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== Scholars who've actually studied her work tend to be supportive == |
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Wiki: "Her theories have been poorly received by mainstream scholars" |
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It is highly suspicious that such a negative comment is in the opening remarks, simply poisoning the well. |
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Scholars who've actually studied Acharya's work tend to be supportive: |
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"I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations." "I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock" |
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- Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar with two Ph.D's, review of "Christ in Egypt" |
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http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt.htm |
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Earl Doherty defers to Acharya for the subject of astrotheology: |
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"A heavenly location for the actions of the savior gods, including the death of Christ, would also have been influenced by most religions' ultimate derivation from astrotheology, as in the worship of the sun and moon. For this dimension of more remote Christian roots, see the books of Acharya S" |
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- Earl Doherty, Jesus: Neither God Nor Man, (2009) page 153 |
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"Your scholarship is relentless! ...the research conducted by D.M. Murdock concerning the myth of Jesus Christ is certainly both valuable and worthy of consideration." |
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- Dr. Ken Feder, Professor of Archaeology, review of "Christ in Egypt" |
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"...In recent months or over the last year or so I have interviewed Frank Zindler and Richard Carrier and David Fitzgerald and Robert Price all on the issue of mythicism ... when I spoke to these people I asked for their expertise collectively and what I got, especially from Fitzgerald and Robert Price, was that we should be speaking to tonights guest D.M. Murdock,author of 'Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver'." |
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- Aron Ra, The Ra Men podcast EP10 - Did Moses Exist? with D.M. Murdock |
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"I've known people with triple Ph.D's who haven't come close to the scholarship in Who Was Jesus?" |
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- Pastor David Bruce, M.Div |
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"...I have found her scholarship, research, knowledge of the original languages, and creative linkages to be breathtaking and highly stimulating." |
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- Rev. Dr. Jon Burnham, Pastor |
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"I can recommend your work whole-heartedly!" |
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- Dr. Robert Eisenman |
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"This book is a slightly revised version of my doctoral dissertation entitled “Solar Worship in the Biblical World” which was submitted to the Graduate School of Yale University in the Spring of 1989. As may be judged from the title of that work, I had at one time planned to cover more territory than sun worship in ancient Israel, but found the material pertaining to ancient Israel so vast that I never got beyond it." |
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- Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor, "Yahweh and the Sun: Biblical and Archaeological Evidence for Sun Worship in Ancient Israel" (1993) |
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"At Stonehenge in England and Carnac in France, in Egypt and Yucatan, across the whole face of the earth are found mysterious ruins of ancient monuments, monuments with astronomical significance. These relics of other times are as accessible as the American Midwest and as remote as the jungles of Guatemala. Some of them were built according to celestial alignments; others were actually precision astronomical observatories ... Careful observation of the celestial rhythms was compellingly important to early peoples, and their expertise, in some respects, was not equaled in Europe until three thousand years later." |
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- Dr. Edwin Krupp, astronomer and director at Griffith Park Observatory in Los Angeles, 'In Search of Ancient Astronomies,' page xiii. Also quoted in "Suns of God," page 26 |
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[[Special:Contributions/97.94.225.154|97.94.225.154]] ([[User talk:97.94.225.154|talk]]) 18:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC) |
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:Note the word "mainstream" which may differ from the opinions in blurbs on her websites and books. [[User:Jonathunder|Jonathunder]] ([[User talk:Jonathunder|talk]]) 18:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC) |
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It's very dishonest as none of these so-called "mainstream scholars" have ever actually studied her work. So name these so-called "mainstream scholars" instead of posting a vague smear to poison the well. It should be removed because it doesn't belong here. It's dishonest. She likely has a rebuttal. Plus, the fact that the citation leads to Dr. Robert Price who is one of her biggest supporters. |
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"I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations." "I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock" |
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- Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar with two Ph.D's, review of "Christ in Egypt" |
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http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt.htm |
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The first sentence in the Reception section is just more of the same, Wiki: "Acharya's work has been well-received by amateur 'christ mythicists', but roundly criticized by biblical scholarship." |
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Who are these "amateurs" because I quoted several highly respected scholars with Ph.d's above but none are ever mentioned here (because Wiki and editors here are only out to smear Acharya S) and by "biblical scholars" what they really mean is Christian apologists out to shore up their Christian faith & euphoria at all costs - even if it means being dishonest. It's pathetic. |
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[[Special:Contributions/97.94.225.154|97.94.225.154]] ([[User talk:97.94.225.154|talk]]) 18:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC) |
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Writing career & Publication sections are missing these
Acharya's Stellar House Publishing published, "Man Made God: A Collection of Essays by Barbara G. Walker (2010) 978-0979963148
Anahita: Ancient Persian Goddess and Zoroastrian Yazata (2013) Publisher: Avalonia, 978-1905297306
Bart Ehrman and the Quest of the Historical Jesus of Nazareth: An Evaluation of Ehrman s Did Jesus Exist? (2013) Publisher: American Atheist Press, 978-1578840199
Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver by D.M. Murdock/Acharya S (2014) Stellar House Publishing, 978-0979963186
Astrotheology Calendar Series http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/2015calendar.html
Acharya’s article peer reviewed by highly respected linguist, Dr. Paul J. Hopper: Josephus’s Testimonium Flavianum Examined Linguistically: Greek Analysis Demonstrates the Passage a Forgery In Toto
Plus, DVD documentaries too: DVD produced by artist Scott Burdick entitled: Great Minds of Our Time: D.M. Murdock (2011, 2 hours)
http://freethoughtnation.com/get-acharya-s-goodies/
97.94.225.154 (talk) 20:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
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Bart Ehrman & Maurice Casey quotes are nothing but smears and should be removed.
The Bart Ehrman comments are nothing but smears and should be removed immediately - should never have been allowed to be here in the first place. Plus, Bart Ehrman was caught lying about her work by Dr. Robert Price and Dr. Richard Carrier:
Bart Ehrman caught in lies and libel? http://freethoughtnation.com/bart-ehrman-caught-in-lies-and-libel/
Here's what Dr. Robert Price had to say about this issue regarding Bart Ehrman:
“Such libel only reveals a total disinclination to do a fraction of the research manifest on any singe page of Acharya’s works.”
– Dr. Robert Price, page xxi of the book, "Bart Erhman and the Quest of the Historical Jesus of Nazareth: An Evaluation of Ehrman’s Did Jesus Exist?"
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Richard Carrier defended Acharya on this issue in the book too as well as across several of his own blogs:
“At the very least I would expect Ehrman to have called the Vatican museum about this, and to have checked the literature on it, before arrogantly declaring no such object existed and implying Murdock made this up … She did not make that up. The reason this error troubles me is that it is indicative of the carelessness and arrogance Ehrman exhibits throughout this book … [Ehrman] often doesn’t check his facts, and clearly did little to no research. This makes the book extremely unreliable. A reader must ask, if he got this wrong, what other assertions in the book are false? And since making sure to get details like this right is the only useful purpose this book could have had, how can we credit this book as anything but a failure?”
- Richard Carrier
http://freethoughtnation.com/the-phallic-savior-of-the-world-hidden-in-the-vatican/#comment-11233
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"Writing Did Jesus Exist was an interesting task. For one thing, before writing the book, like most New Testament scholars, I knew almost nothing about the mythicist movement." - Dr. Bart Ehrman
"Bart Ehrman also confesses on page two in his book, "Did Jesus Exist?," that for 30 years he never even thought to consider to question the existence of Jesus as real historical character because it was a question that he "did not take seriously." 96.41.151.31 (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- "Bart Denton Ehrman (/bɑːrt ˈɜːrmən/; born October 5, 1955) is an American New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, and the development of early Christianity. He has written and edited 30 books, including three college textbooks. He has also authored five New York Times bestsellers. He is currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill." He is the leading authority on this subject matter in the world today, what he says is absolutely relevant for this article. Those blogs you refer to are not reliable sources and could not be used anywhere in the article:Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book and claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media are largely not acceptable.Smeat75 (talk) 17:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- Why is it impossible to get help here at Wiki? This is a prime example of how Wikipedia and it's (Christian) editors are so blatantly dishonest. Editors here on Acharya's page have no problem bringing in assorted libel and smears but, anything positive and you suddenly have BS reasons to omit it. Bart Ehrman and Maurice Casey have absolute ZERO credibility here. Acharya and other highly respected scholars proved Ehrman & Casey lied about her and her work. So, why are you promoting/advertising their trash books here? There is just no legit reason for it except to libel, smear and defame Acharya.
Acharya S wrote a couple chapters in a book you refuse to include here:
Bart Ehrman and the Quest of the Historical Jesus of Nazareth: An Evaluation of Ehrman's Did Jesus Exist? https://www.amazon.com/Ehrman-Quest-Historical-Jesus-Nazareth/dp/1578840198/truthbeknownfoun
Below are those garbage quotes that don't actually say anything - they only libel, smear and defame demonstrating they should never have been here in the first place - the biases here at Wiki is out of control:
Bart Ehrman: "the breathless conspirator's dream". He says "all of Acharya's major points are in fact wrong" and her book "is filled with so many factual errors and outlandish assertions that it is hard to believe the author is serious". Taking her as representative of some other writers about the Christ myth theory, he continues "Mythicists of this ilk should not be surprised that their views are not taken seriously by real scholars, mentioned by experts in the field, or even read by them"
"Maurice Casey criticized her work for "her anti-Christian outlook, a lack of any proper sense of reality, failure to give adequate references, inability to interpret primary sources correctly, and dependence on inaccurate out-of-date secondary sources rather than primary evidence."
Historian Richard Carrier destroys Maurice Casey's book and shows him to be untrustworthy on the subject of Acharya same as Ehrman:
Critical Review of Maurice Casey’s Defense of the Historicity of Jesus https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/4282
Here is a real scholar, a professor from Carnegie Mellon University, Dr. Paul J. Hopper, a longtime scholar who has been publishing peer-reviewed articles in journals for over 40 years and specializes in linguistics who has peer reviewed Acharya's/Murdock's article but no mention of that anywhere at Wiki because Wiki only means to defame, libel and smear her:
Jesus passage in Josephus a forgery in toto, says Greek expert http://freethoughtnation.com/jesus-passage-in-josephus-a-forgery-in-toto-says-greek-expert/
Josephus’s Testimonium Flavianum Examined Linguistically: Greek Analysis Demonstrates the Passage a Forgery In Toto https://www.academia.edu/10463098/Josephus_s_Testimonium_Flavianum_Examined_Linguistically_Greek_Analysis_Demonstrates_the_Passage_a_Forgery_In_Toto
"Paul J. Hopper is an American linguist of British birth. In 1973, he proposed the glottalic theory regarding the reconstruction of the Proto-Indo-European consonant inventory, in parallel with the Georgian linguist Tamaz Gamkrelidze and the Russian linguist Vyacheslav V. Ivanov. He later also became known for his theory of emergent grammar (Hopper 1987), for his contributions to the theory of grammaticalisation and other work dealing with the interface between grammar and usage. He currently works as the Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities at the Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, USA."
Wiki refuses to include this great info and prefers to libel, smear and defame Acharya S/Murdock instead. Shame on you.
P.S. Why is "WikiProject Christianity" following Acharya's page? Is that why we can't get any Wiki editors here to remove the smears and replace them with the facts? No more dishonest Christian editors here, PLEASE. They are not honest on Acharya's page as they'll do anything to "poison the well," as they always have. 96.41.151.31 (talk) 17:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Other religions understood themselves as allegory
"She asserted the pre-Christian religious civilizations understood their myths as allegorical"
Can anyone put a citation for this? I'm curious what book she says this. RemyRemyr (talk)
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