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Nationality in the lead

I am starting a discussion about whether the lead should say he's an "Albanian-Swiss" singer or simply "Swiss". John07234 explained quite well (in my opinion) in an edit summery why it should be simply "Swiss", however it got reverted several times. I accepted the latest reversion per WP:STATUSQUO but hopefully the editors who reverted it can join in the discussion. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:23, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have extended-confirmed protected this article for one week while the dispute is worked out. Any extended-confirmed editor can make noncontroversial changes to the article during the protection period. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,I don't even know where to start. As I said his parents are from Albania and Kosovo (Father from Kosovo and Mother from Albania) when he was born "Kosovars" didn't have their own passport^[1] while Albania had. So (even if it is an assumption) he Had to use an Albanian passport(from his mother) as a document until he received the Swiss one since in order to take Swiss citizenship he had to wait many years^[2].Now, what is the problem having "Albanian" ethnicity? He's carrier started in Albania when he appeared in "Albanians Got Talent" show (yes he used to sing and perform before that but not in a stage), he tried to represent Albania in Eurovision 2 times ^[3], he has a hit song in Albania which topped charts^[4], he is currently in Albania giving interviews in media and will do a tour in different regions in Albania. The guy removing the "Albanian" part says "We do not care about origin" and add "Greek singer" to Eleni Foureira song, this double standards. For example when I see Stefania who was born in Netherlands it's mentioned Greek-Dutch. I didn't remove Swiss in the page, I only reverted the removed Albanian nationality. Giving reference to other Albanian artists because they don't have Albanian nationality in the beginning it's not an argument,the other artists have different backgrounds compared to Gjon, his nationality is relevant and he doesn't have an almost-exclusive carrier in Switzerland,if it's the same we should remove "Greek" to foreign artists who have Greek origins. I have no problem seeing Greek mentioned but why this is a problem for having Albanian. The guy who I'm arguing is only removing Albanian nationality in most of he's edits. He gave no comment why he removed the Albanian part until I rv his edits and started saying "WE DO NOT CARE" who is "WE"? That's why I assumed that was trolling in the first time but when he gave explaination it felt he was targeting Albanian artists and felt somewhat racist. I wasn't in Foureira's page (check it if you want). To whoever reading this please try to understand my reasoning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:E211:4400:D9F0:8680:A420:2DA4 (talk) 02:33, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport_of_Kosovo
^ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_nationality_law
^ 2021/04/20/gjons-tears-10-facts-about-switzerlands-eurovision-2021-singer/264451/
^ https:/amp/s/eurovisionary.com/gjons-tears-babi-in-focus-discover-other-music-from-eurovision-2021-acts/amp/

The only sufficient reasoning to put "Albanian" in the lead would have been if an Albanian nationality existed in proof, all the other stuff are totally irrelevant. And no I'm not discriminating Albanians, more rather following precisely the rules of wikipedia which have to provide very accurate and specific information. And just saying I was the one I reverted an edit in Greek wiki in Anxhela Peristeri's wiki page that smn referred Anxhela as "Greek" in the lead and not "Albanian". And yes, the account "Eurofan2000" is also mine. So the one about my "aversion" to Albania/ns is totally out of place. Anyways, passport is what makes u taking the eponym of the country and till an official source reassuring his passport is found "Albanian" is practically not feasible to be put in the lead. ~John07234 (talk) 13:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Does it matter whether or not he has an Albanian passport? The Manual of Style page that you linked earlier in an edit summary (MOS:BIO) does not mention passports at all, only whether or not it is relevant to the subject's notability. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 13:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both matter, if u check comment made in Dua Lipa's view source it says she is written as "British" and not "British-Kosovan" as there is not a reliable source that proves an Albanian citizenship. Same goes with Gjon so only "Swiss" should be mentioned in the lead, every other stuff mentioned above is irrelevant.John07234 (talk) 18:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.54.212.246 (talk) [reply]

[1] ttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport_of_Kosovo

[2] ttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_nationality_law

[3] 2021/04/20/gjons-tears-10-facts-about-switzerlands-eurovision-2021-singer/264451/

[4] ttps:/amp/s/eurovisionary.com/gjons-tears-babi-in-focus-discover-other-music-from-eurovision-2021-acts/amp/

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	::Does it matter whether or not he has an Albanian passport? The Manual of Style page that you linked earlier in an edit summary ([[MOS:BIO]]) does not mention passports at all, only whether or not it is relevant to the subject's notability. &horbar;[[User:Jochem van Hees\|Jochem van Hees]] ([[User talk:Jochem van Hees\|talk]]) 13:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)		::Does it matter whether or not he has an Albanian passport? The Manual of Style page that you linked earlier in an edit summary ([[MOS:BIO]]) does not mention passports at all, only whether or not it is relevant to the subject's notability. &horbar;[[User:Jochem van Hees\|Jochem van Hees]] ([[User talk:Jochem van Hees\|talk]]) 13:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

	: Both matter, if u check comment made in Dua Lipa's view source it says she is written as "British" and not "British-Kosovan" as there is not a reliable source that proves an Albanian citizenship. Same goes with Gjon so only "Swiss" should be mentioned in the lead, every other stuff mentioned ~~abo\ove~~ is irrelevant.[[User:John07234 \|John07234 ]] <small>([[User talk:John07234 \|talk]])</small> 18:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC) ~~<!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->~~<small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/5.54.212.246\|5.54.212.246]] ([[User talk:5.54.212.246#top\|talk]]) </small~~> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--~~>		: Both matter, if u check comment made in Dua Lipa's view source it says she is written as "British" and not "British-Kosovan" as there is not a reliable source that proves an Albanian citizenship. Same goes with Gjon so only "Swiss" should be mentioned in the lead, every other stuff mentioned above is irrelevant.[[User:John07234 \|John07234 ]] <small>([[User talk:John07234 \|talk]])</small> 18:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/5.54.212.246\|5.54.212.246]] ([[User talk:5.54.212.246#top\|talk]]) </small>