Too many citations in the single line, no comment on the information therein. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- No-one said that. But you have definitely invented the notion of opposing an RD based on too much information being present in the citations. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- The bulk of it was about calling rape victims scared druggies with personal problems, unsourced. But there are good points about WP:OVERCITE. I didn't invent the notion that it's not ideal. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- It doesn't bother me one way or another. It's absurd to oppose on too much referencing, but that's your prerogative of course. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- You wouldn't be certain of that if you knew my setup. Even deleting the extra seven would take several minutes. If you're not going to bother, I'll just settle for swaying to Weak Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- They're not all about the trial date from a cursory glance, just reports of various events during the trial. I'm not bothered, it certainly isn't something which should stop something being posted to RD, and I'm certain you're capable of bundling those refs yourself if you have the time to respond here. It does take some understanding of bullet points, but not much more than that. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ten citations for a trial date is ridiculous. Delete seven or nine, or bundle them all, and I'll flip. Good job on the potentially libelous bit! InedibleHulk (talk) 15:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Citation overkill isn't a valid reason for opposition, they can be bundled if required. Uncited material (tagged for nearly a decade) removed or cited where possible. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support No issues. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Many unsourced victims at Anthony Sowell#List. Frankly, don't understand people's fixation with itemizing victims names, but (unfortunately) don't know of a policy against being tacky with non-living people esp. victims.—Bagumba (talk) 08:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Names sourced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't understand the fixation on the five featured females, either, but as long as six short stories are missing, the list at least lets us know they didn't die as Jane Does. They had families, families have names. Had ages, too, now included. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did you just deliberately reintroduce unsourced material after opposing posting because of too much sourcing? Seriously. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I got it from the source you added. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh the ages are in there? Amazing, I didn't see that at all. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- You need to click twice, but yes, easy as any bundle. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh the ages are in there? Amazing, I didn't see that at all. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I got it from the source you added. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did you just deliberately reintroduce unsourced material after opposing posting because of too much sourcing? Seriously. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer, Hello Spencer. This article bumped M. Bala Subramanion off the carousel with the latter having spent only ~4 hours on the carousel. Please can you help restore the article for some time. Thanks in advance. Ktin (talk) 03:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin, re-added so that there is 7. Again, this isn't an ideal solution-- there are other RD items here that could probably be posted as well right now. This is why I had started this discussion on the talk page about turnover (Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news/Archive_81#RD_turnover). We may have to accept that some RD items are just not going to have that much time on the template, notwithstanding other Main Page balance solutions. SpencerT•C 03:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer, Thanks Spencer. Re: that thread, I have lost the battle for sure. In my defense, I proposed a few constructive solutions. At least a couple of them would solve for these scenarios. C'est la vie. Specifically in this scenario, we either float next to third line that was afforded to us by removing the COVID banner, or hold the next promotion for a few hours. Neither are too disruptive imo. Please pardon my persistence. Ktin (talk) 03:57, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Until you can automate the posting of RDs, delaying them is just a non-starter. Admins pass by here sporadically and act in the moment, they're not going to pause posting and return, like, four hours later, that's just not how people's lives work around Wikipedia. Sometimes we're waiting for 12 hours to get anything posted so that suggestion would definitely not solve the problem. A third line is the only option right now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:24, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, a little bit of a rant. Please pardon this post. That this article is at 40 hours now (and is on track for ~45-50 hours), while the one that it replaced fell off in 4 hours says that we really should smoothen our outflow rate. Agree with your first statement. But, really, someone should start thinking of a holding dam to smoothen the outflow. PS: Without it being a reflection on this gentleman and his deeds, just pains me that this one is still on the homepage, while a community leader (in whatever little capacity) fell out in 4 hours. But, then, that is the world for us (for me). C'est la vie. Ktin (talk) 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- As I said, you can't control the outflow, there's no rota of admins here, sometimes we wait for 12 hours for stuff to be posted, it's just not practical to expect some kind of "holding dam" unless you program a 'bot to do it. But even then a human admin will still need to assess an article for consensus to post, so it's just not going to work that way. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, a little bit of a rant. Please pardon this post. That this article is at 40 hours now (and is on track for ~45-50 hours), while the one that it replaced fell off in 4 hours says that we really should smoothen our outflow rate. Agree with your first statement. But, really, someone should start thinking of a holding dam to smoothen the outflow. PS: Without it being a reflection on this gentleman and his deeds, just pains me that this one is still on the homepage, while a community leader (in whatever little capacity) fell out in 4 hours. But, then, that is the world for us (for me). C'est la vie. Ktin (talk) 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Until you can automate the posting of RDs, delaying them is just a non-starter. Admins pass by here sporadically and act in the moment, they're not going to pause posting and return, like, four hours later, that's just not how people's lives work around Wikipedia. Sometimes we're waiting for 12 hours to get anything posted so that suggestion would definitely not solve the problem. A third line is the only option right now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:24, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer, Thanks Spencer. Re: that thread, I have lost the battle for sure. In my defense, I proposed a few constructive solutions. At least a couple of them would solve for these scenarios. C'est la vie. Specifically in this scenario, we either float next to third line that was afforded to us by removing the COVID banner, or hold the next promotion for a few hours. Neither are too disruptive imo. Please pardon my persistence. Ktin (talk) 03:57, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ktin, re-added so that there is 7. Again, this isn't an ideal solution-- there are other RD items here that could probably be posted as well right now. This is why I had started this discussion on the talk page about turnover (Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news/Archive_81#RD_turnover). We may have to accept that some RD items are just not going to have that much time on the template, notwithstanding other Main Page balance solutions. SpencerT•C 03:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer, Hello Spencer. This article bumped M. Bala Subramanion off the carousel with the latter having spent only ~4 hours on the carousel. Please can you help restore the article for some time. Thanks in advance. Ktin (talk) 03:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Franco Marini
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Repubblica
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former president of the Italian Senate and once called to become the president of the Republic. Dies from COVID-19. Article needs work. Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Mary Wilson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety; NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TeddyRoosevelt's Grand Dad (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Founding member of The Supremes. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose a lot of work (and I mean a lot of work) required. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:13, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - lots of references needed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:33, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Mars probes
Blurb: UAE's Hope orbiter reaches Mars orbit (Post)
Alternative blurb: UAE's Hope orbiter and China's Tianwen-1 reach Mars orbit.
Alternative blurb II: The UAE's Hope orbiter reaches Mars' orbit, where it will build a holistic model of the Martian atmosphere
News source(s): AP, BBC and NYTimes (on UAE), BBC, CNN (on China)
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: This is a prepatory nom. UAE's Hope is due to arrive by 9am ET on Feb 9, while China's Tianwen-1 on Feb 10. (Hope will just orbit; Tianwen-1 will try to subsequently land in May). This is all ahead of next week when Perseverance (rover) is due to land on Mars on Feb 18. While we need to confirm that both of these missions make orbit, this is unlikely to be an issue, but it does not make sense to make these separate blurbs being a day apart, hence the first blurb is if the Hope mission is ready to go before the China probe is confirmed, then once the China probe confirmed, then using the alt blurb. Masem (t) 06:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The Hope article is pretty good, and could go up as it is whenever orbit is confirmed. The Tianwen article is not. These being ITNR's, I think it best to post them separately. Certainly this will raise "why all the space articles at ITN??" comments, but so be it. I have added an altblurb to shortly describe the mission objectives, and I would suggest that the same should be done for Tianwen ("[...] arrives in orbit and prepares for landing" or such).130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- When there have been multiple car racing ITNR events in the same close time frame, we usually group them "In car racings, X wins Y, and Z wins Q." This would be similar, particularly as this confluence of Mars probes has been known for several months. --Masem (t) 06:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose while the Emirates Mars Mission article is okay (but will need updating), Tianwen-1 is not good enough. We could post Hope first and then merge if Tianwen-1 gets improved. But right now, neither suitable. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support – in principle, pending editorial cleanup. The "Hope," aka "Amal" (Arabic), probe seems particularly noteworthy due to its sponsorship by space newbie UAE. – Sca (talk) 14:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support but only Emirates Mars Mission, which is good enough; and not Tianwen-1, which is not good enough (there are still many "citations needed"). Tradediatalk 14:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Emirates Mars Mission looks good to go,
once the spacecraft is confirmed in Mars orbit and the article updated accordingly. Tianwen-1 isn't terrible, but there are still too many unreferenced statements and the article needs a thorough copyedit.Expand UAE in the blurb, or better yet say United Arab Emirates Space Agency. Modest Genius talk 15:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)- Support both articles, which have been updated and brought up to postable standard. Tbh I thought we could have posted Hope alone 24 hours ago, but a single combined blurb now is also fine. Modest Genius talk 14:38, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support once article is cleaned up a bit, per ITNR This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:13, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment UAE's Hope has confirmed reached orbit. --Masem (t) 16:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- And Hope article updated with the relevant orbit insertion details. --Masem (t) 16:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Looks good, support posting Emirates Mars Mission now. Modest Genius talk 17:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- And Hope article updated with the relevant orbit insertion details. --Masem (t) 16:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support - One blurb for both missions. I've cleaned up the Tianwen-1 article. STSC (talk) 19:52, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support - for Mars Hope Mission. UAE becomes the 5th country to reach Mars and the second to do it on first attempt (after India). Definitely deserves to be up there. Gorebath (talk) 23:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support - For Emirates Hope Mission for now. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are still {{citation needed}} tags in both articles. Hanamanteo (talk) 07:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Any CNs have now been fixed and I know both are now updated to reflect successful orbitary insertions. --Masem (t) 14:20, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Emirates Mars Mission now has an orange tag but Tianwen-1 is OK. Shall we just post a blurb for Tianwen-1 first? STSC (talk) 19:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Tianwen-1 has successfully entered Mars orbit. Ngguls (talk) 13:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Marked 'Needs attention' eight hours ago. – Sca (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:02, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Add Perseverance (rover) to this event's blurb when it comes around, instead of adding that as a separate event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osunpokeh (talk • contribs) 02:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Assuming this one is still up, yes, and of course Perseverance lands successfully. --Masem (t) 02:15, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Micronesian countries quit the Pacific Islands Forum
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Palau, the Marshall Islands, Kiribati, Nauru, and the Federated States of Micronesia leave the Pacific Islands Forum in response to former Cook Islands prime minister Henry Puna being elected Secretary-General. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Five Micronesian countries leave the Pacific Islands Forum after former Cook Islands prime minister Henry Puna is elected Secretary-General in spite of a "gentlemen's agreement" on sub-regional rotation of leadership.
News source(s): Guardian NYT more Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Bzweebl (talk · give credit)
- Created by JonathanDP81 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bibliopole5795 (talk · give credit) and IdiotSavant (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Support per nom. Article has an decent update covering recent events. SpencerT•C 02:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Interesting occurence, though probably not exactly headline news. Regardless, the "Secretaries General" section could use some citations. Juxlos (talk) 02:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note that this requires each of the countries to follow procedures to vote internally to follow on that removal. "Each nation will undertake this process with respect to its own internal legal and procedural requirements and [the] final decision rests with respective governments." It may be that this action can be stopped through ongoing negotiations, so this should not be taken as final. --Masem (t) 02:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- While that is true, this is when the story is making headlines and it also dually serves as a posting for this year's edition of the PIF, which has been posted in the past and also had another major drama this year. If nothing changes and they officially leave the Forum one-by-one, that won't be big news since we already knew it was going to happen. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 04:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Understood this is likely the point of most importances, but that said, I'd reconsider the phrasing to be something like "...counties announced their intention to leave the PIF..." leaving the implication about the formal national process as an exercise to the reader. --Masem (t) 06:23, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- News coverage is not including such qualifiers (see Guardian headline) and the official statement says “the Micronesian presidents jointly agreed to forthwith initiate the formal process of withdrawal from the Pacific Islands Forum respecting their national processes and will act swiftly like the Republic of Palau," which I believe has already completed the process of leaving. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 07:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Article is not ready yet, Pacific Islands Forum#Secretaries General section has an orange banner currently. Per what Masem wrote above, have all of those nations left already or just Palau? If the latter, then the table is incorrect at the moment as well. Probably could use some overall cleanup and improvement in general before posting. - Indefensible (talk) 04:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment In addition to the orange tag, the Prospects section has nothing to say about these events, and is strangely weighted. The tables seem updated to me.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, article needs work before it can be considered for ITN. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Many problematic issues raised above, including sourcing (the orange banner is still there). Tradediatalk 13:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose From what I gather (from the news articles, ours explains less), the Micronesians are leaving because they feel the richer, bigger and more influential countries don't need them. If they're right, and already lack power, this shift should create only a small vacuum (with minor ripples). If there's something more potentially or immediately impactful here (supply disruption, treaty nullification, war?), the blurb should at least elaborate on what that is, if the article is ever ready. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - It needs a substantial content about the impacts of the event. STSC (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle, haven't looked at the article enough to determine quality. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:31, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not opposed to the idea of the nomination, but this event should really have its own article if it's as noteworthy as OP claims. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 20:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Maria Guarnaschelli
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Pioneer American Cookbook editor and publisher. Death announced on this date. Rater.js says B-class, but, I think this is a solid C-class biography. Good to go to homepage / RD.
- Weak support Could use some more depth but meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 02:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Thanks Spencer. In the meantime, please can I request a couple of additional eyes on this one. I believe this meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 17:19, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good length, source coverage is sufficient, and tone is neutral. Joofjoof (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 04:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: Maaher At-Thuwailibi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Coconuts
Credits:
- Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Content primarily highlights controversy without much emphasis on his role as a preacher. SpencerT•C 17:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Vera Wülfing-Leckie
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: She was a red link. Unusual obit, by her ex-husband. Unusual life, medicine/homeopathy and literature translation, four countries (Europe, Africa), four children. (Her husband had 10. His article should be expanded.) Nobody else wrote her article - I waited. Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support long enough for RD, and all well sourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jean-Claude Carrière
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian; Deadline Hollywood; Le Monde
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 05:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is fine thanks to a lot of work done in the last couple of days. Tradediatalk 14:53, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
RD: S. Clay Wilson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American cartoonist. Article requires some work including citations. I will get started later this evening. If someone wants to get started prior, please feel free to do so. Thanks. Sorry folks, could not get to this article tonight. Focused on a different article. But, will get to this one soon. Sorry again folks. Tonight has been a tad rough with that other adverse event being demotivating. This article will require some focused attention. Will get to it. Ktin (talk) 07:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose much of it unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article looks ok to me. I support bc Wilson made significant artistic contributions by being part of Zap Comix. --Wil540 art (talk) 21:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: David Egerton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Lions
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Short but well sourced. There's a RM for the article title, but this shouldn't affect it being on RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support - article seems to meet the requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 16:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jean Obeid
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Credits:
- Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
- Created by Egeymi (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Lebanese politician, journalist. - Indefensible (talk) 19:52, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good in terms of level of detail and sourcing. Tradediatalk 04:04, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Short, but complete. Refs spot checked.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support lots of different positions but not much coverage of what (if anything) he did in any of them. Perhaps he did nothing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support quite short, but it's possible there's nothing more about him. Although as he was foreign minister for a year, did nothing interesting happen that could be added? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Shlomo Hillel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): JPost
Credits:
- Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Israeli politician. - Indefensible (talk) 19:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Fixed some refs, otherwise okay.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:06, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is all around good. Gex4pls (talk) 14:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nothing regarding the last 35 years of his life, nor mention of his death in the main body. Stephen 20:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Addressed the 2nd part. At age 97, he was probably retired for most of the last 3 decades. He did serve as head of the Society for Preservation of Israel Heritage Sites, which is noted in the article. - Indefensible (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tony Collins
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
- Created by Joconnol (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jellyman (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British footballer. - Indefensible (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose For someone who appeared in 333 professional games and managed a team for 7 years, his professional biography is quite light on details. Surely, we can flesh it out some before posting it to the main page? --Jayron32 18:22, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape and that's what counts for RD. The level of detail should be discussed on the talk page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article gives a good overview of his life without any significant gaps. P-K3 (talk) 23:55, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is a lot more coherent, cited and complete than many, many, many of his contemporaries who played before the Internet gave us instant reports on every match. This is not a Good Article nomination, nor should it be, but it's at the threshold of many of the recent deaths Unknown Temptation (talk) 01:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 11:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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