Talk:Heroes (American TV series)

Wizard Universe interviews

Wizard Universe is publishing a series of Q&A interviews with the cast and writers over the next few days. The first Q&A with Jack Coleman was published today. These interviews may be good sources for references and additional article information. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 00:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The second interview, specifically the second page may or might not offer something. With regard Wizard stated: "One of Sylar’s powers was his ability to freeze someone, which implies that he killed someone who had that power." Writer Aron Coleite did not deny this, but wasn't really give much chance to respond to it directly, either. Not an encyclopedia grade slam donk, but something. Furthermore, question related to the Haitian was given the round about response that "he has a lot of control." Said response wasn't really a good answer for the question, which was basically "the Haitian’s powers are a little confusing", but at least said something concrete. Overall, I think we're probably not gonna get much. Jack Coleman gives great interviews from I've read, but otherwise, I'm not hopeful. Thanks for mentioning it, though. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

2007 Updates to the Page

This is kinda stubbed. I'm going to edit this while I'm at work. I added the Season 2 Premiere info. I think Canada has a 2007 Season 2 Premiere. Anyone care to quote a website? Imper1um 18:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't really understand this – the List of Heroes episodes lists all episodes, also those from 22 January on, for season 1. Also, Fallout didn't really seem like a real end of a season to me ... Can anyone enlighten me? --hangy 19:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason for that is because it isn't Season 2 thats being released, but part 2 of Season 1. Jacobshaven3 20:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Updated Chapter 1. I should have the entire episode Synopsis done tonite at 8:00 PM EST. Please add here if you see any problems with the page. Thanks --Imper1um 20:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a complete article about Genesis - no need to have the information twice ... --hangy 20:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The article isn't stubbey regarding the episode summaries, it's just condensed the current information, anything extra isn't really required, in my opinion. though other areas of the article may require more information, I'm not too sure. Jacobshaven3 20:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"Heroes" redirect

Hey. I just thought I'd give a heads up that the redirect page of Heroes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been fought over a bit. The issue, put simply, is whether it should redirect to Heroes (TV series) or Hero (disambiguation). You can see that page's talk for more details. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I toook a look, and the page was protected. I'd further say thanks to Ace for actually reverting the changes back. They were set to aim here, and Ace instead fixed the page to go back to the Hero Disambig. This edit helps show that the regular page editors are not fanboy zealots, but instead continue to be good contributors to Wikipedia who don't place excess value on our own pages. Seems like Ace's promise is in effect still. ThuranX 01:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I feel it should go to this page. Its the same as an issue I had with the Random Disambig page. It was changed so that looking up random would lead to the page on randomness, rather than the Random disambig page. If someone types in something, I think the benefit of the doubt should go with the word they type in rather than attempting to define what they "meant" WookMuff 01:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. I think it's right to redirect to Hero(disambig). There are many connotations to Heroes as a word. Giving hte widest sset of options is far better. Disambig pages function as a sort of index feature, and should be used whenever there's reasonable conflict. It's one click and a few lines to read as it is. Further, the page has been protected against redirecting here. You'd have to go appeal a decision at WP:RGM to get it redirected, apparently. I can tell you, though, that it's clear that two regular editors of this page will support the current disambiguation page redirect over going to a straight redirect. ThuranX 02:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Guys, could you take it to Talk:Heroes? Gees. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I was just weighing in :) I am done. WookMuff 07:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Zach's Homosexuality

Why is there still no mention on the decision to "de-gay" the character of Zach. Omitting this information from the article is clearly POV. It is "important" given that the producers felt the need to make a public statement about the issue. To ignore is clearly one-sided. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.87.64.214 (talk) 03:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Why haven't you added it yourself? We, as editors, aren't here at another's beck and call. Maybe we are busy. Maybe it would be in the best interests to input the information yourself, since you seem to have a good knowledge of it. I may get around to doing it later in the week though.Jacobshaven3 04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

There is absolutely no evidence or source that says that he was homosexual. His Myspace (which was created by the writers/creators) say that he is straight. Unless you can provide a source that states your claim, it cannot be added. As it is right now, it's perfectly sourced and NPOV. dposse 04:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I do agree with the original poster, he/she is correct. His old myspace was unsure and there are interviews around stating he was going to be gay, but higher powers changed minds at the last minute due to conflicting reasons. (most say the actors agent forced them to change since he was leaving to be a part of the new terminator tv series). However it will take time finding evidence, which is why I haven't already done so. Jacobshaven3 04:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

If you can find a WP:reliable source that says so, then go ahead. But lets do this encyclopedically, ok?dposse 04:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thats the exact reason I've not added it yet. :-) Jacobshaven3 12:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Tim Kring made statements in an interview about having a gay character before the show aired, and made a followup comment after the controversy happened. The NBC synopsis of the "save the cheerleader" episode also described Zach coming out to Claire, but was changed afterwards. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is a mention of it on the List of characters in Heroes page, which I think is a better place for it considering it is about the writer's choices regarding a character, not about the series itself. --ΨΦorg 23:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Why haven't I added it myself? The article cannot be edited by newly registered users, so that's why. You may want to drop the attitude. Remember Wikipedia's policy on Wikipedia:Civility. A reference to the issue is here [1] AND [2] 06:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.64.214 (talk • contribs) 00:48, January 20, 2007 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, I was being civil, where is this attitude problem you speak of? If editing is that important to you, why don't you create an account and wait for 4 days until you can edit pages, you would have already been able to edit by now had you done that. I find it quite offensive to be ordered around as though my time and the others here are at your disposal, and that is quite uncivil. You could quite have easily noted which sources are necessary and asked, politely, to edit the information in. As I have already said before, I'll see what I can do, unfortunately, I can't do more than that.Jacobshaven3 10:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, this is what I've gotten so far, but I'm worried it's OR (though I've only used information from the listed sources) and too long for the subject matter (I've not even mentioned the controversy yet). Can someone trim this and fix it, before it goes into the article please? I'll carry on next time I get a chance. Jacobshaven3 12:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't bother. You still have this attitude. No one was asking you to quit your job and spend all your free time on adding a one sentence summary. I didn't realize it was a federal crime in asking. If you were civil, you could have said, leve the links, or wait a few days, but no, you rant and rave about "I'm not your slave, beck and call, add it yourself." I sense a trace of homophobia in your tone and I suggest you examine your own biases. The article can stay POV if it makes you happy. Great community you have here, very welcoming to new comers. Note the sarcasm. 203.87.64.214 04:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this reply of yours is distinctly uncivil. Although you've bandied the term around liberally in the past few days, Jake's done a perfectly acceptable job of helping you while being civil. You, on the other hand, are attacking him for not jumping and asking how high when you say 'jump'. I'd suggest you take a few days to cool off, realize that we aren't here to do for you what you could easily do for yourself. Furthere, there's been a great deal of talk about this here on the talk page. Please read it. Thank you. ThuranX 04:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you ThuranX for the defense, I'd just like to add that, as an openly Bisexual wikipedian, I find being called homophobic incredibly narrow minded of you, and incredibly Uncivil. If you care to read the page you may notice that I've been promoting the addition of that information from the moment it was brought up. I just want to do it the correct, Wikipedian way, and as comprehensively as possible. Jacobshaven3 05:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Homosexuality Controversy

During the first half of Season One of Heroes, the character Zach, was portrayed as an in the closet homosexual. Despite this never being outright stated, many subtle, and not so subtle comments were made throughout the series. In the opening episode "Genesis", Jackie Wilcox teases him about having an erection in the locker room, and in the episode "Homecoming", he is outright called the "gay-boy." This lead many to believe he was gay, especially when further on in the episode "Homecoming" Zach told Claire that he was "proud of who he was" and he tells her, regarding her power, "You've got to embrace your inner freak ... the only thing you'll regret is denying who you really are."

Further evidence of Zach's sexual orientation can be found on his [official myspace profile], which classifies his orientation as unsure, and said his favourite films included, "Rocky Horror, Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Hedwig and the Angry Inch, Velvet Goldmine, Withnail and I." All of which have homosexual main characters.

I've seen two of those films and enjoyed them thoroughly, and I'm fairly positive that I'm not gay.69.17.59.214 04:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

However, controversy arose when NBC stated he was Heterosexual — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobshaven3 (talk • contribs)

We know all this already. It's already in his profile on List_of_characters_in_Heroes#Zach. However, all this supposed "evidence" is original research. This issue is dead. Zach was, as it says on his Myspace, "unsure". However, as NBC stated, he is straight. Just let it go. dposse 16:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How is this OR? I said I hadn't finished yet. the above poster gave evidence that there is controversy there, and everything written above was rewritten from those sources. It's just as an important case, if not more important, than the Lawsuit against them, which has an entire section to itself. Why shouldn't it be seen as important? Why do you insist that one sentence should do? I'm starting to understand why the IP has been getting frustrated with the people here! Jacobshaven3 17:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Because there is no reason to add more. It's not a huge part to his character. So, there was some bullying by the cheerleader. So, he was confused with his sexual preferences. He's a male teenage high school student. All that is normal. We have provided a reliable source that states that there was confusion over his sexual prefernces, and that NBC released a statement clearing it up. You are just, if i may use a cliche, beating a dead horse. There is nothing more that can be said about this issue. dposse 17:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand the situation. The situation isn't notable because he's gay, it's notable because the character was originally planned to be gay (which Kring himself said in an interview months ago), the show itself and materials like the myspace page foreshadowed that, but for some reason the character was changed to be straight. This caused an outcry from gay fans, which was reported in the press. I'm not sure what would be NOR about this, it has been documented by sources which include comments from Kring himself. In addition, the NBC website synopsis even said that the character came out in that episode, but the synopsis was changed. I definitely think the whole thing is notable (and not covered well by the character page), and definitely deserves more mention either in this article or the character article. --Milo H Minderbinder 18:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Three points...

• Notability: I would agree that it is notable because several media sources have asked the show's producer and writers about the change, including at the Television Critics Association winter press tour (one of the major press conferences for the networks) where Kring stated that Zach was originally intended to be gay. (Reference: Owen, Rob. (January 19, 2007) Tuned In: Can 'Heroes' continue to save the day for NBC? Pittburg Post-Gazette. Accessed on January 20, 2007.)
• Original Research: One cannot confirm that Zach was meant to be gay based on the aired show content. Although the cheerleaders teased him, Zach never stated to anyone that he was homosexual in the material that made it to air. One also cannot confirm that Zach was meant to be gay based on the official MySpace content. There are many straight and bisexual people who enjoy the same films with gay lead characters that Zach listed on his MySpace page. Even referencing Kring's pre-show Out.com interview is borderline original research because he states that he planned for a gay character but didn't mention specifically who it would be. So, up to this point I would concur with dposse that "Zach was intended to be gay" = original research. However, Kring has stated at the press tour specifically that Zach was intended to be gay. That statement is verifiable via the above reference, so now the topic is not completely original research.
• Location: The Emerson lawsuit is included on the main page because there's not a better Heroes article to include it with: the lawsuit affects the show and NBC / GE, not just the first episode. This issue deals specifically with the character of Zach, so it should be included in Zach's section of the character article.

- fmmarianicolon | Talk 19:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Fine. All i ask is that you don't try to pile one example after another and call it "fact". That's original research, and it's far from encyclopedic. This isn't a fan wiki where you can do those kinda things. Find reliable sources and verify this infomation that "the creators planned him to be gay" and not just wanted to create a character with a number of inside jokes. Otherwise, leave it out of the article. dposse 01:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yo. Easy up, D. We're all on the same side. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

International Broadcasters

Please add Philippines to the list of Asian Countries that will be premiering Heroes on January 31, 2007.

This is based from http://www.startv.com/schedule/daily.html?country=PH&feed=1c9b46a17677079c691a9b0af26bc683&year=2007&month=1&day=31 Template:Unsigned6

Heroes 360

• Last night among the many promos there were for next week's "Godsend" premiere, there was one talking about Heroes 360. All that was mentioned was you could "experience it" when Heroes returns and to check out the official NBC site. What is this? Should it be included in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 167.206.248.250 (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

google has nothing. [3] are you sure it wasn't a game for the Xbox 360? dposse 18:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• no it doesn't have anything to do with videogames. it says Heroes 360 (as in 360 degrees).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.248.250 (talk • contribs)

It's either an ARG, or you make a mistake. dposse 21:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I definitely don't think it should be in the article until we have much more detail about it.--NMajdan•talk 21:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess we won't find out until Monday. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.173.244.106 (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

You can find out more about the Heroes 360 here: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070119nbc01

--ΨΦorg 03:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it's definitely a brand new ARG! I'm excited about this. dposse 14:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Info on "the symbol"

hey everyone idk if this has been mentioned before but on NBC's myspace video section they have a video that says what the symbol means. here the link [4] ... since the episode with this info hasen't aired i'm unsure on hw to go about putting this info on the page ... im new. --Greg yeah 11:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Does being "new" cover the typing issues, too? >.> Seriously, though, this isn't a general explanation of the symbol. Notice that there arec subtle differences between the Japanese version and the regular version. For one, the lines on the "S" don't usually go through to each side. No, this is a specialize symbol with a specialized meaning. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 14:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That's hardly civil, ACS. It would be like me pointing out that you aren't new and made just as many typos. WookMuff 19:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Even so, I think it's much to early to compare the two symbols with that detail. There are so many ways to write letters in the English language, it's sickening. So, just because this version is slightly different from another version, doesn't mean it's not the same symbol. But, I'm not saying it is the same symbol either. It's too early to go either way. The similarity, though, should point that they are referring to the same thing. Time will tell. PureSoldier 20:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, for the most part. I'm not saying this a separate symbol so much as it has a distinct, separate meaning. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If it differs in meaning, I can understand that. Similar to the Nazi's taking the Swastika from other cultures, thus changing it's meaning. However, the Haitian, for example, could know the meaning behind what's on the sword, altered it for purely aesthetics value, and using it the same way. We don't know enough about why the Haitian (who, I believe is the only one that has the symbol intentionally) has the necklace, to make the assumption that it's a different meaning. Once we know why the Haitian has it, then we can make those comparisons. PureSoldier 23:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That’s what I figured was the case … and in other news I’ll start typing everything in Word first, then spell check it, and finally paste it here to ensure that there are no spelling or grammar errors ^_^ --Greg yeah 21:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the ticket, Greg. See, Wook? All in the spirit of selg improvement. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Good to note: based on the episode 'Godsend', the symbol is mentioned that it comes from the Japanese kanji 与 (yo), meaning award, gift, godsend etc. Shao-Yoshi

Update template at top of article

Dposse, I am confused as to why the {{update}} tag was added to the top of the article. Is there something specific in the article that is not up-to-date (prior to tonight's episode airing)? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 20:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Minus that "hiatus" statement—which was inherently wrong and poorly worded anyway—I can't see anytthing. Thus, I removed it. Tags shouldn't be used willy nilly. The article seems in good shape. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You should've asked this on my personal talk page. Anyway, i was unsure about what to do with the "hiatus" statement. I felt that simply deleting it was wrong. So, i left the update template there. Perhaps that wasn't very bold of me, i know. Sorry. dposse 00:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's an article issue. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a comment directed towards me, though. dposse 01:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)