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After how many days my article will appear on wikipedia? Kazorel (talk) 21:50, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Kazorel Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You edited your user page, which is not article space, and not searchable by outside search engines. That is a place for you to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia user. You may submit drafts using Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 21:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Kazorel Quickly copy all that content you put on your User page to a document on your computer, and then delete it from your User page. You can try again to create a draft by following the instructions at WP:YFA. Drafts are submitted to be reviewed via the Articles for creation mentioned by 331dot. There is a backlog of drafts, so it can be months from submitting a draft to it being reviewed. ALL THAT DOES NOT MATTER YET, because the content you created will not be accepted as an article. Wikipedia requires notability supported by what is written about a person, not by a person. The University of Warsaw article has a list of Professors for whom articles exist. Use those as models for what you want to create. David notMD (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kazorel: I've improved the formatting of the page with wikicode e.g. ==Heading== creates a (main level) heading titled "Heading". Hope this is alright! Let me know if you have any formatting questions on my talk page. Otherwise I agree with what users have said above about how to submit a draft, and what to do before that—see WP:GNG and WP:NACADEMIC for notability guidelines we have on these topics. — Bilorv (talk) 22:42, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Now at Draft:Ryszard Zięba. David notMD (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Kazorel It's a draft, but has not been submitted for review. David notMD (talk) 14:22, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

New article creation guide

I want a guide on how should I go on and publish my new article on the wikipedia without getting it banned so can any one help me out with this

P.s I have my article in place if you check it out before I publish it it would be great so that it would not get banned Jay dhandhukiya (talk) 10:49, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Jay dhandhukiya: you won't get banned, I'm 99% sure, most is just a reminder. I recommend looking at article wizard before and also look at what qualifies for deletion so cheers ~ Lovin'Politics (talk) 11:22, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the only edit your account has made has been here to the Teahouse, Jay dhandhukiya. Loads of advice has now been added to your Talk Page. Spend time to read some of that and you shouldn't go far wrong. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Jay dhandhukiya: You need to appeal your original block at User talk:Savvyapp. Also, if you post a comment to an admin's talk page, please take care not to overwrite someone else's post. Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:45 Sat 13, AEDT) 23:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit for tone

is it possible to ask for help for editing for tone? I have a wikipedia page that I need to submit for review but the draft needs an edit for tone Cheynoel (talk) 11:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Cheynoe. No problem in asking but it would help us to know which draft you mean, as you seem to have been working on several recently. Also, the main hurdle in getting any article accepted will be to show the WP:NOTABILITY of the subject. People can work to improve the tone later, if that aspect seems poor to the reviewer.Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull, they are referring to Draft:Houndstooth Records which currently is in AfC Review Process. CommanderWaterford (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Cheynoel, you could ask the reviewer for clarification. The draft doesn’t seem too promotional overall (at least to me), which would be, after notability, the most common stumbling block. I’m not experienced in music articles nor AFC reviewing, but from a quick skim-read I would suggest looking at the use of "synergy", "celebration", and "innovation has been the ethos" in Wikipedia's voice. Yes, encyclopedic style is dry, but you can use direct quotes as you have done in the "innovation" paragraph as long as you don’t over-do it. Hope that helps! — Pelagic ( messages ) – (11:19 Sat 13, AEDT) 00:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Academics

Reliable secondary resources for notability of academics

• Can we use official website of a leading university in a country as a reliable secondary source to establish the notability of its faculty?
• Is director of a particular department in a University considered as - named chair appointment or distinguished professor as cited Wikipedia:Notability (academics)? Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 19:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

On your second question, Wisdomwiki 40, a named chair (and a distinguished professorship) is different to being a head of department. A head of department might not even be a full professor in some cases. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Cordless Larry appreciate your care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisdomwiki 40 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Respected members, I need attention on the first question too. thanksWisdomwiki 40 (talk) 10:22, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Wisdomwiki In short, yes. See WP:PROF. ~ Shushugah (talk) 00:08, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

too many primary sources

"this article relies too much on references to primary sources" What is wrong with having to many primary sources on a wiki page? If only containing primary sources, how would adding secondary and/or tertiary sources to an article improve it? example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Secession_Ordinance 96.19.47.144 (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! The primary sources just state something exists. The secondary sources help us determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". See Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Primary sources are often what an organization writes about itself (press releases, etc.). Wikipedia calls for information about the topic from other sources. For the example you mentioned, the first has a one-sentence mention about the authoring of the Ordinance, buried in a National Register description of a house. The second did not connect to a source of the text of the Ordinance, so useless. Surely there are better refs. David notMD (talk) 11:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

For an encyclopedia article I’d want to see not just the text of the Ordinance, but what was the historical background and subsequent effect. Compare South Carolina Declaration of Secession. Perhaps the tag about primary sources doesn’t fully reflect that. Pelagic ( messages ) – (12:03 Sat 13, AEDT) 01:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Live article

Why is my article not live? I have moved my article from draftspace to mainspace but it is still not live.

Castling D (talk) 08:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)Castling D Castling D (talk) 08:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Castling D If your article is in mainspace, it is formally part of the encyclopedia and "live". If you are referring to search engines, it takes time for them to index new articles. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Your article exists as Kwadjo Asante. Before it can be found via a search at Google or other search engine, it needs to be seen and approved by New Pages Patrol, or if not acted on by NPP, then at 90 days. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The article in question is Odeneho Oppong Prince. Can you check that out and comment for me? The article Kwadjo Asante is okay with how its turned out for me...Thank you... Castling D (talk) 16:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)Castling D

Castling D for both articles, you moved them from Draft to mainspace without submitting to the Articles for Creation review process. That is allowed. However, these now go to Wikipedia:New pages patrol, where it is possible that they be reverted to Draft or nominated for deletion. Only after passing NPP can they be found via search engines, or if not reviewed at NPP within 90 days, auto-approved. David notMD (talk) 09:47, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

David notMD Appreciate. thanks.Castling D (talk)

Journal Citations

I need some help with some citations. I want to cite certain pages but am not sure how? any help, heres the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Antarctica_in_World_War_II. I want to link pages 4 and 5 on citations 9 and 10. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 19:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: {{cite journal}} has a |pages= param for this purpose. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: Reference #3 in your draft already contains |pages=470–472, so you can see how it displays in your draft. You can do the same thing with the other references where appropriate. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Normally I use pages= for the extent of the article in its journal issue, and add {{Rp}} to refer to a specific page in the article. — Pelagic ( messages ) – (13:17 Sat 13, AEDT) 02:17, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Oops forgot ping Gandalf the Groovy. — Pelagic ( messages ) – (13:20 Sat 13, AEDT) 02:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for help at ADM (company)

Hello! David here on behalf of Archer-Daniels-Midland Company, seeking to improve the Wikipedia article by suggesting some updates at Talk:ADM (company). I'm not editing the article myself to comply with conflict-of-interest rules, and I'm hoping an editor or two here might be able to review and update the page for me. I don't think the requests are complicated to review, but they've gone unanswered since November. Might someone be able to help? Thanks in advance! ADM DavidW (talk) 20:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Looks to me that you have been submitting edit requests since October 2020, and that many were acted on in a timely fashion. How many are still outstanding? David notMD (talk) 22:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Rather than ask here at the Teahouse, ADM DavidW you may be better to again reach out to the editors who have helped you in the past, as I see you have sometimes done. You seem to be keeping them pretty busy and I'm not surprised they aren't responding so quickly. Other editors could be approached through their membership of the Projects which are interested in the article, perhaps by posting on Project Talk pages such as WT:WikiProject Agriculture. The Teahouse is mainly (but not exclusively) where novice editors are encouraged to come, so experienced folk may not notice requests made here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Talk page vandalism

I asked a question about several instances of vandalism here, and the Teahouse said it probably wouldn't happen again. But now, there are multiple IPs doing the exact same thing here. I am really freaking out about this and don't know whether to suspect sockpuppetry. Can you help?

Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1098#Really_weird_vandalism The old thread. You might not need it, but I've included it here on the off chance that it could be useful. MEisSCAMMER^(talk)_Hello! 22:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

You should request that the article be autoconfirmed protected, at least for a while, as that would prevent IPs from editing the article. David notMD (talk) 22:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

MEisSCAMMER, hey bud. No reason to fret. You handled the situation perfectly. I have reported the main IP involved and warned the both of them. I'll keep an eye on the talk page as well to see if another attack occurs and if further steps are necessary. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 22:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! MEisSCAMMER^(talk)_Hello! 13:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Paulo Costa comment issue?

I just got a notification that a change I made related to fighter Paulo Costa has been removed. I don't think I ever made a change to Wikipedia and don't think I even know how to. Can someone provide me with the details of what I added? I am concerned that someone might be spufing my IP, or some such.

Thanks. 142.114.156.43 (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@142.114.156.43: your IP address, which you use to edit, is shared, so therefore the edit was made by your IP address but not specifically by you. versacespacetalk to me 01:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Your IP address is registered to Sympatico HSE / Bell Canada in Ontario. Most likely another Sympatico customer had the address back in October. Or it’s someone else in your premises on the same connection. You can safely ignore the warning if it wasn’t you. I wouldn’t worry about address spoofing, it’s unlikely. According to Special:Contributions/142.114.156.43, the only edit before now was this change to Paul Costa. Hope that helps! Pelagic ( messages ) – (13:56 Sat 13, AEDT) 02:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Where can I find help with MOS question?

I am an experienced editor and I have done a lot of work on our Rainbow article. Recently an editor came along that has changed the names of the earth, the sun, and the moon to the Earth , Sun, and Moon. Per our MOS there are occasions to use caps but in general caps should not be used. This editor claims that our MOS directs us to always use caps and the fact that none of our sources on rainbows use caps only shows how advanced and correct we are compared to them. In fact, this makes him/her proud to be a Wikipedia editor. I have reached out to two copy editors and have not received help. Where do I turn? Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 01:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC) Gandydancer (talk) 01:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Gandydancer: Earth, Sun, and Moon are proper names and should be captialized, as seen in the articles on these subjects. If you were talking about a moon of some other planet that was not named Moon then you would use lower case. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Celestial_bodies which says it should be capitalized "when used as the name of a specific body in a scientific or astronomical context". I have not looked at the article on Rainbow, so this is general advice. RudolfRed (talk) 01:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Gandydancer and Randy Kryn: Reading through Talk:Rainbow#Upper_cased_Sun_and_Earth it seems to me that you both agree on what the MOS says, you just do not agree on specific uses in the page. This is in essence a run-of-the-mill content dispute. My suggestions to resolve it would be first to list the disagreements (it is likely that some uses require capitalization while others do not) and then look for outside assistance using the steps at WP:DR (which would likely mean starting by a WP:3O). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks RudolfRed and Tigraan. In the comments above Gandydancer (a great name by the way) mischaracterizes my comments. Of course sun, moon, and earth are not always capitalized, as, for example, "sun" is often used to mean sunshine, "earth" the soil of the planet, and "moon" is not capitalized when writing about the phases of the moon, etc. What I'm very proud of about Wikipedia is that it stands out in actually upper-casing the proper names of that giant nuclear furnace in the sky, the large rock-like thing that follows Earth around like a lost puppy, and the planet that Wikipedia exists on itself, because not all sources do. That the Sun, when writing about the star, has a proper and common name is just common sense, but this is not held to be true by Scientific American and other scientific americans. Yes, a case-by-case discussion is the appropriate way to go, but the obvious examples of proper names at Rainbow and other pages should not be reversed on the general principal of tossing the baby in the bathwater and see if, by luck, it comes out clean. Randy Kryn Randy Kryn (talk) 12:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

• To be clear here, the only help I got was from Tigraan who called it a run-of-the-mill content disagreement. Contrary to the way that Scientific American and groups such as the Harvard University Department of Physics, not to mention every site that we are using for the article, I find it hard to believe that Wikipedia has departed from the standard way to use caps for celestial bodies and made up their own. Their own WP system, a system in which the rainbow article is now written to have the more than 20 bodies mentioned in caps, with only two that are left without caps, most likely to have been missed by this editor. Gandydancer (talk) 20:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Gandydancer. Please point out one or a few examples and take those to the talk page. You did mention one with wording about "in the direction of the Sun" which seems to indicate the star and not sunshine. If the context is "sunshine" then please change it to "sunshine", otherwise it means the star, which has a proper name. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

A few examples? Except for two which you apparently missed you changed them all. I'm done here. Gandydancer (talk) 20:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

OK edit?

Does my first edit look OK? To The_Sentinel_(KSU). Boomshel (talk) 01:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Boomshel, hello, friend, and welcome to Wikipedia! For the claim you made, I think you should include a reliable reference to prove that this scam actually happened. You can see the beginner's guide to references if you need some help citing sources. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 01:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

It’s evident if you look at the links given. Not sure how to make it clearer. They are already there. Boomshel (talk) 02:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Boomshe: You were editing the Infobox for the article and all that should appear there is the current website address: thanks for updating that. If the scam is noteworthy compared to the other information about the paper, then it should be described in the article, along with an WP:independent reliable source for that information. Sourcing should not just be a WP:PRIMARY one that might be mentioned somewhere in an publication from The Sentinel itself: there needs to be evidence that the scam was noticed and discussed elsewhere. Whatever you find, I suggest you delete your comment from the Infobox, leaving just the current URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I commented on the talk page. Less informative now. Boomshel (talk) 19:27, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Uploading Original Maps

Error uploading an original map created with Power BI using publicly available data.

I am trying to upload an image of a map depicting the Women, Business and the Law (WBL https://wbl.worldbank.org/en/wbl) index on gender equality. I created the map myself using Power BI and the Open source data from WBL, however whenever I attempt to upload the image I get the following error message: "We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons." What do I need to do to prove this is original content?

}} Carneadesofcyrene (talk) 03:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Commons:Own Work would help here. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 07:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Drafts

FYI

 – Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 05:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

After copy-editing and submitting article , why no reviewer reviewing my drafts Draft : Maroti Temple of Shirsada,Draft: Ghodasgaon (District - Jalgaon) ,Draft: Jalgaon housing scam , Draft : Jalgaon District Court , Draft : North Maharashtra .These articles are made after extensive research and are corrected by experienced native English speakers from USA.Take a look to review them. 106.210.230.99 (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I moved the big yellow AfC templates to the top of each draft to make it more obvious that you're ready for a review. Note that each template asks you to "please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 5,152 pending submissions waiting for review." You can continue working on each draft while you're waiting. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Two Declined, the other three were all submitted within the last ten days. As it says in the yellow boxes, reviews can happen as long as several months after drafts submitted. David notMD (talk) 09:07, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

• Several of these are now published articles, allegedly by the same author Research Voltas. Assuming good faith and no SOCK behaviour, I have marked some of the Drafts for merge with the article namespaces themselves. Shushugah (talk) 11:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Shushugah Some drafts content are moved from draft to new article with good intention.And after making lots of improvement suggested by reviewer. Unsourced , incited subsections are omitted after reviewer asked refrences for them. New content added from Jalgaon district census and archive journals of British government from 1880 ,1911. Census data added from official website o of Government of India , it's census of 1981 ,1991,2001 and 2011 citation added. Research Voltas (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC) ShushugahAll these article written in my own words without copying a single word. Paragraph created in my own language after studying census data column's of 2001 , 2011.Research Voltas (talk) 11:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

How Great articles are determined ?

Hi , How reviewers or editors designate a article is GA.What are the examples of GA ? How to make a article GA? 106.210.230.99 (talk) 05:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Good_articles for all your answers. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

About 0.7% of all articles are either Good or Featured (there is no "Great" classification). Both require a review process wherein an editor submits and an experienced reviewer stipulates changes that are needed to qualify. Most articles being nominated for GA review were already B-class, but sometimes an editor starts with a C-class article. David notMD (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Can you review my drafts ?

Hi one week ago , I made five WP article drafts and submitted it.But still no reviewer reviewing them? These drafts are made after extensive research.The areDraft: Maroti Temple of Shirsada ,Draft: Jalgaon District Court ,Draft: Jalgaon housing scam , Draft: Ghodasgaon (District - Jalgaon) ,Draft:North Maharashtra. 106.210.230.99 (talk) 05:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Answered in the Drafts section above. GoingBatty (talk) 05:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi after showing so many refrences after lines , my drafts are declined. My WP articles about and around my place are have just two or three refrences and lots of original research. But I added lots of citations in my draft but some one declined it.Now I made some changes in these draft as reviewer said. Can any reviewer her go and review them ? From these draft one draft Draft :Kothali, Muktainagar was accepted by the reviewer. But remaining these drafts , alao made with the same way. Then why they're declined in just elleven seconds. I don't think the reviewer properly read my drafts and then reviewed. 106.210.230.99 (talk) 06:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

References

Teahouse editors are not AfC reviewers (well a few are, but that does not get a request made here to trigger a review). David notMD (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

As one AfC Reviewer let me say that it not even needs 10 seconds to see if a section is referenced or not. GoingBatty explained the declined drafts. Please add the references, resubmit the draft and maintain patience, a Review can take time, there are more than 5,000 AfC Drafts waiting for review coming in every few minutes new Drafts - in the worst case it can take up to several months. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

User:CommanderWaterford lots of poorly referenced articles are live on WP but my drafts with so many refrences they declined. Some are still not reviewed. For ex Jalgaon , Gulabrao Devkar these drafts are stub. Poorly referenced and too small according to WP standards. Some articles are Original research see Bahinabai Chaudhari , Changdev, Muktainagar, Raksha Khadse but they are live. And my drafts with refrence and citation not accepted. Why? 106.210.230.99 (talk) 10:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Pinging CommanderWaterford as a courtesy. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, thanks but nothing to add what not already had been said. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

That other poor drafts and articles exist does not mean yours can too. With over 6 million articles and drafts in addition, and only a limited number of volunteers to work on them, it is possible for inappropriate content to get by us. This does not mean other inappropriate content should be allowed, or otherwise this would cease to be a useful encyclopedia. We can only address what we know about- if you would like to help identify inappropriate articles and address them, your help would be welcome. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

AGAIN, Teahouse hosts are here to advise about how to edit Wikipedia BUT ARE NOT REVIEWERS. In reply to some of your other comments, Stubs are allowed as long as referenced, original research should be deleted from articles, and WP:OTHER STUFF EXISTS explains that finding examples of articles that do exist is a useless exercise. Work on improving your drafts that were declined, and be patient about the others waiting on a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

You can also help improve those articles that you mentioned if you have reliable sources for them. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Wayback Machine

FYI

 – Added header. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I don't want to waste your time, so I'll just cut to the chase: Should I put citations in the Wayback Machine (without citing on Wikipedia) so that if the link goes dead, it will still be there? Or is that something that is a waste of time? CodingCyclone ^{[citation needed]} 05:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@CodingCyclone: You mean making sure the references used are backed up? We do have bots that automatically archive these: see WP:PLRT. However, if you want to help, you can go into any page's history and click "Fix dead links", which takes you to a page that will make add these archives into Wikipedia and can archive the ones that don't have an archive yet. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I didn't know about this. CodingCyclone ^{[citation needed]} 06:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Please Review draft

Anybody please review my draft page. Link attached : Draft:Kiliroor Kunnummel Bhagavathy Temple

Thank you ❤️ ProudMallu (talk) 06:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello ProudMallu, as the template on the draft says, it takes time to get drafts reviewed and they aren't reviewed in any particular order. Requesting a quick review does not increase your chance. Please be patient. SenatorLEVI 06:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse editors are not AfC reviewers (well a few are, but that does not get a request made here to trigger a review). David notMD (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Duplicate citation detector?

Is there a tool that can detect a citation used twice? So let's say you have a 1000-reference article with two separate citations accidentally using http://www.example.com/. Is there a tool that can spot this? GeraldWL 09:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, AutoWikiBrowser for example, see WP:HTADC. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:REFILL? Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

How to know if your newly written article has been forwarded to moderators and awaits approval

Hi, I recently wrote an article and after completing it, I realised I am not a verified contributor, yet. This means that any articles I write have to be accepted by a moderator. After finishing the article, I believe that I correctly added it to the a list of articles that need to be screened to see if they will be accepted or not. How can I find out whether my article has been successfully added to this list?

Let me know if you need any other information, thanks in advance! Dimitris Dimitris Zavitsanos (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Dimitris Zavitsanos Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Other than to this page, you have no edits from your account. Did you create the draft before you created this account? If you could link to the draft, we can tell you if you submitted it. 331dot (talk) 09:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dimitris Zavitsanos. Per above, if we knew the username of IP address by which you wrote it, it would be easier, but is there a big honking yellow notice on the page saying "Review waiting, please be patient..."? Does the page say at the bottom that it's in Category:Pending AfC submissions? If yes, it's submitted and awaiting review by AfC reviewers (not "moderators"). If not, you can submit it by editing the draft, pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top, and saving the page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dimitris Zavitsanos: If you refer to el:User:Dimitris Zavitsanos/πρόχειρο then it has not been submitted. {{subst:submit}} is for the English Wikipedia here at https://en.wikipedia.org. Each language edition chooses its own procedures. I don't know Greek or the procedures of the Greek Wikipedia. There may or may not be a way to submit a draft for review. Maybe new users are supposed to just create articles directly. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Maybe el:Βικιπαίδεια:Το πρώτο σου λήμμα is of help. Questions should be asked at the language edition they are about. This page is for the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Dimitris Zavitsanos (talk) 19:24, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Thank you all! Your comments were all spot on. Here’s the link for the draft: https://el.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A7%CF%81%CE%B7%CC%81%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82:Dimitris_Zavitsanos/%CF%80%CF%81%CE%BF%CC%81%CF%87%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%BF

We can't help w2ith el.wp beyond what has already been said above. Different Wikipediae, different standards and policies. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 21:01, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Detecting vandalism on Recent Changes?

How come I can't filter for vandalism on Special:RecentChanges anymore? I haven't edited Wikipedia for about a year. ωικιωαrrιorᑫᑫ1ᑫ 12:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, WikiWarrior9919! Look at the three bars on the left of the 'filter changes' search bar, where you can sort for bad faith, good faith, etc. You also might want to look for the tags #possible vandalism, #Possible vandalism, #possible BLP issue or vandalism, #Section blanking, etc. You can do this by typing '#' followed by the tag, e.g. typing in '#possible vandalism'. Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk)

About page protection

How to protect an article from editing? Wikiaddictcommo (talk) 12:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikiaddictcommo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Page protection may be requested at WP:RFPP; you will need to provide a reason with your request. 331dot (talk) 12:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

How do you add the template message "This might not reflect worldwide views of the subject"?

By that i mean those squares that appear at top of a Wikipedia page, like when a page says: "This section does not cite any sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed."

(I'm asking because I noticed that the "Classroom" article (even though it has images from clasrooms of multiple countries, when it comes to mentioning examples of classrooms in country specific classrooms, it only mentions classrooms the U.S. educational system.) --Teuf0rt (talk) 14:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC) Teuf0rt (talk) 14:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Teuf0rt! You might be looking for {{Globalize}}. If you want to find more templates, just search 'Template:whatever describes the issue'. For example, if the article needs more citations, the template would be {{More citations needed}}, if the article does not adhere to the manual of style, use {{MOS}}, etc. Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 14:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Not all templates are intuitively named, and there's probably thousands of different content templates of this type. {{Wikipedia templates}} is a good place to look for many of them, links on that list will take one to various other pages listing templates of a bewildering array of uses. --Jayron32 15:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Teuf0rt I think the template you're looking for is Template:Globalize. It has parameters where you can specify the country, so you can use {{Globalize|article|US}} which will display "The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with the United States and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject." Joseph2302 (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@ User:Joseph2302 From: Teuf0rt

I'd just like to quickly thank you for all your help, Joseph. Sincerely, Teuf0rt Teuf0rt (talk) 15:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@User: Jayron32 Thanks for your help, Jayron. Sincerely, Teuf0rt. Teuf0rt (talk) 15:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Searching for an article directs to a related, but different page

Um, hi. Hello. I just recently submitted an article for NEO: The World Ends With You, a sequel to the 2007 game The World Ends With You. The page just got approved as an article, but upon searching the article on the search bar, Wikipedia directs the user to the "Sequel" section of the first game instead of the actual article for the sequel. I would also like to add a link to the sequel article in said section on the article for the first game, but the link appears as a red link even though the page already exists. How can I fix this? Dextramatsu (talk) 15:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Dextramatsu, hello, friend, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have fixed the redirect, and it now points to the correct article. In order to add that link to the section, just type {{main|Neo: The World Ends With You}} at the top of said section. Hope that helps! Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 15:06, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiLove enabling

Hello!! thnx so much in advance to all the kind people helping! I have noticed that some users have a button where I can give them WikiLove! Some of them don't. I was wondering how I could enable this for my profile? chefs-kiss (talk) 15:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi chefs-kiss. I think there is a heart tab for WikiLove on all user talk pages except a user's own talk page. If you don't see it somewhere then please give an example. I see it at User talk:Chefs-kiss. If you refer to something other than a heart tab then please say what and give an example where you see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Chefs-kiss, it can be enabled/disabled in Preferences, on the Editing tab. Look for the check-box labelled "Enable showing appreciation for other users with the WikiLove tab" under General Options. Pelagic ( messages ) – (16:18 Sat 13, AEDT) 05:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Position of link to award page

Hello, I was reading Jodie Foster and I realized the list of awards and nominations is nowhere to be found in the text. Then I discovered it's shown in another format at the most bottom part of the page? Personally, I think it's very inaccessible to readers, I don't have much experience in editing biography, so I'm not sure whether it's a common practice. I have read many biography articles, but this is the first time such important link is not located in the main text. I have put a 'See also: (link to the award list)' at the beginning of the career section. Am I doing it right? I understand I should be extra careful when editing a biography for a living person. Hopefully, you can aid me in this situation. Lots of thanks! ZeroApocalypse (talk) 15:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi ZeroApocalypse. It's also linked on "Awards   Full list" in the infobox and "She has received and been nominated for many awards" in the lead. A link in the Career section also seems reasonable but I have combined it with an existing link to avoid repeating "See also".[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, PrimeHunter. It looks great now. ZeroApocalypse (talk) 16:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Page Protection

How do I semi-protect a page, or request a page for protection. The page Thiago Alcantara, was protected a few weeks ago but has recently been un protected. Please could you let me know how to semi-protect a page. Thanks TheWikiEditor1234 (talk) 15:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@TheWikiEditor1234: Only administrators can protect pages. If the page is experiencing vandalism or disruption, you can make a request at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 16:05, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Celebs

How can you find information about people Ima Jewels (talk) 16:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Ima Jewels, Not sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate? βӪᑸᙥӴ • Talk • Contribs 16:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism Help

I want a help in an article to stop Vandalism. User Arjayay is changing my edit or editing my article. 2405:6580:C500:5A00:F533:CCD5:C446:8A29 (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Please be aware that no article is yours, While you may edit an article greatly, anyone is allowed to edit any article as long as it is not vandalism or in your userspace. βӪᑸᙥӴ • Talk • Contribs 16:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Dhungana is not 'your' article. You have been adding and subtracting content without providing references for the additions or justification for the deletions, and so all of your edits have been reverted. If you persist, warnings on your Talk page will increase in severity, leading, potentially, to you being blocked from editing this article. David notMD (talk) 19:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Article writing

By: EarthRex: Can someone please teach me how to add the reference part. EarthRex (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

EarthRex, welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed your contributions and wanted to thank you for choosing Wikipedia. Since you wanted to know about referencing you may like to read WP:REFB, WP:IC, WP:CITE and WP:YFA. These pages contain the information about referencing for beginner, citing sources, etc. –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 18:05, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Helping / more often

Hello how can I become a helper and be a lot more help for this site FentonEditor (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@FentonEditor: Thanks for trying to help. This should be useful Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

FentonEditor, note that we are here to build an online free encyclopedia. Whatever you do to improve and maintain the site, will be appreciated; be that the vandal fighting or content creation, or something else. –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 18:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Creating an Article

I am trying to create an article, but it will not let me. How do I do this? Kaleb.catiko (talk) 18:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Kaleb.catiko, see WP:Articlewizard. Hope it helps! –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 18:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kaleb.catiko, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for declaring your COI. I would point out that 1) creating an article is much harder than it looks, and new editors who plunge straight into it often have a miserable and frustrating time. 2) Doing so with a COI is even harder, because it is likely to be difficult to put aside what you know about the subject, and write neutrally. Basically, Wikipedia is not interested - not even a little bit - in what you know about the subject (or what I know about the subject, or what any random person on the internet knows about the subject): it is only interested in what people who have no connection at all with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

My advice to you is to forget entirely about Domov for a few months, while you learn how Wikipedia works by improving some of our six million articles. Then, when you have at least a few hundred edits that improve articles under your belt, and an understanding of things like sourcing and neutrality, you can read your first article, and follow its advice to create a draft. --ColinFine (talk) 18:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Did I do the right thing??

I just left a polite note on the article talk page for any editor to consider changing the title of that article (as I couldn't edit it myself). It is to further disambiguate (for the sake of clarity) Charles Swainson (naturalist) from Charles Swainson, by suggesting that the latter title have his middle name Anthony inserted, or that it mirror the title format of the former article with a bracketed career ie (theologian). Will it be seen by anyone? Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC) Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Paranoid Numanoid, as far as I have seen patrolling editors usually respond. I see you have made a suggestion at Talk:Charles Swainson that the article be moved. You should open a new discussion on the talk page of the article (which you think should be moved) claiming that the article be moved to the target name supporting your claim with valid reason(s) and seeking consensus of the community. –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 18:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Paranoid Numanoid I added a dab hatnote to the Charles Swainson (naturalist) article, not so much to drive home the point that the reader is reading about the naturalist, but more to allow them to easily jump to the other Charles Swainson's article. If you have multiple people with the same name, there are various ways to disambiguate them - adding a clarifier in parenthesis, adding a middle name or even simply adding a middle initial. But if it's just two people, only one needs to be disambiguated if you use proper hatnotes. It seems that you might be trying to adapt the bare name URL for the article you worked on. If that's the case, you should discuss on both pages to see if indeed the naturalist is the more notable of the two. If nobody objects, then go for it. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks TimTempleton, I missed your earlier note. Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 19:40, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Kammill: I don't mean for any article to be moved, sorry! I meant to suggest that the title be edited to disambiguate further. Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 18:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Paranoid Numanoid Renaming and moving are the same thing. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I knew that! (no I didnt!) ... hopefully someone will consider the suggestion and line things up. Currently a link at the bottom of that article directs one to further reading at archive.org which links to books not by him, but by his namesake. I've emailed archive.org to have the misattribution corrected. Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 19:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

By the way, I put a hatnote on the page for the theologian, so that if someone enters Charles Swainson and goes to the theologian and wants the naturalist, they know where to go. A return hatnote is also good, but not quite as essential. If the two are thought to be approximately equally likely to be searched for, then a disambiguation page could be made primary. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Paranoid Numanoid - What are you saying you want to rename/move the article to? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

So, ... the naturalist is a reverend and the theologian is not ... plus the naturalist is related to the famous Swainson who was also a naturalist? Not confusing at all!

(The theologian was moved from Charles Anthony Swainson → Charles Swainson in 2017.) If we move C.A. Swainson to something else, what do we put at Charles Swainson? We wouldn’t normally have a DAB page for just two people, but sometimes I think we should.

At least the hatnotes and shortdesc's are in place. Charles Anthony Swainson (Q5075163) has external IDs, but Charles Swainson (Q105811427) doesn’t – I'll see if I can find a VIAF or something. Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:48 Sun 14, AEDT) 11:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Plagiarism

I came across a page, namely "Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting" in which an entire section is a quotation of one website. Should I delete this section since it is all one massive quotation? To me, it seems to border on plagiarism as although they source the website they get the information from, there is not one sentence of original text: it has all been lifted. Many thanks EcheveriaJ (talk) 18:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello EcheveriaJ. You could just paraphrase the text, and please also notify the offender on their talk page by look at the article's edit history and viewing edit diffs (which are basically the differences between edits). Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk)

Hi Can you advise exactly which part of the page does this EcheveriaJ, or maybe easier, advise which website it is you think had been infringed/plagiarized? Thanks--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

The "Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting" section, with nearly all the text being quoted from https://www.pulitzer.org/prize-winners-by-category/206 EcheveriaJ (talk) 11:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Frank - Do you have a question?

 Frank6292010 (talk) 18:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

(added section title) David notMD (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

(+[number]) and (-[number]) in Contributions

Hello, I was looking at my contributions and found certain things like (-309) for a picture I put and (+42) for a suggestion.

What do those mean? Xdude gamer (talk) 19:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Xdude gamer, hello, friend! Don't worry about those numbers too much. They just show how many characters were added or removed. For instance, if you added "hello" to a page, it would be +5. If I deleted that "hello," it would be -5. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 19:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@EDG 543 and Xdude gamer: its not the number of characters, its the number of bytes added or removed. Letters always occupy one byte, though certain special characters like []{} or the german ß and most notably emoij may occupy more than one byte. See Wikipedia:Added or removed characters for more info. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Now that makes more sense! I was worrying. I thought it was like some sort of "prestige" level or something to be honest.Xdude gamer (talk) 01:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, may you add or help me make a page?

Hi, i realized there was no page for the Cleveland-Cliffs HBI Furnace Tower in Toledo. may somebody help me make one? Thanks! -Mrfalconcool Mrfalconcool (talk) 19:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Mrfalconcool, welcome at the Teahouse - I suggest making an article request at Wikipedia:Requested articles. CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mrfalconcool. Mostly when someone notices a gap in coverage, the best way to fill it is doing so themselves. If the person is not ready to do so themselves (creating a suitable article is a very difficult task for most new users, even if the subject is manifestly notable, which is a threshold concern to always be answered before you begin writing [and then see WP:YFA), then essentially the only thing to do is make suggestion at requested articles, per above. However, requested articles is approx. 96.34% broken. Mostly it's like dropping a bottle in the ocean and hoping it reaches a destination eventually. Still, you will increase your chances dramatically, in my view, if you were to list alongside your posting (maybe at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences#Buildings?), a number of really good reliable, secondary, independent sources Template:Z21 that the article writing can be based upon. Also to spark interest, you might possibly list next to the entry something like: "Note that this tower is listed at No.1 at [[List of tallest buildings in Toledo, Ohio]], which will link to that article. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Creating a new subcategory

Hi. I am trying to make a subcategory called Category:Palm Beach State College faculty. It is meant to be a subcategory of Category:Faculty by university or college in Florida but I have somehow made a mess of it. Would someone please help me untangle? Thanks so much. remando (talk) 21:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Remando, it seems to be fine. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 22:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

OMG face palming myself. When I saw a listing under the school only for the letter D, I looked for a letter D section in the Category:Faculty by university or college in Florida which of course wasn't there because the new subcategory is under the letter P. Thank you, Giraffer! remando (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Remando: When creating a category, I recommend looking at similar categories to see what they do. I have added another parent category Category:Palm Beach State College to Category:Palm Beach State College faculty. It would also be possible to create an intermediate Category:Palm Beach State College people for alumni, faculty, and what else may come. Category:People by university or college in Florida has many such categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thanks so so much, PrimeHunter. I published your Category:Palm Beach State College people and made the alumni and faculty categories as subs of it. Fingers crossed I did it right. Baby steps! remando (talk) 00:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Remando: I made a couple of tweaks.[2][3] PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Bless you! remando (talk) 01:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

help with sources please!

I am writing a wikipedia page for a youtuber I like that is fairly popular (26,000 subs, total of 4 mil views), but my article got declined because the sources I provided were the youtube link and their discord server link, even though there is proof of everything i stated in those 2 links. the message declining it said I needed a secondary source that is independent of the subject, so I resubmitted it with the sources being screenshots that can be verified by going onto the discord server and looking for them since they're still up. does anyone know anything I can do to improve my sources? 2603:9001:6C01:F7FE:8171:F719:894B:FCF2 (talk) 21:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you misunderstand what you were told by the reviewer. For any person to merit a Wikipedia article, there must be independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Independent reliable sources means that we want sources completely unconnected with the subject that have chosen on their own to give significant coverage to this person. That would be things like news stories, unsolicited independent reviews, books, etc. If no such sources exist, then this person would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. 331dot (talk) 21:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi.Agreeing with everything written above, please note that a large portion of YouTubers are simply not notable, as we use that word here to predominantly mean the existence of reliable, secondary, independent sources that treat the topic in substantive detailTemplate:Z21, on which a verifiable article can be based. If you look at the article on PewDiePie, for example, you'll see that it has many such sources. But most YouTubers have not garnered such coverage. Because of the nature of what an encyclopedia is, a tertiary source compendium of existing knowledge, it is never the right place to write the first independent treatment about a topic; some subjects simply cannot sustain an article. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:NYOUTUBE may be of some help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@2603:9001:6C01:F7FE:8171:F719:894B:FCF2: have you thought about submitting your article to Wikitubia instead? — Kleinpecan 20:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

A page with sources in French

Hello wikipedians :)

I have a little problem with a wiki page I'm trying to create... The page is about a platform which is very popular in Europe and Arab countries and which generates over 400 million impressions each month.

I have found sources on very popular business news sites and magazines which are independent and reliable about this platform (most of the sources are in French) but I have read that Wikipedia accepts sources from other languages!

I would like to know what I missed or why the page was not accepted ?

While waiting for an answer I would like to share with you some sources (International Business Times , Press France , Yubigeek , Direct Magazine)

The link of the draft page : Uullu

Thanks in advance Zakariabenlafqih (talk) 23:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Zakariabenlafqih::

1. Crunchbase is not an acceptable source (WP:RS/P).
2. [4] is almost certainly an advertorial or a press release. News outfits don't break out role bylines unless it's content they didn't actually create.
3. [5] appears to be an advertorial. At the very least, this doesn't appear to be something any legitimate news organisation would put out based on the Google translation.
4. [6] is too sparse; listicles usually are.
5. [7] appears to be an SEO outlet that allows people to publish their own press releases, and thus lacks any sort of editorial oversight.
6. [8] is routine coverage of a product launch.
7. [9] is a press release

Conclusion: Your sources are all deficient. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

For the first source, see also: WP:IBTIMES. The International Business Times is on a level of reliability so egregious that I would consider using the Daily Mail as a source before using their content. For example, in a recent article of theirs (which I won't link, because it was hastily researched garbage used to generate clicks off of a suicide), they outright stated that Australian speedrunner DarkViperAU was Donkey Kong player Billy Mitchell – something which literal seconds of research would disprove. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 19:41, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore, "very popular" and "400 million impressions" are irrelevant; what we need is notability.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:26, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all the answers. I think I understood, I will look for other sources for this page (even if I found several wiki pages that uses the same source that I shared with you ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakariabenlafqih (talk • contribs) 01:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

What to do when someone is reverting your edits and claims that there is no consensus in the talk page?

I removed an outdated claims/opinions in the Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence article, I removed the "scientific controversy" section but kept the "Technology Review controversy" part. I first opened a new section in the talk page and made many arguments against the "scientific controversy" part in the article, I gave articles and studies that directly and indirectly contradicts the "scientific controversy" section and pointed the fact that most if not all of the claims/opinions in this section have no study that support them. There was only little opposition to my stance with only two editors that didn't kept with the discussion after I commented about what they said. I made it clear that their arguments in support of this "scientific controversy" section are wrong and even after the discussion ended I kept posting more and more recent sources that contradicts the opinions in the section which most of them were made more than a decade ago.

Only after months without anybody to react to my replies to my criticizers or to the new sources I provided that contradicts the claims in the "controversy section" I made the edit and removed the "scientific controversy" section. Suddenly after several months since my edit someone comes and revert my edit and claim that there was no consensus in the talk page. It seems like a personal interpretation of "consensus" since its been months since someone posted any objection to what I said and there was only two short comments for only part of what I said in the section. That user didn't even participated in the discussion so how I can settle this down and make sure that this user won't just decide that "there is no consensus" a second time if I restore my edit?. It doesn't look like there is other choice other than making another edit because this user just revert my edit without even being part of the discussion or saying anything in the talk page. --ThunderheadX (talk) 00:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ThunderheadX. Do not edit war and do not edit against consensus. There are many forms of dispute resolution available to you, and in this case, a formal Request for comment may be the right way to go. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

ThunderheadX, I have now read the talk page discussion and it is obvious that, so far, you have failed to gain consensus for removing that content. Short objections are no less valid than your lengthy arguments. You must gain consensus if you want to remove that material. To better understand consensus, please read WP: CONSENSUS. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328 Did you read the whole discussion and thought about what I said?, I made it clear that the objections to my edit were just wrong and the objections wasn't even on everything I said. In the article about "Consensus" there is a line: "Consensus cannot always be assumed simply because editors stop responding to talk page discussions in which they have already participated" and it implies that at least in some cases the fact that editors stop responding can be a sign of consensus. It was quite clear that nobody had anything to say against what I said, especially after I waited several months. One of the objections was simply a lie and he said that in-vitro research isn't accepted as a reliable source but the Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine) article never said anything like that and he just wrongly interpreted what the article said. There is also another line in the "Consensus" article which says: "Editors who ignore talk page discussions yet continue to edit in or revert disputed material, or who stonewall discussions, may be guilty of disruptive editing and incur sanctions" and it is clear that the Editor who reverted my edit completely ignored the talk page. --ThunderheadX (talk) 11:26, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

A basic

Can I know if anyone could help me if userboxes. I'd like to place some, in Wikitext's form, like this

This user is a member of WikiProject Astronomical objects.

, but it doesn't work... Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 02:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Hypersonic man 11: Welcome to the Teahouse! Do you mean that you want the reader to see {{User ASTRO}} instead of the userbox? If so, you can add <nowiki>...</nowiki> around the template - see how I did it in the source of this section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:55, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, @GoingBatty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 04:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hypersonic man 11. I was going to explain the above, as well as two other things you might have meant, so let me tell you the other two:

1) In addition to nowiki tags, if you want a template to display its wikitext, and provide a link to the template, there are a variety of template link codes that can be added, by prefixing them before the first set of curly braces, followed by a pipe. For example {{tl|User ASTRO}} and {{tlx|User ASTRO}} produce, respectively: {{User ASTRO}} and {{User ASTRO}}. See more at Category:Internal template-link templates.

2) Lastly, if you want a template's underlying code to be placed somewhere, so that when you save, the wikitext itself is called, rather than having it call from the original location, you can substitute the template. Thus {{subst:User ASTRO}} results in the same display of the template, just as if you placed {{User Astro}} but in edit mode, you would now see:

{{userbox
| border-c = #ccccff
| id       = [[Image:Io highest resolution true color.jpg|43px]]
| id-c     = #ccccff
| info     = This user is a member of '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomical objects|WikiProject Astronomical objects]]'''.
| info-c   = #eeeeff
| info-fc  = {{{info-fc|black}}}
| info-s   = {{{info-s|8}}}
}}

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I broke the template:Infobox university

How do i fix it? I can't add alumni! Infinitepeace (talk) 03:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Infinitepeace: Your edits to Nightingale College were fixed by MB. See the documentation at Template:Infobox university for more information on how it should be used. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

you guys are great! thank you so very much. Infinitepeace (talk) 03:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Help with page drafting - Omniscient Neurotechnology

Hey wikipedia experts! My name is Lewis and i have begun the process of creating a wikipedia page for our steadily growing research company, Omniscient Neurotechnolog. I completed an initial draft after declaring my conflict of interest with the page on my member profile (as per wiki guidelines), and submitted it for review knowing that likely some edits would need to be made. The feedback i received was that the page read too much as an advertisement and that additional references would be required to pass the review - so i have begun the process of altering the tone of the article and adding some additional sources for the next submission, however i was hoping i could get some more tailored feedback from some experts in the publishing field. I am quite naive to the process so any further advice would be greatly appreciated :) The draft page can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Omniscient_Neurotechnology#Omniscient_Neurotechnology Thanks so much in advance! Lewis Lewisomniscient (talk) 05:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lewisomniscient. Which independent, reliable sources say that this company is "now actively involved" and "working closely" on a "core focus"? That's just marketing jargon that can be applied to every business venture on the face of the Earth, including the small business I own that does not have a Wikipedia article. We do not want or need that kind of terminology. We want content that neutrally summarizes what reliable sources entirely independent of this venture say about it, when devoting significant coverage to the topic of Omniscient Neurotechnology. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:40, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I removed non-relevant content. What is left rests solely on citations from the company. Unless non-connected reliable source references can be added, this is WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 10:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

How do you Make Wikipedia more fun?

I've started to get really bored recently. What do you do to make Wikipedia more fun? Tyrone Madera (talk) 06:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: It’s an interesting balance between fun and engagement. Most of the people who edit here have a great sense of purpose and that drives them. If you’re not feeling it, you don’t need to edit. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:47, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Tyrone Madera, you could try varying the kind of work you do on Wikipedia, branching out to a different challenge. Check out the WP:Task Center if you want some suggestions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 06:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I change over to food articles for WikiProject Food and Drink sometimes when I get a little bored. Try looking at some projects to join that are of your own interests. I like to take food pics and update article images and then do a little research, add a few reliable sources, check whats there et..--Mark Miller (talk) 08:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Film / TV Poster

How would I upload a film or tv poster without getting copyright, I would like to put it under 'fair use'. The Image for characters like R2-D2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-D2#/media/File:R2-D2_Droid.png) is under 'fair use'. Many posters have this licence, how would I do this? Thanks TheWikiEditor1234 (talk) 08:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@TheWikiEditor1234: In many cases of fair use, I recommend that you use the file upload wizard (requires JavaScript). It can do most of the template stuff for you, provided that you feed it with the correct param values. Make sure that you understand WP:NFCC though. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:36, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

How would I submitt the form, I cannot find a submitt button. Thanks. TheWikiEditor1234 (talk) 09:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi TheWikiEditor1234. Since you mentioned R2-D2 in your post, I took a look at your contributions' history and noticed you created a new article called C-3PO & R2-D2. Please note that there already exists separate articles for R2-D2 and C-3PO, which means there's almost certainly no need for a new article about the two as a "team". For this reason, I've tagged the article for speedy deletion per WP:A10 since it seems that any possible content you could add to such an article would be redundant to either of the two already existing articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@TheWikiEditor1234: (In response to your question above) the submit button shows up eventually while you select options. It has "Upload" as its caption. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

It cannot see the 'Upload' button, it just says to upload to wikicommons, and to be honest I do not understand the copyright types. please could someone help. Thanks. TheWikiEditor1234 (talk) 17:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Education

 Ima Jewels (talk) 09:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Ima Jewels, welcome to teahouse. Here you get the answer of questions. Do you have any? –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 09:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

To revert or not revert...

Hello, thought I would something good, and updated FedCon table of former cons. I copied the missing part over from deWP, now I realize that I should have changed some German phrases, words and links first. If it's okay that I do this later, I'll do it, but It will take some time. If not, feel free to revert. Thank you Maresa63 (talk) 09:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Done! At least the easy part. Maresa63 (talk) 12:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Aging suit

Hi. Will someone create Aging suit for me? I can't create it. The alternative spelling "Ageing suit" already exists. New Sheriff in Town (talk) 09:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi New Sheriff in Town. I've created it as a redirect; I assume that's what you intended.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Help checking copyright issues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Union_for_The_Local_Employees_in_Missions_Accredited_to_Sou... this draft here the links where authorized by the owner I am trying to understand what more needs to be fixed? Can someone give me more information with regards to the Copyright issue since the owner of the organization gave full access to all the content that has been marked as copyright or even if anyone can assist to fix it I would really appreciate it.

The organization is based in south Africa and it deals with gender based violence and unfair labour practices in a diplomatic sector. Africancontrobutor (talk) 10:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Africancontrobutor, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that there is almost nothing to do with a Wikipedia article for which somebody's permission is relevant. In the case of copyright, permission to use something in Wikipedia is not enough: in order to use copyright material, we require that the copyright owner release it under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to reuse or alter the material for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they provide proper attribution (See WP:donating copyright material. But in any case it is extremely rare that copyright text is suitable for an article, because Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

sandbox to publish

hello - new to this - have done sandbox and looking to publish - have seen on youtube a 'publish' button but do not seem to have one in my sandbox - TIA PaulJOCallaghan (talk) 10:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: User:PaulJOCallaghan/sandbox. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

When the article is ready, you can add {{subst:Submit}} at the top. It is nowhere near ready yet: reference 3 is based on an interview, so is a WP:PRIMARY source and reference 4 just is not about the company but about the place where its founders went to university. Your main difficulty will be in showing that the company meets WP:NCORP and if you can't immediately think of three or four reliable sources that are independent of the company and have discussed it in detail (see WP:SECONDARY and WP:SIGCOV) you are wasting your time trying to create an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Puja Bahri

Help on Draft:Puja Bahri

This article has citations from reliable independent secondary sources, but was pushed back from published to Draft with a general tag of notability. Can anyone help me what's more required? Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 10:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

The relevant notability guidelines for her are at WP:NARTIST. As a living person you must also follow all the guidelines at WP:BLP. In particular that means that every factual statement must be confirmed by a reliable source so that it can be verified by anyone reading the article. At present, none of the facts in the "Life" section has any reference that can be used for verification. It is the notability hurdle which is most difficult to fulfil and which leads to many many articles being ultimately abandoned. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

i want to make wikipedia page of businessman

can u please help me how can i make page of person in wikipedia Hardyisback11188 (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hardyisback11188, please have a closer look at WP:TUTORIAL and WP:YFA. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hardyisback11188, for an person to merit their own article on Wikipedia, they should meet WP:BIO and there should be multiple sources about the subject to verify the information. These sources may be books, newspapers, journals, etc. I think you are going to create your first article on Wikipedia. But before you go you should have the knowledge of citing sources. WP:IC, WP:REFB, WP:CITE and WP:YFA tells us how to cite the sources. Further, you may also like to read WP:MOS. –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 13:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Hardyisback11188, hello and welcome. Now, coupled with what has been said to you by both editors above, if the businessman is yourself, your friend, colleague, or generally, someone you are close to, you are strongly advised not to write articles about them because it would constitute a serious conflict of interest. Celestina007 (talk) 18:26, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category message received - not sure what to do

I am a newbie trying to learn the basics of editing. I received the message below earlier on. I'm not sure to how undo this error, or to avoid it in the future. Please advise.

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:The dog said he wanted to have some fun, he wanted to run in the field

A tag has been placed on Category:The dog said he wanted to have some fun, he wanted to run in the field., requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. SueSmith-MSc (talk) 13:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, SueSmith-MSc. You appear to have added a Category tag on your Talk page in this edit [10] Categories trigger all sort of bots and basically you should avoid adding them anywhere on Talk Pages, Draft articles or in your Sandbox. No real harm done, just don't add any more. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@SueSmith-MSc: The above is not the problem. In [11] you clicked "(+)" after "Categories:" at the bottom of the page and entered "The dog said he wanted to have some fun, he wanted to run in the field." This created a link to a non-existing page called Category:The dog said he wanted to have some fun, he wanted to run in the field. Then you clicked the link and created the page. That was the problem but not a serious problem. The page has been deleted. See Help:Category for how categories work. Don't create test categories. The "(+)" link appears because you enabled "HotCat: easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. If you don't want to work with categories then you can disable it. It's still possible to add categories without it but it takes a little more work. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Added Lego Ninjago season 15: Seabound

I am an experienced editor of Wikipedia because I have edited many pages in different accounts. I just received a message from someone who kept saying I am using unconstructive material in Lego Ninjago. I have checked Wikifandom multiple times and it is confirmed there will be a season 15 called Seabound in the TV series. It is based off Nya the water ninja and the water amulet that is resting on Wojira's head

Wikifandom is not a reliable source. CanadianOtaku ^{Talk Page} 17:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, why are you using multiple accounts KittyJanet114 (this one only from a few days ago) and not signing your contributions on Talk Pages with four tildes, so we know who we are talking to? Doesn't appear like the actions of an "experienced editor" to me. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

KittyJanet114, may I ask you which other account are you using here?! I do not see much contributions under this account. CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Account has been blocked as a sockpuppet (and also after insulting me). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Colored interface in Source Editor

I've been around for well over a year, but I've swallowed my pride to ask—in the Source Editor, I used to see color coded font (e.g. green for references, purple for templates). Suddenly, it's all uncolored plaintext, and I have no idea why. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to toggle that feature back on, any help would be appreciated. WhinyTheYounger (WtY)(talk, contribs) 17:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

No problem! It is the icon that looks like a pencil just to the left of the word "Advanced" at the top of the interface you get when using the source editor. As you imply, it's incredibly useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply—I kind of suspected, but when I've pressed that, there's no change. Is this a known issue/a question better asked on a discussion page for the source editor? WhinyTheYounger (WtY)(talk, contribs) 17:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Try toggling the icon (i.e. pressing it repeatedly: this should switch on and off the syntax highlighter). It is working fine for me. There is a help desk for technical issues, as that suggestions is the total of my knowledge :-( Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

No German article on human genome? This sounds so unlikely, I suspect there may be an argument of some sort behind it

Hello, I just checked for an article on the human genome. Sure enough, an article exists in English, as well as a host of other languages.

One glaring exception is German. Particularly in light of the fact that German is the fourth-most prevalent language on Wikipedia, I find that almost hard to believe. Is there any discussion going on somewhere which has gotten in the way of such an article appearing in German? How could I find out? Awiseassbyanyothername (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

They have a genetics article at de:Genetik. I don't speak German but I assume that the Human Genome will be discussed or linked from there. Or you could ask at the German helpdesk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

More links to deWP:

de:Humangenomprojekt and de:Genom --Maresa63 (talk) 12:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Are "Notices" permitted on articles?

The main source for all information regarding General Sir Charles Asgill, 2nd Baronet is from the book "General Washington's Dilemma" by Katherine Mayo - but the London and New York publications differ, in that only the London edition has an Appendix 2. There is crucial information in that Appendix. Would I be permitted to do the following? Are "Notices" permitted as sections? i.e. == Notice == followed by:- It should be noted that the New York: Harcourt, Brace and Company 1938 edition of General Washington’s Dilemma by Katherine Mayo, does not have an Appendix 2. For anyone wishing to access this appendix, which has a first-hand account of the drawing of lots, it would be necessary to access the London, Jonathan Cape, Thirty Bedford Square, 1938 edition. Here will be found Lieutenant and Captain Henry Greville’s {2nd Foot Guards) letter to his mother, dated 29 May 1782, in which he writes: ... etc. etc. I'm a bit worried that I am told not to sign this message, but my account here is Arbil44 and I choose to be known as Anne. Anne (talk) 18:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Arbil44 Not on the article page itself, you can post the note to the article's Talk page, and sign it. In the article you should just make sure the "correct" edition is properly referenced. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately the "correct" edition is not the edition available online, and it would be detrimental to have no online source. Since the contents of the Appendix are crucial to the entire Asgill Affair, would a short new Article be permitted, which could then be linked to both the Charles Asgill page and also the Asgill Affair page? I'm sorry, but the letter is central to what happened and very few people would be able to access it. It is the only eye-witness account to surface in the past 2.5 centuries. Anne (talk) 18:46, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Sources needn't be available online. --CiaPan (talk) 18:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I know, but it is extremely useful, in this instance, for sources to be easily checked out by clicking on the reference. All I am asking is could I create a short article about the mainly missing Appendix? Anne (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Arbil44. The only way you could create an article of any length about the appendix would be if reliable, independent sources devote significant coverage to this specific appendix. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message. Would this constitute a short article. Unfortunately the best source was published in 1970 and so there would be the additional problem of copyright which would prevent me publishing the entire letter which is spelt out over six pages of the book. Would this do as a short article?

== Appendix 2 of "General Washington's Dilemma" by Katherine Mayo == followed by:- It should be noted that the New York: Harcourt, Brace and Company 1938 edition of General Washington’s Dilemma by Katherine Mayo, does not have an Appendix 2. For anyone wishing to access this appendix, which has a first-hand account of the drawing of lots, it would be necessary to access the London, Jonathan Cape, Thirty Bedford Square, 1938 edition. Here will be found Lieutenant and Captain Henry Greville’s {2nd Foot Guards) letter to his mother, dated 29 May 1782, in which he writes:

I can assure you my mind was in a very uneasy state for above half an hour while they were calling out the Lots, during which time we sat in a Circle, where there was almost a dead silence observed...

Mayo's book was republished in 1970 by Kennikat Press and Annex 2 devotes 5 pages to the entire letter, along with a short letter from Asgill to Greville, which follows on. Anne (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

← The references section in that article is something to behold! I could see several citations for different pages of "Mayo (1938) ... New York: Harcourt Brace" but none only one for "London: Jonathan Cape" (currently ref # 43, citing page 223). That one's mismatched, it should have the link to the HathiTrust digitisation of the Harcourt edition removed, or its publisher should be changed from Cape to Harcourt. Which edition does page 223 refer to? Or is the pagination the same up to that point? (Side question: the URLs are deep-linking to the actual pages, why not hyperlink from the page numbers instead of the book title?) Anyway, Anne, if you’re adding a statement sourced to the Cape or Kennikat editions, just cite those without a link, but maybe include chapter=Annex 2 in addition to pages=. You could then add some text after the {cite book} template along the lines of "Note: Annex 2 is present in this edition but not in the Harcourt Brace edition," so that the reader understands there's a particular reason one footnote cites that specific edition in contrast to the citations, and doesn’t waste their time looking in the online book. If you’re not actually using the Annex to support a statement, then perhaps leave a note on the talk page as Roger suggested. (It’s uncommon for Wikipedia articles to have in-depth bibliographies, and that one already has a massive "further reading" section.) Cheers, Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:59 Sun 14, AEDT) 10:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for bringing the discrepancy to light - I will see that it is fixed. As to the rest, I am told I cannot do as planned and so am going down a different route, but I much appreciate your comments. I would add that I am paranoid about references, ever since vast swathes of the article were removed, with no notice or consultation. I err very much on the safe side now. As for Further Reading, all of them have something to say about Asgill! Since I am no longer going down the "Notice" route I am no longer watching this page. Anne (talk) 11:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

References

Perchè sono stato rifiutato ?

Carissimi scusate se scrivo in italiano: Vorrei sapere come mai la mia pagina Salvatore Ruocco è stata rifiutata? mi date una mano ? vi ringrazio anticipatamente Salvatoreariel (talk) 21:23, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Salvatoreariel. The draft Draft:Salvatore Ruocco was declined because it has no references to establish that Ruocco meets the criteria for notability. Even if it had the two references from it:Salvatore Ruocco, they would not help it establish notability, as the first does not appear to be independent, and the second doesn't even mention Ruocco; but it has no references at all. Whatever may be the rules in it-wiki, English Wikipedia does not accept articles unless they contain sufficient independent reliably published sources to establish notability. --ColinFine (talk) 21:40, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitted with addition of one ref. However, at English Wikipedia, IMBd does not count as a reliable source reference. Unless reliable source references are submitted, this will be Declined again. References can be in Italian, although preferred if can find some in English. David notMD (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! ColinFine David notMD

Thanks for answering me! How can I do? I have all the requisites to be on wikipedia, but I don't know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salvatoreariel (talk • contribs) 19:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

New Page Creation

I would like to make a page for Gru (Despicable Me), he is the protagonist and he does not have a page. Please could I start making one (is it notable for Wikipedia page creation). If not, please could you let me know what pages need to be created and I will look into them, as I would like to become a better wikipedian. Thanks. TheWikiEditor1234 (talk) 21:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TheWikiEditor1234. It's great that you want to improve yourself as a Wikipedian, and improve Wikipedia. If you want to write about Gru, it's up to you to demonstrate notability by finding suitable independent reliable sources that have significant coverage of Gru: that is in any case the first step of creating any article, because if you can't find such sources then you know not to waste any more time on a non-notable subject. If you're looking for articles to create, there's a huge list at requested articles: choose an area that interests you and pick a subject in that area. --ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your help ColinFine. TheWikiEditor1234 (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Despicable Me has a character section with content about Gru. Rather than a separate article consider adding to that. New editors gain useful experience editing existing articles before essaying a new article. David notMD (talk) 21:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

information on its copyright and licensing status

Hi, i would like some information on some pics i have uploaded. thanks Goldstriker (talk) 22:22, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

 Goldstriker (talk) 22:27, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Goldstriker, and welcome to the Teahouse. You appear to be confused. You have uploaded File:Farnborough Airshow 2018 - Request Permission Rich Cooper Photography.jpg and File:Richard Browning - GWR Brighton - Photo Credit GWR.jpg both to Commons, claiming them as your own work, and purporting to license them under WP:CC-BY-SA 4.0; and File:Farnborough Air Show 1 - Request Permission Rich Cooper Photography.jpg ‎ direct to Wikipedia, without giving a copyright statemement. Given that you have titled these (most unorthodoxly) with mentions of "Request Permission" and "Photo Credit", it seems highly unlikely that they are in fact your own work, or that you have the legal right to license them or to upload them.

All material uploaded to Commons must be free for reuse; which means that unless for some reason it is in the public domain, the copyright owner must either upload it themselves, or they must follow the procedure in donating copyright materials: nobody can do the latter for them. In doing so they will have licnesed the materials in such a way that anybody may reuse or alter the materials for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they attribute them.

There is an exception for certain images, that provided their use meets all the criteria in the non-free content criteria, they may be uploaded to Wikipedia itself. Among those criteria are that they may be used only in articles, not in drafts; and they must be used in at least one article.

So, unless you are able to get the copyright holder (Rich Cooper?) to donate the images, they should not be in Commons at all; and as for using them as non-free, once your draft has been accepted as an article, it is possible that one of those images might be uploaded to Wikipedia and used in the article, provided you establish that the use meets all the criteria.

Your draft, by the way, has no chance of being accepted in its current form, as it is highly promotional. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. It also contains many external links, which are not generally allowed in the body of an article. It suggest you read your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hugo Weaving

I'm just interested in an entry for actor Hugo Weaving. He has lived and worked and brought up children in Australia his whole life, and is Australian to the bootstraps. Yet being born to English parents in 'colonial' Kenya qualifies him as English? When does someone become identified as belonging to the only country he knows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Weaving 49.3.40.164 (talk) 00:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The best place to discuss this is Talk:Hugo Weaving, where these issues have been commented on over the years. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

IPv6 question

Is an ipv6 tunnel broker considered a proxy? CanadianOtaku ^{Talk Page} 00:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC) CanadianOtaku ^{Talk Page} 00:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

That seems to be a very technical question! You may get someone knowledgeable to reply at WP:Village_pump_(technical). Sorry I can't help, CanadianOtaku Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is far too powerful

Wikipedia is no longer just describing the facts of what happens, it is now creating its own narratives. It has been used as a weapon in political battles and can no longer be relied on to provide just the truth. Wikipedia is supposed to be a tertiary source that simply allows anyone to access information, but instead it has become an ideological outlet in its own right, along with CNN, FOX, The Economist, The New York Post, etc. 172.58.19.3 (talk) 00:57, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a question or suggestion? GoingBatty (talk) 01:22, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@172.58.19.3: The Wikipedia rules stop this from happening, though. CanadianOtaku ^{Talk Page} 01:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@172.58.19.3: Hi, anonymous contributor. Like CanadianOtaku noted, Wikipedia's rules expressly outline that articles must be written from a neutral point of view, a standard which editors are expected to strive toward. However, with 6.27 million articles on the English Wikipedia alone, things slip through the cracks. Would you mind linking to specific examples you've found of excerpts, sections, or articles that violate this guideline so I or other experienced editors here can take a look and try to resolve the issue as soon as possible? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

approve article google

Can someone approve Draft:Steven Bartlett and make it searchabel through google 110.138.91.198 (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft has not been submitted to Articles for Creation. David notMD (talk) 01:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! To submit the draft, simply add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

hello sir I have do what you tell can you index in google now. --110.138.91.198 (talk) 01:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Read text in yellow box. Getting a review can happen in days, weeks, or (sadly) months. It is not a queue. Volunteers here at Teahouse are not reviewers. If approved, the article will be able to be found via a search within Wikipedia, but it will remain invisible to a Google search until either cleared by the New Pages Patrol or 90 days go by. (which ever is first). David notMD (talk) 02:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

for any admin seeing this please unsalt the article 110.138.91.198 (talk) 04:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if a prior (Jan 2018) deletion means that the topic was 'salted'. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

How do I cite an Act of Congress?

Specifically, I'm trying to cite the Silver Purchase Act of 1934. Here's a link to the .pdf scan from the Library of Congress: https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/73rd-congress/session-2/c73s2ch674.pdf Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try using Template:Cite act. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, Is there anything more specific for Congress? Cite act doesn't seem to be very geared toward the level of specificity that Acts of Congress have. For example, in this case, this act is filed under United States Statutes at Large, Vol. 48, under the 73rd Congress (1933-1934), under session 2, Chapter 674, pages 1178–1181, published on June 19, 1934. Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: In the Colorado article, reference #12 uses {{cite web}} for an Act of Congress. GoingBatty (talk) 01:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, does reference #5 in the Free silver article look good? Tyrone Madera (talk) 05:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: Not quite - you're not supposed to use |others= without using |author= or |editor= - see Category:CS1 maint: others. GoingBatty (talk) 05:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, should I put the 73rd United States Congress in the author last category then? Tyrone Madera (talk) 05:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, also, should I use the short title or the long title for the act? Tyrone Madera (talk) 18:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Please help

How do I add WP:COI in {{template:Multiple issues}} Infinitepeace (talk) 01:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Infinitepeace: See the example at Template:Multiple issues#Example for an article. Just add {{COI}} instead of one of those templates. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Change of username

I would like to change my user name as : 'Abhivadya'. How can I change it? Please help. ProudMallu (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. Kleinpecan (talk) 03:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

hello so i want to make article about this person and he is knowns person and verified please help me

https://theceo.in/business-express/?for=N&Value=Q%2fdoysJY3QQLdhcjlW7F1ghhslmjZSQNNghqRdzoDjFaXghoWdfLx7vjmAI%3d

https://timestech.in/tech-insiders/?for=N&Value=P%2F%2FwSrnvvhdT9xagujlrOQgmU0dSbWkadQi%2Bj1Ulj%2FHzVQgEqaV%2BWi3A4AI%3D

https://news.webindia123.com/news/press_showdetails.asp?id=53037&cat=Press

https://investmentguruindia.com/businesswire.php?for=N&Value=yyGak4%2be282y3yi29taOdwj4N9PBjq4nughsVRriYa9IlwiFKz9sLrG1SgE%3d

https://www.newdelhitimes.com/business-wire-india/?for=N&Value=1gQ10wv7jc%2fI%2fTryDoUGsAiDZdGSudVmZAiH7xlM%2bSr%2fdAjz%2fRLsIVs1SAI%3d

https://article.wn.com/view/2020/08/24/Harisharaan_Devgan_Pushing_Limits_Towards_Sustainable_Develo/ Hardyisback11188 (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Hardyisback11188. Please see WP:PRSOURCE for why not one of the sources you listed (ignoring the fact that they're all 100% identical) contributes to the notability of this subject. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:COI in {{template:Multiple issues}} = please help

How do I add WP:COI in {{template:Multiple issues}} on Nightingale College? There are edit warriors there that will delete information but won't add anything. {{COI}} does not work. Infinitepeace (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Infinitepeace: I added {{COI}} in this edit. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, the requesting user has been blocked. Your edit had been further reverted by another if you not have already noticed. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Mis-Formatted Infobox Messes Up Wikilink

The opening paragraph for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawaja_Muhammad_Islam has the sentence "He is affiliated with Pakistan Muslim League (N)," linked to an article on "Pakistan Muslim League (N)" -- but when you mouseover that link, it shows up as nonsense from the destination page's infobox. I thought there might be a missing bracket, but the infobox shows up fine. What is the cause? UClaudius (talk) 05:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

UClaudius, seem to be an issue on your side, here it works pretty well. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@UClaudius and CommanderWaterford: We have two popup features. "Enable page previews" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering shows infobox code for Pakistan Muslim League (N). I don't know why. "Navigation popups" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets works well here and shows lead text. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Image issues?

Not entirely sure, but is there an image issue currently going on?... Very weird and I'm not sure why it's doing it or how to fix it- but this is what is currently appearing in the infobox for 2020 Kids' Choice Awards on my computer. Notice the issues all around the edges of the image. However, when I click on the image, itself, the image shows up correctly on the media preview page. It also appears fine on my laptop. I've tried clearing my cached images and files in Google Chrome, but that seems to not do anything in regards to this problem. Really quite confused by this- I don't think it's happened before, and the issue doesn't really seem to be affecting any other images/articles as well. Magitroopa (talk) 07:08, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Magitroopa. It looks fine to me in 2020 Kids' Choice Awards with Google Chrome 89.0.4389.90 on Windows 10. If you right-click the image and select "Open Image In New Tab" (not "Open Link In New Tab") then which url do you get and does it look right or wrong there? I get https:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/KCA2020_Logo.png/220px-KCA2020_Logo.png and it looks right. If you get another url then does my url look right or wrong? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: The 'open image in new tab' option on my computer gives me https:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/KCA2020_Logo.png/220px-KCA2020_Logo.png and it gives me https:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/d/d1/KCA2020_Logo.png on my laptop- the first link appears incorrectly, second link is fine. Both my computer and laptop are on that same version of Chrome, and both are Windows 10. Magitroopa (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: They both look fine to me in Chrome. I don't know what goes wrong for you. https:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/d/d1/KCA2020_Logo.png is the original upload. https:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/KCA2020_Logo.png/220px-KCA2020_Logo.png is scaled to 220px width by a Wikimedia server. How are https:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/KCA2020_Logo.png/219px-KCA2020_Logo.png and https:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/KCA2020_Logo.png/221px-KCA2020_Logo.png? They both look fine to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit struck off

Why my edit(with several other edits) are struck off and grey in revision history of Udupi Ramachandra Rao ? Parnaval (talk) 07:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Parnaval The edits in question were hidden because they violated copyright. 331dot (talk) 07:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

The images needed

Good morning, I am writting article about W.J.Neatby, an Eglish artist. I have good sources but I have trouble finding images for some of his work. Since we are talking about art, image is necessary to complement the text. Wikimedia has few images of his work. Don't know is it possible to upload images from http://www.victorianweb.org/, they say it is free for education as long as they are credited. Can someone please help me out? Brtbng (talk) 08:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Brtbng and welcome to the Teahouse. I took a look at your draft (good work in progress!) and at the licensing page of the website you mentioned. Unfortunately, we can only accept images that have been released under a Creative Commons licence which permits commercial re-use. It seems clear that their licence does not go that far, and that it's free only for non-commercial use.

I have a couple of thoughts for you: Is Neatby so long deceased that his work is out of copyright, and thus a straightforward photo of his artwork would not inherently be the copyright of the photographer, but it would be if it were a photo of his artwork integrated into a building surface. If so, my informal/unofficial understanding is that this would be permitted, providing the relevant information and source were included in the image upload. But I have sometimes found that simply approaching someone who has published an image, and explaining why you'd like to use that one particular image on Wikipedia, and asking them to change the license for that particular image can have great effect. Alternatively, invite them to upload a sufficiently low resolution version of their image to Wikimedia Commons themselves, such that it's free for use here and elsewhere, but not so good that anyone would ever be able to re-publish and make money out of it. I often see museums reluctant to mobilise images they hold, without appreciating that releasing low res version for monitor display isn't the same as giving away a high res tiff image with lots of publication potential. Thankfully, more and more arts organisations are seeing the benefit of making their images available to a wider audience - so you might have some luck.

It's also appropriate to point out that we are keen to avoid seeing articles stuffed full of random photos by an artist. Choose only those that complement the text and encyclopaedic content in their own right. Rather than add in a 'GALLEERY all other images can stay on Wikimedia Commons and be linked to from that article (making sure all the images on Commons are suitably categorized so they can be retrieved via that one Commons link). Also, I noticed in your draft that you wrote: ""With a lot of experience behind him, Neatby decided it was time to move on. In 1890 he went to London to work for Royal Doulton," It would be better to write in more neutral and simple manner that "In 1890, Neatby moved to London to work for Royal Doulton. It's implicit that he would only have gone there had he been sufficiently experienced to be employed by them. Unless you have a source that actually proves he went through that precise thought process, your statement comes across as original research, which we always try to avoid letting slip in, even accidentally. Hoping this helps, and good luck with your draft. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:19, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for timely and elaborate response, kind regards. Brtbng (talk) 13:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

request an inclusion of a page on the topic of Artists without Borders

Hi, I have ended up here (in desperation) after trying to follow wikipedia's instructions on the main page about how to request a new topic for inclusion. As it was not clear how to do this (from the instructions there),I have wasted a few minutes just going around in circles from one page to another, getting nowhere. (Until now?)

So, my question is a simple one - can wikipedia please include a page on the very important topic of Artists without Borders? Artists Without Borders is a very important international initiative which makes it possible for artists from developing countries to live above their local poverty line, and that has to be to everyone's benefit I would think.

thankyou for all the work that you do, and no at this stage i don't have time to create the page myself as I am a working artist on a low income just trying to keep my head above water, and that takes all my energy!

Lastly, a heartfelt plea to Wikipedia administrators: please can you make it MUCH easier and simpler for wiki users to ask simple questions like this one, instead of making it progressively harder as time goes on! since I started interacting with wikipedia twelve years ago (when I was briefly an editor for a few months), I have noticed a growing tendency to overcomplicate everything here and make it more user UNfriendly.) Not a good trend for the long term health of a wonderful and much-loved resource! (If its too hard/annoying/frustrating then ordinary folk with busy lives will just give up and instead of contacting you to improve the site, will opt do something (anything!) that's likely to be more productive). 114.30.109.203 (talk) 08:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, you can request an article at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Kleinpecan (talk) 09:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I'd like to clarify that your question "can Wikipedia please include a page on the very important topic of Artists without Borders?" actually translates as "How can I motivate a volunteer editor (or a group of them) to put in the considerable time and effort required to write an encyclopaedia article about AwB?" Kleinpecan has suggested one place to ask, but in honesty, the take-up is very low there. You might have more luck askingat WP:WikiProject Visual arts. But whichever way, you are the one wanting the article, it is unlikely that anybody will write it unless you inspire them to. That's how a volunteer project works. --ColinFine (talk) 13:19, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Grammar Standards

Is there a specific grammar style guide that Wikipedia uses? If there’s anything you can point me to regarding policy on that it would be appreciated. I assume that for the first question the answer is along the lines of “no, it’s just a matter of being consistent within pages,” and that any policy that does exist would be mostly about not changing a page’s grammatical style just to fit what you prefer, but I’d like to have that assumption confirmed or disproven. Aninterestingidea (talk) 09:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

You are right. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Retaining existing styles. Kleinpecan (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Article Drafting

Okay so, I wish to start an Article Draft about a piece of software, however, when I put in the software into the Article Wizard, I get brought to a draft regarding the same software, however, made by someone else.

The article draft has been declined for publishing numerous times because of the author(s') tone. The last edit to the draft was in December, and I want to have a go at remaking the draft properly. I'm just concerned that if I delete the draft, I'm breaking some form of rule I don't know about. How should I go about this?

Thanks for reading Cekrid (talk) 10:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Cekrid: without knowing the exact name of the draft this is hard to answer, but improvements to drafts are always welcome. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Doing a major makeover on someone else's draft can feel like trespassing. Consider going to the creating editor's talk page and ask permission to attempt what you want to do. While no one "owns" a topic, this approach might prevent you being in an edit war over the draft. Secondly, if the draft has been declined more than once, look closely at the reviewers' comments. It could be that they felt there was a crucial absence of reliable source references. No amount of revision can succeed unless the requirement for references can be met. P.S. Technically, you can blank the draft, but that would not be the same as deleting the draft (which requires an Administrator's action). Even if you blank and start over, the prior reviewer Declined messages must remain at the top of the draft. David notMD (talk) 12:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with David notMD's reply, Cekrid, but I think your approach might be more successful if you couch it not as "May I edit your draft?" but "Can I work with you to get this draft accepted?" It will depend on the circumstances, though. --ColinFine (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Why do non-English speakers edit English Wikipedia?

Reading Wikipedia articles, it is often glaringly obvious that they have been edited by people for whom English is not a first language, nor perhaps even a second. An example: some text that I removed the other day.

That is a fairly extreme example, but less extreme examples are absolutely rife. I would say that the majority of articles I read contain at least one error characteristic of speakers of a foreign language. Editors of English Wikipedia must be in large part native speakers of other languages. So I am curious as to why anyone would edit a Wikipedia in a language they are not fluent in? I speak languages other than English, but simply would not dream of adding any substantive text on the relevant Wikipedias. Toleco (talk) 10:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

English Wikipedia incidentally is the largest Wikipedia, so the potential circulation/exposure is a big one. Shushugah (talk) 10:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Toleco: I understand where you are coming from, but, if I wanted to find out about a place, village or region in another part of the world where English is not the main language, I would be grateful that my prime source of information (English Wikipedia) actually had an article about that place. I would be unlikely to go to another language Wikipedia. If we stopped anyone for whom English was not their first native tongue, then we would be a lot poorer for it, and would not have so much content in those article. And how would we test everyone's language abilities before allowing them to edit? We must therefore rely on editors like yourself to help remove any content that simply makes no sense, just as we rely on other editors to remove other poor edits here. I agree that the diff you linked to above was extremely hard to understand, was unsourced, and so was ripe for reversion. But if I find well-sourced content that was just a little hard to make sense of, then I would prefer for the content to remain there until such time as I or another editor felt able to improve it. As was stated above, English Wikipedia is by far the largest and most accessed language version, so it is natural for anyone thinking they speak good enough English to want to add content to it.

It is often only another person who can sense that someone's language skills are not yet up to it, or that they have used Google Translate without actually being able to assess how well or poorly it reads. In the instance you cite, the content was added by Argentinian editor, GDuwen back in 2007 with this diff, possibly translated from the equivalent Spanish article. They are still active today, and appear nowadays to have very good English skills indeed, so now my PING will have alerted them to the removal of that old content, and they might even be motivated to rewrite it and add an up-to-date source. I would also add that there are a lot of people in this world for whom English is their first language, and yet do not have the abilities to write coherent sentences in their mother tongue. I for one welcome editors attempting to add content in a secondary language (providing it does make some sense!), and am ashamed at my own lack of skills to write in other languages. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:25, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Toleco:I wonder why is that even a question! I don't really understand either why was the content removed. I can see that it was a poorly-written entry that happened to be fourteen years old, but that is why we have tags to request an expansion or citations! (not to mention the possibility of letting me know on my talk page). I may also say that I've never understood why people bother bombing articles with a thousand tags instead of trying to fix them a little bit (maybe the simple explanation is that destroying is easier than building something up).

As Nick Moyes pointed out, it is preferable to have entries about villages and towns that non-native speakers contribute to rather than having nothing at all. The articles can benefit from a quick copy-edit from a native speaker to at least make them readable. Let's rather encourage people to contribute to this amazing project and not turn them away arbitrarily. In my particular case, I was doing my first attempts at editing. Starts are sloppy, but you have to start somewhere! (talking here fourteen years and 38 Good Articles later, without mentioning others I did not consider there was sufficient enough information to promote).

In short, it is more useful to improve the existing material, and to work in cooperation rather than to go into this kind of useless rants.--GDuwenHoller! 14:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hear, hear! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – There was a related thread recently, started by 37.152.231.40 on 16 January 2021, now archived at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1091#Editors who do not speak English. --CiaPan (talk) 15:19, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with non-native speakers adding material to the English Wikipedia. They are valuable sources of material that might easily be overlooked by native speakers. However, I have encountered non-native speakers who seem unable to understand that the way they have phrased something is confusing or even contrary to what they are trying to say. Some have gotten into edit wars to preserve their poorly written material, even insisting that obvious grammatical errors are correct. In those cases, those particular editors are problematic. Several have wound up being blocked (often on grounds of competence). --Khajidha (talk) 15:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Some comments:

English Wikipedia is by far the largest and most accessed language version, so it is natural for anyone thinking they speak good enough English to want to add content to it - truly, I do not understand this point at all. If the Wikipedia in someone's native language is smaller than English Wikipedia, why would that make them want to add poor-quality text to English Wikipedia, instead of improving the encyclopaedia of their native language, for their own benefit?

We must therefore rely on editors like yourself to help remove any content that simply makes no sense, just as we rely on other editors to remove other poor edits here. - that's the wider problem. You can't rely on that. The text that I removed as simply incomprehensible had barely been touched in over 13 years.

I don't see a problem with non-native speakers adding material to the English Wikipedia. - nor do I if they speak fluent English. And I still have no idea why people who must know that their English is nowhere near fluent edit here anyway. I simply would not dream doing this. Toleco (talk) 17:01, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Many people want their work to be seen and more people see the English Wikipedia. It's just human nature. Articles are also more likely to be translated from English than from other languages. An article about a German city may get more views in the German Wikipedia but in general, there are more readers in English. Reaching a bigger audience is probably the main motivator. Others may include training your English or liking being part of something big or very international. There are also editors who work on the same subject in both English and their native language. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism on Renee Harris Producer page and Dorothy Gibson page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renee_Harris_(producer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjsfca (talk • contribs) 10:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

An editor with the IP address of 174.16.152.249 is deleting important information from Renee Harris' page. I have restored the information, but this editor stalks and harasses other editors and will most likely delete it again. I believe he is the same person who vandalized the page earlier this month and has been banned (that editor's name was RMSTitanicInc.). It appears to be the same person under an new IP address. This editor, 174.16.152.249, also needs to be banned indefinitely.

I would mention this on Renee Harris' talk page, but I don't know how to get a talk started.

Thank you, Gjsfca Gjsfca (talk) 10:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Gjsfca, I see that you have been adding information about yourself and a book you have written to Renee Harris (producer). You need to declare your conflict of interest on your user page, and to discuss your proposed addition at Talk:Renee Harris (producer) (start by clicking the "New section" tab at the top). While you continue to promote your book in that article yourself, others will continue to remove what you write there. Maproom (talk) 11:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Gjsfca, welcome to teahouse. These type of situations should be reported to WP:AIV. –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 11:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

No, @Kammill:, this should not be reported to the vandalism noticeboard, since the IP editor did not vandalise. --bonadea contributions talk 11:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Company article

I'm trying submit an article about the company but it's keep getting rejected. Can anyone help on this? Zara Emtech (talk) 11:18, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Zara Emtech, and welcome to the Teahouse. The messages left for you on your talk page indicate that your creation of Draft:Emtech Computer Co LLC was regarded as WP:SPAM and that you seem to be trying to use Wikipedia for WP:PROMOTION. We don't allow that. Only where companies have received substantial media coverage in independent sources (not linked to the usual insider trade magazines and press releases) will their businesses meet our Organisational Notability Criteria. Anything else will be removed. Anyone attempting to write about their company must also declare their connection, per this obligatory policy. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Zara Emtech. In addition to what Nick Moyes has said, please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 13:24, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

User is now blocked. StarM 13:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Wuling Almaz RS (Baojun 530)

Please someone edits the Baojun 530 and section "Wuling Almaz" because there's an RS variant, Wuling Interconnected Smart Ecosystem (WISE) and Advanced driver-assistance systems. Lkas123 (talk) 13:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Please go to the talk page of the article, and on the talk page say what should be changed and how it should be changed, and cite the reliable, independent, published source(s) for this revision that you propose. -- Hoary (talk) 13:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Question about editing a Wikipedia page

Question is referencing this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicks_n%27_More As a recent new owner of an existing business with a Wikipedia page, I would like to update the information on the company's Wikipedia page. I am the brand owner and company owner. Can I update the information. If so, where can I find information on how to update the Wikipedia page? Thanks, Tammy 24.213.105.8 (talk) 18:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse - you definitely should read WP:PSCOI before editing this article. CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Request to remove "Multilingual Wikisource" link from Main page template

Hello. On the Main page, there is a template ("In other projects") used on the left column of the page that contains links to other projects. I noticed that this template points to the Wikisource project twice. There is "Wikisource" (which points to https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page) and "Multilingual Wikisource" (which points to https://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page). Seeing as the other project links point to their respective English pages, I would like to request the "Multilingual Wikisource" link be removed, as to improve consistency. Please let me know where this can be properly discussed and how this modification can be done. Thank you for your help! Somerandomuser (talk) 18:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Somerandomuser. I think Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wiktionary are the only projects with a multilingual front page, and Wiktionary is never linked under "In other projects". The links are not decided at Wikipedia but come from Wikimedia main page (Q5296) at Wikidata. Multilingual Wikisource was added by Liuxinyu970226 in [12]. I don't know whether it's supposed to be there. https://www.wikipedia.org is not listed. You can post to wikidata:Talk:Q5296, or maybe Liuxinyu970226 will post here. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

There is a Turkish Wikipedia (Vikipedi) article about me with all credible references . Can we completely transfer this and open a new English Wikipedia article about me using the same information (of course by translating it into English)? Regards Cenk Taskan 96.20.210.103 (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)