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Isn't visual editor available in the wikipedia app? Kushal Dev Wiki (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki: Welcome to the Teahouse! As far as I know, it isn't available in the app. (Also, please don't make duplicate sections, thanks!) Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 13:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

visual editor on wikipedia app

Is visual editor available in wikipedia app?How to access it in the app? Kushal Dev Wiki (talk) 13:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki: Nope. I can say from experience that the editor for mainspace articles in the iOS app is always source + syntax highlighting. (I assume Android is same.) For WYSIWYG editing, you'll need to do it in a web browser. Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:09 Tue 25, AEST) 12:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki There is visual editing for mobile Wikipedia on a web browser, not in wikipedia app though. max20characters 🇺🇸 16:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The articles available in different languages are translated by a translator or a wikipedian ?

Nepali wikipedia lacks so many topics.I want to create articles in Nepali by translating those one in english so that it may be easier for the Nepali users.I require suggestions and helps. Kushal Dev Wiki (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kushal Dev Wiki: Follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATEUS. You should also check the guidelines at the Nepali Wikipedia, since each langauge Wikipedia has its own rules for what is an acceptable article. RudolfRed (talk) 02:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Anyone is welcome to edit Wikipedia, and in any language. If you speak Nepali, you are free to write articles on the Nepali Wikipedia, just as you are on the English Wikipedia. You can write them from scratch, translate them from other languages (including English), or use the sources available on the corresponding English language page. Here is a brief guide for translating from English: Wikipedia:Translate us. — HTGS (talk) 02:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Kushal Dev Wiki. I don't have the link right now, but somewhere there is a list of 1000 essential topics. You could look at those, and see if any are missing in Nepali. Or just pick a topic that really interests you for your initial translations. Pelagic ( messages ) – (06:27 Wed 26, AEST) 20:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

See WP:VITAL. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Help on article about Rivancindela Hudsoni

Hello! I am a university student and am new to editing. I'm working on an article on the beetle Rivancindela Hudsoni, would someone be able to read it over and give me some constructive advice? Anastasia.sck (talk) 05:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Rivacindela hudsoni looks interesting. Here's a tedious chore for you, though. Not

the substrate ^[7].

(etc), but instead

the substrate.^[7]

(etc). -- Hoary (talk) 06:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Anastasia.sck: In other words, put the references after the punctuation. Also, the reference coding is a bit off. I’m viewing it on my mobile phone but will have some time tomorrow to look at it on my desktop to figure out what you’re doing wrong. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Anastasia.sck: you have done a great job for a new editor. I made a couple of minor copy-edits, and tried to clean up the references. There are still a couple of issues there to work on:

• Some of the listed "references" were never actually referenced in the article. I have assumed that they were used to build the article and grouped them as General sources - these are permitted but really should be referenced inline in the body of the article, so the reader knows which source supports what part of the article.
• Also, some of the references have numbers at the start - these probably need to be removed so they don't confuse people.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Wow, @Anastasia.sck, that's a great expansion for a first ouvre. I have to go and prepare for work, but I'll aim to leave some suggestions / critique on the article's talk page later.

Question for Teahouse regulars: could the CC-BY-NC image from SA Museum (see Anastasia's talk page) qualify for non-free-use if it's uploaded at low resolution?

— Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:28 Wed 26, AEST) 21:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

No. As far as I am aware, the Noncommercial (and No Derivatives) prongs are a hard no for Wikipedia under any circumstance. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Me sadface. I was hoping there might be a useful distinction between NC versus NC-ND or NC-SA. But thanks for the reply, Jéské / Bori. — Pelagic ( messages ) – (05:42 Thu 27, AEST) 19:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you everyone! I will definitely take this into account and improve on my article. This help is much appreciated :) Anastasia.sck (talk) 03:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

help with fixing a cite error

I have not worked on the article about W Magazine but I noticed an error in the cite line. I have no idea what is going on with it, but the reference could be fixed, if someone can tell me how or if you are busy just fix it or tell me how. I don't even understand what the words "Doosan Group" means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_(magazine) Ty78ejui (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui: Could you please specify which reference needs to be fixed, and what the error is? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Ref #15 is about an engagement. The man is with the Doosan Group company. The ref states that he manages Doosan Magazine and it manages the South Korean version of W Magazine. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The reference is fixed now, but it was easy to see because it had red on it. I looked and I no longer see the big red words (it said "Doosan Group") any longer. I think its fixed, so thank to that person who fixed it. Ty78ejui (talk) 22:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Help Setting Up A New Musician Page

HI there, I have an account called 'Quincy Queen Of Denmark', which I set up in order to publish a WIKI Page on an artist I am working with (HOLLY MACVE). However - it seems to have my user name (Quincy Queen Of Denmark) as the heading on publishing - when I want the article to be purely about the artist. Have I made a huge error? Is there a way to rectify? I've spent so long with sources and citations etc - I don't want it ruined with my obscure name at the top of the article. Any help gratefully received. This is visual editor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:QuincyQueenOfDenmark/sandbox Holly Macve (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@QuincyQueenOfDenmark Everything is fine. That article is in your sandbox which you can use for editing tests. If you think your article is ready, you can hover over 'More' at the top of the page, click 'Move', select 'Article', and replace the text QuincyQueenOfDenmark/sandbox with the text Holly Macve. Normally another method would need to be used, but since you don't have any other edits in your sandbox that's perfect for this. I'll make a few edits once you've done that so it looks like a normal Wikipedia page. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Please don't follow this advice and move to main space, you are a paid editor, which you need to declare on your user page, I have moved your article to draft, when you think it is ready you can submit it for review. Theroadislong (talk) 15:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, QuincyQueenOfDenmark. Your problem is that, as a publicist, your goal is fundamentally incompatible with what Wikipedia stands for. Please understand that promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia, and Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. "On stage, Macve is described as having a magnetic stage presence" would be acceptable in a Wikipedia article if it were quoted from a source which is wholly independent of the subject, but as it comes from Bella Union, who appear to be her agents or managers, it does not belong in a Wikipedia article. It looks to me as if only the two reviews (from Record Collector and the NYT) are independent, and so those are the only citations capable of establishing that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability; but between them those two do not, in my opinion, provide significant enough coverage to establish notability. Unless you can find and add more independent sources - and trim the text to what those sources say about her - I don't believe your draft will be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Colin that is helpful.. I am not a paid editor though, but did say I would help set up a page for a musician - but I thought all musicians had a page and that it was a normal thing to be on WIKI - its where most people look first when they want to find more about an artist - I am beginning to see why people would get paid though! It's taken ages. I will remove the 'reviews' which could contain bias as I can see why that would be a conflict. I do understand it should never be used for promotion. I'll look for more citations to avoid future problems. Thanks you also to talk I am actually not being paid (alas) but I am helping out - do I still need to declare that? Forgive ignorance. And if I do need to declare it - how would I go about it? This is all new to me. I can't actually tell if I am replying to you properly - but I hope I am. I do appreciate your time. Oh - and if you were able to help with edits I would be delighted. Very best wishes, Jules talk

QuincyQueenOfDenmark Yes to declaring COI (see note on your Talk page). In early life I see some close paraphrasing - verging on copying from the ref - that needs to be changed. What Macve says in interviews does not establish her Wikipedia notability and should be deleted. Lastly, Wikipedia has articles, not pages. David notMD (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

New law regarding deplatforming that has $250,000/day fine: applies to Wikipedia?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56952435 The legislation states that platforms can only suspend accounts for 14 days, and will be fined as much as $250,000 (£176,000) per day for violations.

NetChoice, a tech lobbying group whose members include Twitter and Facebook, testified against the bill in March.

The bill, believed to be the first of its kind, will take effect on 1 July. --- Does Wikipedia plan to comply?

Should Wikipedia limit bans or blocks to 1-2 years?

I have no opinion, just reading the news. Inkfo (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I mean, it's a Florida state law that only applies to candidates in Florida state elections, and regardless, the WMF is not based out of Florida AFAIK, so no, Wikipedia should not take notice of this. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thank you, Inkfo, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is an interesting article, but not actually relevant to the Teahouse, or indeed to Wikipedia. We block users who breach a range of our WP:RULES, including impersonating or appearing to be real, living people until they can prove their identity. Whilst we often get interns and other minor characters trying to big up their favourite political candidate, it's unlikely that the politicians themselves would ever edit here. So this seems a moot point, even though it's not the kind of thing the Teahouse would ever advise on. It's really a matter for The Wikimedia Foundation to consider, so maybe wait and see how it responds to legislation in one small state of one country in this entire world. I doubt Florida legislation would ever apply to this Project. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The Foundation has attorneys to advise it on things like this. This law will likely be tossed out by the courts as interfering with interstate commerce or as a first amendment violation. 331dot (talk) 00:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

The law applies to social media platforms. Wikipedia is explicitly not a social media platform. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

One think I would look at is the bill's definition of "social media platform" (>100 million gross revenue/year or partecipants/month), but is probably better to leave this to lawyers and similar. Personuser (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

• Wikipedia could also open up a theme park somewhere; there is a carve out in the law for owners of theme parks or entertainment areas of 25 acres or more. 16:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

How can I establish a mundane fact not found in reliable published sources? (The height a tree will reach)

Ligustrum lucidum. Sanxuanín de la China (tamañu)

I am trying to contribute information about a tree that is mischaracterized in all the sources I can find. Glossy privet (Ligustrum lucidum) is described in its Wikipedia entry as being 10 m (33 ft) tall. Although I cannot find a published source to refute this statement—for example, The Illustrated Flora of North Central Texas (p. 850) specifically says it gets up to 10 meters tall.

But that's false: · I personally have cut down trees of this species that ranged up to 45 feet tall, and they are not the tallest in the area. · A friend is removing one (they are invasive in our area) that is 60 feet tall. He has documented the tree and its removal on iNaturalist. · A photo on Harvard University's website shows the botanist Frank Meyer standing next to one in China that must have been 70 to 80 feet tall, based on how many heights of Frank Meyer and his colleague it takes to reach the top of the tree. · Anyone who has visited Mexico City has seen glossy privets close to 20 meters tall in parks, streets, and squares all over the place.

Yet I have not found a reputable source that states this fact.

This is significant because L. lucidum is often mistakenly identified as L. japonicum, a shrub that typically tops out at 12 feet. The difference is dramatic. L. lucidum can grow 20 feet in a year, and more typically grows 5 to 10 feet a year during its period of fastest growth (probably years 3 or 4 to 10), but L. japonicum grows only 2 feet a year.

One reason this difference is important is that L. lucidum is highly invasive, especially across the American South, but from South Carolina to Texas L. japonicum seldom if ever escapes cultivation. Nonetheless, official databases consistently report both as being invasive because L. lucidum is so frequently misidentified as L. japonicum. I would say that even professional botanists and foresters get this wrong, but the truth of the matter might well be that especially professional botanists and foresters get it wrong.

So is there a way to get the information correct in Wikipedia, even though the works prepared by experts deny the empirical realities of the physical world?

And I must point out that I am not a botanist. I am just a volunteer who organizes projects to remove these invasive trees from parks and green spaces in my area. Through that work I have direct knowledge of the properties of this particular plant.

Thanks! EditorCliff (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

No, you have to cite reliable sources. The reading public have no more reason to believe what you say than they have to believe what I say (and they really shouldn't buy a used car from this man). If professional dendrologists get it wrong, let them know. Invite one or more along to view these giant plants. The fruits of your persuasion will make it into print, and then Wikipedia can cite it. -- Hoary (talk) 04:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@EditorCliff: Speaking as the author of a Flora, and also as a Wikipedian, I would have to agree with Hoary. As botanical writers, we do occasionally list exceptional plants in our floras, but tend to give average maxima, not world records, or unusual growing situations. The best source for height I can find is 15 metres (50ft) (here). But if you have a reliably-identified photograph, that could at least be added to Commons, or used in the article, providing it's appropriately captioned and relevant. The problem with Commons - and you said it yourself with this species - is that there is little to no verification of the identity of what has been uploaded. That said, the image I have inserted here does 'appear' to have been uploaded by a competent naturalist. But I wouldn't want to attempt to guess its identity or its height. Unless content has been properly published and available for anyone to check, then putting in information from one's personal experiences (no matter how true it is) just isn't something we do here. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Would writing a sentence this way be considered WP:NOR?

Let's say I have this sentence:

I-190, NY 5 and NY 33 are the primary freeways serving the city, and at their busiest points carry about 94,000, 41,000 and 110,000 vehicles, respectively.

If I changed it to this:

I-190, NY 5 and NY 33 are the primary freeways serving the city, and combined carry over 245,000 vehicles daily.

Would that be considered WP:OR? The guidelines at WP:CALC state that routine calculations are acceptable, and these numbers are in the document. Combining them would make the prose succinct. Buffaboy ^talk 04:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Buffaboy: Yes, that would fall under WP:CALC and is thus not original research. dudhhr_Contribs 06:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Great, thank you. Buffaboy ^t and ^c 06:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS

Hello, I'm new and I'm really glad to be here. I can't wait to get my hands-on editing, but I'll like to start with topics I have deep knowledge about, articles including company culture, marketing, comms, and biographies. I'll appreciate any pointers or advice.

Thanks! Grey Matter Copy (talk) 04:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome. I note that on your user page you say "I'm currently the lead copywriter at a reputable Digitrad Advertising Agency [...]." First, note that the purpose of copywriting and the purpose of encyclopedia editing are very different, and that their styles of writing are very different too. Secondly, work on improving existing articles where you can cite reliable, independent, published sources. Once you have experience of doing this successfully, you can consider starting new articles. -- Hoary (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Grey Matter Copy "Write about what you know" is common advice here, but be aware of potential conflict of interest (see WP:COI). David notMD (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers, really encouraged by the support! I hope I get my signing right lol Grey Matter Copy (talk) 17:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Wow, I did.lol Grey Matter Copy (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Allyx Nicole Ross (TM)

Asking for myself

Please let me know, how to not get blocked. I used to write HTML for PGA, ComplexCon etc. Look at my Legit History :) Thanks! Allyx Nicole Ross AllyxNicoleRoss (talk) 05:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@AllyxNicoleRoss: You are using Wikipedia as a means of promotion, which violates the What Wikipedia is not policy. dudhhr_Contribs 06:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

AllyxNicoleRoss, your activity seems to be limited to writing Draft:Allyx Nicole Ross and, on the talk page for that draft, providing odd and utterly unconvincing attempts to justify its continuing existence -- attempts that show that you have no idea of what an encyclopedia is about. When somebody is notable, there will be reliable, independent, published sources about that person (in newspaper websites and so forth); and other, unrelated people will want to use these sources to create a draft or article. Until that happens, don't try. -- Hoary (talk) 06:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Please let me know how to get this done AllyxNicoleRoss (talk) 06:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Done/See_also&action=edit

AllyxNicoleRoss, you may not edit templates. What is your purpose here in Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

If by "get this done" you meant create an article about yourself, don't. Your draft was declined and then deleted as not being appropriate for what Wikipedia is. David notMD (talk) 08:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Move draft to article but nothing shows in main wiki page

I wrote my article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_School_House,_Staines-upon-Thames,_UK) in draft then moved it (admittedly draft to draft the first time which was a mistake) then draft to article but is has not appeared as an article. I have now amended the draft to have the pictures placed better but I can't move that as it says the article name is already in use, but I still can't access it in main wiki. I would like to replace the draft I submitted to move with the latest draft or be able to edit the moved article (as opposed to a draft). Sorry newbie question....

Thank you. TreebG (talk) 06:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

TreebG, that accidentally became a redirect page. I tagged that for speedy deletion now. The Admins maybe deleting it in sometime. Then, you will be able to move your page to the mainspace. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 06:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@TreebG: although, the draft is not yet ready for the mainspace in my opinion. WP:YFA might be helpful for you. And, welcome to Wikipedia! Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 07:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@lightbluerain - thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TreebG (talk • contribs) 10:37, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Do editors get blocked for using foul language?

I just saw an editor who used bad words in their edit summary when someone moved the article they were concerned about to the draftspace. Can they get blocked for this? Should I report this to Admins? Or, should I ignore this? The editor is not new. They've written more than 50 articles. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 06:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

That mostly depends on what the "foul language" or "bad words" were used for. Imaginably, it's a blockable offense. Imaginably, it isn't at all. (For example, I might make an edit, and then in the next edit revert it with the edit summary "I fucked up, sorry. Self-reverting", which I think is perfectly OK, other perhaps than for editors with particularly delicate sensibilities.) If it's bad, take it to WP:ANI. -- Hoary (talk) 07:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Lightbluerain, Editors could be blocked if it gets out of hand, however. You can learn more on what to act on by visiting WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Panini!^🥪 12:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 12:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

mf,um,umn

 103.119.198.4 (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

It helps if you take your mittens off. -Roxy . wooF 07:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

How to not feel overwhelmed?

I have very recent started on Wikipedia and I feel very overwhelmed in terms of doing anything really. There's so much to think about in terms of bias, style of writing, copyright... especially when adding images! Very often I feel my only virtue is checking for correct formatting(grammar, punctuation, formatting etc.) and even then, I am nervous that I have made a mistake and damaged what was a perfectly good article. Did anyone else have a first experience similar to mine or am I just over-thinking this? ArcticFox037 (talk) 08:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@ArcticFox037 Hello, I think everyone has/had this feelings. Just edit little things, use your sandbox for testing, read the topics at the teahouse and ask questions, if and when they come up. 🍩 --Maresa63 ^Talk 08:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

ArcticFox037, It is perfectly fine to be overwhelmed. It's a lot to learn! I had a lot to overcome when I first started doing major edits on my first good article, Super Mario Bros. 35. Naturally, you will learn most of the policies and guidelines as you go forth by other contributors directing you to them and teaching you. After all, we're all here to contribute. For further guidance from other contributors in a general topic, check out WP:Wikiprojects. Panini!^🥪 12:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

• @ArcticFox037, it is perfectly normal, when I began editing, I was always on my toes whenever I made an edit as it was almost always reverted and a template left on my talk page. If you remain consistent, In time, that phase would pass as you would have had enough experience under your belt to tell a good edit from a disruptive one. Practicing in your sandbox is a good place to start and reading up some basic policies would go a long way into helping you to develop your editing skills. Addendum: The blanket answer to your question is do not edit in areas that are controversial and do not edit directly to live articles if you have a gut feeling that it would be reverted. Celestina007 (talk) 14:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding copyrighted picture to Wikipedia

Hi there; I recently expanded the Rouran Khaganate article, and created the article Tomb of Princess Linhe. Many clay figurines were unearthed from the latter, including the figure of a shaman, thought to represent her Rouran descent, thus inspired by the Rouran shamans, with the Rouran visiting the court of Wei frequently. I was thinking of uploading a picture of this Shaman figurine for the Rouran Khaganate article to show the figurine itself, but also because we have only one depiction of the Rourans. In this jstor article there is a photograph of this shaman figure. As a sculpture, it can't be uploaded at Wikimedia under a free license; but I was wondering whether the jstor article's picture might be uploaded at Wikipedia. Technically, a picture of it could be created.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, sounds like a question for you. Haldir Marchwarden, please try WP:MCQ next if you do not receive an answer here. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks!--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Haldir Marchwarden. You posted As a sculpture, it can't be uploaded at Wikimedia under a free license, but that's not necessarily true in each and every case as explained in c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter#Antiquities. If the sculpture is old enough or if there's freedom of panorama for 3D works of art in the country where the sculpture is found, then the sculpture itself might be no longer or ineligible fo copyright protection. That would mean that the only copyright that would need to be considered would be of the actual photograph itself. I can't see any photo in the link you've provided above. If the photo you want to use was taken by the author of that paper, then that person would be its copyright holder; so, you could seek their WP:PERMISSION to use it. Ideally, that would be the best thing since the photo could then be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and would be available for all Wikimedia projects to use. However, this is not always possible, which is why English Wikipedia does allow photos of sculptures to be uploaded locally and used as non-free content. To be able to do that though, you would need to make sure that the way the file is being used satisfies all ten non-free content use criteria. Satisfying one or some of these criteria is not enough; you need to meet them all. Whether this can be done often depends largely on how the image is going to be used and whether it's possible for a free-equivalent image or a free alternative way of presenting the same content to be used instead of non-free content. More detailed questions about image licensing and non-free use probably should be made at WP:MCQ or maybe even WT:NFCC because those are places where you're more likely going to find editors familiar with this type of thing.

Finally, please add some relevant WikiProject banners to the talk page of the article you created since that will help better incorporate it into the encyclopedia and let others who might be interested in such article know about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly; okay, thank you so much!--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 23:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

References

{{References}} Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Heh, I suspect you intended {{Reflist}}, not {{References}}, Haldir. Though have a look at {{Reflist-talk}}. Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:13 Tue 25, AEST) 11:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – combined with previous topic --Maresa63 ^Talk 11:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

References

Yes, thanks Maresa63.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 15:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Kindly guide/help or edit the content to get it approved Sonu Goel Wikipedia page

I have completely revamped the entire content of Sonu Goel page as per suggestion provided by you, so that it doesn't look promotional. However you my guide/help or edit the content. I shall be highly thankful to you Rakeshsipher (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rakeshsipher, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you are referencing Draft:Sonu Goel. The draft article still appears to be promotional in nature, you should read WP:LARD and avoid the optimization of promotional words or sentences. To guide you, you may want to read WP:NPOV. Furthermore you can diversify your editing, there are lots of articles that require attention. Focusing on just one biographical article for seven months doesn’t pass across the right message. Celestina007 (talk) 14:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Can I replace the source with another source that have logopedia as a source?

Can I replace the source with another source that have logopedia as a source? Like this file https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KNTV_11_NBC_Bay_Area.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsJustdancefan (talk • contribs) 14:36, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: Welcome to the Teahouse! For questions about Commons, I suggest you go to commons:Help:Contents. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Secondary source AP?

Is anime-planet.com a reliable source for reception? WellThisIsTheReaper (talk) 14:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@WellThisIsTheReaper: Welcome to the Teahouse! You may be interested in the conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 60#RS evaluation of anime-planet.com. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Contemporary classical music - silence?

Hello all, I've expanded a stub Rosa - A Horse Drama and left messages on the talk page there and that of the composer Louis Andriessen. As I am considering creating a page for a later stage work (Theatre of the World) I have asked what to call it as it needs disambiguation. There has been no response for some while. I was looking to create a draft in my sandbox but confused immediately - do I need to create it there? How would I title it temporarily? Do I need to? And lastly, I wonder whether to proceed if it may not be accepted and would prefer some discussion first. The piece is considered the composer's fourth major stage work - the other three all have their own pages - should I assume we 'complete the collection'? Thank's - the contemporary classical community appears inactive. Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Thelisteninghand: I responded at Talk:Louis Andriessen. Each work would need to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements in order to have its own article. We wouldn't "complete the collection" by creating an article for each work by Andriessen just because some of his works are notable. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thelisteninghand. At that talk page you've listed two source but the question is, is there enough (in such reliable, secondary, independent sources Template:Z21) to sustain a stand-alone article? I suspect there is, but just these two are not enough. The first source has some substantive content; the second could only be used to verify details about one staging of the production—which certainly is a valid topic for an article on the opera—but has little content directly about the opera itself. In any event, the correct way to write an article is to gather your sources first, and then summarize only what they verify, writing in proper paraphrase. So doing that task—that needs to be done anyway in order to write the article—should answer the question for you.

As to a name, it really isn't very important what a proposed article is titled while it's outside the article mainspace. You can create it as a subpage of your user space, or in the draft namespace – the latter is commonly preferred – which would be fine as Draft:Theatre of the World. As to a sandbox, though we provide the automatic sandbox link for each user, with the generic title "Username/sandbox", you can use any name after the forward slash to designate a sandbox subpage, so the common way is to use the proposed title as the "subpage part" of the name, e.g., User:Thelisteninghand/Theatre of the World. Both of the red links I've set out here can simply be clicked on to create the page.

Finally, if a stand-alone article is warranted, once it's ready to "go live", I do not think the ultimate title that the draft should should be moved to needs title disambiguation. Rather (per many implicated parts of Wikipedia:Article titles and Wikipedia:Disambiguation), since the existing title is occupied by a redirect to Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, simply because it translates to the (adjacent but not direct) English name "Theatre of the Orb of the World", an article on the opera can be moved over the redirect, and disambiguation should be addressed by a hatnote pointing at the current redirect target. I would suggest suggest something like {{for|the 1570 atlas translating to "Theatre of the Orb of the World" in English|Theatrum Orbis Terrarum}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much Fuhghettaboutit. Two sources were quick refs as an indicator - I think there is enough elsewhere. Thanks for your guidance on disambiguation processes. I started the piece on my sandbox page so I will title it as you suggest - I think you are right there. All very helpful. Thelisteninghand (talk) 18:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Ah - now I have already started the page I cannot change the title! I'll carry on for now Thelisteninghand (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Thelisteninghand, to change the title, you move the page from its old title to the new one! (Counter-intuitive maybe, but makes sense once you get used to it.) Pelagic ( messages ) – (06:46 Wed 26, AEST) 20:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Confirmed and Autoconfirmed

What is difference between confirmed users and autoconfirmed users? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's a nice explanation at WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I need help with approving an article

I wrote an article about a personality that, in my opinion, has a Wikipedian notability. The draft exists but the reviewer wrote that I did not add a notable reference. All I could find online is interviews with the person I wrote the article about. That is the link for the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chris_Lukhaup You can look at articles such as Takashi Amano which are similar and appear on Wikipedia. From my Experience Mr. Lukhaup is a very known person in the shrimp keeping hobby, and maybe the most famous and dominant person this days. For that reason, if the article of Amano is notable, so is Lukhaup's. How can I publish this article if I can't find any good reference? Ronenspierer (talk) 15:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ronenspierer, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, first off, an individual is notable when they possess in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources, an interview doesn’t nothing to prove one is notable. Secondly, fame and notability aren’t the same thing, one can be very famous but extremely non notable. A person is notable when they satisfy our general notability criteria or WP:BASIC or the relevant SNG. It is also good practice to dialogue with the individual that declined your draft. I hope I was able to help, if you need more answers I’m more than willing to provide them. Celestina007 (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Bahru Kegne photo upload okay not okay?

Hello, can i upload photos of a notable Ethiopian folk musician that passed away two decades ago, under fair use terms? Or is there a photo archived somewhere? Name Bahru Kegne(1929-2000). He has no wiki article yet, i'm in the process of gathering sources @ Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 15:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dawit S Gondaria. There is no freely licensed photo of Bahru Kegne on Wikimedia Commons. The policy on Non-free content/images #10 allows use of a low resolution image, but only in an encyclopedia article about the person, and only if the person is now dead. So, finish the article first and then add the image, following the policy carefully. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: thanks for the info! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Dawit S Gondaria, happy to be of assistance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to be back so soon @Cullen328: it's still kind of complicated. I want to upload the photo below @ [[1]], then i come across this question>> Now tell us why you are sure you have the right to publish this work:

The copyright holder published this work with the right Creative Commons license

The copyright holder published their photo or video on Flickr with the right license

The copyright has definitely expired in the USA

This work was made by the United States government

Another reason not mentioned above

I found it on the Internet — I'm not sure

Which one should i answer? Another reason not mentioned above? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Dawit S Gondaria, I thought that I was clear previously, but let me be very clear: You CANNOT upload any non-free images unless you have already written a biography about Bahru Kegne, and it has already been accepted into the encyclopedia. Also, non-free images are uploaded locally here on English Wikipedia, not on Wikimedia Commons. The software will not allow uploading a non-free image for an article that does not exist. Forget about the image for now and focus on writing a well-referenced policy compliant biography article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Several small edits vs few consolidated edits?

Hello Teahouse, wondering if there was any WP policy/guide on edits and the etiquette on the number of edits. Just a quick reply will do!
To me, it seems most rational to condense many changes to a page into a few edits, rather than making several small edits. Just saw this edit list here. Obviously this editor has been improving Wikipedia, but just looking to point to something concrete should I run into this in the future. Thanks! PerpetuityGrat (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

PerpetutityGrat, both are fine. Some editors like to add thousands of bytes in one edit, while others add small portions at a time. Edit count is the only thing that is really affected by the difference. Sungodtemple (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Great that works thanks! PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: Some editors like to make a series of smaller changes so that anyone who objects to an edit can revert just that one edit. If a massive change to an article has some good parts and some bad parts, it's much harder for an editor who objects to one or more parts of the edit to deal with. Deor (talk) 18:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: Can it really take 204 edits to change 15 words? (See this for a quite ridiculous bit of edit overkill). Nick Moyes (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Why is my page being deleted? How do I get it posted?

I attempted to create a page for a wealth management firm which interns need to see on Wikipedia to understand. This firm is different to the other firms so requires an explanation, explaining the way in which it works and how it invests differently to traditional methods.

This knowledge is backed by sources and needs to be published. However, wikipedia is threatening to delete the page. OmarA777 (talk) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

OmarA777 I'm sorry, but Wikipedia has no interest in aiding your company interns, investors, customers, or in otherwise aiding your company. You should do that on social media or some alternative forum where that is permitted. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, but in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Please review WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@OmarA777: I don't understand how using Wikipedia helps interns understand the firm. Wouldn't a page on the company's website be better? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@OmarA777: I don’t see any articles you have created in your editing history. Is it possible you edited using your IP address or under a different account? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: The OP may have been talking about Draft:Binary Capital Investment Management. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thanks - I didn't see that in the history. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

TimTempleton, deleted edits are not listed in the contributions page. It's a good idea to check user talk page or its history because deleted pages usually leave deletion notices there. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

... or use the "Edit count" link at the foot of the user's contribution page. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

board

I have been working on list of Crayola colors and is starting to become board so is there any place that is struggling or any tactics to find some place that still needs lots of work? Thememe420 (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I go to WP:TASKS. Many things to do there. TigerScientist Chat > contribs 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

oops I didn't ping them Thememe420 TigerScientist Chat > contribs 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

You might check out User:SuggestBot which specialises in delivering suggestions based on your editing history and articles that need work. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

help?

im not sure whats happening but im trying to edit my bosses page and its not letting me make changes. It keeps removing fscts about his life when indeed they are facts about his life! 32.213.31.218 (talk) 19:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Your edits are completely unsourced- we can't just take your word for it, all information(especially in articles about living people, see WP:BLP) must be sourced to an independent reliable source. In addition, if you are editing about your boss, you have a conflict of interest and are a paid editor. Please review those policies for information on required formal disclosures you should make. It would be easier if you had an account for that, but it's not necessary. You should propose changes you feel are needed to the article about your boss (not "your bosses page") on the article talk page in the form of a formal edit request(click for instructions) 331dot (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

And before that, was GEM MGMT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) also you? Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP for obvious block evasion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

what would you suggest

Hello, I am newer to Wikipedia and i am interested in being a editor on the site. What tutorials would you suggest?

Thank you, 19IQ (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

19IQ Hello and welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. There is a new user tutorial(click the link to access) available to use. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

How This Place Works

I really don't know how Wikipedia works. It all seems so...intricate. I kinda need help. Eclectic-Polymath (talk) 20:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Eclectic-Polymath: Maybe start with Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Eclectic-Polymath: what would you like to do around here? There are a lot of processes, certainly, but as long as you have something you're interested in, we can help point you in the direction you'd like to go. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Trouble removing "in use" Template

While editing this page, I inserted an "in use" template to display while I was making changes. I am finished with the changes, but I am having difficulty deleting the template. Please advise! Thanks EroniousThunk (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I removed the template, not sure what was the problem. Your edit about removing the template removed a ref name and it's reuse, so you may wan't to recheck if all worked out fine. If after reviewing the article history you are still confused about what happened, feel free to ask for additional delucidations. Personuser (talk) 20:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Publishing content

I am trying to publish a short article that defines the profession Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA). This should be a short blurb simply defining a profession, but I keep getting declined. I have added some more resources, but not sure if it will be published. Any help will be appreciated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Certified_Divorce_Financial_Analyst Keirac2 (talk) 22:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

See WP:FIRST Keirac2 TigerScientist Chat > contribs 22:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Keirac2: I think you're better off adding a section to Divorce#Effects called Financial impact, where you can discuss the financial impact of divorce, and note the fact that there is a related profession called a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst. You can then redirect "Certified Divorce Financial Analyst" to that spot, rather than creating an entirely new short article. If there's enough info for a standalone article, down the road you can then consider doing a WP:FORK. But since you are relatively new, and don't have a lot of experience editing, I recommend you reach out to other editors on that article's talk page to build consensus for and get help with the changes. My personal feeling is that there will never be enough for a standalone, since the term and profession are so obscure. None of the sources currently in your draft suggest otherwise. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC) ‎

Gumustekin Gazi

 SavageBWiki (talk) 22:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@SavageBWiki: Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

English variant templates

Recently there was a TFD for the now deleted "Template:Commonwealth English" and "Template:Use Commonwealth English". While the discussion is clear about deletion, the same doesn't seem to be true for the details of conversion. The best approach seems to be replacing "Use Commonwealth English" to Template:EngvarB. What I find confusing is that there isn't a clear talk page counterpart for this template and that it isn't clear if these templates are a statement about the used variant, a statement about the variant that should be used or just a way to bring some articles to the attention of editors more interested in spelling. If the matter is worth some more serious discussion, suggestion about the best place to address it are naturally welcomed (the ratio between my typos/spelling errors and how often I talk about the topic is interesting, but probably doesn't matter much in talk pages/Teahouse) Personuser (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Personuser. The Manual of Style, in WP:ENGVAR, discusses the consistency of styles of English within articles, and does not discuss article talk pages. As an American, if I comment on the talk page of an article on a British topic, I do not try to write in British English. I will mention the color of something without worrying about spelling the word as "colour". Those distinctions are for articles, so I do not think any Engvar templates are needed for talk page discussions. Other editors may have more to say. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree that talk pages don't need any nitpicking about variants, as long as the comments are clear (for this other things are usually more important than color/colour or even its/it's or worse), but my understanding is that the talk page templates refer to the mainspace article, since the mainspace templates are invisible. They may have some different function (talk page templates give advice to editors about the variant to use, mainspace ones place the article in a cathegory, probably for spelling fixes, EngvarB may be a special case), but the template documentation doesn't seem exceptionally clear. Still thank you for the reply. Personuser (talk) 00:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Template talk:EngvarB shows that you are not the only editor who finds this template confusing, Personuser. Add me to the list. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Drafts

I cannot understand what I did. I tried to translate something and I thing I ended up publishing it as a draft or something. I think it is not visible for the average user but I am scared it is because it is a musician's wikipedia page and I think it looks like this (with my name):

User:Rosamgmira/Roman Filiú

Anyway, I would like to publish my translation but I cannot do it because I am not an experienced user. Could anyone please delete that page above and create the translation? (which I have already done but I am unable to upload). Rosamgmira (talk) 23:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

"Publishing" a draft just means saving it (and making it visible for anyone who knows where to look). It doesn't mean publication in the normal sense. The (Spanish-language) original is not suitable for (English-language) Wikipedia even if translated conscientiously, because it's poorly referenced. However, if you think that you can find references for what it says, then you'd be welcome to add them gradually to your draft, with the hope of eventually having the result published (in the normal sense of the word) as an article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Rosamgmira publishing is just saving your changes to a article or draft. TigerScientist Chat > contribs 00:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rosamgmira: Welcome to the English Wikipedia. Your draft is currently in userspace, which is not indexed by search engines and most users typing in Roman Filiú will not get a suggestion to it. Would you like it to be moved into draftspace (Draft:Roman Filiú)? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements Box (continued)

 Courtesy link: 2022 New York gubernatorial election

Six candidates are in a political race. Only one of those six are campaigning. That one candidate is getting endorsements. At least three people have tried to create an endorsements box for this candidate, but two users continually removes the endorsements box, citing it as non constructive with no further context. The party has indicated in the past that they want to pick a nominee in the next few months, so these endorsements are important and there is a sense of urgnency to accurately display this important information. What can we do? Capisred (talk) 00:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Capisred, you might make a request for comment or ask on this noticeboard. -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Capisred, please note that Wikipedia user accounts are supposed to be used by a single user. So, if by "we", you mean more than one person are using your account, you'll need to change that. Also note that if you belong to a political campaign, you need to disclose those connections on your userpage, per WP:PAID. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

No, Capisred, there is no urgency. There are no deadlines on Wikipedia. The 2022 election is almost a year and a half away. Endorsements are far more significant a month or two before the primary. If you are a supporter of one of the candidates, then you have a conflict of interest and should defer to uninvolved editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Greetings, friendly responders! I would like to clarify a few things. First by "we" I mean myself, and two other users I do not know (02rufus02 and General Dwight David Eisenhower) who also tried to add an endorsements box that got removed for being "non-constructive". Secondly, I am not related to, I have no connections to, I do not work with, and I do not support the candidate in question. Third, the NY GOP Chairman has stated that he wants to pick a nominee this June (LINK). Going off of 2018 New York gubernatorial election, I see that there are seperate endorsements boxes for primary elections and general elections, therefore, It is my understanding that a primary endorsements box should be allowed to be put in place before the primary process is over. Because this decision will be made in June, how long do I have to wait/what rules do I have to play by so that Wikipedia users can submit relevant endorsements that are not dismissed as "non-constructive" before the primary endorsements box becomes obselete? Capisred (talk) 14:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Chinese People in Turkey

Hi! Would you interested in including my article "Chinese People in Turkey" in your Wikiproject? Requiemrelenquished (talk) 01:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Requiemrelenquished (talk) 01:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Requiemrelenquished, the article Chinese people in Turkey looks most worthwhile; but its section "Chinatown in Istanbul" lacks a single reference. Good work so far; a lot more work required! (And what do you mean by including the article in a Wikiproject?) -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Improving grade of article - Malignancy

 Courtesy link: Malignancy

I have edited and am still continuing to edit the Wikipedia article Malignancy. I was wondering when someone will look at it so I can see if the grade has been improved from a stub article ? Becomingeditor (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Becomingeditor: Definitely not a stub anymore; it's for sure a Start, maybe even a C, so good work! Just a quick tip: the punctuation always goes before the reference, like this. Your code should look like: This is a sentence.<ref>This is a reference</ref> ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Weeeellll, in most cases: citations go before dashes and (in the case of references that only apply to content in parentheses) before a closing parenthesis. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

References

@Becomingeditor: I fixed the punctuation with a quick spin through AWB's general fixes. GoingBatty (talk) 04:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Becomingeditor, you have done a very good job improving that article and I thank you for it. Stub tags should be removed from any article that provides a good introductory overview of the topic, if the article is well referenced. This article is now far past stub status. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

can someone please tell me what to click on to start typing for a gfm for my wife who has stage 4 cancer

 Candelbox (talk) 07:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm so sorry for your situation User:Candelbox, and I wish you both strength and love. However, we are unfortunately unable to publish biographical or memorial material for private persons. I'm not sure what "gfm" is but if you mean an article, I'm afraid that the Wikipedia is not a proper place for that. May luck and grace be with you. Herostratus (talk) 07:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

"gfm" means GoFundMe, which has become more-or-less a backup health insurance plan. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 08:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Candelbox. If you do mean "goFundMe" then you need to start at the gofundme website. I can't link to it because it is blacklisted.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Quantative versus qualitive references

Hi. I had stumbled upon a historical meterological chain reaction which despite operating for millions of years had inadvertently been altered then removed by human activity. Unfortunatly this event refered to as the Nile Climate Engine aka NiCE happened to be a precursor to one of the planets largest weather systems; African Easterly Waves (AEWs). This human intervention has resulted in the degredation of the equatorial cloud mass, allowing for more solar radiation to heat the oceans, which inturn helps melt polar ice and warm the atmosphere. More unfortunate still is that a multi billion dollar industry has grown up on the presumption that these events are the result of industrial emissions. So there is now a politiacl, accademic industrial complex geared to subverting and removing the factual reference to this NICE Effect, whilst exagerating the reliability of 'opinion' which is upholding and promoting the emissions theory. This situation relates directly to wikipedia, where there are vast references to emissions 'opinion', yet deliberatly few for the factual NiCE effect. It's a bit like cholera when 'everybody knows it is due to bad air', but the science determined it caused by contaminated water. The science is being subverted in favour of the highly publicised 'overwhelming majority of scientific opinion'. Sooooooo how can you help yourself and descendents, by unraveling or subduing this intilectual tar baby? Conor MacCloed (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

In a cursory internet search I found only a couple of references to this topic, from which it seems that it is the theory of a single meteorologist, one Conor McMenemie, who has succeeded in getting it mentioned in a couple of government-related fora: I found no reference to any paper in a recognised peer-reviewed publication, though others may have more success.

This suggests (perhaps wrongly) that the concept is not yet recognised by mainstream science, which would currently place it into the category of WP:FRINGE, or at best WP:TOOSOON.

Wikipedia is strictly limited to summarising what has already been written about a subject at substantial length by people completely independent of it, and been published in reputable Reliable sources such as peer-reviewed scientific journals, with several such sources being required. Wikipedia's purpose is not to introduce or publicise new concepts, never hosts what it defines as Original research, and strongly discourages articles being directly created or contributed to by anyone with a Conflict of Interest in the matter.

When and if this subject receives appropriate coverage in suitable sources, it can and pretty certainly will have an article created by disinterested editors, but not before that happens. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.217 (talk) 10:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Request experienced editors to edit this page

Draft:Ramdas_Padhye I need help in editing this page. I request experienced editors to edit it properly. I put all the required citations to this page Indiapuppet (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Help in Editing Page. Can you please help in editing this page Draft:Ramdas Padhye I request experienced editors to edit this page. I am new to wikipedia and don't know. Indiapuppet (talk) 10:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

First, Indiapuppet, please respond to the question that Theroadislong has posed to you in User_talk:Indiapuppet#paid_editing?. -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I have already responded to Theroadislong I am not directly or indirectly compensated for my edits, I am just trying to edit this page properly as it was deleted many times. If someone can edit it in better way it will serve as a source of information for others about Ramdas Padhye who is a ventriloquist and puppeteer from india — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indiapuppet (talk • contribs) 06:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Indiapuppet: The draft is a copyright violation, and has been tagged for deletion for that reason. In addition, it was written like an advertisement, which is not strange since the text was copied from the person's own website. He is free to advertise himself on his own site, but not on Wikipedia. You said I put all the required citations to this page but you don't have any edits to the current version of Draft:Ramdas_Padhye. What is your connection to Vhhhhjhgy, the user who submitted the draft for review? --bonadea contributions talk 08:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Editing information about a company you work for

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and have only made a few edits so far. I noticed that there are a couple of errors on the page for the company I work for, particularly relating to its location and headquarters. I'm aware that editing this page directly would not be a good idea due to the COI. Should I request an edit on the talk page and use a connected contributor template when doing so? How does that show up, and would I do this in combination with a "request edit" template, or instead? How would you recommend I go about this in a way that ensures the correct information is available while sticking to the rules and guidelines?

Ps. I've been looking through the rules in this article: Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia, but got a bit confused about the general consensus around making changes to articles you're associated with. So any help/advice would be very much appreciated!

Thank you :) Catytac (talk) 11:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! I appreciate that you follow integrity principles of Wikipedia. I can help you with this :). Just do the following:

1. Open the Talk page associated with the page you want to edit

2. On the Talk page and crate a new section at the very end and place { {Request edit} } (without spaces between { signs) right after the title of your new section. See Template:Request edit for details.

3. Describe exactly what you want to be changed and provide sources.

4. Wait for an experienced user (summoned by the "Request edit" template) to come in and implement your request or leave a comment.

Anton.bersh (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

That's great, thank you so much for the instructions! Catytac (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Article creation needed

Dear All,

I'm looking for someone to integrate a correct biography about one artist, there is someone who's can help me ? I'm not English speaker and the website is super complex, it would be amazing if someone can upload this bio for me.

thanks in advance !

best regards,

194.209.50.2 (talk) 11:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC) 194.209.50.2 (talk) 11:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for hosting bios of anyone as you believe. Wikipedia is not a social media, so unless they have information written about them in reliable sources they have a very small chance of getting into wikipedia as an article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandalf the Groovy (talk • contribs)

I presume Gandalf the Groovy meant to link to WP:NOTSOCIAL, a subesction of WP:NOT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia code command

I'm new to the code commands found in many Wikipedia articles and I was wondering what are these codes for, for example, "{Use mdy datesldate=March 2021" Any explanation would be appreciated! 47.152.150.237 (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello 47.152.150.237, and welcome to the Teahouse. Information about the Syntax we use can be found at Help:Wikitext, with a short introduction being available at Help:Cheatsheet. This particular code is there to remind you to please use the MDY - Month Day YEAR date format when inserting dates in this particular article. See also MOS:DATEFORMAT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@47.152.150.237: welcome to the Teahouse! {{use mdy dates}} is used to remind editors of the correct way to format dates. A mdy date for example would be "May 1, 2021" as the first part is the month, the second is the day, the third part is the year, respectively. versacespaceleave a message! 12:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Whenever you see something in a pair of curly brackets, that is a Template being used on the page. You'll find that particular one at Template:Use mdy dates. --ColinFine (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

As others have said {{Use mdy dates|date=March 2021}} is to keep track of what date format a particular article uses. The March 2021 part is purely their for categorization purposes, so that automated maintenance tools know when the article was last checked. - X201 (talk) 13:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

In general searching Template:templatename (without the brackets, e.g. Template:Use mdy dates) should bring you to a page describing how to use the template and what it's used for. Larger ones like boxes have also a direct link. For general mark-up see Help:Wikitext. A lot of this is easier to learn in small steps, looking at other text/edits and checking the preview if in doubt. Personuser (talk) 20:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Can you help me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alaattin_%C3%87a%C4%9F%C4%B1l

I have completely read and analyzed the item rules. Said person is eligible to be added as an item Its success and effects are officially proven. What is the reason for not being added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.169.66 (talk) 12:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I have deleted the draft for having its content copied from existing writing. This means that it was apparent plagiarism and violated copyright, and so did not meet with our policies.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Should we add a new bio for Wikipedia? Also, do you have an e-mail address that I can contact?

Any question you have can be asked here. Individual editors can be contacted on their own Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't we add a new biography for this item? I still haven't gotten a good response. What should I do? There is one person who meets all the criteria. But what's the problem? Can you help me? Thank you very much, kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.169.66 (talk) 16:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem with the draft you made was, as Fuhgettaboutit said, that you copied text from somewhere else: that is a big no-no. If you can find appropriate sources to establish notability - which excludes any user-generated sites such as Wikis, most blogs, and iMDB, and also anything written or published by Çağıl or his associates - then you are welcome to create a draft, based on those sources, but in your own words. If you are yourself connected with Çağıl, you need to read about editing with a conflict of interest, and if you are in any way employed or paid to do this, then you must make the declarations specified in paid editing. If you are Çağıl yourself, then you are strongly discouraged from trying to create an article about yourself: see autobiography. --ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

There is no "Should" or "Shouldn't". If you can find sufficient reliable-source references, try again. David notMD (talk) 20:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Feedback on government documents article expansion

Hi all, I'm editing this article on the Xinjiang papers. It's my first Wikipedia article I've really contributed to, and I generally feel like it's an important topic. I'm struggling to expand the article and would like some feedback on the changes I've made. Feel free to make edits or leave your comments on the talk page. Thank you! Couchcupcross (talk) 13:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Couchcupcross. It looks like you've added some very good material to the article – polished writing, good information, appropriately placed – good stuff, thank you! There is unfortunately a "but...": a large portion of the material you've added has been done without verifying the material through citations to reliable sources. Using citations to verify additions to articles should not be an afterthought but your first and primary focus. Moreover, much of the material you've added has included quotations, as well as writing speaking of living persons, without adding accompanying citations (for quotes, the citation should not just be placed at the end of the paragraph, but right after the quote, or at least at the end of the sentence that the quote appears in). Unlike the surrounding material – that very much should be sourced – such material (quotations and content about living persons) MUST be sourced. This focus (and mandate for some material) on sourcing—as essentially the be-all, end-all of proper contributions—is often foreign to new users. I hope you'll take it in because you have the skills to be a sterling contributor, but the writing suffering from this problem should be removed if those sources are not added soon – regardless of how good and well written the content is. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for your feedback! I read your comment and looked back at my article-- you're right, and once you pointed out the issue I can definitely see how I didn't insert enough citations. I think my main problem was that I inserted all my citations at the end of the paragraph instead of putting them right after the quote/sentence (I was not aware I should do that). I also had chunks of text that were sourced from the same article, but I didn't space out my citations throughout my text because I felt odd about hitting the "Re-use citation" button. I think a big problem is just unfamiliarity with the conventions of Wikipedia citing. I've gone back into the article and added citations (especially after direct quotations of living people), please let me know if you can think of further improvements I can make! Thanks again for the feedback :) Couchcupcross (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Creating a person page

I am making a page on a criminal that I think would benefit from having a page as all the information is cohesive. It has been previously deleted, I think it is because they may have thought it was an "attack page". I am writing with a neuatral view but do you think with more references (as it was poorly referenced so far) it could be published? Catfishingongoogledoc (talk) 13:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Current article draft is at Draft:Sophie Elms. There is no history there of an earlier attempt being deleted. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Catfishingongoogledoc, you should check these links: WP:BLP, WP:THESUN and WP:BLPPRIMARY. They apply to convicted criminals as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Catfishingongoogledoc: I think in general, a page like that certainly could be (wrongly) viewed by a reviewer as an attack page, even if it's sourced. Be very careful when writing a page about criminals - make sure everything is backed up with a reliable source, as we absolutely cannot get the article wrong, or we open ourselves up to lawsuits. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Catfishingongoogledoc: I have deleted uncited content, marked others as needing citations, and removed the names of other people involved in the case you're tried to write about. I'm doubtful based on just two brief national uk newspaper articles whether this meets WP:CRIMINAL - it might just do, based on her age at conviction. But DO NOT add anything about any individual which is not relevant to an encyclopaedia article and which cannot be supported by a reliable source. Your username suggests you might be on a bit of a crusade here, so be careful not to let your enthusiasm to tell a good story get in the way of our key policies on WP:BLP and WP:NBIO. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Removal or Template

If there is an unsourced line on Wikipedia, should it be removed or the citation needed template should be added? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

ExclusiveEditor, it's best to use a citation needed template unless if it is contested the material is removed. Think of it like court; innocent until proven guilty. In this case, true, but missing a source, until proven elsewise. Panini!^🥪 15:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

ExclusiveEditor, depends on context. If you look around for or a reference, you may actually find one, and then you can add it, possibly tweaking the content depending on what your ref actually says. If you look around for a reference but don't find one, you may make the editorial decision to remove. If someone objects, they should ideally make an effort to find a ref themselves. If the content is about a living person, WP:BLP, removing first and asking questions later is often the way to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Improving article Jean-Max Albert

I have improved the article Jean-Max Albert following the advice of the template messages. This advices are pertinent, but the border between encyclopedic tone and résumé, personal reflection, etc… is sometimes thin… Would it be possible to point out the mistakes that might persist in the new edit ? This would be helpful here and for a new article I’m working on. I hope I was right to remove the templates? 

With my best regards and thank you. F.While (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Jean-Max Albert — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

A couple of minor points, F.While. First, guillemets aren't used in English. Secondly, by "(x1, x2, x3)" do you perhaps mean "(x₁, x₂, x₃)"? (Though I'd defer to the informed opinion of either Kartsriv or Eumat114.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

These templates were mostly about tone/style and it's not always so obvious when they should be removed (not sure how much your edits adressed the issues). The relevant guideline for removing is Help:Maintenance template removal#When to remove. I personally prefer to wait at least some time for other editors to remove maintainance templates, mostly because I'm a relatively new editor and because a second opinion doesn't hurt anyway, but this isn't required (the best approach may vary depending on how controversial can be the removal and how many editors are watching the page). The article currently has the attention of other editors who can consider if it should be re-added. I thought the templates were actually re-added at some point, but can't find any evidence of this in the page history, so I probably got confused while browsing edits. I didn't check the article in depth, but by a quick look the space the works and biography section take seems disproportionate compared to the rest of the article, which, to some degree, isn't that uncommon for articles about living artists, some other issues may be more apparent on a closer look. If you are interested in this topic, probably checking how other editors improve this article or wp:blp and good articles in Category:21st-century artists or Category:20th-century artists may help you. Personuser (talk) 01:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I meant (x₁, x₂, x₃) indeed, Thank you very much.Very helpful, Cheers F.While (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

X6 Plus Hybrid Grounding Radar

Hi!!! I am a university student and am new to editing. I'm working on an article on the X6 Plus Hybrid Grounding Radar, would someone be able to give me some constructive advice? GPRUK [[2]] (talk) 16:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@GPRUK: Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! A few things (but not exhaustive):

• More appropriately cited references. Just the one isn't enough, and citations have to be made inline. See WP:EASYREFBEGIN for more details about how to properly cite references.
• Use of the second-person. Reword This detector, helps you to discover and discriminate all kinds of metal (structures and magnetized objects) so that "you" isn't used.

A reviewer will probably pick out more things to work on. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

A reviewer may notice copyright violations.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

My page

I want my page to be seen on Google Lil raph25 (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lil raph25: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place for promoting yourself; social media like Instagram is more what you're looking for. Do not advertise on Wikipedia, as that is an easy way to get your account blocked from editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft under review

The page Draft:AB & David Africa I created for review to the mainspace has been pending for months now, can I get a helping hand? --Dallez (talk) 18:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Dallez! There are almost 5,000 drafts awaiting review right now, so it may take 4 months (or longer) for your draft to be reviewed. One piece of advice I have is to fix the licensing information for File:AB & David Africa.png, as I assume it's not your own work being that it's the company's official logo. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 18:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

How to avoid advertorial edits

Courtesy diff: ACORD

Hey everyone! New editor looking for some guidance here. Was told that [edit] was highly advertorial and just seeking out some pointers on how to avoid doing that in the future. Thanks! Hemeiling (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy pinging SpacemanSpiff, who reverted the edit. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hemeiling, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you've been answered at your talk page. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

HMS Stevenstone (L16)

I was browsing and came on the page for HMS Stevenstone (L16) which I see was edited very wrongly. But since I am new, and I really don't know what I should do about it, I decided to post it here to flag it here for someone who wants to corrected the article instead. HMS Stevenstone (L16) Thanks!  Holbert4020537 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Holbert4020537 I fixed it. 1989ChevyVan (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

You can revert the latest edit, specially if clearly unhelpful, by clicking "undo" next to the entry in the article history ("view history" at the top of the page). If the situation is less clear you should be more careful and add an edit summary or consider discussing the matter. For multiple or not latest edits this can be more complicated and is explained here Personuser (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

uppercase/stylization question

hi, quick question. i'm working on Draft:Quantum Metric and basically they refer to what their software does as Continuous Product Design. pretty sure that term is stylized in uppercase as seen in this article and this one but i dont think its trademarked or anything so i'm unsure how to write it in the draft. should it be kept lowercase? thanks. Melodies1917 (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

According to the website linked in the infobox (at the bottom), it is a trademark. "The" probably isn't part of it and WP:Manual of Style/Trademarks and WP:Manual of Style/Capital_letters#Capitalization_of_The are the relevant guidelines. Hope this helps, but perhalps you should wait for the opinion of some more experienced editor. Personuser (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The actual trademark seems legit and doesn't include "the".MOS:TMCAPS suggests using the capitalisations commonly used that most closely resemble standard English. So, yeah, using "Quantum Metric" seems alright and isn't worth overthinking, unless someone actually contests this choice. Personuser (talk) 22:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Is THIS notable

https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE_%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF_%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8_%E0%A4%98%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9F_%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BE 72.76.95.136 (talk) 22:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The page you liked is in Hindi while this page is English Teahouse. You might have better luck posting your question on Hindi pages. Also, you might find the following pages helpful: WP:PROD and this. Anton.bersh (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Does news website linking to a blog count towards blog notability?

Wikipedia has a number of atricles about private blogs (run by one person or a small group of people), which consist of content assembled from the blogs themselves. These articles usually contain a statement along the lines:

[Blog name] is recognized by [name of notable journal] for [a broad subject].

But when you open the provided source, it does not cover the blog itself. Instead, the source covers a very narrow topic and contains a single sentence about the blog like "as reported by [blog name]" or just "via [blog name]". Intuitively, I don't think such attribution/credit for a paticular article in a blog can be considered in-depth coverage of the blog itself.

Examples (please go to pages to see the sources):

1. Ghacks: Ghacks Technology News articles are often republished by sites such as Lifehacker, Gizmodo, Donationcoder.com, and other sites due to its coverage of cyber security, troubleshooting and FOSS.
2. DonationCoder.com: DonationCoder has been recognized by Lifehacker, Ghacks and other well-known and reputable blogs for its adherence to the principles of freeware and open source software.

My question is: does simple authorship attribution for a small handful of articles imply notability of the whole blog? Intuitivelly, when someone creates a personal blog and emails some of its content to blog agregators (e.g., Lifehacker), that does not make that blog notable in Wikipedia terms.

Anton.bersh (talk) 22:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

You are correct in your intuitions. Sources must be independent, and constitute significant coverage. I would go to AFD if you believe that these articles should not exist, but without digging through those articles too far, what you describe is not encyclopedic. — HTGS (talk) 22:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I pick an article and just start editing?

Hello everyone! I am a completely new Wikipedia editor and joined to practice my copyediting skills. When I found out how easy it was to become an editor for Wikipedia, I was so excited to get started. I browsed a few Wikipedia projects, read up on the Manual of Style, and joined the Guild of Copy Editors. However, now I feel a little lost on where to get started. The sheer number of articles is overwhelming, and I worry that my skills are not good enough to help out or that my changes will be reverted by someone else. Does anyone have any advice on how to get over these anxieties, or how to pick an article? Any tips would help, thanks! Addienotaddy (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Addienotaddy: here's some advice, be bold. If your edit gets reverted you can discuss it with the other editor to find out why it was reverted and get advice to improve. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 23:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Here's some more advice, Addienotaddy. Choose a subject about which you already have a certain understanding (but do not rely on this understanding; rely on reliable, cited sources). Do not be bold (advising a newcomer to be bold is a recipe for disappointment and perhaps disaster). Instead, be cautious, first fixing spelling mistakes and obviously horrible prose. Certain copy editors get hung up over silly shibboleths about English grammar and style (even taking twaddle such as The Elements of Style seriously): ignore this. You will probably be successful. As you succeed, become more ambitious. After a few dozen mostly minor and entirely uncontroversial edits, be bold. By this time, you will have the experience to ensure that your boldness will be both beneficial and welcome. -- Hoary (talk) 23:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I email another editor?

Sorry for my inexperience, but how can I email another editor? Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 23:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cheryl Fullerton: if the user has email enabled, you can visit their user page and then on the left side navigation bar there is "email this user" link. You can also leave a note on the user's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you RudolfRed! Regards!Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 00:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Lengthy links

Why are links to pages on other Wikipedias in other languages so long? My guess is how links handle special characters (I don't exactly know how it works but if it's not a letter in the latin alphabet in the link it'll be like %&14). If this isn't the right place to ask this my bad. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I think that the article Percent-encoding will explain. -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Use of non-free content in a list

My question is straightforward; is the use of non-free content to decorate an entry in a list fair use under WP:NFCC? The case example I'd like to bring up is the use of File:Inspiration4 Patch Art.png on List of Falcon 9 first-stage boosters (direct link to relevant section), where it is used to decorate the cell for "Dragon C207 Resilience (Inspiration-4)". — Molly Brown (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

My answer/question is similarly straightforword: would using this image for "decoration" impove the article or improve it in a significant enough way to even consider copyright issues? Personuser (talk) 02:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

At a closer look some other images in public domain are used in the same table. I would argue that they also don't really add anything to the article, eespecially in a table, where the things they are possibly supposed to mean can be expressed in a textual/sortable way, if they are not just eye candid. This is still mostly my personal opinion and not a Wikipedia guideline. Personuser (talk) 03:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy links (that I probably should have checked before) talk page section, deletion discussion on Commons. My advice is to wait for the commons discussion to finish, try your best to make your point in the talk page and only after that, if it's still needed, bring up the matter at WP:Media copyright questions or similar. Good luck and I hope this is resolved as quickly as possible, since it seems a lot of trouble for a relatively insignificant image. Personuser (talk) 04:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Molly Brown. IMO this fails fair use. If this was the subject of discussion in the prose of the list that would be one thing. This is approximately the opposite extreme, seemingly mostly decorative, and serves little educational purpose, which is the heart of fair use. See also WP:NFLISTS.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Also WP:NFCCE states that it is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale; that part is arguably only about retaining the file as a whole (the use of which may be more appropriate in Inspiration4). Couldn't find anything as clear about the use in single pages, but use of non-free content is surely the exception and not the rule, the burden of proof should be on the ones supporting it's use and the justification should be a bit more elaborated than the answers you got this far. Personuser (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The Unsinkable Molly Brown, fair use (non-free) images are never allowed on Wikimedia Commons, so that image will need to be removed there unless it can be shown to be public domain. WP:NFCI is the link to the policy language regarding uploads and use of non-free images locally on English Wikipedia. The policy is enforced strictly. As an aside, I reacted a bit negatively to your use of the word "decorate" which to me implies a bias against images. I think "illustrate" is a better and more neutral term, and it is a good thing to illustrate our articles (including list articles) with relevant, properly licensed images. Just my personal reaction. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Request for expanding Draft:Manoj Ahuja

Hi, currently Manoj Ahuja redirects to CBSE, but i have created Draft:Manoj Ahuja. I want it to be expanded but i don't have sufficient data. Please suggest how it can be expanded. Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 04:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The current draft now cites two sources. Each has a promising title but turns out to be vapid. Does other material exist? If it does, cite it and use it. If it doesn't exist, then no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 05:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Hoary:, I have references but I don't have information to write Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 05:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Vhhhhjhgy, if there's nothing (or next to nothing) written about this person, then there can't be an article about him. -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks Hoary. How should I delete Draft:Manoj Ahuja ? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 05:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Vhhhhjhgy, you are the only contributor so far. Therefore, if you blank it (remove all its content), an administrator will delete it. -- Hoary (talk) 06:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hoary I have added the {{delete}} template on the page. Is it OK?Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 07:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Vhhhhjhgy, it worked perfectly! -- Hoary (talk) 07:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit Requests and Archival

When an edit request has not been responded to, in the affirmative or the negative, before an archive bot gets around to archiving it, what is the normal practice for handling that? I unarchived the request in question, but I'm not sure that is the "correct" action. BilledMammal (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

BilledMammal Can you give the example where you unarchived the request so that you can be helped. Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 07:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Apologies, I thought it might be impolite to include that here, rather than focusing on the general question. This is the request: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_23_May_2021_(1) BilledMammal (talk) 07:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: unarchiving is fine - you can also {{subst:Pin section}} at the top of the section to prevent it from being archived. Elli (talk | contribs) 11:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Deleting account

Hi, Is there a way I can delete my account permanently? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 07:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There isn't, Vhhhhjhgy, because all edits need to be attributed to an editor. However, see Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Now, even if it were possible, why would you want to delete your account? Instead, please stick around and contribute more! -- Hoary (talk) 07:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Language style

Do I have the liberty to use a particular style of writing to build a narrative? I will provide authentic source for the information. If not then what is the proper style? Can you pleases elborate more on the notion of Encyclopaedic language? Punctilious Occam (talk) 08:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There is WP:MOS, which mostly deals with specifics rather than the general style. On wikipedia usually some more variety in style is allowed compared to traditional encyclopedias (I seriously didn't know how to properly order the previous words in English), but any article isn't your own, so you can't enforce any style or narrative you would like, unless it's considered appropriate by other editors. Considerations about due weight to specific topics, proper sourcing, consistency between similar articles and other things are usually more important and collective editing usually helps with that (since many editors are better at some parts that others). "Style" often isn't really neutral to content, if you have a more specific question, you may get better answers. Personuser (talk) 09:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Dry, dusty and bland is often the style to aim for. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose (under certain clearly defined experimental criteria). Personuser (talk) 11:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Attempts at humor are not necessarily humorous, and in articles, should be avoided. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

My attempt at humor wasn't humorous, but was still arguably dry, dusty and bland. It wouldn't nevertheless be appropriate for an article, but the appropriate style for the mainspace can't be always be expressed in such a simple way, there is usually some ground for differen styles, as long as this can contribute and doesn't interfere with the content, and it isn't just for the sake of fun. Personuser (talk) 12:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Change the name of an article that has been submitted for review but is not live yet

How do I change the name of an article that has been submitted for review but isn't live yet? I've read about the "move" button but I can't see it and think it's probably because it isn't live. The new name is available. Any help hugely appreciated. Fleurcazalet (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fleurcazalet: welcome to the Teahouse. You cannot move pages yourself yet – your account needs to be at least 4 days old, with at least 10 edits. I assume you are asking about Draft:Andrew David Barclay? It has not been submitted for review. To submit it, you need to click the "Submit the draft for review!" button. However, if it were reviewed now, it would not be accepted (and if you were to move it to the "live" encyclopedia, it would either be deleted or moved back to Draft space). There are no sources, which is a requirement especially in a biography of a living person, and there is no indication in the article about why the person is notable. Please read Your first article, a page that has a lot of information about the most important policies and guidelines to keep in mind when you create an article. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

If, after Draft:Andrew David Barclay is submitted for review, it were to be accepted for publication to mainspace the reviewer would do the move and the necessary tidy-up. Obviously at the moment the draft would not be accepted as it is unsourced. Try reading the advice at WP:your first article. You can't move it yourself because your account isn't auto-confirmed. If the draft were to be moved in its current state it would be liable to be deleted as there is no claim of notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

search results says there is a page, but it links to subsection of other page

Hello, I want to start the page Football at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's team squads, like there are pages for all the other Olympic games women's football squads. The problem is I can't because WP claims there is already a page like that. And when I click that I get a subsection of another page. So there are 2 issues; How can I start making the page and how do I remove the existing link? Dutchy45 (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Presumably you are aiming at producing a page similar to Football at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's team squads. When you have content available, supported by suitable references to published WP:reliable sources, the existing redirect can simply be replaced by the new content, see WP:RTOA. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I was aiming to do exactly that. Amusingly, somebody already made the page in the meantime! Thank you for the offered help anyway. Dutchy45 (talk) 10:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding Infobox to article: "Australian Aboriginal artefacts"

Hello there!

I would really like some help adding an info-box to an article I am working on as a part of my University Assignment. The article is titled Australian Aboriginal artefacts. I'm not sure what template to follow but I have tried to create my own in my sandbox. PippaHav (talk) 09:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)   (talk) 09:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!

PippaHav, welcome to the Teahouse! Perhaps the one at Natufian culture, Template:Infobox archaeological culture? There's more at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

PippaHav, your article is very worthwhile as it is, and would not be helped at all by having an infobox. Infoboxes are useful for certain kinds of article; yours isn't among these. (Your sample in User:PippaHav/sandbox isn't bad but would be utterly superfluous.) Incidentally, a minor formatting point: you have headings such as "Ornamental Artefacts"; however, Wikipedia "style" dictates that headings should be capitalized only "sentence style", thus "Ornamental artefacts". -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I won't add an info-box to my article then, and I'll change the capitalisation of my headings!PippaHav (talk) 11:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

That was fast work on the headings. Please stick around after you've completed the assignment: Wikipedia needs people like you. -- Hoary (talk) 12:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Rejection for not citing independent sources

In my first attempt of an article I have used Forbes, BBC, a tourism board (verifying existence), and 3 other independent sources. Why would this be rejected under the "verifiability" criteria? 82.7.50.252 (talk) 10:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft Draft:Dà Mhìle Distillery was declined not rejected, for reading like an advertisement. Theroadislong (talk) 10:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I had followed the same structure as a similar page that already exists (the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penderyn_distillery) by noting location, products, and brief timeline (aside from the using the word "inspired", maybe that?). I'll admit the Wiki UI, and ability to reply is a little hard to learn so apologies if this is the wrong place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanWales2 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Next Step for Creating Company Wikipedia Page

We are seeking help because in India & in Asia, this brand is now playing a key role in letting people know about entertainment opportunities in various countries and allowing people to book tickets on their mobile phones. Now that we have launched an OTT Platform, we would like on Wikipedia to know about the companies journey & contribution done to the Internet economy of the world.

Page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:BookMyShow

We have gone and seen the log of the page, an earlier draft was not correct and due to that the page was marked for delete. Now, in the current attached word document, we have followed all the guidelines laid down by Wikipedia, therefore, we need permission to create this page and remove the protected status for the topic that the administrators have placed.

Please suggest the next steps. Rishika65828941 (talk) 11:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

You seem to be under the impression that Wikipedia is a PR conduit. It is not. Your next step is to think about publicizing yourself on some other website. -- Hoary (talk) 11:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Appears multiple attempts to create an article about BookMyShow have been declined, dating back to 2018, and the topic 'salted', meaning that Administrator approval required to try again. See Wikipedia:Requests for page protection for process. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Though bear in mind, given you have failed to formally disclose your employment with BookMyShow and the company appears to be under the impression Wikipedia is a billboard, you're likely to be blocked and your request laughed off. In that order. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 14:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know where the right place to put this is

I got a message from a user called Wananana, but I don't know if this sort of thing is appropriate. Here is the message if you can handle it or you can tell me where to handle this sort of thing if it is in any way damaging. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 11:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Seahawks4Life: welcome to the Teahouse. No, that was not appropriate. I have warned the other user; if they don't stop immediately, an administrator might want to block them (since it looks like they are here just for childish vandalism anyway). You are of course free to remove the post from your user talk page. --bonadea contributions talk 11:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Thanks, and one more thing. Does Wikipedia have a place for dealing with this sort of thing? Thanks in advance. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 11:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 11:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I'm an idiot lol. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 11:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Seahawks4Life. First, you may remove the post from your user talk page if you want as explained here; there will still be a record of it in page's history that can be used as evidence later on, but you don't need to leave it visible on your user talk page. The editor in question has been indefinitely blocked by a Wikipedia administrator; so, there's not more that can be done to to that particular account at least in a Wikipedia sense. If they show up again, however, using another account and continue their WP:HARRASSMENT of you, then you can seek assistance here or as explained here. In a case like this, though, it might be better to seek assistance via email since anything you post on a Wikipedia page can be seen by pretty much anyone who wants to see it. Now, there's not much anyone on Wikipedia can really do about what happens out in the real world, but you might find some useful information here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

1. About removing the message from my talk page, someone already did that for me.
2. I found out the user has been blocked infinitely already, but thanks.
3. Thanks for the links. I will definitely consider it.

Hopefully this doesn't happen again. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 12:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

How to only edit infobox

Is there a way to only edit an infobox of an article? Right now, if I want to update an infobox I load the complete article code. HobiBalap (talk) 11:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The simplest thing to do is to navigate to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and tick the first box in the "Appearance" section. That gives an extra "edit" choice so you can edit just the first section of any article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

That was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much Mike Turnbull. HobiBalap (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Help with signatures

How do I make a custom signature? Because I want to create one of my own. 1989ChevyVan (talk) 14:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@1989ChevyVan: Check out WP:CUSTOMSIG. Cran32 (talk | contributions) 14:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC).

And use Snook's contrast checker to make sure you're not making life harder for people with sight problems. - X201 (talk) 15:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cran32: Ok does this work? 1989ChevyVan (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't see anything :/. Try going to your preferences page (top right), and entering what you're trying to do in the signature box. Cran32 (talk | contributions) 15:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Not big deal, but page is messed up

Can someone fix this page? Four Player Chess. I don't know how. Thanks! Bedfordres (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Jürgen Habermas

Is he still alive? If not, would someone who knows the facts please edit his page in the appropriate places. 108.51.210.87 (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)