User talk:PackMecEng

Please self-revert

Please self-revert this edit which is being discussed. That is very well-established and long-standing content and should not be removed until a solid consensus is reached. That is the policy-based way to handle such content, and you know that. There is no consensus based on policy to remove that content, just the personal "I don't like it" objections of an editor who seems to ignore policies and practices. He does that a lot. -- Valjean (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

"He does that a lot" such aspersions aren't helpful. My edits have been supported by the emerging consensus and rewrites. It needed improvement, which is what happens with our collaborative editing model. You do not own that page. Mr Ernie (talk) 17:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Ernie, what does this have to do with you?? SPECIFICO talk 17:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

SPECIFICO, It is fairly clear that Erine is who Val is referring to. I would assume that is why Erine mentioned it. PackMecEng (talk) 22:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh. I took it to mean he was referring to a generic type of disruptive editor. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 22:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Antifa Dispute.

Hey to stop the back and forth I created a dispute resolution here. [1] 3Kingdoms (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021

You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard) for a period of 1 week for disruptive editing. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  – bradv🍁 00:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bradv: Ha! why so uppity? Just trying to make sure Acroterion does not make an ass of themselves? PackMecEng (talk) 00:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to prevent you from making an ass of yourself. Disrupting a noticeboard thread that isn't even about you isn't a very elegant thing to do. – bradv🍁 00:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Bradv, Well since neither you or them seem to have a handle of the situation and I know I was not planning on having involved tool use your comment is absurd. I mean seriously, I call out your ignorance of the situation and you call that disruptive? Get a clue buddy. PackMecEng (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Bradv Actually what was the disruption? Heck the last thing I did in that thread was hat off topic discussion. PackMecEng (talk) 00:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Bradv Do you plan on explaining your block and what was disruptive or not? This is getting into WP:ADMINACCT territory. PackMecEng (talk) 03:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Do you seriously not understand why I blocked you? Okay, let's review:

Of the 14 edits you made to WP:AN today, 3 were comparing other editors' comments to bullshit, another 2 were completely irrelevant to the matter at hand, 2 were edit warring over hatting other people's comments, and the remaining 7 were arguing with the people trying to get the conversation back on track. None of those edits accomplished anything useful, as evidenced by the fact that, without your continued participation, the conversation is getting back on track.

Pretending not to understand why this was disruptive, even while Acroterion and I were explaining it to you, isn't going to help your case. But if you would like another admin to review the facts, the instructions for appealing this block are posted above. I stand by my decision. – bradv🍁 03:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Bradv, Yeah I am just not seeing it buddy. I think you completely misread the situation on the page and my contribution. First they were bullshit and also BLP violations near that end, not sure why you are supporting those but not a good look to take ownership of that. What two were irrelevant to the matter at hand? Were they the ones asking Acroterion to stop being disruptive and going off track? You really need to back up ridiculous claims with diffs or just don't make them. 2 were edit warring? How does one revert make two diffs of edit warring? That kind of boggles the mind, again diffs would be helpful here. The last 7 were explained above. So again I have to ask, what is this based on? If you are unwilling or probably more accurately unable to justify your actions that is pretty telling. PackMecEng (talk) 03:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Your block was based on your active work to derail productive resolution at AN, and to actively try to discourage anybody else from getting it back on the rails. You certainly weren't helping out Storms598, if that was what you were trying to do - you were leading them farther into the woods. I endorse Bradv's block. Feel free to ask for review. Acroterion (talk) 04:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Acroterion, Wait wait wait... The guy that threatened an involved block because I called them on their own disruption endorses the block... Well I'll be darned. PackMecEng (talk) 04:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Arguing with an administrator doesn't make them involved. AVOIDBLOCK is not policy. – bradv🍁 04:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Bradv, See there you go again misrepresenting what happened. They threatened a block because I politely explained why they were wrong and not helping the situation. They then threw a tantrum, completely with a do you know who I am BS, and threatened a block. It was a nice thing of you to do it for them though so they don't make a fool of themselves though. I'm still waiting for some diffs on your stories above. I really want to know more about the 2 diffs of edit waring with only one revert. You know, making unsupported accusations like that without diffs is just plain old casting WP:ASPERSIONS. I mean what I am asking is not terribly hard here, or it shouldn't be. Do you plan on supporting your accusations and block or not? PackMecEng (talk) 04:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Its just that the back and forth was at the noticeboard. Had the same been at a user talk page it would have likely been a nonissue.--MONGO (talk) 06:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

MONGO, Yeah pretty much. I even tried to go the agree to disagree route but I think I hurt Acroterion's feelings because they just doubled down on the whining and threats after that. No idea what Bradv's issue with providing diffs to back up their claim is though. I am beginning to think they don't know how or just cant because it's BS. PackMecEng (talk) 11:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm not Bradv, but I can answer the diff question. Bradv doesn't need to provide the 14 diffs you requested because they aren't necessary. He already indicated what the offending edits were in a way that anybody can find them (by noting the time and location). And Bradv isn't required to convince the blocked editor (in this case you) that the block is correct in order for it to be valid. That's an impossibly high bar in most situations. If you think the block is not needed, all you need to do is convince a second admin of that. ~Awilley (talk) 15:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Awilley, Yeah not so much. They specifically misrepresented at least the edit warring accusation as I laid out above. If you think it is an impossibly high bar to present diffs to back up what you say you have another thing coming. Awilley, I like ya, really I do, but in this case you are just flat wrong. PackMecEng (talk) 15:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

As MONGO says, the venue matters. If you want to debate political science in userspace, that's up to you. Participation is voluntary. If you and BMK and Storms and Viriditas want to set up a debating society, have at it, just not at AN. You don't have to make the rest of us watch you take potshots at each pother. Derailing noticeboard discussions is another matter - and hijacking threads as you did is disruptive. Disruptive editors try the "you're involved now, go away" game all the time. It doesn't work, and it can't work, otherwise editors would find ways to immunize themselves by doing as you did, placing a chip on their shoulder and daring anyone to knock it off. AN is explicitly not a place for editors to debate tangential subjects, which is what you and two or three other editors were doing. The only one who demanded that that continue was you. Acroterion (talk) 15:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Acroterion, Oh wow that is quite the rant and strawman. If you read the conversation I offered to go our separate ways but you were not having it. Just doubling down on the same disruptive behavior. I don't know what the monkey on your back is, but let it go. You will be much happier in life. PackMecEng (talk) 15:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)