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This is interesting and to be honest a absent-minded report. I don't have any similar interests to this guy S826. I mostly edit about Dog breeds and their traits, physical appearances etc. As for copyviolation, I am quite unaware about the same still Flickr give access to use their photos on enclyopedic articles, many new user do have issue of copyviolation. Is this really a evidence ???? Worst of them all is that I edited my userpage million of times, Many users do that, I too love to edit my page again and again. However, I too love history related articles like S826 but this is not enough to revoke my editing privileges. [[User:FooberFan77|FooberFan77]] ([[User talk:FooberFan77|talk]]) 15:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Showbiz826
Showbiz826 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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10 May 2021
– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.
Suspected sockpuppets
- Sikandar khan67 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) Clerk note: original username of Ratnahastin
- Ratnahastin (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
The pattern is simple. Removal of same content from Rajput related pages.[1] Interestingly, the another sock of the sockmaster did same edit [2] Heba Aisha (talk) 11:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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This has to be a joke the content is being removed from the article by other concerned user because its just so derogatory to the community. And secondly my and that alleged socks edits dont even match, and better discuss the dispute on talk page instead of filling a dubious report i can do the same, i even know whose you're a sockpuppet of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sikandar khan67 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - There's some similarities behavior wise. The general aggressive attitude matches what you see from Showbiz in general. The demand for good faith [3] while reverting always back to their preferred version (and ignoring WP:BRD) a Showbiz trait, but it's also a trait of other nationalist / caste POV editors. The interaction between Sikandar khan67 and other Showbiz socks is there, but not extensive. Likewise, the hostility you'd get from Showbiz and socks ([4] on this page for example.
- With regards to the edit mentioned on Rathore, it was also made by Psuedo Nihilist, another prior sock. It's also been made by other editors [5], [6], [7], [8] and then I stopped. Most of those edits are unlikely to have been Showbiz. Overall, I think it's possible this is Showbiz but it's at least as likely to just be another caste POV editor. I think they ARE a sock of somebody though - "Utterly unsourced puffery and promotional content removed" as the edit summary on their fifth edit is not something from a new editor. [9] is not something you'd expect from a new editor either.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravensfire (talk • contribs) 12:53, May 10, 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, one can check Rathore page. Other editors who were sock of showbiz also tried to remove same sourced content with same pretext.[10] Heba Aisha (talk) 23:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- CU said we are from same country (You're also from india aswell it doesn't mean we're both same) and different Geolocations , india is seventh largest country with 1.3billion people and having different geolocations is a proof that we both aren't same.Sikandar khan67 (talk) 01:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
A lot of other evidences also point towards you being a sock. As for example your mention of Bihar under Lalu Prasad Yadav. The article was deleted when a WP:SPA nominated it for delition and other WP:SPA repeatedly voted there. It is not difficult for me to believe that either You are using multiple accounts or engaged in WP:MEATPUPPETRY. Heba Aisha (talk) 02:56, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- There must be a connection between Heybata, Pintu the dude and Sikandar Khan67 who nominated that article and went stale as how a new user knows about that delition discussion unless he is not aware of my work and me. Heba Aisha (talk) 03:05, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- What you're engaging in is called Red Herring Fallacy, Please stick to the topic which is your accusation that I'm sockpuppet of showbiz,the only accusation I'm defending myself against, you're diverting the topic by changing your position and attacking the position which i dont hold anyway hence your argument is a strawman.Sikandar khan67 (talk) 04:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
And please see this user interaction report my edits and showbiz socks's edits don't even overlap at any other articles except for my single edit on Rathore, and another minor edit on Mughal-Rajput War page. Which is still a extremely low overlap ratio given the number of socks showbiz used. And CU has proved that I'm at different geolocation away from showbiz ,i cant be him,i believe the case should be closed as theres just so little similarities between me and showbiz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sikandar khan67 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
To be very honest, there is very little to no similarity between the two accounts. Infact all recent socks (Post-January 2021) doesn't look Showbiz socks either. Such things are very annoying for the blocked user who might be following a WP:SO and such ill-minded reports (again & again) only keep on disturbing the process. (Even last SPI report filled was nowhere similar to Showbiz). Don't tag any uninvolved editor as socks whom edits you don't like. Thank you very much.
2402:3A80:104C:D422:9F4B:1073:ED8C:DF0A (talk) 10:40, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- The alleged sock has made only 150 edits and user interaction report has nothing to say at this point of time. Let them be extended confirmed, we will witness a lot of pov pushing edits and edit warring on Rajput pages. Heba Aisha (talk) 14:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Heba Aisha, they've been given the discretionary sanctions notice for India/Pakistan/Afghanistan area, and I also left the general sanctions notice for South Asian social groups, which includes caste related articles. If they start POV pushing, the sanctions available from each of those remedies is in place. Don't hesitate. Note that goes for ALL sides - play nicely. Ravensfire (talk) 16:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- The alleged sock has made only 150 edits and user interaction report has nothing to say at this point of time. Let them be extended confirmed, we will witness a lot of pov pushing edits and edit warring on Rajput pages. Heba Aisha (talk) 14:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Same interest, pov edits
- Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Antonio Rocci, to CU, admins and reviewer who want to save time. Consider this. Heba Aisha (talk) 07:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- You're welcomed to spam the link to that SPI everywhere and tag Anyone, like you've been doing in past im just waiting for moment when CU proves you wrong and me innocent haha hahaSikandar khan67 (talk) 08:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ratnahastin is editing other articles but the primary intention seems to whitewash Rajput related pages. Specially latest edit [11], when he removed sourced content, points toward this. Showbiz also removed it if we go through page history. Ravensfire may further see, as he also discussed once on Rajput talk page. Heba Aisha (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Heba Aisha: you need to point to the diff that shows showbiz removed the same information that Ratnahastin is removing. There is no point in saying it is the same one without a diff because no one is going to go looking for it. --RegentsPark (comment) 01:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Heba Aisha atleast ping me would you? The CU has been performed with no conclusive results my edit was based on manual of style , atleast read up my edit summary. "whitewashing history?" Just wth is this? And how is this a place to post this? 2attacks and WP:ASPERSIONS in the morning, next time you'll be reported to the admins.Ratnahastin (talk) 02:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ratnahastin is editing other articles but the primary intention seems to whitewash Rajput related pages. Specially latest edit [11], when he removed sourced content, points toward this. Showbiz also removed it if we go through page history. Ravensfire may further see, as he also discussed once on Rajput talk page. Heba Aisha (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
By searching out contributions of various sockpuppets of showbiz826, i came across this. They have massively edited List of Rajputs article. Similarly, Ratnahastin has also edited it massively. [12][13], these are edits of a confirmed sockpuppet of Showbiz on that and these are of Ratnahastin [14][15][16]. Interesting thing is that, both has shown interest in including Prithviraj Chauhan in the list, which is disputed thing. Also one may note POV edit like mention of words like "Robin hood figure" for one notable person in the list. Heba Aisha (talk) 06:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- RegentsPark, Same content from Rajput article which was removed by Ratnahastin here was also removed from another Rajput clan article by Monarcho-fascist, the content is about Shudra origin theory and almost all non neutral editors and sockpuppets have tried to remove it on some pretext. Just look at this on Rathore talk page the user is arguing in favour of same edit which was done by Monarcho-fascist. [17]. Heba Aisha (talk) 06:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Do you even read edit summaries? The Prithviraja image was added because an ip requested it while providing many sources,and only thinf showbiz sems ro add are historical figures which i have no interest in.i've added people from indian armed forces and any way CU has been performed,and results are inconclusive,dont revive the dead discussions.Ratnahastin (talk) 07:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- Possible. Same country, different geolocations. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
20 May 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Report is for the range Special:Contributions/2401:4900:40A0:0:0:0:0:0/43 which has been blocked multiple times due to Showbiz826. The block has recently expired, and they are back to their usual ways. See history of Rana Sanga, and Talk:Alia_Bhatt#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_May_2021 where they request the use of the exact same image that prior sock account Holy Contributor 92 preferred. Ravensfire (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Similar activity recently happened with Special:Contributions/2402:8100:2169:C379:BD2E:BD9D:7522:6952 at the Vince McMahon article's talk page.NJZombie (talk) 21:05, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's humorous that they are talking about the standard offer, and resetting the clock at the same time. Ravensfire (talk) 22:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting, open it up to the /48 - [18] and you see more image changes - [19], [20] (the last with the snarky edit summary Showbiz likes when they get frustrated).Ravensfire (talk) 22:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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8 June 2021
– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.
Suspected sockpuppets
- White Horserider (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- White horse edit warring on Kangana Ranaut here for image change exactly like previous sock of Aristocratic 536 who is inturn a sock of showbiz.
- Editing BLPs mostly for a image change: Special:Diff/1024331194,Special:Diff/1024442531 the ip address which was previously blocked for being a sockpuppet of Showbiz has edit requested for a image change on the talkpage of the same article here
- Edit on Prithviraj (film) by Horserider changing the release date edit by Aristocratic changing release date.edit by Samboy (confirmed sock) on same.
- The same ip address requested Kautilya3 to remove "puffery" from the Rajput resistance to Muslim conquests and next day White Horserider edited the same page with edit summary "too much puffery".
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- Concur with this report, I've been suspicious for a bit but haven't had the time to put something together. On Kangana Ranaut article, compare [21] to changes from prior sock Oz Hass - [22], [23] and from Aristocratic536 [24]. Also, interaction report for the more active SB826 socks - [25]. Ravensfire (talk) 14:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- The IP mentioned is in a range with previous Showbiz826 activity - [26], in particular, see the edits in May requesting image changes to Vince McMahon article and their comment on an SPI report (humorously talking about the Standard Offer, which is tough when you're still socking...). Ravensfire (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- White Horserider randomly capitalizes letter cases[27] like another Showbiz sock User:Aristocratic 536.[28] SUN EYE 1 15:30, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with this report. Same use of Larry Sanger criticizing Wikipedia. [29], [30], [31], [32], [33]. Previous socks also utilize Jadunath Sarkar as a source [34], [35], [36]. Same attacks on western scholars of Indology due to claims of colonialism and supposedly not visiting India [37] [38], [39], [40]. Like other socks they have commented on User:Ranadhira's talk page [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49]. I have no doubt regarding that White Horserider is a sock of Showbiz. User:Heba Aisha, do you have any other evidence to provide? Chariotrider555 (talk) 04:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Holy Contributor 92 reverts an IP with an edit summary
Unsourced, POV edits in name of vandalism prevention
[50]; After nearly two months, a new account White Horserider reverts an IP with an edit summaryIP is well known for vandalising history related articles with edit summary as vandalism prevention
[51] SUN EYE 1 13:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- SpacemanSpiff actually i was the first one to suspect that this ip mentioned above was a sock of showbiz from their comments here is my reply to ip where i documented evidence which proves that they were showbiz and from the CU results it seems we both are same country(india) but from different geolocations,india is country of 1.4billion people with 7th largest land area so being in different geolocations is a strong indication of no relation between me and showbiz.RatnaHastintalk 15:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- Comparing this account to the master, they're in the same geolocation and have crossed over the same wide range. That's all the information that I can give you, since the master and sock accounts are all Stale. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- The behavioral evidence is very strong (the Sanger stuff is a particular giveaway but the penchant for Sarkar and the identical reversions is an added bonus). The editor is currently blocked and perhaps @Bishonen: can take a look? --RegentsPark (comment) 20:15, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Blocked, combining the behavioral evidence with the technical findings, I'm convinced that this is a sock and have blocked accordingly. Oshwah, reg the other account above -- Ratnahastin -- the behavioral evidence is quite up there, is the technical evidence in conflict with this? Thanks. —SpacemanSpiff 13:36, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
30 June 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Peter ParkerJSR108 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Parker User 81819 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Note the use of Parker in the usernames.
- Parker User was created a day before previous sock White Horserider was blocked
- the user page of User:Parker_User_81819 uses the similiar userboxes (namely ones about user being female and atheist ) as with the previous sock Whitehorse's userpage
- edits on Mick Foley
- edits on Paresh Rawal.
- Peter ParkerJSR108's edit on Narendra Modi,[52]
- Holy contributers's edit on same [53].RatnaHastintalk 12:48, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment - Also see image change here vs [54] from prior sock to same 2012 image despite multiple more recent images available. WP:DUCK. Ravensfire (talk) 13:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- Another Showbiz sock Anachronistic 328 was also interested in Mick Foley[55] and Showbiz even had an account named Hardcore Legend Mic Foley who also edited the article.[56] SUN EYE 1 15:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- the case against has been open for 60days now Oshwah Can you please do a check between me and latest socks of showbiz, White Horserider or Parker User since all other accounts are stale please? Ratnahastin(t.c) 03:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- Administrator note I blocked Parker User 81819 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) when the account popped up on my watchlist. I did not see this SPI then, but I blocked for a combination of disruptive editing and as a likely sock of Showbiz. Leaving this open for a CU/clerk to decide if any further action is needed especially in regards to the other account (I haven't evaluated that). —SpacemanSpiff 02:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
07 July 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Skoda Rapid TSI (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Account was created on the same day as the previous sock (Parker User 81819) was banned. Made same comment for support of POV at Talk:Prithviraj Chauhan as previous socks [57]. Extremely similar userpage to previous sock User:White Horserider [58], [59] (Side note: they both are a copycat of my userpage). Chariotrider555 (talk) 02:33, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment They've also edited Attitude Era which is a wrestling article, an area that Showbiz socks actively edit. WP:DUCK Maybe semi-protect Talk:Prithviraj Chauhan for a bit since the last couple of socks hit that article pretty quickly? Ravensfire (talk) 14:37, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
12 July 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- FooberFan77 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Image-war on wrestling related article - see SPI archives for prior history of this. Ravensfire (talk) 02:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly, most of the recent activity from Special:Contributions/2402:8100:2000:0:0:0:0:0/38, if not all, is Showbiz826, rehashing caste arguments and image-war. Ravensfire (talk) 13:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- FooberFan is a new account that has uploaded multiple wrestling related images on commons, at least one of which was then used by the IP above - [60]. Image was a copyright violation which is a tendency for SB socks (see [61]). FooberFan has Special:Contributions/FooberFan77 made a lot of small edits to their user page, similar to prior sock [62]. Ravensfire (talk) 13:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Comments by other users
This is interesting and to be honest a absent-minded report. I don't have any similar interests to this guy S826. I mostly edit about Dog breeds and their traits, physical appearances etc. As for copyviolation, I am quite unaware about the same still Flickr give access to use their photos on enclyopedic articles, many new user do have issue of copyviolation. Is this really a evidence ???? Worst of them all is that I edited my userpage million of times, Many users do that, I too love to edit my page again and again. However, I too love history related articles like S826 but this is not enough to revoke my editing privileges. FooberFan77 (talk) 15:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)