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:{{ping|Antonis Theofanous}} Welcome to the Teahouse! Try reading [[Help:Referencing for beginners]], and check out the links in the "See also" section that correspond to how you are creating references. You may use references in a foreign language on the English Wikipedia (and adding a {{para|trans-title}} in English is helpful). Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 14:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
:{{ping|Antonis Theofanous}} Welcome to the Teahouse! Try reading [[Help:Referencing for beginners]], and check out the links in the "See also" section that correspond to how you are creating references. You may use references in a foreign language on the English Wikipedia (and adding a {{para|trans-title}} in English is helpful). Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 14:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::Please see [[Wikipedia:User pages]] for what can and cannot be on a User page. It is NOT for referenced, article-like content about you. Look at other editors' User pages to get a better idea. If you want to practice stuff, use your Sandbox. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
::Please see [[Wikipedia:User pages]] for what can and cannot be on a User page. It is NOT for referenced, article-like content about you. Look at other editors' User pages to get a better idea. If you want to practice stuff, use your Sandbox. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Hi [[User:Antonis Theofanous|Antonis Theofanous]]. Because your userpage was being used for this content, it was likely to be tagged for deletion and deleted at that location (under [[WP:CSD#U5|CSD U5). To avoid that result, I have taken the liberty of [[Help:Move|moving]] the page to the following location: [[User:Antonis Theofanous/sandbox]], where practicing will be okay. Although [[WP:SUBPAGES|subpages]] for use as [[Wikipedia:About the sandbox|sandboxes]] can be created at any title in your userspace (i.e., your exact username + a forward slash + some title), the title I've moved it to you should see linked at the top of the interface, under the name "Sandbox". Regarding your original question, in addition to the advice above, please see [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources]] (WP:NONENG) for the policy allowing use of non-English sources. Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 15:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
:::Hi [[User:Antonis Theofanous|Antonis Theofanous]]. Because your userpage was being used for this content, it was likely to be tagged for deletion and deleted at that location (under [[WP:CSD#U5|CSD U5]]). To avoid that result, I have taken the liberty of [[Help:Move|moving]] the page to the following location: [[User:Antonis Theofanous/sandbox]], where practicing will be okay. Although [[WP:SUBPAGES|subpages]] for use as [[Wikipedia:About the sandbox|sandboxes]] can be created at any title in your userspace (i.e., your exact username + a forward slash + some title), the title I've moved it to you should see linked at the top of the interface, under the name "Sandbox". Regarding your original question, in addition to the advice above, please see [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources]] (WP:NONENG) for the policy allowing use of non-English sources. Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 15:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Help with signatures
How do I make a custom signature? Because I want to create one of my own. 1989ChevyVan (talk) 14:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @1989ChevyVan: Check out WP:CUSTOMSIG. Cran32 (talk | contributions) 14:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC).
- And use Snook's contrast checker to make sure you're not making life harder for people with sight problems. - X201 (talk) 15:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Cran32: Ok does this work? 1989ChevyVan (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see anything :/. Try going to your preferences page (top right), and entering what you're trying to do in the signature box. Cran32 (talk | contributions) 15:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @1989ChevyVan: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you checkmark the box underneath your custom sig that says "Treat the above as wiki markup"? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: Ok. How about now? 1989ChevyVan (talk | contribs) 16:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @1989ChevyVan: Nope, not seeing any difference. What is it supposed to look like? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, it has contrib's now. Pelagic ( messages ) – (05:14 Sun 30, AEST) 19:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: Ok. How about now? 1989ChevyVan (talk | contribs) 16:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Cran32: Ok does this work? 1989ChevyVan (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Adding photos to an existing Wikipedia page
Courtesy link: Intertype Corporation
The Wikipedia "Intertype Corporation" page has a couple of photos. I have 16 photos I took during 1966 while on a tour of the Intertype manufacturing facility in Brooklyn, N.Y. Would any of them be appropriate (and worthy) for use on the aforementioned Wiki page? I would donate them freely. If not on the page, perhaps in the Reference section at the bottom of the page? Here is a link to my photos, including a description: https://coutant.com/intertype/ Thank you. Stan Coutant Cmfwyp Vbgkqj (talk) 22:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cmfwyp Vbgkqj, you can surely add photos there. You might also find reading WP:IMAGES helpful. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 03:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cool photos. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 09:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cmfwyp Vbgkqj, if you are willing to freely license the photos, then I suggest that you upload them to our sister project Wikimedia Commons. I think that there are too many for the article, but the best of them could be used. And we can add a link to a Commons page showing them all, for readers who want to see more. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cool photos. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 09:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Deletion to article
I refer to article People educated at North Sydney Boys High School. Many persons have contributed over the years to a long list with proper substantive references. But recently the article was "prune to include only those with a separate article on themselves. This resulted in some deletions of notables worthy of articles in their own right but presently none exist. As the mass deletion was not reversed by a supervising editor, does this mean such a mass deletion is acceptable? When I clicked undo, that operation is prevented by subsequent alterations. Reversal only possible manually – a very laborious task made unattractive by possibility of same end result. Your comments would be helpful. Saki0710 (talk) 09:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Saki0710. We don't have an article on People educated at North Sydney Boys High School. Do you mean List of Old Boys of Sydney Boys High School? I don't see that any have been "mass deleted" recently, but if they were it was probably in persuance of Wikipedia's policy WP:ALUMNI, which please read. By all means create the articles for any additional people, and then add them to the list.--Shantavira|feed me 10:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your "recently" was misleading. There was a significant removal of names in 2015. The reasoning was valid then and valid now - alumni are listable if an article about them exists. There can be exceptions. In the list in question, a ref confirms that some became Rhodes Scholars, so names listed despite no articles. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Sorry I made a major error in my posting! Article title should have read List of Old Falconians for which there was a mass deletion/pruning on 9 March 2021. The article in its previous form was subject to scrutiny by a number of supervising editors over the years (I know because they contacted me) but suddenly runs foul of one. That is disheartening as years of work disappears. And since I posted another name Peterson has been deleted with reason unreferenced. How can that be valid when the link is clearly made to a separate subject article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saki0710 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Courtesy link: List of Old Falconians, diff. Probably different school, but similar policies may apply Personuser (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Saki0710. The first sentence of List of Old Falconians says "This is a list of notable Old Falconians". (Emphasis added). "Notable" in this context means "already has a Wikipedia biography". This standard does not apply just to this article, but also to all of the tens of thousands of alumni lists on this encyclopedia. Without this standard, alumni lists would devolve to gigantic, sprawling lists of every person who attended, and the lists for prestigious universities would be filled with con artists trying to falsify their credentials. You mention "supervising editors" but there is no such title on Wikipedia. All editors are equal, although some are more experienced and knowledgeable than others. Nobody has the power to give a final stamp of approval to any content, and if poorly referenced or inappropriate content is discovered, then it should be removed. All the information is still present in the history of the article, and you are welcome to write well-referenced policy compliant articles about any who are actually notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Blacklisted sites
Hi, I have been trying to work on the Debate article seeing as it is quite big and needs a lot of work. While things have been going well, but, the article was extremely lacking in sources, and thus I have been working on flushing that out. However, one of my sources "idebate", got flagged because of a blocked site called "bidebate". Obviously, they are not the same site, but the system is still flagging it. Any solutions? Thanks for the help! Willthehelpfuleditor (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Willthehelpfuleditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can request it be unblocked at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note that it is idebate.org which is blacklisted. The entry says
\bidebate\.org\b
where\b
means word boundary. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note that it is idebate.org which is blacklisted. The entry says
Got it, I'll just find another source (I didn't realize the \b), if it is blacklisted, I am sure there is a good reason. Thanks for the help Willthehelpfuleditor (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Article rating
Hello. I've expanded Rosa - A Horse Drama. If everything is OK I think it can be uprated. How do I request that or is simply sit back and wait? I've left a note on the Opera project page to same effect. Thanks. Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Thelisteninghand. Two of the references are bare URLs. I would expand those to full references before thinking about uprating the article. There is also a typographical error in the final reference. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi and thanks. I fixed those problems. The article is now rated C-class which makes me very happy. Tea all round. Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Fujifilm S1730 Digital camera article
Hello, i am working on an article for the following digital camera model:
Fujifilm S1730 Digital Bridge camera
You can view the WIP article by clicking the link above or by manually navigating to my user sandbox.
I am, however, having trouble locating reviews from reputable sources to add the article, so far i have only found the camera model listed on a digital camera database website, i have been unable to find it on Dpreview or any other photography website, it seems this model of camera has dropped off the face of the earth, or more exactly it was a cheap model on sale in the early 2010's for about £200 so it likely didn't garner much attention from 'serious' photographers, the camera is real though, i have one i bought from a charity shop a few years ago, and while it seems very similar in design to other models in the range from the same era i do not want to share specs for obvious reasons (aside from the one picture on my article, which will likely change).
I will appreciate it if you can find any information on this camera from reputable sources, as i said i have only been able to find it listed on a camera database website, other then that it's some passing mentions and the page on Fuji's site is likely long gone by now.
PS: I added the S1730 to the FinePix S-series article for you OGWFP (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- OGWFP, are you aware that every Wikipedia article is entirely based on independent, reliable, published, in-depth sources? This means that your knowledge of this camera may not be used as the basis for your article. If no published sources exist, then, unfortunately, no article is possible.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- OGWFP, though your explorations wouldn't suit Wikipedia, it may be possible to add them beneficially to Camera-Wiki (which is entirely independent of Wikipedia, but is similar in being noncommercial and using Mediawiki software). -- Hoary (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you everyone for the kind words and help, i do agree that Camera wiki is a better place for articles about specific camera models so i will look into signing up, and i'm guessing that all camera articles on here are models that have been mentioned in published reputable, reliable sources?
- OGWFP (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- They are supposed to be, OGWFP, but sometimes inadequately sourced articles sneak in under the radar, or have hung around since Wikipedia's early years when standards were more lax. If you encounter such articles, you are welcome to find and add sources (if you feel inclined to do so) and/or to place an appropriate warning template on the article, and/or to propose the article for deletion. Sometimes, mentioning such an article here or on the Help desk may prompt someone to take similar actions, though it's not the official route, so to speak. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.163.176 (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello, does it really take 4+ months to get the Draft reviewed? Spicyramens (talk) 00:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Spicyramens and welcome to the Teahouse. The wikiproject that reviews and accepts/declines new articles has a backlog of 4,904. It's really unfortunate that you've had to wait this long, but hopefully you'll get some feedback soon. Clovermoss (talk) 01:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Spicyramens:, this is a great question. There really is no specific timeframe for a draft to be reviewed; Wikipedia receives thousands of drafts every day. It does take time for the editors to sift through them all— sometimes drafts are pure vandalism— so yes, it may take up to six months for your draft to be reviewed. In the meantime, keep working on it. I suggest having a look at WP:FIRST to fill in any gaps, and WP:PCR to help you with expanding it. Hope I’ve been of some help. 😇 🐍Helen🐍 01:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- To be more specific than answered by Clovermoss and HelenDegenerate, the backlog is not a queue. Drafts can be reviewed in days, weeks, or (sadly) months. All depends on what each reviewer chooses to pick next (with some bias toward keeping an eye on the oldest drafts). P.S. I doubt Wikipedia receives thousands of drafts every day. Can anyone put a number on that? David notMD (talk) 01:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- What is your connection to Draft:Tim Heatley? It was created in February by an editor suspected of being a paid editor. You submitted it to AfC in April, although you did no prior editing of the draft. David notMD (talk) 02:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I do not know how many are created each day, but most are taken care of in the first hour with quick declines and speedy deletions. Around 30ish enter the backlog, and depending on how carefully a particular draft needs to be considered, it may be reviewed the next day, next week, next month or in sixth months. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Submissions. It between two and three hundred per day, some days a little less. RudolfRed (talk) 04:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- But please be advised that the stats there are simply the number of elements in the AfC date categories (for example Category:AfC submissions by date/29 May 2021) which don't include speedy deleted drafts after the category element count is updated the next time. You have to view the deletion log for that, which shows over 100 draft deletions in the last like 8 hours. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Victor Schmidt: Thank you for that extra information and clarification! RudolfRed (talk) 17:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- But please be advised that the stats there are simply the number of elements in the AfC date categories (for example Category:AfC submissions by date/29 May 2021) which don't include speedy deleted drafts after the category element count is updated the next time. You have to view the deletion log for that, which shows over 100 draft deletions in the last like 8 hours. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Submissions. It between two and three hundred per day, some days a little less. RudolfRed (talk) 04:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- To be more specific than answered by Clovermoss and HelenDegenerate, the backlog is not a queue. Drafts can be reviewed in days, weeks, or (sadly) months. All depends on what each reviewer chooses to pick next (with some bias toward keeping an eye on the oldest drafts). P.S. I doubt Wikipedia receives thousands of drafts every day. Can anyone put a number on that? David notMD (talk) 01:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Spicyramens:, this is a great question. There really is no specific timeframe for a draft to be reviewed; Wikipedia receives thousands of drafts every day. It does take time for the editors to sift through them all— sometimes drafts are pure vandalism— so yes, it may take up to six months for your draft to be reviewed. In the meantime, keep working on it. I suggest having a look at WP:FIRST to fill in any gaps, and WP:PCR to help you with expanding it. Hope I’ve been of some help. 😇 🐍Helen🐍 01:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
David notMD Yes, I am connected to Tim Heatley. Do I need to do something about it? Please send the instructions. Spicyramens (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Spicyramens I have placed instructions on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- He does not look notable. He built some properties. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Seeking Editing Advice/Suggestions
Hi There!
I am a student who is new to Wikipedia. One of my courses consists of editing and updating the Geophilus Flavus Wikipedia page, I was wondering if anyone would be able to provide me with some feedback or suggestions to help me improve this page? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Witchruby (talk) 03:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Witchruby: You and your instructor should read Wikipedia:Student_assignments. Make sure any changes you make are backed up by citations to reliable sources. You may want to try the WP:TUTORIAL or learning game at WP:ADVENTURE. RudolfRed (talk) 04:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Witchruby. If you truly want to improve Geophilus flavus, then you need to familiarize yourself with the full range of scientific literature discussing the species, and use your critical reading skills to sort the articles thst devote significant coverage to the species from those that just mention it in passing. Immerse yourself in that significant coverage, and summarize it in the article, giving due weight to contradictory descriptions, adding references to any reliable sources that you have uncovered that are not already in the article. This type of article about a little known species should constitute an authoritative survey of the published academic literature. Your work will then become a great benefit to any future scholar who chooses to study this species in greater depth. Perhaps you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Here are three easy ways to improve the Geophilus flavus article:
- Ensure that the name Geophilus flavus is correctly capitalised and italicised wherever it appears in the article.
- Remove "the" from before it, throughout the article.
- Convert the section headers to "sentence case".
- Maproom (talk) 07:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- We had another Teahouse questioner who was putting "the" in front of the species name. I wonder if this usage is coming from the course instructor? Pelagic ( messages ) – (08:39 Sun 30, AEST) 22:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, Witchruby, congrats on expanding the article; I think it reads quite well now! Where "Geophilus flavus" is repeated multiple times in a paragraph, you can (but don't have to) abbreviate subsequent mentions as "G. flavus". Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:14 Sun 30, AEST) 00:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Pelagic,
Thanks for this feedback! And thank you for the suggestion re. G.flavus. If you're willing I'd be very grateful if you could evaluate the Article for C-class standard?
Kind thanks
--Witchruby (talk) 02:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
About newspaper sources
I declined a draft Draft:Sushil Chandra Roy Chowdhury because it only cited newspaper sources with zero other online sources. The way these references are written is also very vague from what I see and I couldn't accept and agree on those just in good faith. What if these are just randomly written and the alleged print sources don't exist! But what if the creator has these newspaper images; they are pretty old so I doubt that they have it but the creator has claimed so on my talk page. I can't ask them to upload it on commons since they won't own copyrights of it I guess. What do in such a case? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 03:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Nomadicghumakkad: Sources do not need to be online. If you doubt the veracity of an offline source, you can ask at WP:RX for someone to check on it. If I misunderstood your question, please clarify. RudolfRed (talk) 03:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed, Nomadicghumakkad, sources don't need to be online. But there are some problems here. I notice that:
- his "Auto Switch" is mentioned as something other than his "Automatic Time Switch" but goes undescribed
- he's described as having employed the government of India [not vice versa?]
- he's described as a "genius"
- each of the references is extraordinarily vague [title of article? page number(s)?]
- nothing in the article is attributed to any of these references in particular
- he's described as "forgotten" [except, perhaps, among his descendants?]
- the biographee and the biographer share the same surname
- -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello Hoary, There is a clear WP:COI. My assumption is that he is from the same family line. And apart from that the article has all sorts of other problems like you have highlighted. My question is:
- If someone cites a printed source and give title, name of newspaper, date etc but provides otherwise no evidence that this source existed; do we accept that in good faith and not doubt it?
- What if the creator is claiming that he has newspaper clips/images of the said source, can he upload those on commons or somewhere? I think this one has already done it. See here [1].
Please guide. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 07:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Teahouse notifications
Hi. Is there a way I can get notification when someone answers my question at teahouse. If someone uses {{U|Vhhhhjhgy}} then I get a notification else no notification is received. Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 04:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Vhhhhjhgy. Unless someone pings you, you cannot get a specific notification. But you can add the Teahouse to your watchlist. You can then see the most recent edit to the Teahouse whenever you take a look at your list. That may or may not be in response to your comment, but it facilitates checking. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Vhhhhjhgy: Welcome to the Teahouse. It is easy to occasionally forget to 'ping' someone so that they are notified of a reply - and many people try to answer questions here without realising this is immensely helpful to a newcomer. But those of us who have signed up as 'Hosts' should know to welcome every editor and especially to WP:PING them in their reply. If they forget to do that, these hosts can also install a special 'Talkback' tool which quickly leaves a note on the talk page of the original poster. I will do that now for you to demonstrate. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Request For Feedback
Not sure if this is the right forum for this, but I have been improving the article on the Val sans retour over the past few moths for a university course and would love some feedback, specifically to see if the article can be upgraded to a C or B-class, and if not, where it would require further improvement. I'm not sure where to reach out to for this kind of feedback. Thank you! Antknight (talk) 04:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's unclear to me what the article is meant to be about: a specific valley in Morbihan, or the subject of Arthurian legend. Anyway, section headers should be in sentence case. Maproom (talk) 07:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Installing redwarn
Hello. I was about to install redwarn. Then a message displaying Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content capable of compromising your account.. Is there any problem if I install this. Does this show up for all users? Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 05:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla, yes, it shows for everyone, it is warning you that code can be malicious and prevent you from editing. RedWarn is safe to install. Enjoy your stay at Wikipedia and welcome to the teahouse. Heart (talk) 06:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot HeartGlow30797. Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla (talk) 06:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
When is a subject considered to be qualified for an article
Hi all, My first week on Wikipedia. Advanced apologies if the following question has been asked and answered before: An article I submited got rejected because the references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. I disagree, because there is significant coverage about the subject on reliable and independent publications. I read through the guidelines, and to me it seems the references are quite solid.
What could I be doing better? Would adding more references help? Please guide me to any helpful articles/guides.
Thanks in advance. Aalapvyas (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- My assessment of your sources (guide):
- https://www.afaqs.com/news/media/30446_defining-moments-g-krishnan-looking-in-the-mirror is useless for notability (connexion to subject). The article is written in the first-person and every indication is that Krishnan wrote or at least dictated it.
- https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/former-tv-today-ceo-g-krishnan-to-strike-out-on-his-own-112061400011_1.html is okay.
- https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/tv-today-ceo-g-krishnan-quits-111090200059_1.html is useless for notability (unknown provenance). Who exactly wrote this?
- https://www.rukmanitrust.org/about-us/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). It's the About Us page for an organisation he sits on the board of.
- https://www.adgully.com/g-krishnan-bids-adieu-to-tv-today-network-47618.html is useless for notability (unknown provenance) and is made redundant by the Business Standard source.
- https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/aaj-tak-rules-telly-awards-62125-2009-12-02 is borderline. Are there no better sources that cover this?
- Your sources are not as unimpeachable as you think. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 07:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- "Would adding more references help?" No. The problem isn't the number of references, it's their quality, as Jéské has pointed out. You need better references, not more references. Maproom (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- A distinction - your draft was Declined, not Rejected. The latter is a harsher evaluation of the potential for the draft to succeed. David notMD (talk) 11:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- "Would adding more references help?" No. The problem isn't the number of references, it's their quality, as Jéské has pointed out. You need better references, not more references. Maproom (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Page Protection
I need help getting a page protected that is being vandalized as I am typing this non-stop by trolls. Can someone guide me? Page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_L._Bissell_Jr. Cha20raca (talk) 07:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Cha20raca. It looks to me like you are edit warring to add somebody's aunt's name as a relative of someone involved with a crime. Am I right? If so, please read the policy on biographies of living people, which forbids that type of edit. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi and thank you so much for responding to me. The person who is causing the issues is using three different names. She is not a relative of a criminal, factually she is the niece of the woman who is pertinent to the wikipedia on Nicholas Bissell, Jr. I appreciate so much your help. Cha20raca (talk) 07:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Irrelevant. Cite a source that verifies this or cease adding it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 07:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I am not the one who wrote irrelevant. This person is the troll that is vandalizing the page. Is there away to temporarily lock the page? Cha20raca (talk) 07:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- You're the one adding unsourced claims about living people. 3RR does not apply to removing obvious BLP-violating content, so technically you are the one edit-warring to include material that should be removed on sight. You are the one in the wrong. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 07:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I am not the one who wrote irrelevant. This person is the troll that is vandalizing the page. Is there away to temporarily lock the page? Cha20raca (talk) 07:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Irrelevant. Cite a source that verifies this or cease adding it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 07:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi and thank you so much for responding to me. The person who is causing the issues is using three different names. She is not a relative of a criminal, factually she is the niece of the woman who is pertinent to the wikipedia on Nicholas Bissell, Jr. I appreciate so much your help. Cha20raca (talk) 07:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Article is short-term locked. Editors have been warned about edit-warring. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cha20raca All mention of Brenda Wolf removed from the article. Please do not put any of that back. There is a warning on your Talk page. That one case has nothing to do with why there is an article about Bissell. David notMD (talk) 22:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
why my article is not published?
i have confirmed all the informations but still my article is not published please publish my article. Bhugrii321 (talk) 08:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Bhugrii321 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review the note left by the reviewer. You may also want to read Your First Article; writing a new article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. You may also want to use the new user tutorial, and review this guide to citing sources. 331dot (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Beg to differ, 331dot. Though creating an article is indeed hard, altering a policy is a harder task. -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but most new users are not interested in altering policies. :) 331dot (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Beg to differ, 331dot. Though creating an article is indeed hard, altering a policy is a harder task. -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Bhugrii321, your Draft:Sathou was declined, once. The reviewer gave a reason. Since that time you haven't made any change to the draft. I don't understand why the draft should be reconsidered, if it hasn't been improved since it was declined. Have you even read what Nearlyevil665 wrote? And there are plenty of problems with it that Nearlyevil665 didn't mention. (One point: What do you mean by "[45]", "[135]", etc.? Another: Am I just imagining this, but is the content written by more than one person? [Are quotation marks perhaps needed?]) -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Seperate content subsection
In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_psychology , there is, apart from the template to show the sections of the article, a section containing the different sections of the article. I don't think this is the standard for articles, should the section "contents" be deleted? CrashKnight04 (talk) 09:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi CrashKnight04. Yes this should be removed. It seem this was added when a new user, who had pasted content from the draft into a sandbox to make good faith improvements, created this section manually by copying the article text rather than its underlying code. (The sandbox copying was also a [clearly unwitting] copyright violation, which I will handle). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:16, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Bobby Joe Long
There is an inappropriate link (10 petrifying facts...) at the end ?porn who removes it? 146.70.30.197 (talk) 12:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Removed. You could have done it yourself by clicking on Edit and deleting the content. David notMD (talk) 12:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Offensive name
Offensive name Ivanpat (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC) Good day I wish to report an issue that has potential to be offensive. The reference is;
Citrus hystrix, called the kaffir lime, makrut lime, Thai lime or Mauritius papeda, is a citrus fruit native to tropical Southeast Asia and southern China. Its fruit and leaves are used in Southeast Asian cuisine and its essential oil is used in perfumery. Its rind and crushed leaves emit an intense citrus fragrance. Wikipedia
The word kaffir is offfensive in the Southern African context and is in fact banned. One can Report a person using it and the offender can be sentenced to jail or a fine. Your own definition define it as a racial term:
Kaffir (racial term) - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Kaffir_(racial_term) Post-apartheid South Africa — Kaffir is a term used to refer to black Africans in South Africa. In the form of cafri, it evolved during the pre-colonial...
Could it please be removed from its reference to makrut (Asian lime) and Wikipedia be discouraged from using it
- Kaffir lime is a widely used term, and so Wikipedia should include it in the article, even if it may be offensive to some readers. See also: Wikipedia is not censored. Kleinpecan (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The article is Kaffir lime. Within it, the origin is described and mention is made that because of the offensive meaning of "kaffir," makrut line or Thai lime is also used. David notMD (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Articles for deletion
From archive 1108: "Because unregistered editors cannot create pages in the Wikipedia namespace, they cannot nominate articles for deletion". I don't see how this is a "because" scenario. "Because my car is red, I can't have pancakes today". Can someone please explain that deletion thing? Not the car thing, but mmmm, pancakes. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 12:21, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion requires creation of a nomination page in the Wikipedia namespace. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to nominate a single page for deletion says how unregistered users can request it so it's a little inaccurate to say they cannot nominate articles for deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Gallery
Hello, I came across the gallery section in Ini Dima-Okojie and noted that it was quite lengthy. I know wikipedia is not a repository of images so I want to know if anything should be done about this.TheSokks(talk) 13:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- All these images were added very recently by Dynacorp. Assuming that they were indeed taken by that editor (as the Commons licensing information asserts) I think that the more normal process would be to assign them all to a Commons category, which hasn't been done, and then add that category information plus perhaps a couple of the actual photographs to the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Some at least of these images look like album or magazine covers, so may well be copyright violations. Dynacorp needs to respond quickly about this, so I'll leave a message on their Talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Another editor has now reverted all these recent changes to the article, assuming they were WP:COPYVIO. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull I also suspected COPYVIO was at play. Thank you for your time. TheSokks(talk) 13:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Another editor has now reverted all these recent changes to the article, assuming they were WP:COPYVIO. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Some at least of these images look like album or magazine covers, so may well be copyright violations. Dynacorp needs to respond quickly about this, so I'll leave a message on their Talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: All of the images have been mass deleted at the Commons.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Doesn't "dynacorp" sound like a username violation? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Image
There is an image used in an article that presents information without sources, is this image, in which most of the countries in green under the label "Countries and dependencies with views of private businesses only", all this information has no source, apparently for some time, people added countries without taking into account reliable sources, I would like to remove this information as it has no sources, but I do not know how to edit the image. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 14:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Tim Heatley
Courtesy link: Draft:Tim Heatley
Hey, I declared the COI. Can someone review it now? I will edit and create other articles that I am not connected too! Spicyramens (talk) 14:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Spicyramens Teahouse hosts are not draft reviewers (well, a few are). Regardless, the draft is one of thousands waiting for a reviewer. As mentioned earlier, the system is not a queue. Can be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. You can edit existing articles and create more drafts. In my opinion, many of the references are only name-mentions of Heatley, or are interviews, neither being types that confirm notability. Heatley should not be quoted (Wikipedia care naught for what Heatley thinks or says). You did not write the draft, but you submitted it. I strongly suggest you work on improving the draft while waiting for a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- He does not look notable. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
My spelling edits keep getting reverted
I was on Wikipedia fixing typos for articles, but then I noticed that my edits kept being reverted back to the incorrect spelling even if it's correct, what's going on? Pink Saffron (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, Pink Saffron. You failed to give any diffs, but I can see some good examples of what you're referring to. It's usually a combination of WP:ENGVAR plus the fact that a lot of people simply can't spell correctly, yet think they can! If it's clearly fixing a plain 'wrong' spelling in any culture, feel free to revert again and to leave an explanatory note for them. Obviously, you'll not be helping if you change colour to color, or vice versa. Sometimes(especially in quotations) you might wish to use
{{notatypo}}
.Nick Moyes (talk) 15:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Pink Saffron. Many of your spelling correction have stuck (thank you!), so (as indicated above) it would be really helpful if you advised which reverts/articles prompted your question. Regardless, looking into the issue by anyone would likely target looking at the page histories of the articles involved, the specific diffs (short for "differences") of the reverts found in those page histories, as well as their accompanying edit summaries, if any—all to learn why the reverts took place. My apologies if you are already familiar with these matters, but since I think a knowledge of those parts of the interface are key to answering your question, I'm hoping providing these three links will be helpful to you. One example: looking at the diffs and edit summaries shown in the histories of both Intermittent fasting and V (New York City Subway service) shows that both of the reverts involved were to earlier revisions of the articles, done to remove substantive changes to the prose by another editor (whose additions contained spelling errors that you subsequently fixed), which changes the 'reverters' didn't think should be included at all. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, @Pink Saffron, thanks for you spelling fixes! I used tag filter "mw-reverted" on your contributions [2] and there are not too many, given the numerous edits that you have made. Looking at the history for the most recent example [3], I see the other editor reverted your spelling fix to match the article title, then realised that you were right and they moved the article to the correct spelling. A few others I checked at random are multi-undo's, same as the ones @Fuhghettaboutit noted, so that seems to be the most common cause. If someone reintroduces a spelling error in that way and doesn't correct it themselves, feel free to fix it again. On the other hand, if they revert you specifically, then you might want to open a discussion. Pelagic ( messages ) – (11:36 Sun 30, AEST) 01:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
@keyframes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes#%40keyframes Harsh Rathod Poke me! 15:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Harshrathod50: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may be able to get more technical help at the technical village pump. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks! Harsh Rathod Poke me! 16:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft help
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhemabhai_Chaudhary?markasread=219149945&markasreadwiki=enwiki Please fix this problem NBC 84 (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @NBC 84: The reviewer is correct here, brother. Carefully read all the policies which are mentioned by him. Not a single reference in your draft is solely dedicated to the subject (the person) in question. Just because someone is a member of a political party does not make him a notable person. There should be written pieces/articles (at least five of them from very highly recognized sources) which talk only about him. I know it is a very salty experience to get something that you've worked on with dedication to get rejected like it was nothing. But this is the reality. Face it. Good luck with your future article submissions. 😉 Harsh Rathod Poke me! 16:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- One more suggestion: cite only those sources written in the English language because, obviously, this is an English wikipedia. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 16:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Harshrathod50: That is not necessary. English language references are preferred, but foreign language references are allowed. RudolfRed (talk) 17:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The relevant policy subsection is WP:NOTENG. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Harshrathod50: That is not necessary. English language references are preferred, but foreign language references are allowed. RudolfRed (talk) 17:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed and Tenryuu: That is just my suggestion. Simple. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 07:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
What is the best coffee maker under 100 $ machines in 2021?
Carolagee875 (talk) 16:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- You're in the wrong place. This is not Which?. Bishonen | tålk 16:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC).
- Which looks really interesting! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Graeme McLagan: Turning a name blue
I have added some info to an article originally created by myself. However, a name in the additional material has not turned blue, even though the person referenced has an entry. What have I not done? Christopher michell (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Graeme McLagan. I see four ref Wikilinks, but none are a name of a person. P.S., The book titles in the article should be italicized rather than in quotes. David notMD (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Christopher michell, I'm guessing you mean Keeley Hawes. You added it as plain text. It will not automatically turn blue when the article is created. Had you added it with brackets, it would have originally been a redlink, and that would automatically turn blue upon creation of the article. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
In Taxon Box 'Type Species': Should not the species cited there also be included in discussion listing?
96.54.23.37 (talk) 19:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please clarify what you refer to, and include relevant links. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
My draft
Is my Zoopals draft ready for article space? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JennilyW/Zoopals I added some info and added cations, but I can't find any cations for Zoopals Bowls and utensils. Dose anyone know where or the easiest way I can get cations? Thanks! 🍓⋆JennilyW♡🍧 (talk) 19:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @JennilyW: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure as to what you mean by "cations", but you may want to look for higher-quality sources; some of the references that you've cited look like press releases, which don't contribute to a subject's notability.
- When talking about style, decapitalise the first letter in your wikilinks. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @JennilyW: In my opinion, the simple answer to your question is a definite "No". You've not included any citations that are unconnected with the packaging business or sales environment. Therefore, it fails our Notabilty criteria in its present form. A couple of extra lines in the Hefty article might be justified, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED, so independent sources would be needed before this article is ready for mainspace. I'm sorry to disappoint. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Should these "references" be taken out?
For the page Go Fridge, I see that there are a lot of "references" at the bottom. However, they look more like footnotes describing a person, rather than references. Should they be removed or moved somewhere else? Chuandmi (talk) 01:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- No need to delete the footnotes, Chuandmi. I tend to prefer separating footnotes out from references when there are a lot of them. If there's only one or two then I often don't bother. One way to achieve this would be to change <ref> to {{efn}}, and create a separate Notes section. Pelagic ( messages ) – (11:58 Sun 30, AEST) 01:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks! I noticed that most footnotes are after a person's name, but that person's name is hyperlinked anyways so it's redundant. For example, reference number 36 and 37 essentially states who that person is. Can those be removed? Also some footnotes like 42 are used on someone who does not have a wiki page. Does that footnote need to have a reference or should it be removed entirely? Chuandmi (talk) 18:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Wolfgang Klaehn (Klähn) (Oct. 13, 1929 – June 30, 2019). Painter from Hamburg, Germany.
J.D. Usandivaras (talk) 01:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wolfgang Klähn (Q2590246). He has an article on German Wikipedia but not other languages. Pelagic ( messages ) – (12:02 Sun 30, AEST) 02:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oops, forgot ping J.D. Usandivaras. — Pelagic ( messages ) – (12:03 Sun 30, AEST) 02:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @J.D. Usandivaras: Welcome to Wikipedia. Did you have a question about your draft at Draft:Wolfgang Klaehn? RudolfRed (talk) 02:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I looked at Draft:Wolfgang Klaehn and cleaned it up a bit. It contains no sources, J.D. Usandivaras to get the article published, you will need to add sources. However, in a search I saw no reliable sources online. --- Possibly (talk) 06:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Rating wikipedia articles
Hi, I'm trying to have my wikipedia article On China reviewed for an assignment. I tried to put in DYK section but don't know if I did correctly. Could anyone help me with how to get the article reviewed. Thanks for any help. Clancoo (talk) 02:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Clancoo: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you mean by On China being your article; it's been around since 2012. The article is already in mainspace, so there's no need for it to be reviewed, unless you're thinking of giving it a special designation like good article or featured article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: Sorry I should of said article I worked on. Yes, I was hoping to get it rated, as i have brought it from a stub to a filled article. How can I go about that? Thanks for your help.
- Clancoo: the second sentence of the second paragraph of On China, starting "The book opens", is oddly punctuated, and I can't find a sensible way to parse it. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- ... and the "Criticism" section needs thorough copy-editing. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I changed the rating to C-class. With a bit of work, might be B, but that decision should be made by an editor familiar with the topic. Your submission failed at DYK (see Template:Did you know nominations/On China). The increase in prose length was sufficient, but DYK rules require that work be completed within 7 days. By the time you had applied to DYK, already too late. David notMD (talk) 08:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- ... and the "Criticism" section needs thorough copy-editing. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- "Whilst disregard the consequences". Yes, that section needs copyediting. And the article is written in AME I think, so all of the "Whilst" words are jarring. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 23:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
help - can't enable page preview functionality when reading Wikipedia articles
Can't enable page preview functionality when reading Wikipedia articles 77.13.198.210 (talk) 04:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- You need to create an account to have that option, 77.13.198.210.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- You need an account for Navigation popups but not for Page Previews. If you have disabled it then look for "Edit preview settings" at the bottom of pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:11, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Template for Statistics
Hi.Like there is a template {{adminstats}} for statistics of admins. Is there a similar template which non-admins can use? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Vhhhhjhgy. I usually use XTOOLS to see stats like that; see the link here]. --- Possibly (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes Possibly I know about xtools but is there a template which can be used on userpage? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 06:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Vhhhhjhgy, this isn't technically what you seem to be looking for (i.e. a selection of active counters), but I do find
{{User toolbox}}
to be a pretty solid substitute. It isn't interactive, but it does give you a comprehensive selection of links to more external tools and overview pages than the average editor could ever have a use for. AngryHarpytalk 13:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Vhhhhjhgy, this isn't technically what you seem to be looking for (i.e. a selection of active counters), but I do find
- Yes Possibly I know about xtools but is there a template which can be used on userpage? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 06:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm made for CSS beginning for level 1!
CSS
Use CSS for span <span style="background:lavender; padding: 2px 2px; border-radius:3px">CSS</span>
It's rose gold! Q? 05:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @RoseGold1250: Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? If you want to learn CSS, try one of these tutorials on MDN. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft checking
I have created a Wikipedia page about Vansh sayani an Indian child artist. Which has not yet been approved. Can anyone tell me why it has not been accepted yet? Tellyring (talk) 08:18, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tellyring Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages. You have not submitted your draft for review, I will shortly add the appropriate information so you can do so. 331dot (talk) 08:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Vansh sayani submitted for review. Please accept it. Tellyring (talk) 08:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I restored two Declines of this draft, which Tellyring had removed. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tellyring Teahouse hosts advise, but are not AfC reviewers (well, most are not). There is a backlog of about 5,000 drafts. It could be months before this is reviewed again. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Also, you have been advised on your Talk page that there is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents about a proposal to block you for disruptive attempts to create and edit this draft (repeated copyright violations, edit warring, etc.). David notMD (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tellyring Teahouse hosts advise, but are not AfC reviewers (well, most are not). There is a backlog of about 5,000 drafts. It could be months before this is reviewed again. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have blocked Tellyring. I hadn't checked the draft history. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Unjust accusation of copyright violation
Most of an article which I created has been removed on the grounds of copyright violation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Physics_of_Optical_Holography. The section which has been removed has been copied directly from Holography and I wrote most of it in 2011.
The reason for doing this was that the Holography article has been criticised for being too technical. I decided to create a separate article (as above) to describe the more technical aspects of holography, so I copied these from the main article into this one, and thena added some more technical detail. This is all explained on the article's talk page.
The article which is supposed to have the copyright violated is dated 2017, and even includes a photograph which I submitted in 2011. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Broken_hologram.jpg
This is a gross injustice. How can I have this corrected? Epzcaw (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Epzcaw. This is probably more of a "misunderstanding" than a "gross injustice"; so, perhaps toning the rhetoric down a bit might be helpful. It's perfectly OK to copy content from one Wikipedia article and add it to another, but in needs to be done in accordance with Wikipedia's licensing requirements as explained here. Please try to understand that a Wikipedia article can be pretty much edited by anyone at anytime, which means the version of the "Holography" article that you created back in 2011 might have been improved upon or otherwise edited by others over the years; so, proper attribution needs to be given to those editors. You sort of provided such attribution on the draft's talk page back when you started the draft in October 2020, but the post was unsigned and it was a bit ambiguous; so, it's quite possible that the person who reviewed the draft and "saw" the copyvio just missed it and assumed the worst. The content seems to have shown up on some other website other than Wikipedia (most likely without proper attribution to Wikipedia), which would actually be a copyvio, and the reviewer probably mistakenly assumed that's where the content originated. If you'd look at the draft's edit history, you'll see that another editor actually restored the removed content and clarified where it came from in their edit summary. Anyway, you've now blanked the draft which is the equivalent of asking that it be deleted per WP:G7; maybe you did just out of frustration, but the "copyvio" accusation could've most likely been sorted out through discussion. Being frustrated is understandable, but blanking the draft seems a bit rash, especially if you think that a WP:SPLIT from the "Holigraphy" article was warranted. As for the issues with the "Holigraphy" article, I don't know enough about the subject matter to try and rewrite it; since you do, however, perhaps trying to rewrite it per WP:TONE and WP:JARGON will make the article more understandable for the general reader. You don't necessarily need to create a new article if you can address the concerns raised about an existing article through copyediting or in other ways. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Marchjuly Thanks for this. I'm certainly frustrated, and I think I need to take some time out from Wikipedia. I've always been scrupulously careful to give credit where it's due in my working life and in Wikipedia, and it is upsetting to find oneself accused of stealing one's own work in big headlines. I've had a discussion on the Wikipedia-en-help page which resulted in the re-instatement of the deleted text, but the large upfront "Copyright Violation" notice remains and apparently cannot be removed, so I don't see how any reviewer would bother with such an article when there is a 5-month backlog of articles waiting to be reviewed so it's better to delete it. Of course, anyone who wants to can undelete it and work on it but not me. I've also copied it into my Sandbox page, so I might start again sometime under a new heading with appropriate attribution.
- I accept that I did the attribution of copying the material in the wrong place though I'm not clear, even after reading the article above, how I could have referenced the material after it had been deleted from the Holography article.
- As far as the Holography and my draft are concerned, I believe there is a place on Wikipedia for a detailed discussion of the Physics of Holography which I've put together with appropriate referencing, but that this needs to be separate from the Holography page which will be read by people who do not want to trawl through lots of equations (which I put in originally). Without these sections, I believe the article will be more readable for the general public. The comment about the article being "too technical" has been there since 2017, but no-one else has tackled it.
- Yes, the article I was supposed to have copyright-violated has actually reproduced without attribution a photo I added to Wikimedia in 2011, as well as presumably much of the text of the Holography article. Hey ho. Epzcaw (talk) 11:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Epzcaw: The draft currently has no content; so, if it remains that way, it will be deleted either per WP:G7 (as explained above) or per WP:G13. If you want to stop that from happening, you should restore the content.For reference, Wikipedia’s policy on using copyrighted content applies to all Wikipedia pages; so, please make sure you properly attribute the content it your user sandbox because it’s otherwise at risk for being mistaken as a copyvio and being deleted.The way you attributed the draft was OK, but a bit ambiguous and the reviewer either didn’t notice or misunderstood it. That probably happens quite a bit but it’s usually just a misunderstanding. Try looking at WP:PATT and WP:RIA since you can probably restore the content and attribute it in a single edit. The comment about the draft being a copyvio was left by an AFC reviewer in good faith. You’ll see that another editor also left a comment explaining what happened for future AFC reviewers. These comments are just for the benefit of AFC reviewers and will be removed if the article is eventually accepted. The original AFC reviewer is probably off-line at the moment, but perhaps they will respond to the post on their user talk page once they log in again. People sometimes get WP:BUSY and make not immediately respond to a post; so, please be patient.I don’t know anything about the subject matter, but try and remember WP:NOT because any article you try to create is still going to need to comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Marchjuly: I undertand that people make errors - even me! Yes, the content was re-instated because I brought it to someone's attention, but my issue is that the draft article is forever labelled as "Copyright Violation" and so will never be reviewed for publication - so it's pointless having it there.
- All the content is in my Sandbox page, and I will stick attributions in as many places as I can find to try to avoid this happening again. Anyone else is then free to take the content from my sandbox and use it (with appropriate attribution of course).
- But thank you for your comments - I know you are trying to help. Epzcaw (talk) 13:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don’t think it's necessarily true that the draft will never be reviewed because someone mistakenly marked it as a copyvio, but you can find out yourself by asking at WP:AFCHELP. For reference, copyright violations are usually revision deleted so that they are no longer publicly visible even from the page's history. I asked an administrator who does lots of checking of copyvio about the draft, and she didn't revision delete any of the content. So, I'm assuming it's going to be OK as long as it's properly attributed. Moreover, the AFC reviewer can always WP:REDACT their comment if they want and they might do just that once they are informed of the actual state of things. From looking at the draft, it appears that the content has actually been restored by that particular AFC reviewer with an edit summary explaining why. I can't say whether the draft will ultimately be accepted because I don't know much about the subject matter, but you should be able to submit it for another review without worrying about the "copyvio" comment any more. As for any concerns that the wording might be too technical, you can always seek input from the members of WP:PHYSICS or WP:FOTO about the draft or the "Holography" article because that's where you're likely to find editors with experience dealing with these types of articles. — Marchjuly (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Epzcaw: The draft currently has no content; so, if it remains that way, it will be deleted either per WP:G7 (as explained above) or per WP:G13. If you want to stop that from happening, you should restore the content.For reference, Wikipedia’s policy on using copyrighted content applies to all Wikipedia pages; so, please make sure you properly attribute the content it your user sandbox because it’s otherwise at risk for being mistaken as a copyvio and being deleted.The way you attributed the draft was OK, but a bit ambiguous and the reviewer either didn’t notice or misunderstood it. That probably happens quite a bit but it’s usually just a misunderstanding. Try looking at WP:PATT and WP:RIA since you can probably restore the content and attribute it in a single edit. The comment about the draft being a copyvio was left by an AFC reviewer in good faith. You’ll see that another editor also left a comment explaining what happened for future AFC reviewers. These comments are just for the benefit of AFC reviewers and will be removed if the article is eventually accepted. The original AFC reviewer is probably off-line at the moment, but perhaps they will respond to the post on their user talk page once they log in again. People sometimes get WP:BUSY and make not immediately respond to a post; so, please be patient.I don’t know anything about the subject matter, but try and remember WP:NOT because any article you try to create is still going to need to comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the article I was supposed to have copyright-violated has actually reproduced without attribution a photo I added to Wikimedia in 2011, as well as presumably much of the text of the Holography article. Hey ho. Epzcaw (talk) 11:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Published author to be featured on Wikipedia
Good day, can you advise how to go about creating a bio as a published author? Petemiguelward (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Petemiguelward. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Please read the notability guideline for authors and Your first article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 14:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Petemiguelward: Being a published author does not, per se, make you notable. I am also an author of a book, and would not expect to have a Wikipedia article about me. Having seen your own website and how you write about yourself, I strongly urge you not to attempt to create an autobiographical article. Let someone else do that once you do attain Notable status, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Which WP would be better to improve this article
Hello. I would like some suggestions on which WikiProject would be best suitable to improve this article: Ganapathi Sachchidananda. There are indeed a lot of issues flagged. Thanks for your suggestions. -- DaxServer (talk) 14:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @DaxServer: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to improve it. There are several projects listed on the article's talk page. Depending on which section of the article you want to work on, pick the one that fits. For example, if it is the section regarding music, then try the Musicians Wikiproject. RudolfRed (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
YouTube
Can we use YouTube as a reliable source? --Eclectic-Polymath (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Eclectic-Polymath: Not always, and in some cases its strictly forbidden. If the youtube video comes from a verfied channel of a reliable Publisher, the reliability of that Publisher may be inherited. If the video isn't published on a channel by a reliable publisher, then no, it isn't reliable. You also have to keep WP:ABOUTSELF in mind. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Eclectic-Polymath, think of it this way: YouTube is not a source. It is a platform for hosting videos, some of which are reliable as described by Victor Schmidt, but most of which are not reliable. It is analogous to a bookstore or a TV set. Each sells or displays content, some of which is reliable and most of which isn't. Each YouTube video needs to be assessed on its own merits, using your editorial judgment, with the presumption that most of them aren't reliable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- WP:RSPYT has some advice on this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Trouble with Verifiable References
Hello! I recently had an article declined because my sources were not considered reliable. I had suspected this might happen as I was working with old newspaper clippings from the 50's and 60's many of which are no longer in print. I am wondering how I can proceed or how best to use source material that was published years ago but is no longer verifiable online? Janegrey669 (talk) 15:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, welcome to Teahouse! Just to clarify, are you talking about Draft:João Artur da Silva? I see the following problems with provided sources:
- None of these sources have a URL readily available online. There is one source with a URL, but that URL appears dead. Also, there is a source from The Guardian. Maybe, you could find it within The Guardian Archive?
- Some sources have only the date (year) and author name, but not a title. Maybe, you could add the titles of the works?
- Many of these sources are exhibition catalogs, so they include the material submitted by the authors and therefore might not classify as a third-party source. Do these catalogs have any commentary written by, e.g. exhibit curators? If not, catalogs might be considered not reliable like uncurated blog entries, news wire press releases, and article subject's own statements.
- Hope that helps.Anton.bersh (talk) 16:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Just to clarify point 1: The source doesn't need a URL if you can verify it in some other way (e.g., by going to a museum or a library). It's just easiest to find material online instead of going to a particular place. Anton.bersh (talk) 16:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Stronger than that, Anton.bersh. A source absolutely does not need to be available on line, and even if it is, a URL is often not a crucial part of the citation, but a convenience for the reader or reviewer. The important parts of the citation are title, date, publication, author if available, so that a reader can in principle locate the source (eg through a library as Anton says). Giving this information also helps reviewers to decide quickly whether a source is likely to meet the three criteria of being reliable, independent, and having significant coverage of the subject. Most of your references do have titles, Janegrey669, but several of the titles suggest that these are not independent sources, but derive from the artist's associates or institutions. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- The age of the sources isn't the issue, Janegrey669. Non-independent sources can be used for some material, providing that it's just basic details, but in general you want to be using independent sources as much as possible. You also need to ensure that everything in the article can be verified; what's the source for the claim that "In 1991 João Artur relocated again, this time to British Columbia, Canada, so that his wife, Raymonde, could be closer to her sister", for instance? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Stronger than that, Anton.bersh. A source absolutely does not need to be available on line, and even if it is, a URL is often not a crucial part of the citation, but a convenience for the reader or reviewer. The important parts of the citation are title, date, publication, author if available, so that a reader can in principle locate the source (eg through a library as Anton says). Giving this information also helps reviewers to decide quickly whether a source is likely to meet the three criteria of being reliable, independent, and having significant coverage of the subject. Most of your references do have titles, Janegrey669, but several of the titles suggest that these are not independent sources, but derive from the artist's associates or institutions. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Just to clarify point 1: The source doesn't need a URL if you can verify it in some other way (e.g., by going to a museum or a library). It's just easiest to find material online instead of going to a particular place. Anton.bersh (talk) 16:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Question about Wikipedia:Notability
I was referred to this noticeboard by another editor regarding a draft I submitted. I am interested in learning about the WP:Notability and WP:NBIO requirements. I read through these carefully and thought that the sources in Draft:Apoorva Mehta met the requirements, but it was declined. I'm trying to learn what is acceptable for these requirements for future reference. Can anyone take a look and explain what I might be misunderstanding about the Basic Criteria in WP:NBIO? The sources are below which I thought had satisfied the “multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject” and my notes about each:
- Feature in Enterpreneur (reviewing editor says this doesn't count because it's "by a contributor")
- Featured on cover of Forbes (he is on the cover, is mentioned 38 times, describes a lot about his personal life and career)
- Another feature in Forbes (more than half of the article is directly about him)
- Featured in TIME (on the Time 100 list)
- Feature in GQ India (more than half of this article is about him)
- Feature in CNBC (is claimed to be "the youngest billionaire of Indian-origin", half of this is about him)
- There’s also this one but honestly looks like the same as the Forbes cover story above so I don't know if it would count for anything: Forbes India
Thank you. BuickaSoka (talk) 15:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Poof! Apoorva Mehta now an accepted article. David notMD (talk) 16:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- BuickaSoka, I read the Forbes and Los Angeles Times coverage and quickly became convinced that the article should be accepted so I boldly moved it to main space. I am joking only a little bit when I say that when the Los Angeles Times devotes significant coverage to someone who lives in San Francisco, then that person is notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cullen328 and David notMD Oh, nice thank you. I was pretty sure I had understood WP:NBIO but started to second guess myself and wondered if I was missing another requirement somewhere. Appreciate the feedback! BuickaSoka (talk) 17:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- All I did was make sections. David notMD (talk) 17:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cullen328 and David notMD Oh, nice thank you. I was pretty sure I had understood WP:NBIO but started to second guess myself and wondered if I was missing another requirement somewhere. Appreciate the feedback! BuickaSoka (talk) 17:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- BuickaSoka, I read the Forbes and Los Angeles Times coverage and quickly became convinced that the article should be accepted so I boldly moved it to main space. I am joking only a little bit when I say that when the Los Angeles Times devotes significant coverage to someone who lives in San Francisco, then that person is notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Awards sections
Hi! Is there a convention for including Awards sections in the articles of heads of state? Thanks beforehand! NoonIcarus (talk) 16:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, NoonIcarus. The guidance that I can offer is that if there is a Wikipedia article about the award, and independent coverage in a reliable source confirming that the award was given, then it probably merits inclusion. Do not include obscure and unimportant awards ignored by reliable independent sources. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:53, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Cullen328: Understood, I think that clarifies the issue for the most part, many thanks! --NoonIcarus (talk) 17:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Anish Thangamuthu
Anish Thangamuthu [1] Is Indian Politician.He is Born on (05/May/1997) in Kanyakumari district .He is Member of Indian National Congress (2015)[2] He Is President of Virudhunagar district National Students' Union of India Secretary [3]
And Tamil Nadu Congress Committee [4] [5] [6]
References
- ^ "Anish Thangamuthu appointed as State President Of the Tamil Nadu Congress Engineering Division". Daily Kumari News (in Tamil). 2021-05-29. Retrieved 2021-05-30.
- ^ "Anish Thangamuthu appointed as State President Of the Tamil Nadu Congress Engineering Division". Daily Kumari News (in Tamil). 2021-05-29. Retrieved 2021-05-30.
- ^ "Anish Thangamuthu from Kanyakumari district has been appointed as the secretary of Virudhunagar district student congress". Daily Kumari News (in Tamil). 2021-05-28. Retrieved 2021-05-30.
- ^ "Anish Thangamuthu appointed as State President Of the Tamil Nadu Congress Engineering Division". Gaon Dastak (in Indonesian). Retrieved 2021-05-30.
- ^ THANGAMUTHU, ANISH. "AnishThangamuthu was born in Manavalakurichi, Kanyakumari district". ANISH THANGAMUTHU. Retrieved 2021-05-30.
- ^ "தமிழக காங்கிரஸ் பொறியியல் பிரிவின் மாநிலத் தலைவராக அனிஷ் தங்கமுத்து நியமிக்கப்பட்டார்". Daily Kumari News (in Tamil). 2021-05-29. Retrieved 2021-05-30.
- Hello Kanyakumari123 and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming you want to create a WP-article about this person, start with Help:Your first article and follow the guidance there. See also WP:BASIC. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
wikipedia policy on bullying and disruptive editors
Hi I am a new user, havent been able to contribute much yet. One of the articles I contributed to was deleted. I requested it DRV as i was not convinced with the reasons given for its nomination. They were not in line with wikipdeia guidelines and the nominator continued to jump from one reason to another vague reason, it felt like more of disruptive in nature. During the discussion I feel the nominator and the person who deleted it were working as a team, and both have also tried to intimidate me. The account that chose to delete it, is now blocked for sock puppetry. Can someone help me with this? I am open to constructive criticism of my work and also seek guidance on how to deal with disruptive expert editors. Shatbhisha6 (talk) 18:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Shatbhisha6 Swami Avdheshanand Giri is at AfD as of 12 May. This article was previously created, AfD'd on 29 March, then recreated for reevaluation. Confusingly, Draft:Swami Avdheshanand Giri also exists, which was Declined and then Rejected in late April. HOWEVER, the Declined and Rejected recommendations were both actions of User:Kashmorwiki, subsequently indef blocked as a sockpuppet. In addition, at the first AfD, Kashmorwiki had recommended Delete, but AfD decisions, as always, are made by an Administrator, not those expressing an opinion. The article and draft are near-identical. David notMD (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update. Both draft and AFD exist as after the new draft was created, VV, the nominator for previous deletion objected it with a link to the deleted article. I feel something suspicious with the way VV, Kichu have worked towards deletion of this page. I am a new user and not well versed Wiki ways. Also wish to know if me being a new editor with not enough contribution can be a reason for my arguments to be disregarded? I dont understand why VV has mentioned this in the deletion discussion? Shatbhisha6 (talk) 05:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- An WP:SPA template in an AFD is to indicate to the closer that an editor works on only a limited area of interest. It is not an attack on the editor as it stems from a fact. Your only edits were around this specific article. Best! VV 07:13, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thats not true, and can be checked from my contribution log both in English and Hindi. This was my first article and truth is being a new user I'm not confident enough and thats why I have not contributed much, learning with baby steps. I only wish to know how does that matter to the subject or the article. And you being a nominator how does your vote count and my vote striked off? If only one vote counts then shouldnt only one of two should have been struck? Hope someone can guide me on that.Shatbhisha6 (talk) 11:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- An WP:SPA template in an AFD is to indicate to the closer that an editor works on only a limited area of interest. It is not an attack on the editor as it stems from a fact. Your only edits were around this specific article. Best! VV 07:13, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update. Both draft and AFD exist as after the new draft was created, VV, the nominator for previous deletion objected it with a link to the deleted article. I feel something suspicious with the way VV, Kichu have worked towards deletion of this page. I am a new user and not well versed Wiki ways. Also wish to know if me being a new editor with not enough contribution can be a reason for my arguments to be disregarded? I dont understand why VV has mentioned this in the deletion discussion? Shatbhisha6 (talk) 05:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
2021 iHeartRadio Music Awards
The first paragraph regarding a tweet from Taylor Swift is clearly false. Please fix this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_iHeartRadio_Music_Awards 2601:648:8402:58F0:5925:F48C:D8E4:57BA (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Talk:2021 iHeartRadio Music Awards is the preferred place to report any factual errors in the article, 2601:648:8402:58F0:5925:F48C:D8E4:57BA.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I have added a couple of paragraphs to the Home Front section of the Wilson entry. The entry is protected and I have not received a rsponse to my proposed insert. The current version is inaccurate and biased. <redacted> Rosalux1900 (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Rosalux1900, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you just add a suggestion to a Talk page, it will quite often happen that nobody will notice who is prepared to act on it. The suggested action in WP:Edit requests is to add the template {{edit request}} to your request, which puts it on a list which some editors watch. You have included a source, which is good; but you have not specified precisely what change you are recommending to the article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Rosalux1900. Please do not post personally identifying information. You did not make a formal edit request. You posted some information on Talk: Woodrow Wilson. Please note that this is a Good article that recently went through a peer review. The article already contains the following paragraph:
- "Anarchists, Industrial Workers of the World members, and other antiwar groups attempting to sabotage the war effort were targeted by A. Mitchell Palmer and his Department of Justice; many of their leaders were arrested for incitement to violence, espionage, or sedition. Wilson was incapacitated and was not told what was happening."
- This article is a biography of Wilson. It should not cover every single thing that happened during his presidency, especially things he was uninvolved with when his health declined. We have other articles such as Industrial Workers of the World, Eugene V. Debs and Palmer Raids where it is appropriate to cover these matters in greater depth. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Some of the issues that concern you are covered later in the body of the article in the section called "Red Scare and Palmer Raids". Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Verification
i magically got verified... how the awesome did that happen DA AWESOME BOI (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
what happens when you figure out the answer yourself before the people who could answer it answered it on a question DA AWESOME BOI (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @DA AWESOME BOI, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m sorry but the Teahouse is a place for you to ask questions about editing here, please is there a question you specifically want to ask? By getting verified what do you make reference to? Celestina007 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @DA AWESOME BOI: If you mean the user right called "autoconfirmed", that is added automatically by the software once your account has made a total of 10 edits and is over 4 days old. If you mean something else, please state more precisely what. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @DA AWESOME BOI: Ideally what would happen is that you post an update saying "never mind, I figured it out myself", which you kinda did, but even if you had worded it differently you may still have received follow-up replies. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) – (00:12 Tue 01, AEST) 14:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
draft:androidwedakarayo.com
draft:androidwedakarayo.com is my first Wikipedia article and it has been declined to publish two times in a row. I want to know why was it happening and how could I get it published successfully without declining it. How to develop the article to get published. Could someone help me with check my draft. If you are an admin, please do not delete it, it is still in draft mode and it doesn't do any harm to Wikipedia. Senlanka (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Draft:Androidwedakarayo.com. Status: Declined twice (5/29, 5/29), revised, resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 19:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Senlanka, I'm the reviewer who declined the draft the first time. As the decline message says, we need significant coverage in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Looking at the draft's current references, there are still issues. References #1, #4, and #6 are links to its own website. #8, #9, and #10 are actually the same source which is not actually about androidwedakarayo, it's just the website that hosted a poll. #5 (WHOIS), #7 (Google Play listing), and #8 (Huawei listing) don't help establish notability at all. #2 is a sponsored post from a marketing team. #12 and #13 don't constitute significant coverage. The draft is still in need of sources that satisfy the criteria I laid out at the beginning of this paragraph. Does that make sense? DanCherek (talk) 20:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DanCherek I got what you said. Could you please decline the submission of the said article? Please do not suggest for speed deletion. I will enhance the article with more reliable sources and let you know before Submit back it again. Please don't suggest for speed deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Senlanka: I have removed your latest re-submission from the draft. Feel free to work on it at your leisure and resubmit for review if/when the issues have been resolved. DanCherek (talk) 20:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @DanCherek: I have checked references #8, #9. In those articles, the journalists have clearly mentioned the contest the held by androidwedakarayo.com and those references were added because I have added a section regarding the events that androidwedakarayo.co has been done. For example I will disclose with quoting the relevant paragraphs from the articles. Please let me know why did those articles are not related with androidwedakarayo.com. Then I can develop my knowledge about selecting references for wikipedia. I hope you will help me to understand.
- @Senlanka: I have removed your latest re-submission from the draft. Feel free to work on it at your leisure and resubmit for review if/when the issues have been resolved. DanCherek (talk) 20:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DanCherek I got what you said. Could you please decline the submission of the said article? Please do not suggest for speed deletion. I will enhance the article with more reliable sources and let you know before Submit back it again. Please don't suggest for speed deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Senlanka, I'm the reviewer who declined the draft the first time. As the decline message says, we need significant coverage in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Looking at the draft's current references, there are still issues. References #1, #4, and #6 are links to its own website. #8, #9, and #10 are actually the same source which is not actually about androidwedakarayo, it's just the website that hosted a poll. #5 (WHOIS), #7 (Google Play listing), and #8 (Huawei listing) don't help establish notability at all. #2 is a sponsored post from a marketing team. #12 and #13 don't constitute significant coverage. The draft is still in need of sources that satisfy the criteria I laid out at the beginning of this paragraph. Does that make sense? DanCherek (talk) 20:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Reference #8 from DailyMirror - DailyMirror is a well reputed newspaper in Sri Lanka and dailymirrior.lk is the official website of them. The said reference include like this, and in those articles, they have clearly mentioned androidwedakarayo.com also
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- Furthermore I have checked #9 and #10 references. #9 and #10 was copied the news form Dailymirror.lk and published on their own sites. Therefore, I have removed those duplicated references from the Draft:Androidwedakarayo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 20:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Senlanka: Sure, it's a reliable source that is about Android Wedakarayo and can certainly remain in the article, but it's only approximately 100 words about your subject (excluding the quote), and so I hope you can support the draft with additional sources that demonstrate more significant coverage in order to establish notability. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
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. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) DanCherek (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)- @DanCherek:Thank you for your feedback Dan. It was very helpful to me. Can I add a YouTube video that has been uploaded by a YouTuber, who has YouTube verified badge? Is it a reliable source? Now I found an event that androidwedakarayo.com has been held in 2018 and the references are only on YouTube. But still I did not add about that event because I want to clarify about using YouTube videos as references.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 21:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Senlanka: There is no blanket ban on citing YouTube; however, keep in mind that it is self-published, so the video is only as reliable as its publisher. For example, if I cite a news video from the official channel of The New York Times, that would likely be a reliable source. But if I upload my own video, that wouldn't be appropriate for citing on Wikipedia. I believe the verified badge only confirms that someone is who they say they are, and it's not an indication of reliability. Generally proceed with great caution and cite a YouTube channel if and only if other established reliable sources indicate that they are authoritative. DanCherek (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I see that a contribution I supposedly deleted has been restored. If I in fact did the deletion, it was unintended. So, sorry. Smallchief (talk) 21:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @DanCherek: Thank you so much for your explanation.
- @Smallchief: Be cool bro. We all are humans and we all make mistakes during this journey. I saw that you have restored what you deleted. You are a humble guy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 21:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Senlanka: There is no blanket ban on citing YouTube; however, keep in mind that it is self-published, so the video is only as reliable as its publisher. For example, if I cite a news video from the official channel of The New York Times, that would likely be a reliable source. But if I upload my own video, that wouldn't be appropriate for citing on Wikipedia. I believe the verified badge only confirms that someone is who they say they are, and it's not an indication of reliability. Generally proceed with great caution and cite a YouTube channel if and only if other established reliable sources indicate that they are authoritative. DanCherek (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @DanCherek:Thank you for your feedback Dan. It was very helpful to me. Can I add a YouTube video that has been uploaded by a YouTuber, who has YouTube verified badge? Is it a reliable source? Now I found an event that androidwedakarayo.com has been held in 2018 and the references are only on YouTube. But still I did not add about that event because I want to clarify about using YouTube videos as references.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 21:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Senlanka: Sure, it's a reliable source that is about Android Wedakarayo and can certainly remain in the article, but it's only approximately 100 words about your subject (excluding the quote), and so I hope you can support the draft with additional sources that demonstrate more significant coverage in order to establish notability. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
- Furthermore I have checked #9 and #10 references. #9 and #10 was copied the news form Dailymirror.lk and published on their own sites. Therefore, I have removed those duplicated references from the Draft:Androidwedakarayo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talk • contribs) 20:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Help with editing the bio of a living artist
Hi
In February 2021, I was trying to update a profile of a living artist who happens to be a friend of a friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlastimil_Beránek
However, I was prevented from updating the biography because the moderator(s) suspected I was being paid for the work. I wasn't. It was simply a favor for a friend. (This was stated to the moderator at the time, to no avail).
Shortly afterwards, I suffered a serious health issue, and have been away from Wikipedia since - until now.
Rather than fall foul of very complicated rules again, I am requesting help, as a new / inexperienced contributor, in updating the artist's profile (as a favor to my old university friend, not a paid gig).
To make it simple, I want to improve / update / correct the biography paragraph-by-paragraph, so that I can easily see what is / what is not being rejected, and learn from it.
Would it be acceptable for me to post each proposed paragraph here on this Teahouse thread, for approval / disapproval / advice, before moving on to the next paragraph?
If not, how best should I proceed?
Many thanks. Blackpebblemedia (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC) Blackpebblemedia (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to Teahouse! Wikipedia rules against "conflict of interest" are described here. In particular, they say "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships." (I added emphasis). Anton.bersh (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Blackpebblemedia, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, No, you may not paste the proposed changes here, but you can do so on the talk page of the article in question. Please see WP:ER to guide you. Celestina007 (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- There will be a problem with pursuing the recommended path, which is to propose changes on the Talk page, so that a non-involved editor can decide. The article itself averages about one viewer per day, the Talk page less. But you can propose specific changes and submit an edit request, which will notify a need for it to be looked at. David notMD (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Be aware that much of what you added in February that was reverted does not belong in a Wikipedia article. For example, the entire Commodity and investment section. Also, hyperlinks are not allowed, so do not propose content with hyperlinks, as you had done in your reverted addition. David notMD (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- There will be a problem with pursuing the recommended path, which is to propose changes on the Talk page, so that a non-involved editor can decide. The article itself averages about one viewer per day, the Talk page less. But you can propose specific changes and submit an edit request, which will notify a need for it to be looked at. David notMD (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Blackpebblemedia:, FYI, this page has been nominated for deletion, the discussion is here. Anton.bersh (talk) 23:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice, which is appreciated and noted. Back to the drawing board. Over & out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackpebblemedia (talk • contribs) 23:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Article:Iraj Weeraratne
I observe that Iraj Weerarathne article was not with reliable references. But how could this article still be on Wikipedia? Senlanka (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Since all content on Wikipedia is user-submitted, some of it is not verifiable, not reliable, and sometimes outright misleading. You can suggest deletion of the content you deem not suitable for Wikipedia. The easiest way to do so is probably Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. Anton.bersh (talk) 22:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- It had references until it was messed up earlier this week. An editor added a long lost of URLs in the section References rather than creating in-line references. The article has been in existence for years; in my opinion it needs a rescue rather than a proposed deletion. David notMD (talk) 22:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've restored it to the last stable version. Now to see if it sticks... —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Concerned
An editor - currently blocked from editing following an ENW notice - has recently posted by real name, and my (private) work email address on their talk page. I have a chilled stomach with worry and anxiety. What are my actions here, what can be done to remove my details, if indeed they can? doktorb wordsdeeds 23:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Doktorbuk. I suggest you go to WP:OVERSIGHT and contact the Oversight Team immediately via the email link on that page. I also suggest you try to take care of this a much as you can via email so as to avoid the this type of scenario from happening. WP:OUTING is a serious policy violation and in your email you should request that an oversighter remove the account's ability to edit its own talk page. You can also email any administrator and ask them to do so as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. doktorb wordsdeeds 00:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Doktorbuk: If something similar happens in the future, don't post about it (even cryptically) on any public Wikipedia page since that could just attract attention. Remove the content per WP:TPG#Removing prohibited material (just leave a bland edit summary) and then contact an administrator asap via email and seek help that way. Don't try and engage the other editor any further because that will likely just make things worse. Generally, in the case of a blocked use, the name of the administrator who blocked the account as well as the names of any administrator who respond to an unblock request should be somewhere on the blocked editor's user talk page; so, contact one of those administrators (or the Oversight Team) via email, explain the issue and one of them will take care of it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- The editor in question has now been indefinitely blocked for repeated policy violations despite being a number of warnings and has had their ability to edit their user talk page also taken away. Just ignore them from here on and stay away from their talk page. If you think they're back editing using another account, then seek administrator via WP:SPI or via email. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. doktorb wordsdeeds 00:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Barnstars by IP
Do IP addresses could present barnstars to users? And yes, it could be a joke that an IP is asking this question. 125.167.117.156 (talk) 00:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello. Anyone including IP editors can give out barnstars. However, handing out a lot of barnstars for no discernable good reason is suspicious behavior, so be cautious. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Tags in edits
What does the "#1lib1ref" tags I am seeing in the edit summaries lately mean? GenQuest "scribble" 00:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC) GenQuest "scribble" 00:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, GenQuest. It is an annual campaign to encourage librarians to add references to reliable sources. The idea is that if every librarian on Earth added even one reference, the encyclopedia would be improved significantly. Obviously, the hope is that some of them will stay around and become active editors. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks for the info. GenQuest "scribble" 01:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Mugshot
Why is Mac Jones Wikipedia page using his mugshot as his main photo? That's disrespectful. 2600:1004:B040:A8D8:3FFB:C3F3:5572:3572 (talk) 00:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse I don't think it's a mugshot; the info with the photo says it was created by his university; the article about him does not mention any arrests or convictions for a crime. 331dot (talk) 01:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- IP editor, I see no evidence that the photo in Mac Jones is a mugshot. Can you explain? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- I see no evidence either. --Bduke (talk) 01:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- File:Mac Jones One UA (cropped).jpg was taken from this UA video around the 1:35 mark. GoingBatty (talk) 05:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- I was about to complain about copyright, but that seems to be in order. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Deletion of Article : Virtue Clan
Hi there, so I would like to have this Draft:Virtue Clan be deleted coz, it seems like the last person made this was a sock puppet. So I would like to create a new draft on this and also would like the previous one deleted. Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
JoemarCurammeng123 (Real Name: Joemar M. Curammeng)
JoemarCurammeng123 is a Phillipinian Gamer, Playing Games/Vlogs such as: Roblox (created account born: february 29,2020 (Last Year), and others he played with same names. They also called launguages of "Luxembourgish/Phillipinian Gamer" about his Story. [More Updates and Titles are Coming Soon!] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joemarcurammeng123 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Joemarcurammeng123: Welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question about Wikipedia that we can help you with? GoingBatty (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your attempt to create an article about yourself at Draft:Joemarcurammeng123 was deleted. David notMD (talk) 11:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Second Opinion
Hello hosts, what's an appropriate forum to request a second opinion on a declined draft? TheSokks(talk) 05:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello TheSokks. Drafts are not accepted or declined according to a reviewers opinion, but according to a set of criteria. Therefore there is normally no case for obtaining a second "opinion". What you would need to do is address the reasons for declining the draft. However, if you provide a link to the relevant draft here it is quite likely that someone else will take a look at it for you.--Shantavira|feed me 06:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you @Shantavira, I think this case may have been the reviewer’s opinion. The draft page is deleted now (per my request if I may add) and the comment left on the draft was
This source used in the article implies WP:TOOSOON and ELOY Awards doesn’t meet #1 of WP:ANYBIO.
But other sources used include [4][5] [6] [7][8] [9] [10] Which are independent of the subject, reliable and non trivial. TheSokks(talk) 08:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)- If you want to create an article about Erica Nlewedim then submit a draft to AfC and you will get a different reviewer. Many drafts have been Declined more than once before being adequately revised, and then accepted. Declined is not the same as Rejected, which is when the reviewer decided that there was no potential for success. P.S. Teahouse Hosts are not reviewers (well, most are not). David notMD (talk) 11:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you @Shantavira, I think this case may have been the reviewer’s opinion. The draft page is deleted now (per my request if I may add) and the comment left on the draft was
I don't understand how to request that these pages be translated into English
Hello, I'd like to ask the the below linked articles be translated from German into English but I don't understand that instructions on the wiki pages for requesting this.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Beidler
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Wilhelm_Beidler
Once translated, I would think they would be linked to the pages on the family of Richard Wagner and descendants of Franz Liszt.
Thank you. 68.13.50.107 (talk) 05:56, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello IP, you may list them at Wikipedia:Requested articles, but know that very little requests are actually fulfilled there. Instead, a better way to see those translated would be do it yourself! As a volunteer project, Wikipedia needs all the help we can get, so if you are bilingual, we would really appreciate it if you used those abilities to improve our encyclopedic coverage. I suggest you to read Help:Your first article to understand how the process works, and come back here if you have any questions. Good luck! ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello I editor, and welcome. In the meantime you can you an interlanguage link to link to a non-English Wikipedia page whilst there is not one on for it on en-wiki. So, for Franz Wilhelm Beidler, we would normally just have this red link. But Franz Wilhelm Beidler also shows a subscript 'blue link' to that non-English article. Hope this helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Adding Video
How to add this kind of box named External video in an article? 106.197.17.154 (talk) 06:03, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @106.197.17.154: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is the work of two templates working in conjunction,
{{external media}}
and{{YouTube}}
. You can click the edit link next to the section header to see how its done. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I got a Barnstar!
I am super excited as a newbie to earn a Barnstar after my first published article. Really grateful to teahouse for all the assist, brace up guys because I am going to be pestering you some more for my 999 articles. Thanks. Bibihans (talk) 07:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the new articles coming Bibihans! Thanks for working on Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba and expanding Wikipedia's coverage in international subjects. We're glad to have you with us, and we're also excited to see what you will come up with next. If you have any questions, feel free to drop by here. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Ganbaruby: Thank you so much. Been working on another Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare my second draft and also editing other published articles too. Bibihans (talk) 08:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Complete source code not appearing in phones and tablets
The compete source code doesn’t appear while trying to edit in phones and tablets . Jerry69420 (talk) 07:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jerry69420: On mobile, you have to scroll to the specific section you want to edit. Once you expand the section, there will be a pencil-shaped icon next to the section header that allows you to edit that section only. An alternative is to click the "Desktop" link at the very bottom of the page, which will load the desktop version of Wikipedia. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Jerry69420. Are you editing Wikipedia directly in a browser on your mobile (i.e. don't try to edit via any sort of app), and do you have screen view set to 'Desktop view' each time? The latter is critically important, and there is a teeny-tiny link at the very bottom of every page allowing you to switch back and forth. I do a fair bit of editing in on a tiny iPhone, and have never noticed source code not being shown. Avoid using any 'edit app' which will restrict your abilities, as will using 'Visual editor', of course. (There is a setting in 'Preferences' to "Show me both editor tabs". Having ensured those conditions are all met, should the issue continue, you might then need to give us some examples or WP:DIFFS to show where you are seeing full source code on a desktop, but not on a mobile. Hoping the helps a bit, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Ok i tried desktop mode and it seems to work that way .
- Good to hear we fixed it for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
How I can be extended and confirmed user?
I witnessed that some user's have subheading below their user name as E.C user. I want to be one. Guide me and how can I find new created articles, where I can copy edit and contribute. Huge Earth (talk) 08:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Huge Earth: Extended confirmed just means that the account is 30+ days old and has 500+ edits, so keep improving articles and you'll get there someday. As for finding new pages, there is Special:NewPagesFeed; you are of course welcome to improve those new articles, but you can't mark pages as patrolled unless you have the patroller user right. Also, the feed includes new articles on all kinds of topics, which you may not be an expert on. Instead, I suggest you to start improving existing articles on topics that you are interested in: join a Wikipedia:WikiProject, be bold, and collaborate with other editors. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
REGARDING SPEEDY DELETION
PLS HELP ME😭😭😭 Harshal Srinivasu (talk) 09:41, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Harshal Srinivasu Please tell us what it is that you want help with(and please do not use all capital letters, that is considered yelling). There is no need to be sad, this is just a website. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Harshal Srinivasu: Are you asking about the speedy deletion of Kathathmikaa and Harshal S? I found out about them by visiting your talk page. The messages left on your page contain detailed descrittions of the concerns about these pages, including a message from the reviewer who actually deleted said pages. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
BMW M88 article 'talk' section
I want to mention in this article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M88 that the no 2 ref link is dead, I went to the talk section but it seems to be locked out, why's that? Also I tried to delete the link, but then I get any error talking about a missing link for the reference. Not got time to look into how to do that today, hence I just wanted to mention the dead link in 'talk'. Markpd (talk) 10:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Markpd Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I see nothing that would prevent someone from posting to Talk:BMW M88. What message do you get when you attempt to do so? 331dot (talk) 10:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Markpd: In this edit, I added an
|archive-url=
to reference #2 so readers can see what the web page used to say. If you come across another dead link, you can use the Internet Archive Wayback Machine to try to find an archived version, or tag the reference with {{dead link}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Advance ayurveda
advancement of ayurveda is right of ayurveda doctors. why not publish the definition of advanced ayurveda. Vdpankajjain (talk) 10:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Vdpankajjain Doctors or anyone have no rights to publish any topic on Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not merely post definitions; Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about a topic. Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. Please review the advice left by reviewers, and also read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 10:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
practicing of ayurveda in India not quackery. Ayurveda medicine is being brought into the mainstream in India. You cannot call Ayurveda physician a quack. Vdpankajjain (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Vdpankajjain Please add additional comments to this section, instead of creating additional sections. As I said, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, including what those sources report as the views of various groups on Ayurveda. If those sources are not being reported accurately, please post on the article talk page detailing the errors. If those sources are being summarized accurately but you disagree with them, you will need to take that up with the sources or the groups like the Indian Medical Association that have those views, not us. 331dot (talk) 10:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia has articles titled Ayurveda and Ministry of AYUSH. Consider improving those rather than trying to create a new article "Advanced Ayurveda", which has been declined as insufficient content and referencing. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Avigonesi
Draft: Avignonesi Hello! This is my first attempt to write an article and I nedd some help. The fist draft was deleted because the text apparently was too promotional. In this new draft I removed the parts that might have looked promotional, but I'm not sure it's encyclopedic enough. Could someone please help me? Dadesid (talk) 10:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Dadesid Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the information needed to submit your draft for a review; but I might wait a bit, as there are still some unsourced sections. Please understand that a Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources state about the winery, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. It shouldn't say what the winery wants to say about itself, only what others choose on their own to say about it. If you haven't already, please review Your First Article.
- I see that you declared a conflict of interest; if you are employed by this winery in any capacity, you will need to make the stricter paid editing declaration. 331dot (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you 331dot, I will search for more reliable sources and update the article. I updated my paid editing declaration.Dadesid (talk) 13:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC) I took a look at the other articles in the category and saw that they are not much different from mine though.Dadesid (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
'Reply to' etiquette - positioning of template within message
Hello Teahouse Helpers,
I always seem to have trouble with replying or pinging other WP users - despite reading the Help page. Just now I had this exchange:
- Also, FYI, use {{tl|reply to}} at the start of the reply, or use {{tl|u}} as you have used {{reply to}}. Happy editing! [Editor's sig removed] 10:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. [My sig removed) 10:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Also, FYI, use {{tl|reply to}} at the start of the reply, or use {{tl|u}} as you have used {{reply to}}. Happy editing! [Editor's sig removed] 10:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Must say I was surprised: Of all my many, many mistakes I have committed, this was not one I had thought of! I was a bit snippy, so probably got what I deserved! Is it really important - or perhaps etiquette - that the reply to template goes at the beginning? What's this {{tl|u}} template? Am I allowed to use that in the course of a reply, not necessarily at the start of it? This reply thing-y is as clear as mud to me; though I've manage to pick up a few formatting, and other, tricks, this one eludes me. Any advice appreciated. 49.177.30.125 (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse! For information on how to use the templates, see Template:Reply to or Template:User link (abbreviated "u"). {{tl|u}} is a demonstration of Template:Template link (abbreviated "tl") which makes a template link stand out in a discussion, like this: {{u}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Where to place inline citation with an Infobox
Hello everyone. I have just edited the Infobox for Pinkhill railway station. Previously, there was a citation to a bare URL, leading to a 404 page, against the first entry under "Key Dates". I have now cited a valid up-to-date reference. So far so good. However, the citation really applies to all five of the key dates, not just the first. I thought it would look odd to include the same citation five times on consecutive lines, so I thought I would just place it against the "Key Dates" sub-heading. But I can't see how to do that. Is there a way to do add a reference to a heading within an Infobox? Or should I place it against all five dates? Or doesn't it really matter. Thanks in advance. Mike Marchmont (talk) 11:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Lost Memory of Skin
Hi, I was wondering when my recent article would be approved? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lost_Memory_of_Skin Thanks I.edit.copy (talk) 11:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- As is, this article is unlikely to be published because:
- The article does not establish notability because it has only three references, one of which is the novel itself and another text is authored by the novel's author. The remaining source is a podcast, which is probably also not independent enough.
- The article is mostly just quoted from the author's writing and speaking, which is not suitable for Wikipedia content. Wikipedia articles should prefer secondary sources over primary ones.
- Anton.bersh (talk) 11:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Also, your draft has not been submitted for review. Clicking on the blue rectangle will submit it. There is then a waiting period of potentially months until a Reviewer gets to it. I strongly recommend you not submit it yet. This needs to be modelled after other book articles. Given that several of Russell Banks' novels are already subjects of articles, start by modeling from those. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Creator has submitted Draft:Lost Memory of Skin. David notMD (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Also, your draft has not been submitted for review. Clicking on the blue rectangle will submit it. There is then a waiting period of potentially months until a Reviewer gets to it. I strongly recommend you not submit it yet. This needs to be modelled after other book articles. Given that several of Russell Banks' novels are already subjects of articles, start by modeling from those. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Incorrect Picture
Wrong Person's Picture Used
The Wikipedia page for Harry G. Stoddard (Harry G. Stoddard) has an incorrect image - it is not of Harry G. Stoddard, it is of George Booth. I wonder if the author could change this, or if I could upload a correct picture from the newspaper of which Harry Stoddard was the head (and I'm not sure how to do that). PaxtonPhil (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- PaxtonPhil Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles do not usually have a single author; this is a collaborative project. You will want to bring up this concern on the article talk page, Talk:Harry G. Stoddard, so the editors that follow that article can see it. Using an image from a newspaper would depend on how old it is as well as other copyright issues. 331dot (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- PaxtonPhil You use "we" on your user page, who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 11:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @331dot: Not any more: special:diff/1026109514 :) --CiaPan (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
HELLO, KINDLY TREAT AS IMPORTANT
Hello Teahouse, I'm a new user and I need some advice. I want to make my first article directly to the main page for some very important reasons. First, I am under a deadline to get this page uploaded and it's a very important aspect of a branding project I'm a part of. Having this page for my big brother (He's a tech-preneur making things happen here in the sub-Sahara) will go a long way in his career and driving the economy of my country as it is a criterion for a contract he's bidding for. I have studied extensively how to put together an article that gets approved and I have written a detailed piece (according to guidelines) however I have no idea how to publish directly on the main page or if I can get my first article published immediately after posting. Kindly treat it as urgent thank you. Grey Matter Copy (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Grey Matter Copy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will be frank with you in that Wikipedia has no interest in or concern with any deadlines you might be under, projects you have been assigned, and has no interest in helping clients you might have. Our sole interest is in building this encyclopedia. Anything else is a side benefit. No one can "publish things to the main page" as that's not what it is for. If you mean that you want to add your article to the main encyclopedia, you will need to submit it for review using Articles for Creation, mostly because you have a conflict of interest. There is no way to do that quickly; a speedy review cannot be guaranteed and it will likely take months. If you were to add your article directly to the encyclopedia yourself, you run the risk of it being nominated for deletion. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- 331dot Thank you. I am positive about the legibility of my draft, but can you explain why you think it'll most likely be nominated for deletion or point me to any articles that would help guide against deletion. I'll really appreciate this. Grey Matter Copy (talk) 1:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- You will find advice at WP:Your first article, but you also need to read about WP:conflict of interest. Getting an article published is not a rapid process, and there is no deadline. You and your brother obviously have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. It is an encyclopedia, and is not for promotion. As your purpose is to enable him to go a long way in his career and to assist him in the contract for which he is bidding, he may which to use another website to advertise his capabilities, but that is not the role of Wikipedia. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- David Biddulph Thank you, definitely not unclear about the purpose of Wikipedia. The page is supposed to exist to simplify the search for his personality when decision-makers need to. In my draft, I've made sure to not use any selsy words or promotional terms. Kindly help. Grey Matter Copy (talk) 1:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Grey Matter Copy No, you could not be more wrong about the purpose of Wikipedia. Please review the five pillars. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Given your clear intent to create an article that is "...a very important aspect of a branding project...", if you try to by-pass Articles for Creation despite your COI and instead create this in main space, it is unlikely that it would go to Articles for Deletion. Instead, it would be nominated for Speedy deletion, and unless you could then quickly make a valid argument for it to stay, would be deleted with days, perhaps hours, by an Administrator. I recommend you read Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, specifically G11, to understand why. David notMD (talk) 14:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- David notMDThis personality I want to create a page for does merit a page as he is a stakeholder & prominent businessman in my country but seeing that I have a COI due to my personal relationship with him can I share my draft and can you help go through and decide if it's worth it and probably publish it? Thank you. Grey Matter Copy
- Given your clear intent to create an article that is "...a very important aspect of a branding project...", if you try to by-pass Articles for Creation despite your COI and instead create this in main space, it is unlikely that it would go to Articles for Deletion. Instead, it would be nominated for Speedy deletion, and unless you could then quickly make a valid argument for it to stay, would be deleted with days, perhaps hours, by an Administrator. I recommend you read Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, specifically G11, to understand why. David notMD (talk) 14:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Grey Matter Copy No, you could not be more wrong about the purpose of Wikipedia. Please review the five pillars. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Roofit Solar Energy draft re-submitted
Hello. My article Roofit Solar Energy was declined several days ago due to non-reliable sources. I had been waiting for it to be reviewed for 5 months and as it was declined, I edited all sources ad re-submitted it. Does this mean I have to wait again 5 months? I do not even know if this time it complies with all the rules. Can someone have a look at it and give me feedback? This is my first article here and I do care how it goes. Tea Mariamidze (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tea Mariamidze Drafts are reviewed in no specific order by volunteer editors; it is not a queue. It could take five minutes, or 6 months. There is no way to know exactly, but the better your draft is, the more likely someone will review it. I will note that your draft just tells about the company and what it does. A Wikipedia article should do more, it should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia defintion of a notable company. Please review the definition carefully. 331dot (talk) 12:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Is this vandal also on Wikipedia?
Recently, many Uncyclomedia wikis, including Uncyclopedia, Illogicopedia, and others have been hit by a specific socking vandal (known from here on as Svex 88134kg, or Svex for short). They have created over 50 sockpuppets on Uncyclomedia wikis and caused significant disruption.
Svex seems to know how to redirect pages and use the {{Unblock}} template, so I'm assuming that they have experience with wikitext, possibly from experience vandalizing/editing Wikipedia. I'm trying to find any signs of this vandal on Wikipedia, along with any other IPs they use and ways to stop them.
Svex frequently uses open proxies, though their own IP geolocates to Ningbo. They speak broken English and creates pages of obscure stars. I've checked WP:LTA and found no clues. For more information, see their entry on UN:LSD, our version of LTA, or ask me or Casspedia on our talk pages.
I don't know exactly where to ask, so I'm putting this in the Teahouse. If there is a more appropriate place, feel free to move this conversation. Hipponias (talk) 13:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Hipponias. As far as I can tell, it's a "no" for the English Wikipedia – at least not using any user name containing "Svex" to cause any widespread disruption. In order to come to that conclusion, I searched the archives of the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, and then widened the search to other locations. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Hipponias: I'm also probably a good person to ask, though of course I don't know everything, and it doesn't ring any bells for me. We do block a lot of proxies, and also have some extensive abuse filters, so they may not even get noticed, or get very far. If you have info on IP addresses, especially but not only their native ranges, then I may (or may not) know more. My talk page may be a good place for followup. -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Question about References
Good afternoon. Thank you for accepting me in the wikipedia community. I was writing my user page in order to practice) The most challengin part until now was to create correct references. The text I was writing is in English but one of the reference websites was provided exclusively in the Greek language. In this case is it correct in an English text to refer a foreign language website. In general, where I can find a guide for references and citations. I don't want to do any mistake. Is there any fellow editor who can correct and guide me in case I do a mistake? Antonis Theofanous (talk) 13:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Antonis Theofanous: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try reading Help:Referencing for beginners, and check out the links in the "See also" section that correspond to how you are creating references. You may use references in a foreign language on the English Wikipedia (and adding a
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in English is helpful). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)- Please see Wikipedia:User pages for what can and cannot be on a User page. It is NOT for referenced, article-like content about you. Look at other editors' User pages to get a better idea. If you want to practice stuff, use your Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Antonis Theofanous. Because your userpage was being used for this content, it was likely to be tagged for deletion and deleted at that location (under CSD U5). To avoid that result, I have taken the liberty of moving the page to the following location: User:Antonis Theofanous/sandbox, where practicing will be okay. Although subpages for use as sandboxes can be created at any title in your userspace (i.e., your exact username + a forward slash + some title), the title I've moved it to you should see linked at the top of the interface, under the name "Sandbox". Regarding your original question, in addition to the advice above, please see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources (WP:NONENG) for the policy allowing use of non-English sources. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:User pages for what can and cannot be on a User page. It is NOT for referenced, article-like content about you. Look at other editors' User pages to get a better idea. If you want to practice stuff, use your Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)