Talk:24 (TV series)

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Cell Phone

Does anyone know which model cell phone Jack Bauer uses in each season? i'd love that to get addd to the page.

Jwikipro 00:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Sandra palmer revereted to this page?

WHY? There was no good reason to have her page redirected here, also I swear Lennox had his own page as well but now it's gone.Puppet125 16:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably because it was way too early to create an article for her. See WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball. dposse 20:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

To those complaining of a lack of references

I think a link to the recaps of episodes at the FOX website should be enough to satisfy that. Check out the article on Morris O'Brian to see what I mean.--T smitts 07:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Nina Myers - Languages Spoken

It says in the Background section on the Nina Myers' article that 'it is quite possible that she speaks even more languages than that,' referring to Serbian, Arabic and German. However I don't see what this is based on. Algebra Man 14;40, 9 December 2006

Might have had something to do with the profile Nina had during season 1 on FOX's website. I didn't watch 24 during the first season, so I never checked then, and the profile now for her for seasons 1-3 is listed as classified, and also as deceased for season 3, so we can't check there. Just a guess. It's also possible they could be using the 24 books as proof. I have all 3 out so far, and I think I recall something in there about Nina speaking more languages than just English, German, and Serbian, but it's unknown at this time if the books are canon, so even if that is mentioned in the books, we still couldn't put it in. Anakinjmt 19:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Just recentaly her husband was murdered by he "top" fan. She said she is never going to find the right man ever again.

Length of episodes

Is it worth mentiong, that even though the episodes are meant to be an hour long, 40 minutes is the actual length of them, due to the ridiculous number and length of American ads? user:algebra man 18:20 (UTC) 12 December 2006

I doubt it. Every show nowadays on broadcast and basic cable that's supposed to be an hour long is only about 40 minutes long due to commercials. I understand why you might put it in here, due to the real-time nature of the show, but ultimately I doubt people will be thinking each episode is ACTUALLY an hour. Only shows on HBO and such are actually an hour in length. Anakinjmt 23:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

This may be hard to believe for someone who considers 24 good entertainment, but there is a whole world outside the USA, and in parts of that world, whether for cultural, commercial or legislative reasons, television channels follow a different format; some even broadcast TV shows with few or no commercial breaks. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias. DES 15:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I realize that, and I am fully aware of how 24 is broadcast outside of the US. However, policy here is to do things US way (if in doubt, TV spoilers and such, WWE spoilers, etc. is only put up after it's aired in the US), so to single out this show just because in England or wherever it airs 40 minutes straight and then does commercial makes no sense. Besides, I'm sure the people in England realize this show isn't actually an hour, and any casual reader coming in here would not assume it was actually an hour. Not to mention, the running time is listed as approximately 44 minutes. Anakinjmt 21:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The orginal broadcast in the US was made already accounting for commercials in "real time". It doesn't matter about what other networks do it only matters about what the original network does. User:Tenio

WikiProject

Is there a 24 WikiProject? If not, there should be. Ninety^wazup? 23:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

One-sidedness

This article is scarily one-sided. There is no mention whatsoever of any criticism or negative press. In fact, the closest the article ever gets to the word "criticism" is "critical acclaim"...

A few examples of criticism in the press:

• Real Abu Ghraib Whitewash: "24" and Public Acceptance of Torture
• "24" Versus the Real World - Does torture really work? Most intelligence experts say no.
• Torture in Prime Time
• TV Lesson on Torture
• Bauer and the Ethics of Urgency

DES 16:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

So be bold, and put it in. Anakinjmt 21:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Please clean up the character articles

All the articles on the various characters, organizations, etc. have no Wikipedia:Reliable sources whatsoever. These articles need to be substantiated. This is not a fan site, it is a verifiable encyclopedia. Many of these articles should be merged either into this article or into an article on characters in general. Articles without reliable sources are regularly deleted. —Centrx→talk • 22:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone went and demerged most of the characters that I had merged into a list. Because of the high amount of source material, the 24 articles have so much potential; however, cruft needs to be weeded and organization must be considered. Unfortunately, I have no time for this right now, because I have my hands full with the Final Fantasy wikiproject and work. — Deckiller 23:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Can it no just be reverted? Can the person who split them out be convinced to reverse it? As it stands, these articles are completely unsourced and would be deleted at AfD; that should be sufficient incentive for whoever thought they were so important as to be in separate articles. —Centrx→talk • 02:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Jack & Nina

In Day 2, 5:00 - 6:00 pm, just after Jack has escaped from Nina, he whispers something into her ear and it seems to scare her. Does anyone know what he said, or even roughly what he is meant to have implied? Algebra man 16:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Joel Surnow says if you send him $50, he will be happy to tell you what Jack said to Nina.--66.188.205.190 03:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I once came across a fan page long ago that stated it, but alas I forgot where or what it was. I do remember that while in the script it was one line, but during filming Kiefer whispered something else to Sarah so she gave a genuine surprised/shocked expression. -WarthogDemon 19:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Nina Myers - Trivia

In her trivia section it says that she died in the same room as Teri did, but I don't see what this is based on as I don't think they look the same Anyone have further info? If not I'll remove it. Algebra man 16:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

See, it's the same techroom, but it looks different because in season 2, one of the 3 bombs was planted in that room, so it effectively wiped it out. so when CTU was rebuilt and remodeled, the room was rebuilt, so it looks different then it did in the first season. it's still the same tech room though.Order_66

Product Placement

I have started writing a section on p.p. but doubt if I put it in, it wil stay for very long. If I put what I have so far here, perhaps people could edit appropriately and I'll add it in soon.

Fox makes ample use of product placement in 24 in a variety of ways. The Apple logo is a distinctive sight, which can be easily noticed even when the camera is a fair distance from the computer, or computer peripheral. Screenshots are often taken at the appropriate angle, allowing a Dell logo on, for example, the power button of a monitor to be easily readable. When Chloe is at her station HP receives it’s only advertisement as her monitor has a large HP logo on the back. Algebra man 17:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Press Releases

Where do you find promotional photographs and press releases? I have a username and password at foxpressoffice.com. --theDemonHog 02:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Please delete these two articles

The articles below are unnecesarry for English Wikipedia. These are:

• List of 24 Japan voice actors: is necesarry for Japanese pedia.
• List of 24 Korea voice actors: is necesarry for Korean pedia.

--JSH-alive^{talk to me}_{see my works}^{mail to me} 11:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The episodes have not aired yet on TV.

No matter what you download off of Bittorrent, the episodes have not aired yet on tv. Please, everyone, wait until after the episodes air before you include infomation about the plot. Thank you. dposse 18:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I was going to say... theres kind of a big spoiler there. I'm going to go ahead and delete that. Glad I saw the episodes BEFORE coming here Mobkey 03:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Silent Clocks

Is it worth making a silent clock succession box, considering how rare they are? Algebra man 21:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

longest running - original research.

"As of the start of the 2007 season, 24 stands as the third-longest running espionage series ever produced for English-language television, surpassed in episode count only by The Avengers (161 episodes) and the original Mission: Impossible series (171 episodes)."

I've removed this as original research. If anyone can find a WP:reliable source, then add it back in. dposse 20:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Current Recurring Roles needs work

Noticed that "Audry Raines" and "James Heller" are credited with only the current season, not past ones. RoyBatty42 20:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Curtis Manning / Roger Cross needs to be added to the current recurring roles list as well.

Need of Critism section

I think this article needs to have a section dealing with critism of the show. For example, one could be of those who simply don't like the show, but the other could be on the show's conservative bias. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.81.229.178 (talk) 03:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Keith Olbermann had a segment on his show tonight about 24. Watch if it (I suspect you might have already) or find a transcript you want to make such a section. After all, it needs to be sourced, and a nationally televised news show qualifies as a reliable source. Redxiv 02:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The "conservative" bias on the show is at the very least debatable. One could indeed argue it based on frequency of Middle Eastern terrorism and the tacit approval of torture to gain information. However one could just as easily argue the opposite: The show has consistently taken the position that profiling people who are Middle Eastern and/or Muslim is wrong and does more harm than good. Also, twice the show has had villains conspiring to provoke American military action abroad for the sake of oil. In the most recent example, a presumed-Republican president was complicit in the conspiracy. --T smitts 05:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't know. I don't actually watch the show. However, the criticism is out there. If properly sourced and NPOV (ie no endorsement or denouncement of the criticisms), I think a criticism section would be valid. Redxiv 08:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that the Criticism section lacks valididty because of extreme bias. Olberman is obviously a member of the Left, and the note about criticism based on views on Muslims is just crap. Why? Because at one point, Sutherland broke character and delivered a message to the audience saying that most American Muslims were just like the rest of us, NOT terrorists. --Gaming King 21:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether you think the criticism Olbermann made is accurate. What matters is whether it's notable. I would say that criticism by a well-known commentator on national television is inherently notable. If the criticism is inaccurate...it's still notable. Redxiv 05:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Curtis' Death

Did Curtis get a silent clock? Algebra man 19:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

IIRC, Yes. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 22:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No, he didn't. --T smitts 05:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There wasn't a clock straight after his death anyway. Trebor 13:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Requesting source for Jude Ciccolella claim

The article includes the claim, "Jude Ciccolella, who played Mike Novick, appeared in 58 episodes through seasons 1, 2, 4 and 5, the seventh most appearances of any character." At least twice, I have requested a source to back up this claim, but people keep removing the request without filling it. Without a source, this is original research and should not be included in the article. --ΨΦorg 06:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The 58 episode number comes from imdb. --Jehfes 08:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Where does the "seventh most appearances" come from? --ΨΦorg 09:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What should we be citing? There is an episode count here. --thedemonhog 19:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

If you look on the main imdb page for 24, the cast is automatically listed in descending order of the number of episodes they appear in. Novick is the seventh one down. --Jehfes 05:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Keith Olbermann

This seems to be too far from NPOV, so I re-worded it a bit to make it neutral. [Somebody beat me to the punch; never mind.] Samer 16:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Keith Olbermann

The section about Keith Olbermann is blatantly slanted, and was even cited with a republican blog which frequently attacks Olbermann. I did what I could to clean it up, but it still needs substantial rewrite to be either accurate or encyclopedic. --Goodnightmush 16:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The section about Keith Olbermann is right on the money. The guy has been a frequent critic of conservatives and Republicans and anything resembling "American". No one seems to care when people cite from Democrat/liberal blogs. He is a liberal and VERY anti-American.

This is the type of garbage statement that has no business on wikipedia -- it's no surprise that in the parlance of slashdot et al it was made by an "anonymous coward". Lacking utterly in cogent arguments and full of leaps of "logic" and fallacies, we see exactly why the Olbermann bit is slanted -- any time I see comments as above I can't help but wonder if it's liberals shills being paid to make conservatives look less than intelligent or reasoned. Professor Ninja 21:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't get the argument. Olbermann did say it, he is just being quoted. The only thing I can see being disputed is the author of that section called him a "liberal political commentator" but if have ever seen his show or listen to his comments on ESPN radio than you would know that he is liberal. So what is being disputed? (clr231)

Here is the paragraph that prompted the above arguments:

Despite the show's wide acclaim, in January of 2006 it was attacked by liberal Democrat political commentator Keith Olbermann for rather bizarre reasons. On the January 16 edition of Olbermann's show, Countdown with Keith Olbermann he accused 24 of being "propaganda designed to keep people thinking about domestic terrorism to keep us scared". He suggested the show actually has a political agenda to aid the Republican Party, rhetorically asking, "is it a program-length commercial for one political party?" Olbermann even suggested in a subtle manner that the show should be taken off the air with the rhetorical question, "if the irrational right can claim that the news is fixed to try to alter people's minds or that networks should be boycotted for nudity or for immorality, shouldn't those same groups be saying 24 should be taken off of TV because it's naked brainwashing?" All of this was in response to 24's January 15 broadcast in which a small nuclear weapon is detoned in Valencia, California by a terrorist group.

There are two obvious problems here. First, the author apparently believes that because it has "wide acclaim," it is apparently insulated from criticism (by no means is Olbermann the only person ever to criticize 24). Second, the quote implies that Olbermann's criticisms are somehow illogical. Samer 15:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, the original section was written in an outrageously POV manner. Its been toned down considerably since its initial appearance, and seems pretty neutral to me now. Olbermann's criticisms are accurately presented and properly sourced, w/out any of the previous lunatic editorializing (presumably taken directly from the originally cited anti-liberal blog). The POV tag can probably be removed now, if others agree.-Hal Raglan 16:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, if we are to discuss bias, notice that Fox News Channel is the only TV-news network used in the 24 epidodes. MaxPont 21:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, oftentimes, they include a fictitious news network named "CNS," probably in reference to CNN. I would think they can't use "CNN" but can use FOX due to copyright issues. Nishbatsha 00:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it's "CNB", but I could be wrong... there were a few others, such as local stations, that are sometimes also shown near-correctly. Nevertheless, is Keith Olbermann really a notable subject in this article? If anything, the Arab-American groups that have criticized the show deserve more of a mention than a low-rated cable news host. If we were to include the Arab-American groups, however, we should also note that the 24 producers have created at least one PSA urging against racism in America. --Mrmiscellanious 01:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

They use FOX news most of the time because, and this is a stunner, it airs on FOX! I agree if there are to be criticisms they should come from a better source than K.O. Yes I believe the POV tag should be removed. And quite frankly Samer, Olbermann's arguments are quite illogical. In the first season they mentioned David Palmer is running for the Democratic primary, therefore Keeler and Logan were Republican. Keeler at best was portrayed as ineffectual and at worst complicit in the conspiracy. Logan was portrayed as weak, indecisive, and of course a traitor. Whereas both Palmers are portrayed as strong leaders. 24 also had not one but two different oil group conspiracies, which is of course more closely associated with the Republican party. (rockstar710)

I removed the Keith Olbermann criticism since criticism has come from both left and right wings in the past. I figure instead of trying to find a way to have both liberal and conservative viewpoints, we should just leave that blank. As far as I am concerned, the Muslim controversies of Season 4 and this season are more noteworthy than this Olbermann stuff. If anything, I suggest just posting that the show has come under fire from both left and right wings but that the producers are adamant the show is unbiased. --Barinade2151 19:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Put it back. Now the article looks really ridiculous, because there is a single line about criticism, and a few paragraphs on Acclaim. A slogan is starting here: "We acclaim but refuse to critise unless all parties show up."-BiancaOfHell 22:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, the standard isn't whether Olbermann's criticism is accurate or logical. It's whether his criticism is notable. As much as some of you might want to dismiss him due to your own POV, Olbermann himself is a notable public figure. If he had made his comments in a blog and no major media sources brought it up on the air or in print, you could argue that it wasn't notable. However, that's not what Olbermann did. He dedicated a segment of his nationally televised news show to criticism of 24. The fact that a public figure criticized this show in a public venue is notable, even if his criticisms were off base. Redxiv 05:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as devoting criticism of 24, I tend to disagree. This was just another episode in his ongoing hatred and attack of Fox and anything Fox or Bush Administration. 24 is one of the most neutral shows on the air and Keith Olbermann is just some nutcase filled with hatred. To put this in perspective, he could make some outlandish case that Bananas are propaganda for Bush and Cheney. If CNN or some news agency reports that he said that, does that mean we have to put a criticism portion into the Banana page? Adding this is just a waste of space. Let's focus on the show and not on some misguided pundit that has an inferiority complex because his show is not tops in his timeslot. --Barinade2151 06:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, the article needs to be written in a NPOV way; that means some criticism will be included. It doesn't have to be a large amount as I think that would be giving it undue weight but it shouldn't be eliminated completely. Olbermann is a pretty prominent journalist making a criticism on a pretty prominent show, so citing this criticism is perfectly fine. Let's focus on making this article fair, not on removing opinions we disagree with. Trebor 07:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

CTU

How come the page for CTU redirects here? I think it merits an article of its own. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.48.109.122 (talk • contribs).

It was redirected to this page with no explanation, vote, or discussion. See here [1] Gdo01 02:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

My mistake there is an explanation [2]. Still there should have been a discussion at the least. Gdo01 02:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Season 6 dvd

Do we really need to brag about how the dvd was prematurely leaked and available on bt? Zero day warez, can anyone think of a dvd or software package that didn't end up as a zero day warez? --75.24.196.144 04:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not "bragging"; it's making a note of an incident which was reported in the news. --ΨΦorg 19:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

How can I see the first two days episodes.

I was out of the country and missed taping them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.189.167.200 (talk) 07:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

 It's not exactly the right sort of question for this section, but in case the page hasn't already informed you, you can just buy the DVD they've recently released. GrubLord 09:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Season synopses

Can I have opinions on how much information should be included in these? At present, they read more like short teasers than anything else. Since we have the spoiler template, I would be inclined to write them much more straightforwardly, without worrying about giving away identities of moles, plot twists, etc. Being too vague makes it sound unencyclopaedic in my opinion. But I would like to hear others' views before making any attempt to rewrite. Thanks. Trebor 19:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Info boxes

I dont know what's happened but now all the info boxes say {{{Graham}}} in the black bar beneath the character piture - I dont remember what went here before. Im not sure how to chang them back but it needs to be done soon. Algebra man 20:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorted. Someone had edited (vandalised?) the infobox to say Graham. Trebor 20:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

About: Graham and possibly others?

Graham is actually not spelt "Graham" but "Graem", and this is found on the 24 official website[3] (in Jack character guide, season 6, and some other locations if found). Can you please make these changes if possible. Thank You --ShadowSlave 02:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler in Criticism

"The criticism by Olbermann followed 24's January 15 broadcast, in which a small nuclear weapon is detonated in Valencia, California by a terrorist group.[17]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_%28TV_series%29#Criticism)

I think it really should be a spoiler advice here. Please correct this if possible. Thank you.

Is there any relevance to including the plot of the episode in that sentence? I'm not sure there is, in which case it could be removed and just left with "followed 24's January 15 broadcast". Trebor 12:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Secret mission

I don't know if this page is the place for it, but I have recently discovered a secret mission for 24 viewers which can be accessed on the site http://www.ctuagent.com. I can't see anything about it on this page and I have all the info to hand, just not the time to add it to the page in pristine condition. If I had some help, I'd be happy to post the info here then someone could put it into good WIKI markup and put it in the article. Any takers? Bobnotts 17:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Grammar, Correct Punctuation

Every page concerning 24 has irritating grammar and syntax/punctuation errors. Even the first paragraph of 24's main page has two unnecessary commas. I have gone through and edited a very few number of pages, but I am currently not allowed to edit the main page. Hattness 07:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)Hattness

You'll be able to when your account is four days old. Commas are often a matter of personal style anyway; some people prefer to use more than others. Trebor 11:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Cast member spelled wrong

It is not Graham Bauer, It Graem Bauer!

BitTorrent Attribution Issue

This may be a pedantic point to raise, but BitTorrent is not actually a P2P network. It is a data transmission protocol which is in every way decentralised, and the illusion of a BitTorrent 'network' stems simply from the fact that there are numerous BitTorrent trackers apparently designed for illegally distributed content which have grown to massive proportions. Naming BitTorrent as the "P2P Network" that leaked 24 contributes to the view that BitTorrent is a mechanism for wrongdoing or some sort of piracy network, when it is simply an efficient way to stream data that is being exploited for piracy. I would like to alter the attribution in this article to name the actual infringers and avoid needless libel, but I'm not sure what tracker site actually distributed the series first. If no-one objects too severely, could someone better informed please make the change? GrubLord 08:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)