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Article has an advisory saying it reads like an advertisement

I am an associate of a living person who is the subject of an article. An editor has put an advisory on the article saying it reads like an advertisement. Can I, as a person who is an associate of the subject, make suggestions on the talk page for how to remove advertisement-like language from the article? Mking92124 (talk) 16:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Mking92124, welcome to the Teahouse - just a comment: it might be helpful to name the article so we can have a closer look at it. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

The article is about Tam O'Shaughnessy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mking92124 (talk • contribs)

For clarity, I made this a separate comment and linked. 331dot (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Mking92124 You are welcome to make suggestions on the article talk page. Please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on formal disclosures you may be required to make, depending on what your association is. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for your help. I have put suggestions in the talk area of the Tam O'Shaughnessy article for how to make the language neutral. I have included a disclosure that I have a professional relationship with the subject. Will someone review my suggestions automatically, or do I need to alert someone?Mking92124 (talk) 17:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mking92124. In general, no, somebody will not necessarily notice your request (though they might this time because of this discussion). If you attach the template {{edit request}} to your request (put it like that, with the double curly brackets) it will get put on the list of requests waiting. It still may not necessarily happen quickly: like everything on Wikipedia, it depends on volunteers, who choose what they are going to work on. --ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Adding an interactive map

Hi Teahouse. I'd like to add an interactive map to an article, like the one in the infobox of the Manhattan article. Can someone offer some pointers or direct me to a how-to? Many thanks! Kdorse (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kdorse: The map in the Manhattan infobox uses Template:Maplink and (I believe) an OpenStreetMap polygon, but I'm not familiar with the procedure for creating such a map. If no one helps you here, you can probably find assistance from someone at Module talk:Mapframe or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Deor (talk) 17:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

In this case its linked through Wikidata (i am not an expert on this, i was intrigued by your question and tried to figure it out): The Manhattan article corresponds to this Wikidata Item and the OSM polygon of Manhattan has a Wikidata-tag with that items ID (Q11299 - see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:OpenStreetMap how thats supposed to work). With this setup creating the map in the article is done by just adding {{Maplink|type=shape}} to the article. But I guess it really depends what map you want to add and how much data is already there. If you want to create a custom map, it's probably much more involved. --Smurftrooper (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Smurftrooper: Thank you! I'm understanding this better and feel like I might be getting there. Fortunately, someone has already created the OpenStreet map I need. It is here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4227581#map=10/46.1760/-83.8683. It's listed as OpenStreetMap relation ID 4227581 in wikidata item Q6638058. I just don't know how to make the connections to have it show up on the related wikipedia article. Kdorse (talk) 13:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kdorse: Ok, great, so i guess all the connections are already there. You now only have to insert the template in St. Joseph Island (Ontario). I don't know how you want to present the map, but if you just add for example {{Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-width=325|frame-height=250|frame-align=center|type=shape|fill=#ffffff|fill-opacity=0|stroke-width=3}} to the article, it will display the map. You may want to have a look at the Manhattan source how they have done it within the infobox (search for "image_map") there. Also have a look at the documentation of the template if you want to tune the optics. Cheers --Smurftrooper sup? 17:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, i just saw you already tried to insert the map in the infobox. I do not know whats going on there, maybe the infobox on that page works different than the one on Manhattan? It has something to do with it, because once you insert the Maplink-Template in the article body, it works. Not even sure about that anymore. Don't know, sorry :( --Smurftrooper sup? 17:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, in preview it works, but not once you publish it. This feels like a bug, probably best to ask someone at Module talk:Mapframe. Again, sorry --Smurftrooper sup? 18:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

When to move from suggestion on talk page to taking action / making changes to article?

I made a suggestion to change the images on the wikipedia page for Truth on the talk page. The same suggestion had previously been made by at least 2 other editors on the talk page but batted down by other editors on grounds of censorship and as far as I can tell a misreading of Wikipedia's rules and style guide. In my own Talk page entry, I pointed out a number of guidelines on the Wikipedia style guide that were being ignored or broken by the images in the article and a couple of other editors sounded their support for the change I was suggesting as well.

Now that a few days has passed with no further activity or opposition to my suggestion, when can it be considered that the change can go forward? TranquilDragon (talk) 20:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I would be WP:BOLD and make the change and see how people feel about it. If it's reverted, do the WP:BRD cycle and discuss with the editor about it. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 20:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

KCTU-LD's Affiliation with MeTV

Guys, I looked In MeTV#Affiliates, and it says that MeTV started on KCTU-LD in 2011, while it says 2010 on The KCTU-LD Wikipedia Article itself. Does anyone know when MeTV started it's affiliation with KCTU-LD, because I'm confused with the Dates. LooneyTraceYT (talk) 20:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LooneyTraceYT. As always, the answer is, look at the sources. The 2011 date is sourced, the 2010 is not, so Wikipedia prefers the 2011 date. The source is not ideal - it's MeTV's Facebook, which counts as reliable because it appears to be the official account of one of the parties, but is primary; but for things like dates, primary sources are usually acceptable. So a reliable secondary source would be preferable. Since that post was from early January, it wouldn't surprise me if the agreement had been announced in the press in 2010, but taken effect at the beginning of 2011. --ColinFine (talk) 21:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question: Edit Conflict - other editor reverted their own talk page entry

Greetings,

I have a quick question: Another editor has just reverted their own edit at a talk page discussion, and I am getting an edit conflict with my answer to them. What is the best practice in this case? Should I restore their post and somehow mark it as retracted? Should I just post my answer without theirs (which might confuse others)? Should I not post my carefully crafted response at all, even though I believe it would benefit the discussion?

Feels a bit weird because I do not want to meddle in someone else's talk page responses. -- LordPeterII (talk) 21:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: I would not restore the edit they reverted. If your comment is useful to the discussion, then just reword it so that it does not depend on being a reply to the previous post. RudolfRed (talk) 21:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

This really depends on the specific context, but generally RudolfRed's suggestion sounds like the way to go. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, those were quick answers! I managed to rephrase it so it doesn't rely on the previous post, and instead becomes an addendum to my own. I guess if that would have impossible, I might have asked again; but I agree this is the best solution. --LordPeterII (talk) 22:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Current events

Yes, I was just wondering why does Wikipedia's highly detailed day by day current events portal only go back to July 1994? 47.150.227.254 (talk) 17:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Because no one has created older pages yet. Maybe that's an area where you would like to contribute. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia was founded in 2001 so 1994 was never actually current events here, and it isn't that detailed. Compare for example July 1994 to July 2020. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

(c) for photo from books

I have come across this photo from WikiCommons. It was uploaded there by an editor who photographed a book page, presented it as "own work", and offered it as copyright-free for further use. It shows an event from 1918. I have checked and it is being offered FOR A FEE by the Central Zionist Archives here. I know this doesn't mean that the CZA are the (only) reproduction rights or (c) holders, but I also don't know if our colleague's formulation ("own work") is OK. I also believe one should check if the actual photographer isn't known by name, as he should be mentioned in the file as the actual author. There weren't all that many official photographers in Jerusalem in 1918. Anyone who knows the laws (which differ from area to area, stricter in the EU and less so in the US) & WP rules? Arminden (talk) 10:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Arminden, You may post this query at Commons:Help desk since its a Wikimedia Commons related. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬 12:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Amkgp Thank you, I'll try right away! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arminden (talk • contribs) 12:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Arminden.

1. The claim of "own work" appears incorrect and is probably based on a common misunderstanding, but which has a fairly anodyne result here. By contrast, the same misunderstanding (or sometimes knowingly false claim) is a real problem when the work is actually copyrighted – see WP:OWN WORK – it should be changed to "Unknown" or to credit the actual author(s) if known;
2. The photograph is in the public domain because of age, as it was taken prior to May 24, 2008, and had to be taken in 1918, and so its copyright expired expired 50 years thereafter, certainly by January 1, 1969, under paragraph 21 of the British Copyright Act of 1911, as applicable under Israel's copyright statute of 2007 (see e.g., Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Israel and Commons:Category:PD Israel & British Mandate);
3. The fact that it's being offered for a fee from CZA doesn't tell you they're claiming copyright ownership, just that they're setting up a paywall—such as to transmit rich media at a higher resolution than you can find elsewhere/offering a print service/something in that arena—which people do for public domain material all the time;
4. However, and not because I see this as actually happening here, but please be aware that it is not at all uncommon for people and organizations to seek to sell material under a false claims of copyright ownership over public domain material, or even to copyrighted material owned by others. When some work is manifestly in the public domain because of status, such as age coupled with location, ignore such claims as on-their-face false.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit,

That clarifies everything, thanks a lot! I'll save your advice for the future.

Kind regards, Arminden (talk) 23:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Use transparency on small font sample or use white background?

I've made and uploaded a sample of a typeface to commons. The background is white, and I was wondering if it would be better to make the background transparent. The characters themselves are very small (16x16) so I don't know how it would display in transparency on mobile devices. Should I replace the white background version with a transparent background, or let it be? WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 22:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@WhoAteMyButter: If you don't get an answer here after some time, then consider asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Accessibility if there are any accessibility considerations here. RudolfRed (talk) 00:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Help - How To Undo Last edit to New page that has still not been submitted or published?

How can I undo my very last edit to a NEW page I am working on? I accidentally deleted a couple of paragraphs while creating a new page, before publishing it, and I would like to just "undo" or revert to last version. All help says to click on the "view history" tab, however that option does not appear in the "new" page I am working on. CBrookUM (talk) 01:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't notice any major subtractions among your recent edits, and therefore wonder if you really did what you believe you did. Anyway, in order to go back to any earlier version, view the article in the normal way, click on "History" (under "This page"), click the time/date of the version that you want to revert to, check to make sure that this really is the version you want, and click "Edit this page". (You will not be able to edit only part of it.) You'll be warned that you're about to edit an old version. Don't edit it; simply save it as it is, with an explanatory edit summary. Make any needed changes in a subsequent edit or series of edits. -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

To clarify, I am not trying to edit an already published page. I am in the process of creating a "New" page, that I have NOT published yet. As I was creating the New page I accidentally deleted some significant content that I had created for the page. All I am trying to do is "Undo" my very last action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CBrookUM (talk • contribs) 03:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@CBrookUM: If you didn't click the [Publish page] button, then Wikipedia doesn't have any record of the page. Maybe your browser would recognize CTRL-Z to undo? GoingBatty (talk) 03:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

help frommy talk page

4th Decline for Agantukaya. I am a beginner and trying to do an article. struggling with footnotes. Read footnotes section for beginners and has taken a easy way out and reduced the content from the initial write up. but still rejected. can you please tell me how to improve further. Thank you Agantukaya (talk) 02:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Senaka Rajapakse, and it has been Declined, not Rejected. Yes, you need to learn to reference properly. David notMD (talk) 03:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Agantukaya: See the documentation at Template:Cite web to help you with Draft:Senaka Rajapakse. In each reference, the |title= should be the title of the web page or journal article or book, not "Professor" or "Dr." The |last= and |first= parameters should be the name of the author of the web page or journal article or book - hopefully Rajapakse did not write every reference you provided. GoingBatty (talk) 03:57, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much GoingBatty David notMD that makes lot of sense. will edit.Bless you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agantukaya (talk • contribs) 04:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Edits to Susan Lontine

Hello,

I'm new to Wikipedia, and I've been attempting to get some practice with the basic editing process by updating articles for Colorado and Wyoming state representatives. I have not added any political commentary, only electoral history. However, my edits to Susan Lontine, adding information about the 2018 and 2020 elections, were recently reverted. The editor who reverted my edits notified me through my talk page, and told me that they do not "appear constructive". Where did I go wrong? Screechybird1 (talk) 05:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Each of four assertions was referenced. You removed three of the four references, as duplications. All four references were indeed identical, and your version was less cumbersome than what it replaced. However, it was also less informative: Why should the reader believe that the three unreferenced assertions are factually based? What you should have done was rather different: Change any one of the four instances (preferably the first) of <ref>{{cite web|title=Susan Lontine|url=https://ballotpedia.org/Susan_Lontine|website=Ballotpedia|accessdate=February 15, 2021}}</ref> to <ref name="ballotpedia">{{cite web|title=Susan Lontine|url=https://ballotpedia.org/Susan_Lontine|website=Ballotpedia|accessdate=February 15, 2021}}</ref>, and change each of the other three to <ref name="ballotpedia" />. (I've used the name "ballotpedia", but this could be any word or pseudoword as long as you're consistent.) This would result in a single reference cited in four places. -- Hoary (talk) 06:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a rant on Wikipedia and post it on Wikipedia?

Is this allowed? JennilyW (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@JennilyW: No. Wikipedia is not a blog or a soapbox. See WP:NOT RudolfRed (talk) 22:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Possibly, JennilyW, depending on what you mean by "a rant on Wikipedia". See WP:Essays. --ColinFine (talk) 23:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Conversely, see WP:NOESSAY. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 23:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, depending, possibly on your userpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Young_In_Hong Submission declined

Dear Teahouse Unfortunately my other article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Young_In_Hong has not been accepted either. Here too, I don't understand why it's not clear that she satisfies WP:ARTIST. Kind regards, thanks for your help! Sabine Hagmann (talk) 15:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

In order to have an article in English-language Wikipedia, a person must be notable (as this is understood here). WP:ARTIST starts: Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals:; and I now realize that, when plucked out of context, this makes little sense. Take it to mean In order to be considered notable (a requirement for an article), an author, editor, journalist, filmmaker, photographer, artist, architect, or other creative professional must satisfy at least one of the following four:. I shan't go through all four; but the first is The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. To show this, one doesn't just assert that she's regarded as important or is widely cited; one instead cites a description (from a reliable source) of her as either important or widely cited. (Again, this isn't necessary: it's merely one option among four.) Another possibility is for an artist not to meet any of the four criteria in "WP:ARTIST" but nevertheless to qualify for an article by satisfying some other criterion in WP:PERSON; however, this is unusual. -- Hoary (talk) 01:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC) ....... trivially reworded Hoary (talk) 02:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you! -- Sabine Hagmann — Preceding undated comment added 13:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sabine Hagmann: I hope you have a reference for each item in the Artists' Residencies, Awards, and Exhibitions/Performances sections. (Of course, you can use a reference more than once.) Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Can't request an article for Norm Architects

Can't find the "request article" link. Keep getting redirected to write it myself Dear Wikigods,

I'm tasked with requesting an article about the firm I'm working for - as I've got a COI, I'm advised against writing it myself. But every time I try to request an article to be written, I end up in the same menu, where it looks like I'm supposed to write it myself... What am I doing wrong?

Thank you!

Best regards, Karl Karl at Norm Architects (talk) 10:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

The correct place to request an article is at WP:Requested articles, although you need to bear in mind that Wikipedia editors are all volunteers and so it may take ages for anyone to pick up your suggestion. It is not prohibited for someone with a WP:COI to draft a new article, for which the WP:AfC process is best. Your main hurdle will be to prove that Norm Architects are notable, as defined at WP:GNG. I did a quick Google search and failed to find sufficient references to show they might be. So my advice would be to draft a relatively short article with say, four, WP:SECONDARY sources that are independent of the company and not based on interviews or press releases. If you can do that, there may some hope the article would be accepted. Do not use a WP:PROMOTIONal tone as that is not allowed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Seconded. As for your other troubles, please see my comment on your user talk page. There is, in my opinion, no reason to abandon or apologize for your username (which is admirably candid). -- Hoary (talk) 13:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Matthew Ornalik of Zaram Band

Greetings friends I'm working on my bands page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zaram_Band how long does it take to get it published? Mornalik31 (talk) 12:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Forever and a day - it's not submitted and it has no sources, thus it will never be accepted in the current state it's in. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...}

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article.Template:Z26-- Abdul Muhsy talk 14:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

How to published a draft

Hi! I need some help to publish my draft on Federico Bilotta, a living professor. Please let me know! Valeriaspe (talk) 11:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC) Valeriaspe (talk) 11:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy Draft:Federico Bilotta. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

SeeWikipedia:Notability (academics) for the criteria for academic people. David notMD (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Valeriaspe: See also Wikipedia:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Biography for Cubanlynk

Im seeking assistance in creating a Biography on Wikipedia for Musician Cubanlynk Josephclarke17 (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Cubanlynk

@Josephclarke17: I recommend you start by following the guidance at WP:YFA. The first thing you need to do is determine if the subject is notable, such as by meeting the guidelines at WP:NMUSIC. If it does, then continue by finding reliable sources and then writing the text of the article in a non-promotional, neutral way. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a venue for promotion. RudolfRed (talk) 22:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, i hope there's someone here that is willing to write the article for me , that knows the guidelines and how to write a proper article for wikipedia

Hello, Josephclarke17. You replied in the right place, but it would be helpful if you sign every time you post on a discussion page, as you did your original question.

There are two parts to getting somebody to write an article: the easy bit is asking - you've done so here, and a formal place to ask is at requested articles. The harder part is motivating somebody to do so - we're all volunteers here, and work on what we choose. So you need to catch somebody's interest. You are much more likely to do that if you first do the spade work, of finding the references - read the links that RudolfRed gave you. Then, assuming you find sufficient references that meet all three of the criteria: reliably published, independent (so nothing published by the artist, their publishers, producers, labels or agents, or based on interviews or press releases from any of these, and no sites whose purpose is selling), and containing significant coverage of the artist - otherwise stop wasting your time - I suggest looking for a WikiProject that is relevant, and asking there. --ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

– for additional guidance read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons – cheers, Epinoia (talk) 16:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Update: It appears that the draft has been speedily deleted for unambiguous advertising or promotion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Citing a book

Hello! I am new to the editing community, and I have a problem. I need to cite a book for a citation. the book is not free, however, and I do not know how to cite it. The source I used was a publishing store in which the book can be bought, however, I do not know if that is acceptable. the book is called "The Tanks of Operation Barbarossa; Soviet versus German Armour on the Eastern Front" by Boris Kavalerchik. please respond asap. thank you, and have a nice day. KommanderC (talk) 16:25, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@KommanderC: The book does not need to be free or online to be used as a citation. You may choose to use {{cite book}} to create the citation. GoingBatty (talk) 16:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hey KommanderC. First, the fact the book is behind a paywall does not make it at all un-citeable. For our policy on this, please see WP:SOURCEACCESS, Wikipedia:Offline sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost. As to how to cite it, I suggest using a Citation templates – here {{Cite book}}. They allow you to just plug in the appropriate parameters, in any order and it will always format consistently (you should always cite a source transparently, for verification purposes; for a book, we usually present the year, title, author name(s), publisher, isbn number, page number(s) and url, if there is one). (For this book, however, there's a translator, so I'd provide that information as well.)

As to the convenience link to a url, I recommend not using the online store's, but something like Google Books (which in this case has preview available). Specifically, I suggest the following format, which will display as set forth below, from the footnote you'll see at the end of this sentence (just note that where I have written "INSERT" in the citation, next to the pages= parameter, that is for you to place the actual page numbers that verify the detail you are citing; use "page=" if it's one page"):

<ref>{{Cite book|title=The Tanks of Operation Barbarossa; Soviet versus German Armour on the Eastern Front|last= Kavalerchik|first=Boris|url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Tanks_of_Operation_Barbarossa/7XjNDwAAQBAJ|isbn=978-1-4738-8682-7|translator-last1=Britton|translator-first1=Stuart|year=2018|publisher=Pen & Sword Books|pages=INSERT}}</ref>

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

References

thanks @Fuhghettaboutit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by KommanderC (talk • contribs)

You're welcome KommanderC. By the way, it takes some getting used to but becomes second nature – please remember to sign your posts on discussion pages like this one (type four tildes (~~~~) or click on the signature button located above the edit window). Also, by convention we respond to posts by indenting one level in from their indentation level (just place colons (:s): so:

Original Post
:Reply to it
::Reply to that
:::Really?
::::Yes really!

Cheers--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm drafting my first article in User:Paranoid Numanoid:sandbox:Rev Charles Swainson, M.A.

• Link: User:Paranoid Numanoid/sandbox/Rev. Charles Swainson, M.A.

Any guidance or comments please? I'm trying to demonstrate how notable his work and legacy are, and I'm linking all quotes and statements to good books (reliable verifiable sources) and I hope I'm doing an ok job so far!! How is it looking to your trained eyes? I'm only halfway through editing my first draft but there are one or two things I will need to ask about later...any feedback welcome. Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 21:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC) Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 21:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete the Parents section and other stuff that is not about him. David notMD (talk) 22:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree with the above, but well done. It is already better than some articles already on wikipedia! --Bduke (talk) 22:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, agreed. More:

• The title of the eventual article should skip the "Rev" and the "M.A." and instead be "Charles Swainson (X)", where X is whichever seems most suitable among "naturalist", "ornithologist", "rector", or whatever. (Labelling him as one among these does not imply that he's not additionally one or more among the others; for example, Akira Toriyama (ophthalmologist) is about somebody with some notability as a photographer.)
• Book titles go in italics; don't additionally put them in quotation marks.
• There's no reason to put "LONDON" etc in full capitals.
• Far more importantly than any of the above, you're going to have to be more careful in referencing. Here's an example: His original and compendious research formed the foundation of several subsequent major works of ornithological literature, including William B. Lockwood's "Oxford Dictionary of British Bird Names"^[5] and Harry Kirke Swann's "A Dictionary of English and Folk-Names of British Birds; with their History, Meaning and First Usage, and the Folk-Lore, Weather-Lore, Legends Etc Relating to the More Familiar Species".^[6] This makes three major claims: (i) that his research was original and compendious, (ii) that it was the foundation of Lockwood's Oxford Dictionary of British Bird Names, and (iii) that it was the foundation of Swann's A Dictionary of English and Folk-Names of British Birds. The sentence has what at first appear to be two references, but it's not clear that either backs up what the sentence says; rather, they seem merely to provide bibliographical information (thus making the cumbersome subtitle of Swann's book more obviously unnecessary in the main text). Now, it could be that Lockwood, Swann or both say that Swainson's work was original and compendious, or that their own works were largely based on his; but if they do, you should make this clearer (by pointing to the precise page number(s), by quoting, etc).

-- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC) edited Hoary (talk) 07:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Paranoid Numanoid: Except for the lead, the other sections do not have any references. Please make sure each piece of information has a reference. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Wow - guys - thank you for the rapid and constructive feedback, it's exactly what I was looking for. Now motivated to work hard and integrate my new learnings!! Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I've worked up some key parts of the lead paragraph, especially the "three claims" which of course was unconsciously done on my part! and that's why we need editors and critics - and I was delighted to find that both of the dictionaries which followed Swainson in fact did rely on him to a greater extent that even I had first realised. Maybe I've made too much of this, I will of course look into this more deeply. I know the rest of the article is not anyhwere near as "finished" as the first part, but that's just the way I'm working at the moment, sorry. Any further comments gladly received. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Numanoid (talk • contribs) 01:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC) Should've signed my last comment Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 17:53, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

blue colored links

how to create blue links Zbani kurdi (talk) 18:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Zbani kurdi blue links link to existing articles, while red links link to articles which do not yet exist. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zbani kurdi, and welcome to the Teahouse. You put the name of the article between double square brackets, thus [[Spain]] displays as Spain and links to the article called "Spain". If you want the text to appear different from the name, you put the text after a "pipe" character, so [[Spanish language|Spanish]] display as Spanish. See WP:Wikilinks for the whole story, and WP:CHEATSHEET for other kinds of Wikimarkup. --ColinFine (talk) 18:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zbani kurdi: Welcome! To create a link to another Wikipedia page, enclose it in double-square brackets. [[Wikipedia]] produces Wikipedia -- a link to the encycopedia article on Wikipedia. I suggest you try out the WP:TUTORIAL or the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE RudolfRed (talk) 18:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Help with creating a good article

Hi everyone, a few days ago I've written a page about Bihać Operation, and I want to nominate it for a good article but it still needs to be improved before I do that. The page met all B-class criteria except for grammar, I'd really appreciate if someone who is a native English speaker could copyedit the article. I would also love to hear other suggestions for improving the article so it can meet good article criteria. Thanks! OakMapping (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

OakMapping, welcome to the Teahouse - please file a Request on the Guild of Copy Editors Request Page WP:GOCER . CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for helping me out. OakMapping (talk) 18:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I am a native English speaker, I will do my best to fix any grammar mistakes.KommanderC (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

A problem I am encountering is a problem with redundancy. I would maybe replace some of the "Bihac Operation"s with things like "Battle", "Military engagement", "Conflict", or something else. there is also what I feel is unnecessary background info on the battalions. You can create stub articles on the battalions for the basic info, instead of putting it on the Bihac Operation article. I am exited to see this get nominated. Good luck! Best regards- KommanderCKommanderC (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

KommanderC Thanks a lot for your help and suggestions. I will remove some unnecessary info about the brigades and create separate articles for them. Regarding the issue of redundancy, feel free to replace "Bihac Operation"s with other words wherever you see fit. Again, thanks for helping me out. Cheers! OakMapping (talk) 18:49, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

What Makes Quality Sources?

Frankly speaking, I have read a couple of approved articles on Wikipedia to compare it to my recently submitted one. I have also read to crosscheck on Wikipedia policies and guidelines on notability but I am moved by surprised on the standpoint of some reviewers.

First, can't an article on a political appointee be accepted on Wikipedia? Second,can't the same article be approved when the sources reports official duties of the office holder? Third, are print news third party independent sources which do not have online platform unaccepted to give a subject notability? Fourth, on the office of a mayour or local government chairman, is he not worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia even when reliable and veritable sources are available? Fifth, when did Wikipedia policies start considering notability based on the numerical strength and number of towns a mayor or local government chairman controls?

Let us take the case of Draft:Ojo Maduekwe and Draft:Ibrahim Magu. These are political appointees yet they are accepted as articles on Wikipedia. The case of the first subject even surprised me as there are only 4 sources cited on it. When that of the second article has sources discussing his official duties as EFCC Chairman.

Let our reviewers be fair in their acceptance and rejection of articles. Nwachinazo (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC) Nwachinazo (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Nwachinazo's examples are Ojo Maduekwe and Ibrahim Magu, i.e., articles, not drafts. The fact that other stuff exists (WP:Other stuff exists) is not considered a valid justification for a disputed draft, in this instance Draft:Nyerere Ogbonna. A difference I consider valid is that Ogbonna is an appointee at a state level whereas Maduekwe and Magu were at federal level. David notMD (talk) 18:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

How can I make my site Reliable

How can I make my site Reliable like The_Times_of_India My site is https://alatestnews.com

Please give me my question;

1) How many days will it take to make my site reliable like NDTV, The_Times_of_India

2) What steps will I have to take?

3) Any method by which I can show my site is reliable like it.

4) What thing I have to remove from my site

5) What thing should I have to add to my site. 

Digimarksomnath (talk) 10:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

You have created a news feed website and have been inserting it into articles as a reference. This is considered promotional spamming, and has been reverted by several editors. If you persist, you will be blocked. David notMD (talk) 12:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia strongly recommends that people do not try to create articles about themselves (your Sandbox). See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

A source can be considered WP:RS if it has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. A website created 2020 that gives very little info about itself [1] has no reputation of any kind. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Digimarksomnath: IMVHO, when you ask 'how long does it take to become a reliable source' you should ask 'how many years' rather than 'how many days'... (despite all other points raised by other users above). --CiaPan (talk) 12:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Digimarksomnath. None of the questions your asking have answers that would render the material reliable, except possibly what you would have to "add", but not as I think you intended that question to be answered—what you would need to add is a variety of personnel including people who graduated from university journalism programs, some of them having already worked in the jouralism field for a number of years; editors, fact checkers, copywriters, cameraman, photographers, a legal staff, etc. – who then started producing actually reliable material which would result in a feedback loop, the site's actual reliability would become more and more widely known because of its quality which woudl translate to a reputation for reliability and so on, until it reached a critical mass, and eventually it'd be The News©℠®™℗.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Digimarksomnath: How long has The Times of India been around? How many people do they have working for them, what are their jobs, and how does that contribute to their reliability? In other words, make your site a proper news organization as recognized by the readers it should aim to serve. Once it is recognized that way, people (not you) may start citing it in articles here, and there will no doubt be discussions about whether it is a reliable source. People making the argument for reliability will be able to point to your site's track record of good reporting and qualified editors, fact-checkers, etc., and (hopefully) successfully make the argument that it's reliable. The more you, as the owner, attempt to promote it, the harder that argument for reliability is to make, since it appears that you simply want to attract more "eyeballs" by using Wikipedia to promote your site. That's not what we're here for. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Can Morgan Edge be added in the category of fictional american jews.

 Jack1578 (talk) 19:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Only if you can support that statement with a reliable source.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jack1578: If this is about your recent edits to Morgan Edge, then the category you want is Category:Fictional_American_Jews. The category you recently added has a typo. Also, as mentioned above, you need to provide sources that support this character is a Jew. RudolfRed (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jack1578: I have fixed the category name [2] and deleted the misnamed Category:Fictional America Jews. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

In action comic #468 Morgan Edge was revealed to be jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack1578 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

At Special:Diff/1006975742, David notMD reverted the category addition with the summary A statement in 1977 that his birth name was Morris Edelstein does not guarantee Jewishness. Jack1578, is this the basis for your claim – that it's a Jewish-sounding name? Please discuss at Talk:Morgan Edge. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC) In action comic #468 My son,the orphan is revealed that his real name is Morris Edelstein and change to Morgan Edge because he was ashamed of lower-class jewish background.Jack1578 (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion- Can you Pls. ADD Televangelist Michael Dean Murdock, to LAKE CHARLES, LOUISIANA'S "NOTED PEOPLE" Section ? Thanks You Very Much.

 2603:6011:4544:7300:5471:2BEC:74D7:87F1 (talk) 20:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Done. We've also removed a number of names that shouldn't be there per our policy at WP:LISTPEOPLE--Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

write new article - specific topic's notability, copyright

Hi, I'd like to create new Wikipedia page about Steven Hassan's BITE model (very briefly described on his page), using as main source his book "Freedom of Mind". While I'm pretty sure this is a notable topic, I wonder if there may be a copyright issue, if not what is the limit of using text from his book to explain the BITE model. Thank you. InukshukBro (talk) 20:35, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse and thanks for the question. You can visit Wikipedia:Copyright violations to learn about copyright violation and related policy on en-wikipedia. Also, go through Your first article for writing guidelines including notability threshold for subjects etc. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬 20:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, InukshukBro. I'm afraid that one thing you may not do is to use his book as the main source for an article on his model, because it is a primary source, and can only be used in limited ways. The bulk of such an article must be based on sources wholly unconnected with Hassan; and if you cannot find enough such independent sources to base the article on, then by definition the model is not notable. --ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Greetings InukshukBro, and ofc welcome to Wikipedia! I usually just go to google to check if there are independent sources covering the subject - I especially find google news useful. And looking there, there's a few sources that at least partly mention the "BITE model": Fox News Byline Times Vanity Fair Taiwan News Psychiartic Times. In combination with the book as a primary source (used sparingly), you might have just barely enough notability for an article (not sure if about the model or the book?) - but it also might just not suffice, and a discussion might determine that it should rather be an expanded section at Hassan's article.

I recommend you follow the advice by Amkgp and ColinFine first, and then revisit the links I have posted here to determine if you want to go ahead with writing that article. Writing an article is hard and takes a lot of time to get right! (While it sounds like an interesting topic, I personally cannot help you with this because I am working on several articles already.) --LordPeterII (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your answers and tips, expanded section at Hassan's article seems the right approach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InukshukBro (talk • contribs) 21:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox problems

I have an infobox that has stopped working. The code is as follows

Elizabeth Clark
[[File:Elizabeth Clark c. 1915 .jpg|frameless|upright=1]] Elizabeth Clark, about 1915
Born	(1875-05-14)14 May 1875 Hartlebury, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Died	21 April 1972(1972-04-21) (aged 96) Winchester, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Resting place	Kilmeston, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Occupation(s)	Story teller, lecturer, author
Years active	1915–1955

I think I have the correct filename under image, but I have forgotten how to find files. Could somebody please tell me how to locate my files? Pogga D (talk) 20:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Pogga D, I believe your {{circa}} template is breaking the file name. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you mean. If I remove the Template:Circa 1915 it makes no difference I still don't get the image. I need to check the name of the file.Pogga D (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Pogga D: Is it a file you uploaded? Did you upload it here on Wikipedia, or on WikiCommons? AdmiralEek (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I can't recall, I really need to search both.Pogga D (talk) 20:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Pogga D The file is called File:Elizabeth Clark c 1915.jpg (with no . after the c). As the filename in the article needs to be exactly the same as the uploaded name, I removed the circa template. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:48, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much, and I believe you've fixed it.Pogga D (talk) 20:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

If you want to use the circa template, Pogga D, it belongs in the caption rather than the filename. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC) Thanks Larry I had forgotten about the circa templatePogga D (talk) 21:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures and Documets

I did the editing, but still finding it diffucult to upload pictures and documents, in fact cannot find the areas to the links. Kativhup (talk) 10:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Kativhup, are you looking for WP:File Upload Wizard? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 11:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Kativhup Your question above appears to be your only edit to Wikipedia (or any other WMF project). Are you in the right place? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:53, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Mexican State Flags

Every state in Mexico has a coat of arms and a flag in their infobox. However, that flag is almost always just the seal on a white background. I have heard that Mexican state flags are not really a thing on public display, and if you look at the Spanish Wikipedia for Mexican State X it just has the seal and not the flag. Why do we have Mexican state flags on English Wikipedia? Is it just to keep the formatting the same as states in other countries? They seem made up and unnecessary. T-Ro Trains (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@T-Ro Trains: There is a discussion about the use of state flags of Mexico at WikiProject Mexico, where you can join and discuss it. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:59, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Can The Joker be added in the category of fictional characters without a name.

 Jack1578 (talk) 22:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jack1578: You should discuss this on the article's talk page: Talk:Joker_(character). RudolfRed (talk) 22:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jack1578. Help:Category shows how to add a category but Joker (character) has been named both Joker (Jack Napier) and Arthur Fleck in official films so it doesn't seem appropriate. Joker (character)#Origins says about comics: "Payback" gives the Joker's first name as "Jack". He is unnamed in many stories but so are lots of characters. Where do we draw the line if we start calling people unnamed just because they aren't named most of the time? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Thesis Research

Hello! I'm a new wp user and I'm very sorry in advance if I'm not supposed to use the Teahouse platform in this way. I'm a senior design student at Parsons and am doing my thesis on wikipedia and disinformation. I was wondering if I could find someone to interview about being a Wikipedian and their thoughts on how WP has progressed over the past 20 years? Or point me to a social media group that I could dm instead? Again, very sorry this isn't an editing question. Happy to take this post down if it's inappropriate. Hotplates (talk) 07:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

We're pretty broad-minded hereabouts. Thank you for the invitation and for your single (so far) edit elsewhere. I've reverted the latter, well-intentioned though it probably was. I really think you should edit some more. It's not because you have to show you've "earned" the right to ask questions. (You certainly don't have to, though of course your improvements here and there would be appreciated.) No, it's because a bit of experience would probably sharpen your questions. If Nicholson Baker found time to do it, you can too! -- Hoary (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hoary makes a good point. I left a welcome with some materials for getting started on your talk page.

There was another user who recently was doing interviews (in their case specifically about COVID-19); the answers I gave to them might be useful to you as well.

Regarding a social media group, you're looking for Wikipedia Weekly on Facebook. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 10:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Teahouse#Very_broad_questions_about_Wikipedia_and_about_your_experience_as_Wikipedians. may have something helpful. You could try asking at User talk:Jimbo Wales. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Vandalism studies and Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit may have information of interest. Also Wikipedia:Disinformation. David notMD (talk) 12:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hotplates please read Wikipedia:Ethically researching Wikipedia with particular attention to the sections about surveys and interviews as well as best practices. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for the helpful advice! I really appreciate it. Hotplates (talk) 22:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotplates (talk • contribs) 22:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Editing query...

I'm a fairly established editor, but I've lost that box beneath the edit summary box that had common Wiki markups and I can't find how to add it! I've looked in all my preferences but to no avail. Sorry if this is the wrong place for this query! Many thanks for all your great work here. No Swan So Fine (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi No Swan So Fine. At the bottom of the edit box you should see, just to the left of the default insertion characters "– — ° ′ ″ ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ ← → · §" a field that says "Insert" with a small blue button marked with up/down carats. Click that, and a drop down menu should o[en. Choose "wiki markup". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:27, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much...Not sure what happened earlier! No Swan So Fine (talk) 00:34, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Who will offer to implement this "good" roads merge/redirect suggestion?

The suggestion at Talk:Federal Aid Road Act of 1916 § Merge of articles on this act is nearing its 10th anniversary without the portion relating to Rural Post "Good" Roads Act of 1916 being implemented. Are there any volunteers either to do it, or to offer some specific pointers on doing it?

Also, do you think there's any "good" reason for retaining those quotation marks in the title of the article? (It looks to me like this article title is only used in Template:United States Postal Service.) Fabrickator (talk) 22:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: For now, I added another source (from the House history site) and moved it to the correct title (without "Good"). It was used in several more places, which I also changed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:44, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

finding citations

I have trouble getting enough reference material online to add citations where needed. I have tried the local library and Internet Archive. There must be other sources to use. Would there be a list of online resources for those of us who like to add citations? OodFloo (talk) 19:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@OodFloo: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources could be helpful, but it probably depends on the subject of the article - what is reliable for video games may not be reliable for international governmental relations. Template:Find sources might be helpful. Reaching out to the WikiProjects associated with the article may also be helpful. GoingBatty (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@OodFloo: What are you looking to write about? What are your interests? AdmiralEek (talk) 20:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Google Books is an incredible resource, and often points you in the direction of many other sources. No Swan So Fine (talk) 23:30, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@OodFloo:, I suggest that you also look at Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library, especially the "Find sources" section at the top. The Library makes a number of useful sources available to WP editors. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Inconsistency in some Chemistry articles

I was doing some editing and research and came across this situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleic_acid_dibutyl_ester https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_maleate Dimethyl maleate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_maleate Diethyl maleate

So Dimethyl maleate article is called that as is diethyl maleate. However, Dibutyl maleate (DBM) article redirects to Maleic acid dibutyl ester. Surely there needs to be some consistency. Probably needs a very experienced chemistry editor to look at. GRALISTAIR (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey GRALISTAIR. I suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry for someone to take a look and advise or sort the issue. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

These sort of inconsistencies are a consequence of different article creation dates and editors. Fortunately, the ability within Wikipedia to use redirects means that readers looking for a given chemical under a variety of names (and e.g. molecular formulae) should find it. As advised, WT:WikiProject Chemistry is the place to discuss this if you have a specific proposal to sort things out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@GRALISTAIR: I've no idea if it's the case here, but it can also be that a butyl compound may be more commonly known by a name in a different nomenclature system or trivial name than an analogous ethyl compound. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (chemistry) may be helpful. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Well it has been sorted so great news. Article has been renamed as suggested. So I suggest this section on Teahouse can be archived etc. GRALISTAIR (talk) 02:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Protecting page

Hello, How do I protect a page from Vandalism, if I’m not an administrator? How do I get administrative privileges ? Cyberanthropologist (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cyberanthropologist. Requests for protection are made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Becoming an administrator requires, among others, thousands of edits and deep experience in many areas of the encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

By the way, I am posting below a canned template providing some standard advice about dealing with vandals.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

You can report obvious and persistent vandals at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (WP:AIV) to be blocked from further editing. Before posting there, a final warning in an escalating series should have been posted to the user's talk page (for example {{Uw-vandal4}}, {{Uw-spam4}} or {{Uw-speedy4}}), and the user must have vandalized within the last few hours, including after the final warning was given. Various warning templates can be found at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace (easily remembered by the shortcut WP:WARN). Your block request is unlikely to be acted upon unless you follow these steps. Cases that are not simple vandalism can be reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Of course, in conjunction with warning against and reporting vandalism, you have the ability, mandate and are encouraged to revert all instances of vandalism you find yourself.Template:Z36--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Fuhghettaboutit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberanthropologist (talk • contribs) 03:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)