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Requested move 1 February 2021

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1997 armed clashes in Cambodia → 1997 Cambodian coup d'état – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 20:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Jack Frost (talk) 09:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Following from this page's move and then reversion of the move as there wasn't a discussion, let's discuss. These events were characterised as a coup by several reliable sources.

I could go on. Only within the government is this really characterised as just "clashes". I feel like there's really little debate that this Wikipedia article should characterise this as a coup. --Arcahaeoindris (talk) 20:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have just seen this discussion as I was not notified of it on my talk page. The United States and other major powers in the region and outside did not characterize the 1997 events as a coup, and hence "armed clashes" is correct usage in this context. I will supply material later this week. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 10:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Happy to move based on the sources provided. "Armed clashes" is also less concise, less accurate, les natural per WP:CRITERIA. FOARP (talk) 10:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Contemporaneous and present sources widely use the accurate term coup. Armed clashed is wildly inappropriate and fails to convey the part where Sen used the military to seize all power for himself. Nick's claim above is a blatant lie: per articles [1][2][3] the US did in fact consider it a coup, hence the suspension of aid as it does in the case of coups. ASEAN even excluded Cambodia's entry, "deploring Hun Sen's use of force", not just "clashes." Here's a more comprehensive 1998 journal article saying "By definition, however, the July event must be considered a coup." Sir Nicholas has a history of edits defending the Sen regime, and his edits to Cambodia-related articles should be monitored. Reywas92^Talk 19:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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	*'''Support''' - Happy to move based on the sources provided. "Armed clashes" is also less concise, less accurate, les natural per [[WP:CRITERIA]]. [[User:FOARP\|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP\|talk]]) 10:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)		*'''Support''' - Happy to move based on the sources provided. "Armed clashes" is also less concise, less accurate, les natural per [[WP:CRITERIA]]. [[User:FOARP\|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP\|talk]]) 10:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Contemporaneous and present sources '''widely''' use the accurate term coup. Armed clashed is wildly inappropriate and fails to convey the part where Sen used the military to seize all power for himself. Nick's claim above is a blatant '''lie''': per articles [https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/16/world/us-may-cut-back-on-aid-until-cambodian-election.html][https://www.newspapers.com/clip/71304946/the-californian/][https://www.newspapers.com/clip/71306239/the-californian/] the US did in fact consider it a coup, hence the suspension of aid as it does in the case of coups. ASEAN even excluded Cambodia's entry, "deploring Hun Sen's use of force", not just "clashes." [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2645469?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A39d1bd13f4528b762b917793c0f78d00&seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents Here's] a more comprehensive 1998 journal article saying "By definition, however, the July event must be considered a coup." Sir Nicholas has a history of edits defending the Sen regime, and his edits to Cambodia-related articles should be monitored. [[User:Reywas92\|Reywas92]]<sup>[[User talk:Reywas92\|Talk]]</sup> 19:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)