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:{{tq|Dr. Wakefield was exonerated by the High Court in the UK in 2012}} is an old canard. Wakefield wasn't exonerated, the other doctor was. So, yeah, somebody got exonerated, but it wasn't Wakefield. [[User:Tgeorgescu|Tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:Tgeorgescu|talk]]) 06:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC) |
:{{tq|Dr. Wakefield was exonerated by the High Court in the UK in 2012}} is an old canard. Wakefield wasn't exonerated, the other doctor was. So, yeah, somebody got exonerated, but it wasn't Wakefield. [[User:Tgeorgescu|Tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:Tgeorgescu|talk]]) 06:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC) |
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Many of these questions arise frequently on the talk page concerning Andrew Wakefield. To view an explanation to the answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Q1: Is the article with its negative material biased? (No.)
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Andrew Wakefield is promoting a movie called "1986 The Act"
http://www.autismone.org/content/dr-andrew-wakefield-talks-about-his-documentary-film-1986-act
https://www.facebook.com/1986theact/
Apparently its VAXXED part 3 if you look at the posts2601:640:C600:3C20:E17A:89F2:3D3B:A3D3 (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Interesting. However, this is a Wikipedia Talk Page.
207.140.153.226 (talk) 22:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Misinformation Contained Herein is a disservice to public
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The information presented herein is not merely highly misleading, it is downright incorrect. As such it does a great disservice to the public in their search for credible information regarding Dr. Andrew Wakefield and for factual information with regard to Vaccines and their potential harm. Dr. Wakefield was exonerated by the High Court in the UK in 2012. Completely and absoloutely. This fact has been excluded from the page representing the Dr. and his professional career history and legal dealings with regard to the factual and supported information contwined in tne article referenced as published in "The Lancet". The responsible and ethical action is to edit the information as presented to reflect the entirety of what occurred and not simlpy the information which is generally 'accepted' and does not provoke or incur any negative reaction or ill will from the medical community. While there is a plethora of rhetorical and anecdotal information in the area of Vaccines and the protection they are claimed to provide by the aforementioned community. These views are widely presented alongside peer-reviewed and published credible articles, studies, and other documents used for the edification of, and in support for the medical/health care industry's endorsement and recommendation that Vaccines are 'safe' and serve a purpose which justifies the rarely disclosed numbers of contraindictions, and negative health effects/outcomes which are a very real and well documented reality for a vast number of parents and caregivers whose children have suffered these effects. I am including a link which provides the information showing that Dr. Andrew Wakefield was exonerated by the High Court in the UK. There is also a plethora of peer reviewed, well documented and citation supported articles and studies which entirely support the statement I have made. I would like to see the information provided for Dr. Wakefield updated to reference his exoneration and the opening sentence changed to remove the word 'discredited'. It is important for all relevant information to be presented when making a claim about the benefits of an action- To merely present that which is socially or generally accepted as the 'right thing to do' is to blindly stake your reputation and claims on the dangerous and very slippery slope of censorship- Ignoring the knowledge of this information being incorrect and this leaving it as presented would be a grave error.~ Justsues (talk) 05:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Start by reading all of the references at the end of the article, Justsues, and note that this Wikipedia article accurately summarizes these sources. Generalized complaints about articles are not productive. You are expected to propose specific changes to the article, based on summarizing what reliable sources say about Wakefield. That's how Wikipedia operates. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- What sources do you have for your extraordinary claims? Where is that "link" you are "including"? Do you really believe that we change the article because some random person on the internet says we should? --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:09, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Dr. Wakefield was exonerated by the High Court in the UK in 2012
is an old canard. Wakefield wasn't exonerated, the other doctor was. So, yeah, somebody got exonerated, but it wasn't Wakefield. Tgeorgescu (talk) 06:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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