Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sairg

Sairg

Sairg (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Populated account categories: confirmed · suspected

For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sairg/Archive.

13 August 2021

– An SPI clerk has endorsed a request for CheckUser. A checkuser will shortly review the case.

Suspected sockpuppets

• SashankaChutia (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Ananya Taye (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Homogenie (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 103.92.41.152 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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I am listing it here because Ananya Taye seems most likely to be "SashankaChutia", who is archived to Sairg. But could be either Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Penguinnumbers/Archive or Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qwertywander/Archive. All these socks are WP:SPA and try to push a legendary account of the Chutia kingdom as history. This has been a multi-year phenomenon. These socks use IPs extensively to target other pages, and I am not listing them here, since the primary pages they target are mostly semi-protected (Chutia people, Chutia kingdom, Template:Chutiya Dynasty etc.)

The similarity with SashankaChutia is the following. There was a very long discussion on the domain of the Chutia kingdom, here. After a long discussion, SashankaChutia was identified as a sockpuppet. Ananya Taye now is pushing the same boundary that SashankaChutia was pushing for, now with a map ([1], [2] etc.) and using the same arguments SashankaChutia was making. All these socks go by their own interpretations of WP:PRIMARY texts and are incapable of coming to a consensus. Chaipau (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Addendum

I have added IP 2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd and 103.92.41.152. Users Ananya Taye and the IPs were making very similar edits very close to each other in their timestamps.

• In Kamarupa: IP address [3], Ananya Taye [4].
• In Raja Prithu. It looks like these edits are by the same user changing IDs to avoid a 3RR. 103.92.41.152 [5], [6], [7]; 2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd [8]; Ananya Taye [9], [10].

Chaipau (talk) 22:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

It seems I had reported this the two IPa at ANI [11]. Just putting it down here for the record. Also pinging Uncle G from that thread. Chaipau (talk) 23:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Additional Information

@RoySmith: I am providing below evidence that Ananya Taye has the same behavior/interest patterns as the following two confirmed sockpuppets of the master Sairg and which was reported in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sairg/Archive#16_September_2020:

• Ballav saikia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• SashankaChutia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

A very keen interest to extend set down a particular boundary of the Chutia kingdom:

• SashankaChutia: [12]
• Ballav saikia: [13]
• Ananya Taye: [14]

Ananya Taye uses a different tact to set the boundary down - by using a map which is not supported by modern historians which is identical to the one SashankaChutia and Ballav saikia are arguing for. (edited) 11:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Ananya Taye insists on using primary sources to support his claims (in this case Buranjis and others).

• Ballav saikia: [15]
• SashankaChutia: [16]
• Anaya Taye: rejecting a secondary source on the basis of a primary source [17] (edit summary); Using primary sources [18] and it was pointed out Ananya Taye just rejected the established Wikipedia policies [19].

The sockpuppet SashankaChutia had created a map [20], which an IP editor started pushing after SashankaChutia was banned [21], [22] etc. This is the same map that Ananya Taye uploaded into his account as "own work": [23].

I shall be happy to provide additional information if this is not sufficient. Though the Chutia kingdom article could be of interest for many editors, the sustained interest in putting down a specific boundary is a special interest of this editor.

Chaipau (talk) 10:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Thank you for your recommendation. If SashankaChutia has gone stale, then we may try some more recent ones. The blocking of SashankaChutia triggered a number of new accounts that were confirmed to be socks—and maybe we can CU against them. They are:

• Ballav saikia (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• JojoRabbitParadise (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Subashishborah (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) - created on the same date as Ananya Taye.
• 20thCenturyTiger (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Boro wiki_editor (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Berean Hunter is most familiar with this sock—unfortunately he is inactive on Wikipedia now. Pinging JzG in case he has some inputs here.

Chaipau (talk) 16:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Additional connections between Ananya Taye and SashankChutia

There were a number of attempts made by anonymous IPs in June 2021 to include the map File:Ahom territories until 1522 AD with the territories of Raja.jpg created by the confirmed sock SashankaChutia in Ahom kingdom ([24], [25], [26]). I reverted the last insertion with the edit summary that this was being removed on the basis of WP:BE, on 23 June 2021 [27]. On that same day and within a few hours, Ananya Taye uploaded the same map as "own work" [28], but with the date backdated to 1 May 2021.

• 2405:204:a786:bfc1:105a:beff:f5d2:c046 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 202.173.126.136 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 202.173.126.162 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

I am not adding the IP editors to checkuser request. Please advise whether I should, RoySmith. Thanks!

Chaipau (talk) 22:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC) (edited—added checkuser request for IP address as per advise below) 23:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Checkusers aren't going comment on IPs publicly, but it doesn't hurt to list them in the report. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 Additional information needed. In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:

1. At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
2. At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
3. In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this.

You're going to need to give more specific evidence. This is a big complicated case, and you've noted they could be any of three possible masters. That makes it very difficult to do any useful analysis. Actually, I'm inclined to close this with no action taken; looking at the technical indicators like timecards and editing clients used, I'm willing to believe that Homogenie and Ananya Taye might be the same person, but ​neither look anything like Sarig. The pages being edited here are the kinds of topics which draw great interest, so it's not surprising that there could be several people with similar points of view. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

• CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - Thank you Chaipau for the detailed update. That ananya and sashanka uploaded essentially identical maps (File:Ahom kingdom Map(1522AD).jpg and File:Ahom territories until 1522 AD with the territories of Raja.jpg, both labeled "own work") on commons is a pretty good clue. Unfortunately, sashanka is stale on enwiki, but if we've got a CU who also has rights on commons, they're both active there. In any case, there's sufficient overlap between ananya and homogenie ([29] or [30]), that it's likely those two are socks. Another clue is that both accounts were created a week apart, before either ever edited [31] and Ananys's first edit was to complain about "Vandalsim and disruptive editing" which seems a bit WP:PRECOCIOUS. On the other hand, I see a few differences in diction and grammar between them that I have my doubts. CU should be able to tell. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

  See also commons:Commons:Requests for checkuser/Case/SashankaChutia -- RoySmith (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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