Talk:Vodka

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Dubious EB ref

I removed mentioning of "Sydnayaska Krueger" - absent in the ref cited. Could not confirm from independent sources. - Altenmann >t

Jan Chryzostom Pasek

'The exact production methods were described in 1768 by Jan Paweł Biretowski and in 1774 by Jan Chryzostom Pasek.' Jan Chryzostom Pasek died in 1701. There seems to be some kind of a mix-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.73.123.74 (talk) 09:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41grtlks (talk • contribs) 18:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

This should have been noted earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41grtlks (talk • contribs) 18:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Place of origin reference

The very first reference (right under the opening image) to "Oxford Dictionaries" website actually states that vodka's place of origin is Russia. However it says Poland in the article. Since subject's place of origin is an ongoing debate we should probably remove "place of origin" information from the top of the article or change it to Russia (since that's what reference says). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.3.202.224 (talk) 21:59, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Second reference is not a reliable source, leaving Poland as the oldest recorded origin Seerofrtruth (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Oknazevad

When you try to label editings as something, look better at your actions first and than talk again. When you are on Wikipedia and have respect to culture, you better be more objective and don't try to push hard into a corner which represents only a fragment of many. Anyone who tries here to make Russia's role smaller as it is, clearly ignores Russia's connection to the vodka brand and the perception worldwide. In fact you trie to manipulate the global perception and try to unlink it from Russia more to the west (Poland). And it's done here in a very exaggerated way which is not tolerable. If you do not like the editings, then you should become more sensitive and give the theme more respect.--85.212.110.65 (talk) 08:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I'd advise you to actually read the article references and the talk page archives. Maybe you'd be surprised to find out what you thought you knew is actually wrong. I know I was when I read them. Wikipedia is not here to reinforce your preconceptions. PS, I don't like vodka anyway. I'm a bourbon guy. oknazevad (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

so your viewpoint is that this article should be not really objective, but should be viewed from a western viewpoint ? that's how it sounds to me ! why ? because it's a attempt to minimize Russias role in vodka history and also the manipulation of worldwide actual perception. it's also not only about sources. btw there are many different sources and they are even proof that this article is even less objective - keyword: medicine and another term for alcohol in poland, but that's another point. but now let's talk about more than sources. the picture with Russian vodka for example should be placed very high considering Russias role in vodka popularization and that has nothing to do with sources at all.

i think the solution could be to make two different articles then, one for polish vodka ( btw present vodka was not called vodka back then in poland ) and one Russian vodka. this article takes the old russian term for alcohol - vodka - but places another claimant in a exaggerated way on the top. when you really think that this is ok, then i think you don't understand this subject and also the picture behind it. people are very aware of such things. in general the western world and wikipedia has a long way to go to even understand that there exist other viewpoints in the world, in Russia, in Islam, in Asia. what i've seen in behavior is that this article is not even ready to make it even a little more objectively. just wow about that. sharing means being more modest --85.212.208.174 (talk) 12:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

...not to sound like an over-sensitive ultranationalist or anything. Mpaniello (talk) 15:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Percentage by weight

For the benefit of chemically oriented readers, the article should say what the percentages by volume mean in terms of percentage by mass (weight). --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I would argue that that would be trivial, as distilled spirits are universally (and legally) defined in terms of alcohol by volume. The percentage by weight doesn't factor into it. It might be interesting to know, but it's not a chemistry article, so it's not important enough to include. oknazevad (talk) 16:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Kievan Rus' in the 16th Century?

I'm not sure what's ultimately meant by this statement: "The word vodka written in Cyrillic appeared first in 1533, in relation to a medicinal drink brought from Poland to Russia by the merchants of Kievan Rus'.[10]," but Kievan Rus' hadn't existed for two or three centuries in 1533. Mpaniello (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)