Talk:Badagas

Information is half baked and braised!

This is harming the badaga community!

The migration is emphasised with a wrong notion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilgiriking (talk • contribs) 00:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Article size reduced

Much of the informative contents of the article was removed, of course, on the pretext as unsourced. Obviously, unsourced contents can be removed in wikipedia, but now the artaicle has become one line stub! The removed matter was encyclopedic and the same could have been sourced instead of removal. Hope somebody (or myself) will add sources and reload the removed contents. Rayabhari (talk) 12:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 April 2020

change "Hetha" to "Mahadevi Sathiyakaathi Hethae"

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I am unable to find the word "Hethae" in the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 May 2020

The author should understand that the lingayath community is only a part of the Badagas .

As Paul Hauckin says , not all Badagas are migrants. There are different castes in Badagas they are lingayath, Brahmins, Adikaris,Baduga and Thoriyas.

The author has written the essay with half baked knowledge and research! This is definitely spreading wrong message amongst young crowd.

Kindly make the changes or bring down the protection level of the page. Nilgiriking (talk) 00:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

  Nilgiriking (talk) 00:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 11:11, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

History

Change”They were believed during the time of the Britishers to have descended from Lingayat refugees who settled in the Nilgiris in the early 12th century.[1]

They claim to come from seven siblings living in the Talamalai Hills. After they fled from a Muslim ruler who tried to rape their sister, they settled in different parts of the Nilgiris. The second brother, Hethappa, was working outside when two Todas raped his wife and took his goods. He sought the aid of two Bayaluru, who agreed to help him if they married his two daughters. They killed the Todas and the inhabitants of the village at the time claimed descent from the Bayalurus and Badaga daughters.[1]” To

“Badagas belong to paleolithic period. Neolithic cultures like Dolmens, Cromlech, Cairns, Kistavens, Burrows could be found in many Badaga villages, which is considered as sacred by Badagas("H.B.Grigg,1880:242", "W.Francis, 1908:96", "Thurston, 1913:140").

During Mouriyan period(321 B.C - 184 AD) Buddhist Monks entered Nilgiris to spread Buddhism among the Badagas in Nilgiris, where came the tree worship among Badagas("H.B.Grigg, 1880:242", " Dr.J Halan, 2012:146", "R.Sugumaran, 2014:12" ).

In 1116 A.D. a Badaga King called Kalaraja was ruling Nilgiris. Vishnuvardana of Hoysala Kingdom of Karnataka was the first king to invade Nilgiris, sent his army and tried to threaten the Badagas and ordered to obey him. Three inscriptions refers to Kala's rule from his fort in Kukal Village("B.L.Rice, 1877: Vol:IV, Chp:2" www.badugaa.com).

Even before Britishers arrived to Nilgiris, a Portuguese Priest called Rev. Jocome Fierier visited Nilgiris in 1602("James Wilkinson Breekes, 1873:33"). He did not stay in Nilgiris. He returned back and informed that he found group of Tribal people called Badagas and Todas. He has spoken on Christianity with Badagas( Fedric Price 1908 : 2).”

Nilgiriking (talk) 22:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Is this change not going to be made?

I guess I should take it to the court. Nilgiriking (talk) 07:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

What’s happening? Will you make necessary changes? Nilgiriking (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 May 2020

Badagas are the indigenous people of Nilgiris, who have been inhabited in Nilgiris for thousands of years. The Badagas are as Indigenous to The Nilgiris as the English are to Britain by Paul Hockings, American Anthropologist. Praveenooty (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

To editor Praveenooty:  done. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 03:56, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 April 2021

Kindly change the line

“They were believed during the time of the Britishers to have descended from Lingayat refugees who settled in the Nilgiris in the early 12th century.”

to

“According to the Badaga oral tradition, their ancestors were presumed to be Vokkaligas who migrated from the plains of Mysore to avoid Muslim persecution.”

The references for the former is an outdated and unreliable raj era source according to Wikipedia referencing guidelines on clans User:Sitush/CasteSources.

The referenced for the latter are mentioned below. Cyberanthropologist (talk) 06:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

• @NeilN: can you expand on your protection reasoning for this page, the log entry only links to the protection policy and I'm not seeing any banners above about sanctions in effect. I'm normally quite lenient on good faith edit requests, but want to weigh it against the specific sanctions you are invoking. (Feel free to process this edit request while you are here!). Thank you, — xaosflux ^Talk 17:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

  It appears that all of the disputed and now redacted edits prior to the protection were for copyvio, not for other disputes. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

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