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I don't suppose that in <span class="nowrap"><code><nowiki>{{service awards |year= |month= |day= |edits=}}</nowiki></code></span>, a switch exists for the |edit= parameter so that it automatically pulls my edit count from the XTools Edit counter, rather than requiring a hard figure be inputted by the user (e.g. |edit=auto or |edit=5116)? I'm assuming probably not at this time, but I'd like to suggest it for a future update. — [[User:CJDOS|CJDOS, Sheridan, OR]] ([[User talk:CJDOS|talk]]) 04:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC) |
I don't suppose that in <span class="nowrap"><code><nowiki>{{service awards |year= |month= |day= |edits=}}</nowiki></code></span>, a switch exists for the |edit= parameter so that it automatically pulls my edit count from the XTools Edit counter, rather than requiring a hard figure be inputted by the user (e.g. |edit=auto or |edit=5116)? I'm assuming probably not at this time, but I'd like to suggest it for a future update. — [[User:CJDOS|CJDOS, Sheridan, OR]] ([[User talk:CJDOS|talk]]) 04:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Updating large service ribbons for Grand Tutnum and higher levels
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If one reviews the various enWiki awards ribbons one can see that, in general, the small (72px) versions of the ribbons very closely match the larger (120px) versions of the ribbons. However, the large and small ribbons for service awards differ quite greatly from each other beginning at Grand Tutnum. In addition, the award stars used on the current large ribbons do not match the convention used in attaching service stars and 5/16 inch stars to medals and ribbons, viz. a bronze or gold star represents an additional award, while a silver star is used in lieu of five bronze or gold stars. I have taken the liberty of redesigning the large ribbons to use bronze and silver service stars, as those are more appropriate for service awards, as well as redesigning them to match the small ribbons. However, prior to uploading more than twenty images to Commons to create a table (which I have started here), I wanted to know if there was any desire to update those images. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 08:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds OK to me. I can't really visualize it, can you show an example? Or I'm willing to trust your judgement. Herostratus (talk) 14:02, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Herostratus: I'll try to upload the images tonight. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 22:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Herostratus: here is the
transcludedtable. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 01:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
° | Level name | Current images | Proposed image #1 (service stars) |
Proposed image #2 (match small ribbons) | |
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Small Ribbon | Large Ribbon | ||||
1 | Registered Editor | No change | |||
2 | Novice Editor | No change | |||
3 | Apprentice Editor | No change | |||
4 | Journeyman Editor | No change | |||
5 | Yeoman Editor | No change | |||
6 | Experienced Editor | No change | |||
7 | Veteran Editor | No change | |||
8 | Veteran Editor II | ||||
9 | Veteran Editor III | ||||
10 | Veteran Editor IV | ||||
11 | Senior Editor | ||||
12 | Senior Editor II | ||||
13 | Senior Editor III | ||||
14 | Master Editor | ||||
15 | Master Editor II | ||||
16 | Master Editor III | ||||
17 | Master Editor IV | ||||
18 | Grandmaster Editor | ||||
19 | Grandmaster Editor First-Class | ||||
20 | Vanguard Editor |
Well, sure. This looks fine to me. Anybody have any objections? Herostratus (talk) 02:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
- Looks good. No objections. VMS Mosaic (talk) 12:49, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
- Do you have a preference? I like the striped ribbons since they match the small ones. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 04:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
- Oh I get it, we're 1) assuming the small ribbons are to stay as is, and 2) looking at two possible versions for the large ribbon. OK. Well, they're both good... the idea of matching the small ribbons is a virtue, but the other version is nice in a different way. Can't decide! Herostratus (talk) 22:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Dear Jkudlick, Thanks for doing this. It's an improvement in most places. However, I think it really needs a little bit more work! Basically, the design is inconsistent with the naming scheme. For instance "Senior Editor" has four (dark) stars and the next level SE 2 has one (bright) star. A more logical choice would be to keep the groups together, but differentiate clearly between groups while keeping the number of star relatively low. So, Senior Editor: 1 star, SE2: 2 stars, SE3: 3 stars. Followed by Master Editor: 1 star -- ME 4: stars but use thin gold colour marking around the purple or something like this .
For Grandmaster Editor and above, I am not happy that the wheels are supposed to be replaced. What is wrong with the current design? The solution you are proposing for the top three levels is not very elegant and makes these levels indistinct from the levels below. The current design really reflects the naming. Please don't change these. Many thanks! Mootros (talk) 16:07, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Mootros: If you go to WP:RIBBONS, you will notice that the vast majority of small ribbons match the large ribbons. The stars I used follow the convention used by service stars where one silver star is used in lieu of five bronze stars, and the striped versions match the smaller ribbons. I think the ribbon designs for Senior Editor and above could be reworked. I will probably do that and re-upload new striped versions. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- I forgot to answer your question about the ship's wheels. Right now, I'm on my phone, and the three ribbons are literally indistinguishable; they are even hard to tell apart on a PC screen. The point of the ribbon is to easily tell what award is represented, so that is why I feel they need to be changed. Not many editors legitimately hold the title of Grandmaster or GM FC, and I don't think there are any legitimate Vanguards, so there won't be too many images being changed. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 04:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- I see, this is something from the US forces. I think that's the problem why it seems to make no sense. It's not widely known and there is no apparent link to Wikipedia. Why can we not have something more creative, rather than following something obscure as a uniformed US services?
- Yes, I agree there is no point changing the wheels as almost no one legitimately uses them at the moment. Yes, in the long run we can make them more distinguishable. This could easily be done be having a silver wheel for the top level and possibly only two wheels for lower levels. https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Veteran_Editor_Ribbon_2_wheels.png Mootros (talk) 05:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- I agree the use of the service stars is US-centric, which is part of the reason I prefer the stripes. I recall seeing ribbons with one, two, and three wheels somewhere, and I think those would certainly be distinguishable enough from each other for the top three levels. I can try to make smaller versions of those in lieu of the current striped ones, and I'll eventually make SVGs of all the ribbons. I'm considering different color schemes for the Veteran, Senior, and Master levels. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 05:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you kindly. This sounds great! To be honest I think the lower levels might needs some overhaul too. They look quite scruffy. I very much like the idea of different colours to denote groups. I think you could also combine two colours; the trick would be to have subtle difference/ i.e. shades of different colours for each levels that nonetheless are still clearly distinguishable. This would avoid a potential clash of colours and possible circus look ;-). I trust your judgement; from what you already designed its looks very neat. Cheers! Mootros (talk) 05:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'll start working on them later, but I think converting the lower levels to SVG will do a lot to help them look cleaner, but given what has been discussed already, I may begin a larger overhaul. I'll be sure to post the results here before making changes to the service award templates and pages. There is no need to worry about a "circus look;" I have an interest in heraldry and vexillology, both of which also believe that simpler is usually better. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you kindly. This sounds great! To be honest I think the lower levels might needs some overhaul too. They look quite scruffy. I very much like the idea of different colours to denote groups. I think you could also combine two colours; the trick would be to have subtle difference/ i.e. shades of different colours for each levels that nonetheless are still clearly distinguishable. This would avoid a potential clash of colours and possible circus look ;-). I trust your judgement; from what you already designed its looks very neat. Cheers! Mootros (talk) 05:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- I agree the use of the service stars is US-centric, which is part of the reason I prefer the stripes. I recall seeing ribbons with one, two, and three wheels somewhere, and I think those would certainly be distinguishable enough from each other for the top three levels. I can try to make smaller versions of those in lieu of the current striped ones, and I'll eventually make SVGs of all the ribbons. I'm considering different color schemes for the Veteran, Senior, and Master levels. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 05:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
@Herostratus, VMS Mosaic, and Mootros: Here is an updated table. I have converted all of the larger ribbons to SVGs with updated designs and proposed names for the higher levels to kind of match the Grandmaster First Class name. I'm not sure why the PNG preview for the Registered Editor ribbons renders that way, but if you look at the original file you can see what I thought I had uploaded; that first level may require a total redesign if SVGs are to be used. I changed the ribbon colors for the Yeoman and Experienced levels to match Journeyman, since it seems somewhat more rational to me. As always, feel free to comment. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 09:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- Wow, excellent work! I can see your approach certainly is elegance through a clear and simple design. Two minor points: The light blue for "Apprentice Editor" looks slightly out of place now. I think gold without any dot might be a more logical choice, which will also mirror the sequence between "Veteran Editor" and "Veteran Editor II". The second point, I think the different strip colours between "Veteran Editor II-IV" and the "Senior Editors" is back to front. I feel it might be better to have "silver" strips first and than the "gold" strips. This type of colour progression would then also mirror the sequence between the silver of the "Novice Editor" and gold above, as well as the silver stars and gold wheels. Apart from that almost perfect, IMHO! Many thanks! Mootros (talk) 10:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- About the changes in names. I suggested two simple name changes for the lower levels for better consistency. The was not welcomed by one editor. I am happy to have the names reviewed and altered, but I suggest to do this separately from the ribbon design. Thanks! Mootros (talk) 10:43, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- Very nice @Jkudlick! My final comment: To advance your concept of minimalism further, it might be worthwhile to check and possibly fine tune the key colours: Sliver, Gold, Purple. I think, if we have three basic colours (ignoring the red for the tildes), it might further improve the overall appearance and consistency. What I am saying is, you might want to try matching the reappearance of the colours: i.e. the gold of the Apprentice and Journeymen could reappear in the strips of Senior Editors. I think, this slightly darker tone of gold might give more elegance than the brighter yellow and of course links the different levels. Similar the silver of the dots could be identical to the silver of strips and stars, but it possibly already is. See what it looks like; it might make the difference to be top-notch. Cheers, Mootros (talk) 05:10, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- I've made the stripes on the Senior Editor levels and the ship's wheels on the GM/Vanguard levels darker to match the bronze gold of the lower levels (though I kind of like the brighter gold on the wheels). I also matched the silver of the Registered/Novice levels to the silver used at all other levels, and made the tildes and incremental stripes purple. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- Great! Yes, maybe revert to the brighter gold for the wheels; it might give a bit of extra contrast for the top levels. I like the purple tildes! Mootros (talk) 06:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- Done I'll begin working on the smaller ribbons later. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- Great! Yes, maybe revert to the brighter gold for the wheels; it might give a bit of extra contrast for the top levels. I like the purple tildes! Mootros (talk) 06:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- I've made the stripes on the Senior Editor levels and the ship's wheels on the GM/Vanguard levels darker to match the bronze gold of the lower levels (though I kind of like the brighter gold on the wheels). I also matched the silver of the Registered/Novice levels to the silver used at all other levels, and made the tildes and incremental stripes purple. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- Very nice @Jkudlick! My final comment: To advance your concept of minimalism further, it might be worthwhile to check and possibly fine tune the key colours: Sliver, Gold, Purple. I think, if we have three basic colours (ignoring the red for the tildes), it might further improve the overall appearance and consistency. What I am saying is, you might want to try matching the reappearance of the colours: i.e. the gold of the Apprentice and Journeymen could reappear in the strips of Senior Editors. I think, this slightly darker tone of gold might give more elegance than the brighter yellow and of course links the different levels. Similar the silver of the dots could be identical to the silver of strips and stars, but it possibly already is. See what it looks like; it might make the difference to be top-notch. Cheers, Mootros (talk) 05:10, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
° | Level name | Current designs | Updated designs | Incremental awards | ||||
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Large Ribbon | Small Ribbon | Large Ribbon | Small Ribbon | Level 2 | Level 3 | Level4 | ||
1 | Registered Editor | |||||||
2 | Novice Editor | |||||||
3 | Apprentice Editor | |||||||
4 | Journeyman Editor | |||||||
5 | Yeoman Editor | |||||||
6 | Experienced Editor | N/A | ||||||
7 | Veteran Editor | N/A | ||||||
8 | Veteran Editor II | N/A | ||||||
9 | Veteran Editor III | N/A | ||||||
10 | Veteran Editor IV | N/A | ||||||
11 | Senior Editor | N/A | ||||||
12 | Senior Editor II | N/A | ||||||
13 | Senior Editor III | N/A | ||||||
14 | Master Editor | N/A | ||||||
15 | Master Editor II | N/A | ||||||
16 | Master Editor III | N/A | ||||||
17 | Master Editor IV | N/A | ||||||
18 | Grandmaster Editor | N/A | ||||||
19 | Grandmaster Editor First-Class | N/A | ||||||
20 | Vanguard Editor | N/A |
- I'll adjust the sizes of the SVGs later tonight - I had read that 218x60 was optimal for making SVGs of ribbon bars, but it seems that Wikipedia ribbons are proportionately 20% taller than that. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 09:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- These look fine to me. Herostratus (talk) 13:58, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Mootros, Herostratus, and VMS Mosaic: I've updated the SVGs per the comments above. If these are acceptable to everyone, I will make the necessary adjustments to any templates and to the small ribbons so that they match the larger ribbons. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Mootros, Herostratus, and VMS Mosaic: Small ribbons are done. I've just noticed that the medal images for the first six levels will probably need updating if they are to remain visually similar to these new ribbon bars. I do not have the necessary graphics software to make those changes. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- I'll deal with the change, as long as the old versions are retained so they can still be displayed, including by those who currently do so.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:51, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- Wait, what? There's no need to retain the old versions. We just load the new images over the old ones, right? We don't want or need two or more versions of the same thing to be be extant, right? Herostratus (talk) 12:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- Agree, no point in a parallel scheme. Everything will properly display as images are updated. Mootros (talk) 03:40, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
- Keep the "old" ones and allow editors the choice, or, maybe just "go back" to the original ones. Several editors did a good faith project here, but, for me at least, the new approach kind of lessens the fun of seeing these ribbons on user pages. The "older" ones come across to me as colorful, festive, and brighter. These new ribbons have a World War II look. Was this change on rfc, or other noticeboards? Thanks. Randy Kryn 02:08, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn: The only notices that I saw on any templates prompted discussion here, and not at any other noticeboards. There is no requirement for a formal RfC, so I began discussion here regarding the mismatch between the small and large ribbons. I saw that I was getting comments from editors who helped create this system years ago who supported the idea and liked the way I was designing the ribbons, so I took the ball and ran with it. If you wish to begin a formal RfC, I will gladly participate and abide by the results.
- Regarding whether to display the old ribbons - that is of course one's own choice. There is a real-world history of being allowed to choose whether to display an award which was superseded or the new award, but once the recipient began displaying the new award, they were not allowed to display the old one. I have no problem if others choose to display the older awards. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:20, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
- Wait, what? There's no need to retain the old versions. We just load the new images over the old ones, right? We don't want or need two or more versions of the same thing to be be extant, right? Herostratus (talk) 12:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry for being late to the discussion, but I just noticed that this change was implemented, and I dislike it. The old color scheme looked better and differentiated each level, in addition to looking like "real" ribbons and not some computer-generated shapes that we now have. It would be nice if the templates for the awards included parameters that allows for the choice between the new and old designs, maybe with the new designs as the default. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 00:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't quite happy with how the large ribbons looked, so I added shadows to give depth. I will do the same to the small ribbons in the coming week. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 21:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! Herostratus (talk) 02:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Getting ahead of the game on level 22 service award
Okay, we finally got level 21 out of the door a year and a half late, so I thought I'd be on the ball and get us started on level 22, the 20 year service award, in time to actually get it pushed out by the 20th anniversary. To start with, I have some images as an idea:
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floor plan of The Great Library of Alecyclopedias, signed by Jimbo with a silver marker, and including its cardboard carrying tube.
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Ultimate Vanguard Editor Ribbon
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Small Ultimate Vanguard Editor Ribbon
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Orichalcum Editor Star with Neutronium Superstar hologram
As I said above, I'd like to go to 12,500 per year for this service award, and then bump up to 15,000/year after this so we can have the 25 year award at 250,000. And if anyone knows where the source images for the medals can be found, I still would like to be able to start from scratch for this one. VanIsaacWScont 11:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Building the level 22 service award
Please edit
Ultimate Vanguard Editor (or Cardinal Gom, the August Togneme of the Encyclopedia) | |||||||
{{Ultimate Vanguard Editor}} | {{Cardinal Gom}} |
{{Ultimate Vanguard Editor Ribbon}} [[File:Editorrib22.svg]] {{Ultimate Vanguard Editor topicon}} |
Requirements:
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- I like it, but didn't we already use orichalcum? Double sharp (talk) 07:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yep, looks like Master Editor IV already took it. Dang, I thought it was perfect for the color the medal ended up. VanIsaacWScont 17:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- P.S. Just my personal beef, but I never liked how the little stars disappeared past Grandmaster Editor from the medals. Double sharp (talk) 07:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Most of the individual templates are presently complete. Have we any ideas for the metal to use for the medal since orichalcum was already done? Vibranium or Adamantium, perhaps? I will build the templates for the standard and userbox medal templates, and they can be edited later to correct the metal type. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 23:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- I pulled Orichalcum (and Duranium for level 21) from the List of fictional metals page. I feel like anything with a blue link there is probably appropriate. I'm going to go to that page and try linking all the metals to see which ones might have a link but are currently unlinked. My ethic was to try to expose people to a fictional world they may not have heard of before, which is why I shied away from things like Vibranium and Adamantium, but that says more about me than it does about anything else. VanIsaacWScont 10:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest going for the real superheavies next time (mumble mumble island of stability). I would quite like a nice silvery darmstadtium (eka-platinum) or roentgenium (eka-gold) award. ^_^ Alas, this one's the wrong colour for either. Hmm... Double sharp (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Meitnerium is named for a female physicist, so a bit of representation might be nice as well. VanIsaacWScont 23:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Also works, being eka-iridium and hence another plausible precious metal. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- I like the idea of meitnerium. If there are no objections over the weekend, I will update the templates to correct the wording and update {{Service awards}} and {{Service award progress}}. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 04:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- I am not sure the colour is right, though. I guess no one has predicted it, but mostly the platinum group metals are whitish, with some blue tinge for osmium, yellow for iridium. Or we could just handwave and say it's some sort of superheavy alloy... Double sharp (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- I like the idea of meitnerium. If there are no objections over the weekend, I will update the templates to correct the wording and update {{Service awards}} and {{Service award progress}}. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 04:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Also works, being eka-iridium and hence another plausible precious metal. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Meitnerium is named for a female physicist, so a bit of representation might be nice as well. VanIsaacWScont 23:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest going for the real superheavies next time (mumble mumble island of stability). I would quite like a nice silvery darmstadtium (eka-platinum) or roentgenium (eka-gold) award. ^_^ Alas, this one's the wrong colour for either. Hmm... Double sharp (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- I pulled Orichalcum (and Duranium for level 21) from the List of fictional metals page. I feel like anything with a blue link there is probably appropriate. I'm going to go to that page and try linking all the metals to see which ones might have a link but are currently unlinked. My ethic was to try to expose people to a fictional world they may not have heard of before, which is why I shied away from things like Vibranium and Adamantium, but that says more about me than it does about anything else. VanIsaacWScont 10:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- Most of the individual templates are presently complete. Have we any ideas for the metal to use for the medal since orichalcum was already done? Vibranium or Adamantium, perhaps? I will build the templates for the standard and userbox medal templates, and they can be edited later to correct the metal type. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 23:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I have edited the metal on the medal awards and updated the coding in {{Service awards}}. I think I updated {{Service award progress}} properly, but I'd appreciate additional eyes to look at my work. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 01:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
- It all looks good to me, thanks for taking this on. If nobody wants to make any more changes, I guess we can roll this out. On hold until 15 January, 2021 VanIsaacWScont 07:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi guys, I'm new to Wikipedia and thinking about these service awards. (Right now, I'm just a very new user with a record of being a Registered Editor Level 4.) It seems like Wikipedians have already defined such an Ultimate Vanguard Editor, although it has not been uncovered on the official page of it yet. What I mean by my statement is that people have already been defining the next Wikipedia service award. I think this specification is a good one. I'm just giving a review about this "Ultimate Vanguard Editor" service award. Friend505 18:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree that this award, Ultimate Vanguard Editor can be launched on January 15, 2021. Friend505 18:17, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi guys, I'm new to Wikipedia and thinking about these service awards. (Right now, I'm just a very new user with a record of being a Registered Editor Level 4.) It seems like Wikipedians have already defined such an Ultimate Vanguard Editor, although it has not been uncovered on the official page of it yet. What I mean by my statement is that people have already been defining the next Wikipedia service award. I think this specification is a good one. I'm just giving a review about this "Ultimate Vanguard Editor" service award. Friend505 18:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- It all looks good to me, thanks for taking this on. If nobody wants to make any more changes, I guess we can roll this out. On hold until 15 January, 2021 VanIsaacWScont 07:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- How about changing the cardboard carrying tube in the 18 and 20 years images to some kind of metal tubing, made from the golden center of a collapsed star or something. It just seems unreasonable that someone who has earned the floor plan of the Great Library of Alecyclopedias (which is portrayed as a pretty important place) would be careless enough to keep it laying around in susceptible-to-the-elements cardboard tubing. I can see the irony of "it's cool to have this but I know its worthless proper place in the general scheme of things" but, naw, this seems to cheapen the achievement a little bit too much. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Change of heart, the cardboard is fine and humourous (just don't get it wet). But how about... adding Jimbo's signature to the 18 year image instead and then...since this will be the 20th and take us back to the start...include both Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger's signature on the 20th! (or at least provide two options?) Just throwing out an idea. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:46, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Rolled out
As we are already in the 20th year of Wikipedia, I have rolled out the level 22 service award. MarioJump83! 03:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Clarification of Requirements Table
The table with the number of edits and "time" contradicts the text later on in the page indicating that the "time" is account age. I think that most people would read the table as X number of edits in Y timespan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scuba Penguin (talk • contribs) 09:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Scuba Penguin: This is a fair point of view, and I've made a change that I hope clarifies that it's not "x edits in y time" but rather "at least x edits and at least y time." — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 00:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Large gap between first paragraph and TOC
Am I the only one who sees a big gap between the first paragraph(s) of the article and the table of contents? DaveRainbowin (talk) 23:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- It seems to be pushed down by the "Service Awards" list box template thingy. DaveRainbowin (talk) 23:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- @DaveRainbowin: The use of {{TOC left}} seems to have conflicted with {{clear left}}. Most of the tinkering I've done is much further down the page, so I didn't even notice how it appeared. Thanks for the notice. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 00:24, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
How about some post-nominal letters?
How about some official post-nominal letters? Obviously a Most Pluperfect Labutnum can call themselves SomeEditorName, MPL, but we could formalise that. I draw my inspiration from someone who decided to use post-nominals "RSSA" in correspondence; if challenged—it rarely was—this expanded to "Regular Subscriber to Scientific American". Best wishes, Pol098, RSNS (talk) 23:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- I wholeheartedly support this frivolous nonsense. BD2412 T 23:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- I also support this frivolity, and have placed it into practice in my own signature block. — Jkudlick EE(GM) ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 01:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- What kind of a monster would devise such a thing? I am totally on board, as my new signature will attest: VanIsaac, MPLL WScont 06:30, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- A serious comment: I don't think it's a good idea to add it to one's Wikipedia signature, either as part of the signature or typed in manually; it makes a distinction between the perceived authority of editors—all should be equal. I wasn't thinking of uses when I made the suggestion; maybe I'd add letters after my name when writing to government departments or companies, or maybe non-WP forums? Best wishes Pol098 (talk) 15:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- What kind of a monster would devise such a thing? I am totally on board, as my new signature will attest: VanIsaac, MPLL WScont 06:30, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- I also support this frivolity, and have placed it into practice in my own signature block. — Jkudlick EE(GM) ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 01:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think it's a bad idea. It's not really what the Service Awards are for: they are a reward, and they are something for you user page for people who are looking at your use page, which is usually when they engaged in some kind of enterprise with you (dispute, cooperative project, whatever) and they want to see who they're dealing with -- a Service Award on a userpage provides one part of the user's self-descriptiojn, along with perhaps userboxes or a brief autobio or articles written or statement of interests or whatever. It's not a key part of your identity to be held out every time you make a comment. Why not instead show your languages (JoeSmith EN1 ES2), that'd be as useful. Or admin status (JoeSmith, admin), that's key to know, or project memberships (JoeSmith WWIIProjMem) or so forth. Geographical location. Age, gender. How much milk you drink daily (JoeSmith, .75l mlk), hairstyle, golf handicap. JoeSmith DIW for Delightfully Insouciant Wikipedian. JoeSmith STY for Smarter Than You. There's a plethora of MBE type stuff you could use instead! Herostratus (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think any inclusion of a Service Award anywhere is a form of self-deprecation (some of my wife's relatives just found out how much WP editing I have done and now they always look at me as if I'm some sort of peculiar exhibit in a Wunderkammer). But I am proud of being self-deprecating, so I am not sure what it all means. Mr.choppers | ✎ 10:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think it's a bad idea. It's not really what the Service Awards are for: they are a reward, and they are something for you user page for people who are looking at your use page, which is usually when they engaged in some kind of enterprise with you (dispute, cooperative project, whatever) and they want to see who they're dealing with -- a Service Award on a userpage provides one part of the user's self-descriptiojn, along with perhaps userboxes or a brief autobio or articles written or statement of interests or whatever. It's not a key part of your identity to be held out every time you make a comment. Why not instead show your languages (JoeSmith EN1 ES2), that'd be as useful. Or admin status (JoeSmith, admin), that's key to know, or project memberships (JoeSmith WWIIProjMem) or so forth. Geographical location. Age, gender. How much milk you drink daily (JoeSmith, .75l mlk), hairstyle, golf handicap. JoeSmith DIW for Delightfully Insouciant Wikipedian. JoeSmith STY for Smarter Than You. There's a plethora of MBE type stuff you could use instead! Herostratus (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there anybody that owns the Ultimate Vanguard Editor service award?
I must know, as if there is only one, maybe they can be put as the sole...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xdude gamer (talk • contribs)
- The idea is to be ahead of the game, so with Wikipedia just over 20 years old we need a service award system that allows for the possibility of people having been here for twenty years. In ten years time we will likely be looking at thirty year awards, and will probably have a number of editors who have been here much more than twenty years. Mind you it should be possible to start a table of people who first validly claimed various awards - though this could get contentious if people are counting more than one account in their qualification. ϢereSpielChequers 18:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, sounds like a good plan. I was thinking it would be something like that, but I was not necessarily sure.
- Thanks! xdude (talk) 11:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- To add a bit, I did some research (by sorting Special:ListUsers by creation date), and assuming we don't count multiple accounts, by far, the closest user to earning this award is User:The Anome. (Not linked on purpose) More than enough edits but unfortunately their account doesn't turn 20 years old until November. All other accounts that are 20 years old or semi close to it don't have nearly enough edits. However, this does not include the time before the software update that deleted everything at that time, but there also isn't really a reliable way to count this. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 12:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC), edited 12:39, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Automatic edit count input switch
I don't suppose that in {{service awards |year= |month= |day= |edits=}}
, a switch exists for the |edit= parameter so that it automatically pulls my edit count from the XTools Edit counter, rather than requiring a hard figure be inputted by the user (e.g. |edit=auto or |edit=5116)? I'm assuming probably not at this time, but I'd like to suggest it for a future update. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 04:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)