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List of targets

Hi there, I integrated half of the target from this Guardian review into the article. Can someone push further to expand that list ? Yug (talk) 13:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the "list" should be classified into countries. Technically, they were not targeted by Pegasus, but by their own governments that had licensed the Pegasus spyware. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3: I plan to make it a table "soon", when it reach some correct size (current x 1.5). Yug (talk) 15:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tables can never be a substitute for prose text. They can be used in addition. But in the days to come, we are going to get a lot more detail about why the individuals were targeted and what the fallout has been. None of that will fit into a table. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Table with : Country, Name, Profession, Comment will do. Yug (talk) 07:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move to The Pegasus Project

The name of the investigation is "The Pegasus Project", so the article should be moved to that title. --93.44.108.28 (talk) 14:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It should be Pegasus Project, because we omit the definite article as per WP:DEFINITE. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pegasus Project already exists. Maybe Pegasus Project (journalism) or Pegasus Project (surveillance). I think the former is better (journalism). Yug (talk) 15:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let us stick to the current title then. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I support Pegasus Project (journalism). --93.44.108.28 (talk) 15:24, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article expansion : coordination

Ok, we spent the past 36h creating a core, this article now has relevant sections which can be easy to expand using emerging news coverage. All areas need to be improve, as usual. Yet the following are more significant that others :

Analysis and reactions : There is still too few content on the analysis, what is the analysis, impact and what experts and journalist says over this surveillance tool and abuse.
List of targets : the list can still be expanded. Names will emerge in coming days, context can be added to each case. It's easy to contribute to, and by expanding it we will see emerge meaningful patterns.
Clients countries : there are about 10 governments, mainly illiberal democracies, which are confirmed as clients and using Pegasus for repressive use. Can we have a short contextualization for each, sourced from the press ? If this is done per country, then it could go in the current "Targets" section, which will have to be renamed.

Help welcome. Yug (talk) 18:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portals to monitor

Please contribute by following one portal related to Project Pegasus and integrating key statements to Wikipedia.

The 17 newsrooms involved generally have dedicated portals page to display all stories related to this leak and investigation. It could be unteresting to list them below, to monitor them, and to add content to the article accordingly. Yug (talk) 18:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC) List of portals :[reply]


Newsroom	Country	Pegasus portals	Project Pegasus	Comments	Wikipedian
The Guardian	UK	https://theguardian.com/news/series/pegasus-project	Yes	Emphasis on European, Indian fallout.	Yug
Le Monde	France	https://lemonde.fr/projet-pegasus/	Yes	Emphasis on France and African fallout.	Yug
Radio France	France	https://radiofrance.fr/recherche?q=pegasus	Yes	Emphasis on France and Francophonie. Radio/TV only.
Die Zeit	Germany	https://zeit.de/schwerpunkte/pegasus-project	Yes
Süddeutsche Zeitung	Germany		Yes
WDR	Germany		Yes
NDR	Germany		Yes
The Washington Post	USA		Yes
Frontline^[1]	USA		Yes
Haaretz	Israel	https://haaretz.com/misc/tags/TAG-NSO-1.10010576	Yes
Aristegui Noticias	Mexico		Yes
Proceso	Mexico		Yes
Knack	Belgium		Yes
Le Soir	Belgium	https://plus.lesoir.be/339077/sections/le-projet-pegasus	Yes
The Wire	India	https://thewire.in/tag/pegasus-project	Yes	Emphasis on Indian fallout
Daraj^[2]	Syria		Yes
Direkt36.hu [hu],^[3]	Hungary	https://www.direkt36.hu/en/category/megfigyelesek/	Yes	Coverage in English
OCCRP			Yes
Forbidden Stories	France	https://forbiddenstories.org/case/the-pegasus-project/	Yes	Recipient then provider of the leaked 50,000 phones numbers.
Amnesty International	UK	https://amnesty.org/en/search/?q=pegasus&sort=date	Yes	Provided forensic know-how related to Pegasus.
France 24	France	https://france24.com/en/tag/pegasus-affair/ https://france24.com/fr/tag/pegasus/	No
Al Jazeera English	Qatar	https://aljazeera.com/search/pegasus	No	Emphasis on arabic world.

https://daraj.com/en/tag/pegasus-en/ Yug (talk) 05:40, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "About The Pegasus Project". Forbidden Stories. Retrieved 2021-07-19.
^ "Israel Helped Over Ten Countries Tap Over 50,000 Phones". Daraj. 18 July 2021. Retrieved 20 July 2021.
^ Panyi, Szabolcs; Pethő, András (2021-07-19). "Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted with Pegasus, a powerful Israeli cyberweapon". Direkt36. Retrieved 2021-07-19.

Regarding response of govt of India

The article states that GoI has denied usage of pegasus, however I was not able to find any sources that a representative of the GoI making such claims. The citation added supported no such claim and I have removed it. I have added a citation needed reference, but I would like to remove the statement all together. May I go ahead with this change? Does anyone have any other sources to corroborate the statement or anything else to say in this matter? --ShellPandey (talk) 10:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found this that highlight the same issue that the GoI has not issued any response saying that India has not used pegasus. --ShellPandey (talk) 10:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 July 2021

It has been proposed in this section that Pegasus Project (investigation) be renamed and moved to Project Pegasus (investigative journalism).

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Project Pegasus (spyware) → Project Pegasus (investigative journalism) – Current name is ambiguous with Pegasus (spyware) and implies that Project Pegasus is name of the malware that is the subject of the investigations.
Proposed name disambiguates more clearly. Melmann 11:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I chose (spyware) because that was the keyword used in the disambiguation page, and also at the ITN nomination. Without too much thinking, this is how people naturally disambiguate. I think (investigative journalism) is too broad and overly verbose. Can we think of something shorter and more specific? Jehochman ^Talk 12:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "About The Pegasus Project". Forbidden Stories. Retrieved 2021-07-19.

[2] "Israel Helped Over Ten Countries Tap Over 50,000 Phones". Daraj. 18 July 2021. Retrieved 20 July 2021.

[direkt36-3] Panyi, Szabolcs; Pethő, András (2021-07-19). "Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted with Pegasus, a powerful Israeli cyberweapon". Direkt36. Retrieved 2021-07-19.

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+: I chose (spyware) because that was the keyword used in the disambiguation page, and also at the ITN nomination.  Without too much thinking, this is how people naturally disambiguate.  I think (investigative journalism) is too broad and overly verbose.  Can we think of something shorter and more specific?  [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 12:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)