Talk:Mahatma Gandhi

Controversies

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The diaries of Mridula Gandhi are now available in English.

So please add a 'Controversies' section.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49848645

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/the-interviews-blog/gandhi-was-obsessed-with-sex-while-preaching-celibacy-to-others-kusoom-vadgama/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbioggio (talk • contribs) 04:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Archiving bots

I see three configurations for the archiving. Could someone with the knowledge of the configs remove the non-required ones? From history, I see Lowercase sigmabot III archiving. Thanks! -- DaxServer (talk) 09:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2021

2409:4063:2210:D626:0:0:27F4:A0A0 (talk) 23:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Mohan Das Karam Chandra Gandhi not Mahatma Gandhi

 Not done: The current use is well cited. Please provide reliable sources verifying the claim that Mohan Das Karam Chandra Gandhi should be used instead of Mahatma Gandhi Terasail^[✉️] 00:00, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Same thing yar MJ7PRO (talk) 15:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Not to use 'Mahatma' in title

As per Wikipedia any personality can't have it's nickname in titles , so here why Mahatma used it must be Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ONLY must be edited MJ7PRO (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME. We title articles according to how the subject is best known, not according to a legal birth name. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

It does not matter what is the legal name of a subject. WP:COMMONNAME advocates that the subject should be named after their common name which in this case is clearly Mahatma Gandhi and not MK Gandhi. Appu (talk) 01:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 8 September 2021

Mahatma Gandhi → Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi – word "mahatma" is a honorific title, and using this in article's title violates WP:NPOV, WP:TITLESINTITLES and also MOS:HONORIFICs Uttarpradeshi (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Even better would be Mohandas K. Gandhi, the name he used as the author of his autobiography. The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions and The Oxford Companion to British History both give "Gandhi, Mohandas Karamchand." 99to99 (talk) 14:23, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Snow oppose : WP:COMMONNAME lists this very article as an example of how to use a name that is recognizable rather than 'official': Mahatma Gandhi (not: Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi). As for the honorific title, MOS:HONORIFIC says that where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for Mother Teresa. This is obviously also the case here. What would be a viable option within policy is to rename the article to simply Gandhi, though I would personally oppose that too. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 14:28, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I wonder what the nominator was thinking, since WP:TITLESINTITLES also specifically lists Mahatma Gandhi as an exception... ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 14:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
    • I believe the nom got it from Talk:Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader)#Requested move 7 September 2021 which discusses the title in title. — DaxServer (talk to me) 16:14, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as per Apaugasma. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose I tried my darndest to save the name "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi" for a long time, but one time when I was away from WP, the Mahatma-ists had their way. Having said this, the name "Mahatma Gandhi" has remained (mostly) unopposed, even unquestioned, for upward of ten years. "Mahatma" is what pretty much everyone calls him even the Times of London ("The man who assassinated Mahatma Gandhi has had a library dedicated to him in the latest attempt by right-wing Hindu groups to rehabilitate ...") Speaking of "right-wing Hindu groups," making the name longer, "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi," could also reduce Gandhi's presence on the internet (which those same Hindu groups would welcome) as most people who search for him know him only as "Mahatma." (This though is not my main point, just a passing thought.) I note that Britannica has changed the phrasing of the original signed article on Gandhi by B. R. Nanda which began with "MKG ..." to "Mahatma Gandhi, byname of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, ..." Long story short: I have a good feeling that the proposal will not pass. It is entirely in good faith but comes too late. On the other hand, if people want to change the name of the page to Gandhi (which redirects to it), in the manner of Churchill, I will support the move (despite Indira Gandhi and her notable progeny). Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:38, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

PS It would have help had I checked before I opened my big mouth. Churchill, Darwin, Freud, Newton aren't the page names, but redirect to them. So, now I'm not sure about moving it to Gandhi, especially in light of RegentsParks comments. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the examples you mentioned (Winston Churchill, Charles Darwin, etc.) are the way they are because of the following clause in WP:CONCISE: neither a given name nor a family name is usually omitted or abbreviated for conciseness. Gandhi is a bit of a special case though, being commonly known by his title rather than by his given name. But per RegentsPark, there are too many other notable people with that name, and I personally think it's a bad idea anyway to have a WP:SINGLENAME in any case where a somewhat fuller name is also common (though there are many WP pages that do have a single name in such a case: Jesus rather than Jesus of Nazareth, Ali rather than Ali ibn Abi Talib, etc.). ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Nicely explained @Apaugasma:. Thank you. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

PPS I note also that the United Nations in its resolution of June 2007 to make Gandhi's birthday the International Day of Non-Violence, called him "Mahatma Gandhi" (here) even if they copied a little from us. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose I vehemently opposed the move to Mahatma Gandhi (just reread that request!) but, with time, I've concluded I was wrong. Gandhi is not a good enough title since we have so many of the unrelated Gandhi family and Mahatma is definitely the most common usage. Fowler, above, has reasoned through this much better than I can so definitely oppose. --RegentsPark (comment) 14:55, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. (I would, however, be open to moving the page to Gandhi, which already redirects here anyway.) -- Calidum 14:57, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, MOS:HONOURIFICS, WP:TITLESINTITLES; and F&fs and RPs comments — DaxServer (talk to me) 16:14, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Mahatma Gandhi has been the established common name for decades. It is much better known worldwide than his real name. JIP | Talk 16:28, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Support, Mohandas Gandhi asked people not to call him Mahatma. Thanks to the nominator for supporting Gandhi's request. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  • That does not change the fact that Mahatma Gandhi is the common name. The subject of an article has no authority over the article. That Gandhi has been dead for over seventy years has no bearing on this matter. JIP | Talk 03:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
    • JIP I was reading everyone's comments about the issue, but dont want to interfere because i have already cleared my opinion in this matter above, but still i have to come and type something, because i feel it is very much necessary. so i just read the comment of JIP, i respect his opinion i dont want to counter his opinion, but he said "That gandhi has been dead", "that gandhi" particularly is kind of disrespectful for a great man like Mahatma gandhi, i know i dont support this name, but that is because of wikipedia's policy violation, otherwise i support "mahatma" word, becuase he was a "Mahatma" (Great soul). so i request JIP to be a little respectful towards "Father of Our Nation" "Mahatma Gandhi" Uttarpradeshi (talk) 05:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
    • and ya let me clear this, in the above comment, its totally about user JIP's comment, it has nothing to do with the user at personal level. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 05:18, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
      • I did not call Mahatma Gandhi "that Gandhi". The word "that" was a conjunction. The sentence meant "Gandhi has been dead for over seventy years, but this has no bearing on this matter". JIP | Talk 07:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
        • Oh, ok. I think it is because of my english.LOL. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 08:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:COMMONNAME applies here. She is better known as "Mahatma Gandhi" worldwide and the nomination doesn't much know about horrific title. 36.77.95.164 (talk) 10:14, 9 September 2021 (UTC)