Talk:UEFA European Championship

Correct the Map

In the Map of Best results Albania never had part in Yugoslavia, and put Kosovo map because had recognition in UEFA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.109.250.2 (talk) 22:31, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

If czechoslovakia won the tournamenmt once, why is only chechia coloured as champions and not slowakia???86.86.185.56 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:58, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

- and similarly, if Yugoslavia were in the finals, why is Serbia coloured as a finalist whereas the other parts of the former Yugoslavia just get a little dot? And the same for the Soviet Union - Russia is marked as a champion, everyone else gets a dot (a white one, so you can't even work out what they did "as part of the Soviet Union"). There seems to be a very dodgy principle being applied in this map, namely that Serbia, Russia and the Czech Republic "inherited" the status of Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia respectively - I bet the Slovaks, Croats, Ukrainians and so on are not best pleased about that. 86.13.184.107 (talk) 21:10, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Finalists table

I see we've had another instance of someone challenging the Czech Republic's claim to the 1976 title on the basis that the Czechoslovakia team that won that tournament was mostly made up of Slovakian players. The reason why we list the Czech Republic as having won the competition in 1976 is because UEFA and FIFA consider the Czech Republic to be one of the successors to the record of the former Czechoslovakia; they also consider Slovakia to be a successor, but since Slovakia has not reached the final of the European Championship as an independent nation (whereas the Czech Republic did in 1996), we don't list them in the table. – PeeJay 10:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@85.216.146.9: Instead of edit-warring and making inflammatory edit summaries, perhaps you could discuss your grievances in an appropriate forum (such as this)? – PeeJay 14:38, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@PeeJay2K3:, that's interesting. Can you show where FIFA and UEFA have said Slovakia is a successor to Czechoslovakia? I thought at first this was established in previous discussions on this page. But I found other discussions where the issue came up including Talk:UEFA European Championship/Archive 1#West Germany or Germany?, Talk:UEFA European Championship/Archive 1#Current editwar, Talk:UEFA European Championship/Archive 1#USSR and Yugo, Talk:UEFA European Championship/Archive 1#predecessors however none of them seem to establish it, in fact it doesn't ever really seemed to be mentioned. The one source I saw mentioned that was potentially relevant is [1] which establishes that UEFA may consider Czechia as a successor to Czechoslovakia, but provides no clarity on Slovakia.

So I've looked a bit wider and found several discussions: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 99#UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying Czech Republic & Slovakia Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying#Continuous editing of the notes on qualified teams, Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification#Slovakia's appearance at the 2010 world cup is their first and not their 9th, Talk:UEFA#Slovakia, Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying/Archive 1#Slovakia's record in past Euros, Talk:FIFA World Cup/Archive 5#Edit request from 123.20.47.192, 20 September 2011, Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup/Archive 1#slovakia's WC history, Talk:Czechoslovakia national football team#Czechoslovakian football history = Czech Republic football history?, Talk:UEFA Euro 2016/Archive 1#Slovakia and Czech Republic and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 31#FIFA attributes the honours of Czechoslovakia to both Czechia and Slovakia. But these don't really seem to establish it either.

From reading these discussions which linked to sources, it sounds like both FIFA and UEFA have at times listed Slovakia as a successor to Czechoslovakia e.g. by listing Czechoslovakia's previous records as Slovakia's. But at other times they have not. And these have even been some changes in one FIFA page over time whether it lists Czechoslovakia's records under Slovakia, let alone other pages or info. Heck even Czechia doesn't always seem to inherit Czechoslovakia's records. And notably none of these link to any official FIFA or UEFA position that I saw. (I think there is one for Serbia.)

BTW I also came across Talk:UEFA Euro 2016#Slovakia debut?, Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup qualification#Qualification table, Talk:Serbia national football team/Archive 1#Only Serbia, Talk:FIFA World Cup/Archive 4#Successor states/Inheritors of records, Talk:UEFA#disputed/contradiction section, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 100#RfC on a football-related article, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 21#Result maps, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 21#Successor nations, Talk:Northern Ireland national football team#First Game, etc and a few more I read but seemed too unimportant to link but ignored these as while they may make claims, they don't seem to link to any relevant sources for the Slovakia issue. (Some do provide sources for others including Czechia.) This actually sounded hopeful but there was nothing Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 61#UEFA Euro qualification (again). BTW, I see in the first link from 2016 you said the opposite, if you don't mind me asking, what changed your mind?

I double checked some of the sources mentioned in the earlier discussions and my checks seem to concur. I've given archive links just so it's easier to see in the future. The current FIFA pages only gives Czechia Czechoslovakia's records [2]/[3] [4]/[5]. (These didn't archive that well, but look for "FIFA World Cup".) However in the past, Slovakia (and Czechia) received Czechoslovakia's records [6] [7], note that these are older versions of the link after the / earlier i.e. the page has changed as to whether Slovakia gains Czechoslovakia's record over time. Meanwhile for the 2010 World Cup, FIFA produced this document [8] which says Slovakia is a newcomer. While concurrently (not exact dates, but someone in one of the linked discussions says it was the case) still saying they had 8 previous appearances on their page about Slovakia [9]/[10].

Then these pages only has records for Czech Republic from 1992 onwards [11]. Slovakia had 1939 to 1944 then 1992 onwards [12]. And no, this wasn't because they were missing stuff from those intermediate years [13]. The live score pages that replaced (they redirect) those match pages have scores from 1903 for Czech Republic [14] including the Czechoslovakia period. But for Slovakia only the 1939 to 1944 period [15] then the 1992 onwards as before. (Not a great fan of archive.is/today/whatever given their history here on wikipedia but needs must for these pages.)

The current UEFA pages gives neither team Czechoslovakia's records [16] [17]. However in the 2016 season pages to this day, the Czech Republic's best result was "winners 1976 (as Czechoslovakia)" [18] while Slovakia "never qualified" [19]. Maybe this shouldn't be that surprising since UEFA also says the Czech Republic FA itself joined UEFA in 1954 and FIFA in 1907 [20] while the Slovakia FA in 1993 and 1994 [21].

Meanwhile these history pages do effectively give the records to both Czech Republic and Slovakia although are clear when it was as Czechoslovakia [22] [23]. These would actually be decent pages were it not for the fact that UEFA was just as schizophrenic as FIFA about whether or not to count Czechoslovakia under Slovakia and Czech Republic.

Frankly, unless there's some clear statement from FIFA and/or UEFA that I somehow missed, this whole thing seems a mess. It's true that they've included Czechoslovakia's records under Slovakia at times, but other times they do not. At least FIFA have possibly decided to exclude them. (While including them for Czech Republic.) UEFA can't seem to decide what to do even to this day for both teams, and do different things on different pages. This is IMO one of the problems going by what random pages or documents do. Nil Einne (talk) 14:51, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Why would UEFA's arbitrary opinion have any say in international law? Both Czechia and Slovakia are successor states to Czechoslovakia, therefore the maps and tables are simply put incorrect and offensive. I will update them accordingly. Either both Slovakia and Czechia ought to be coloured blue, or none of them.

UEFA's opinion matters because it is the national associations that win titles, not the countries themselves. It's not entirely clear from UEFA.com exactly which of the Czech Republic and Slovakia is considered the successor to Czechoslovakia (or both or neither), but it's their opinion that matters. – PeeJay 13:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I take it back. Judging from these pages on UEFA.com (Czech Republic, Slovakia), the Czech Republic is indisputably considered the only successor to Czechoslovakia in terms of their competitive record. Slovakia only receives a mention in terms of having supplied a "large contingent" of players in the Czechoslovakia team that won Euro 1976. – PeeJay 13:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

FIFA.com also seems pretty clear, since they describe the Czech FA as having been affiliated to FIFA since 1907 (see here), whereas the Slovakian FA only joined FIFA in 1994 (i.e. after the breakup of Czechoslovakia; see here). Hope that clears things up for you. – PeeJay 13:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

I wonder if UEFA changed their webpage recently, I think they may have. In any case, Slovakia's history page now explicitly mentions the three Czechoslovak appearances as part of their history. -- Lejman (talk) 22:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

why delete third place fourth place and semifinalist from table?+General statistics

why delete third place fourth place and semifinalist from table?+General statisticsAcreswane (talk) 18:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Because they're pretty irrelevant and will ultimately make the table pretty unwieldy. – PeeJay 23:11, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, makes the table unnecessarily confusing. S.A. Julio (talk) 00:36, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Tottaly agreed as well! Super confusing table with 3rd, 4th place and semifinalists... XMillennium94x (talk) 22:29, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

What’s happened to the semi-finalist data? It’s disappeared overnight…

At the very least this should be included in a separate tab, or even another page. It’s really informative, not to mention interesting…

Also…the table isn’t confusing. It explains clearly why there are different 3rd place, 4th place and SF columns. This is because UEFA used to have a 3rd place playoff, which was scrapped decades ago. Ross-shire (talk) 14:30, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Soviet Union

It doesn't make any sense that Belarus, Ukraine, Baltic states and Kazakhstan not acknowledged on the map as winners of European Championship in 1964 as part of the Soviet Union. --Grayraw (talk) 04:30, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

UEFA doesn't recognise those nations as "successors" to the record of the Soviet Union. Colouring them in the same colour as Russia would seem to imply that they'd won the competition as independent nations, when they haven't. – PeeJay 10:32, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

UEFA and FIFA know nothing about history! Most of the best Soviet players were actually Ukrainians! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.63.82.69 (talk) 18:38, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Actually they know all about that, it's just not relevant. – PeeJay 14:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

UEFA.com links

I work for UEFA, and I am updating broken links to our website (as our urls have all changed - this coud also be the case for match reports on the season pages UEFAlinks (talk) 09:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect use of EU flag

I removed the EU flag in line with the rule "Do not use supranational flags without direct relevance" in the flag usage guide. It was immediately reverted by an anonymous IP, but as the competition is being hosted across Europe and not the EU, the use of the EU flag is incorrect. I've re-added the host as "The Continent of Europe" with a reference to UEFA, and removed the erroneous flag.Bmcollier (talk) 13:31, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

This keeps on getting vandalised back to the incorrect flag by anonymous accounts Bmcollier (talk) 19:02, 3 July 2021 (UTC).

Official names

I want to talk about the final tournament official names (in the bold in articles) of UEFA Euro 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024. Now the articles says that the official name is "yyyy UEFA European Football Championship" and the "UEFA Euro yyyy" is an informal name. But after looking in official UEFA tournament regulations, I beg to differ, saying that the "UEFA Euro yyyy" is the official name, while eg "yyyy-yy UEFA European Football Championship" is the name of the final tournament and the qualifiers together.

In regulations from this year's competition: https://documents.uefa.com/v/u/WVKcnryVkASzztwJjPBcIw on page 19 it says that The competition stages are as follows: a. Qualifying competition (European Qualifiers) [...] b. Final tournament (UEFA EURO 2020), which makes it extremely clear for me.

In 2022-24 regulations: https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/OfficialDocument/uefaorg/Regulations/02/46/30/61/2463061_DOWNLOAD.pdf on page 7 the term "Tournament" is defined as: the final tournament of the 2022-24 UEFA European Football Championship, including all official events and activities related thereto. "Tournament" and UEFA EURO 2024 are equivalent.

From 2016: https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefa/Others/84/03/26/840326_DOWNLOAD.pdf on page 9 it clearly says that UEFA Euro 2016 is the final tournament of the UEFA European Football Championship 2014–16 including all related official events and activities.

From 2010-12: https://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/download/competitions/euro/91/87/57/918757_download.pdf I didn't find such a clear explanation, but still only terms "2010-12 UEFA European Football Championship" and "UEFA Euro 2012" are used.

From 2002-04: https://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19079.pdf There's the same situation, but still only terms "2002/04 UEFA European Football Championship" and "UEFA Euro 2004: are used.

Also digression, some articles say that losing semi-finalist have been awarded the bronze medal only in 2012, but according to regulations, they were also awarded in 2004 and 2008. Piotr Bart (talk) 12:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-finalists

What’s happened to the semi-finalist data? It’s disappeared overnight…

At the very least this should be included in a separate tab, or even another page. It’s really informative, not to mention interesting… Ross-shire (talk) 14:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2021

The host country of the 2021 UEFA cup is England not the European Union, 188.222.199.42 (talk) 16:10, 8 July 2021 (UTC)