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* [https://brill.com/view/journals/afoc/24/2/article-p9_3.xml Zeleza (2011)], p. 17: “By the early 1980s, about 600 institutions of higher education had established programs in Black studies, African American studies, Afro-American studies, or Africana studies. The proliferation of the nomenclature was itself an indication of the internal theoretical and methodological divisions in '''the field'''.” (emphasis added) |
* [https://brill.com/view/journals/afoc/24/2/article-p9_3.xml Zeleza (2011)], p. 17: “By the early 1980s, about 600 institutions of higher education had established programs in Black studies, African American studies, Afro-American studies, or Africana studies. The proliferation of the nomenclature was itself an indication of the internal theoretical and methodological divisions in '''the field'''.” (emphasis added) |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934709335136 Reid-Merritt (2009)], pp. 80-81: “As '''the field''' continued to expand and more institutions added Black Studies to their curricular offerings, colleges and universities selected the most popular designation of the day. Some programs experienced several name changes—from Black Studies, to Afro-American Studies, to African American Studies, to Africana Studies—with very little change to the core curriculum.” (emphasis added) |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934709335136 Reid-Merritt (2009)], pp. 80-81: “As '''the field''' continued to expand and more institutions added Black Studies to their curricular offerings, colleges and universities selected the most popular designation of the day. Some programs experienced several name changes—from Black Studies, to Afro-American Studies, to African American Studies, to Africana Studies—with very little change to the core curriculum.” (emphasis added) |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0021934709335130 Reid-Merritt (2009)], p. 6: “As we discussed the current state of affairs, we lamented over the ongoing, problematic issue of identifying a single nomenclature that most accurately reflected our chosen '''field''' of study. The names varied: Black Studies, Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, Africana Studies, Pan-African Studies, African World Diaspora Studies, and so many others.” (emphasis added) |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0021934709335130 Reid-Merritt (2009)], p. 6: “As we discussed the current state of affairs, we lamented over the ongoing, problematic issue of identifying a single nomenclature that most accurately reflected our chosen '''field''' of study. The names varied: Black Studies, Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, Africana Studies, Pan-African Studies, African World Diaspora Studies, and so many others.” (emphasis added) |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0021934718797317 Karenga (2018)], p. 579: “The names, Black Studies, Africana Studies, Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, Pan-African Studies, and Africology reflect '''a discipline''' with different sites of origin, different definitions, and varied understandings of itself although there are common ground conceptions and practices (Aldridge, 2000; Karenga, 2009; Hall, 1999).” (emphasis added) |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0021934718797317 Karenga (2018)], p. 579: “The names, Black Studies, Africana Studies, Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, Pan-African Studies, and Africology reflect '''a discipline''' with different sites of origin, different definitions, and varied understandings of itself although there are common ground conceptions and practices (Aldridge, 2000; Karenga, 2009; Hall, 1999).” (emphasis added) |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0021934718786221 Reid-Merritt (2018)], p. 559: “Initially started by students at San Francisco State University in 1968 as Black Studies, '''the field''' has been called Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, African World Studies, Africana Studies, Pan African Studies, and Africology (Karenga, 2012; Reid-Merritt, 2009).” (emphasis added) |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0021934718786221 Reid-Merritt (2018)], p. 559: “Initially started by students at San Francisco State University in 1968 as Black Studies, '''the field''' has been called Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, African World Studies, Africana Studies, Pan African Studies, and Africology (Karenga, 2012; Reid-Merritt, 2009).” (emphasis added) |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934709335134 Karenga (2009)], pp. 45-46: |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934709335134 Karenga (2009)], pp. 45-46: |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934705285939 Christian (2006)], p. 698: “This article is concerned with the fact that Black studies (or African American studies, Africana studies, Pan-African studies, African Centered studies, Afrocentric studies, Africalogical studies, African and African Diaspora studies—they all basically mean the same thing) continues to have a contested existence in the U.S. academy. However, regardless of the ever-present need to validate itself, '''this field''' defies all attempts to silence its voice.” (emphasis added) |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934705285939 Christian (2006)], p. 698: “This article is concerned with the fact that Black studies (or African American studies, Africana studies, Pan-African studies, African Centered studies, Afrocentric studies, Africalogical studies, African and African Diaspora studies—they all basically mean the same thing) continues to have a contested existence in the U.S. academy. However, regardless of the ever-present need to validate itself, '''this field''' defies all attempts to silence its voice.” (emphasis added) |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934703259257 Conyers (2004)], p. 640: “The scope and purpose of this article is to examine the effectiveness of '''the discipline''' of Africology as '''a''' holistic academic '''discipline'''. Often referred to as Africana studies, African American studies, Afro-American studies, Black studies, and Africology, this exercise of nomenclature can be defined as the study of Africana phenomena from an Afrocentric perspective.” (emphasis added) |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934703259257 Conyers (2004)], p. 640: “The scope and purpose of this article is to examine the effectiveness of '''the discipline''' of Africology as '''a''' holistic academic '''discipline'''. Often referred to as Africana studies, African American studies, Afro-American studies, Black studies, and Africology, this exercise of nomenclature can be defined as the study of Africana phenomena from an Afrocentric perspective.” (emphasis added) |
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* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934709335135 Mazama (2009)], p. 65: |
* [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021934709335135 Mazama (2009)], p. 65: |
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* [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00064246.2020.1780859 Asante (2020)], p. 48: "Periodically we have had discussions of the naming of the scholarly and pedagogical enterprise for which we have dedicated our careers. The nomenclature attests to the difficulty with the description of '''the field'''. It has been called Black Studies, Afro-American Studies, Black American Studies, Pan African Studies, African American Studies, Black World Studies, Africana Studies, and Africol-ogy." (emphasis added) |
* [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00064246.2020.1780859 Asante (2020)], p. 48: "Periodically we have had discussions of the naming of the scholarly and pedagogical enterprise for which we have dedicated our careers. The nomenclature attests to the difficulty with the description of '''the field'''. It has been called Black Studies, Afro-American Studies, Black American Studies, Pan African Studies, African American Studies, Black World Studies, Africana Studies, and Africol-ogy." (emphasis added) |
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* [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12111-021-09547-1 Dawkins (2021)], p. 5: "Despite calls for such identities as Black Studies, Pan-African Studies, Afro-American Studies, African and Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, African Diaspora Studies, and Africology, among others (Hare, 1972; Turner, 1984; Stewart, 1984; Young, 1984; Asante 1998; Van Horne, 2007; Stewart, 1984; Karenga, 2009), some leading Black Studies scholars have begun to embrace “Africana” Studies as the formal identity of '''the field''', even though the common reference to Black Stud-ies continues to be widely acceptability (Alkalimat, 2013; Karenga, 2007, 2009)." (emphasis added) |
* [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12111-021-09547-1 Dawkins (2021)], p. 5: "Despite calls for such identities as Black Studies, Pan-African Studies, Afro-American Studies, African and Afro-American Studies, African American Studies, African Diaspora Studies, and Africology, among others (Hare, 1972; Turner, 1984; Stewart, 1984; Young, 1984; Asante 1998; Van Horne, 2007; Stewart, 1984; Karenga, 2009), some leading Black Studies scholars have begun to embrace “Africana” Studies as the formal identity of '''the field''', even though the common reference to Black Stud-ies continues to be widely acceptability (Alkalimat, 2013; Karenga, 2007, 2009)." (emphasis added) |
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Neutrality and quality
This article seems to be written from a fairly biased perspective - see, for example, the titling of the section "The rise and fall of African American Studies" and the sentence "Racism perpetrated by many administrators hinders the institutionalization of Black Studies at major university." As can be seen in this passage, this article also has problems with grammar and encyclopedic tone. In addition, since this discipline is and has been the subject of some controversy and criticism from within the academic community, one of the most common and cogent criticisms being that it is not a field of research but a political cause. On these grounds I would suggest adding a "Criticism" section to the article to lend credence to some of the challenges leveled against the field. Gatotsu911 (talk) 05:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- I agree -- although I'm not as convinced the article is balanced. There should be some reference to the fact that a major in black studies prepares the graduate for nothing after graduation. 2606:A000:7542:2600:550:50BC:312B:6DE5 (talk) 19:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- I agree too. Although nobody really takes "African-American studies" seriously there is STILL no mention of this criticism other than the sentence "On many campuses an overall lack of respect for the discipline has caused instability for the students and for the program." Just like "African-American studies" not being an academic field this is not a Wikipedia article - it's just (lousy) propaganda. Nothing more. Johannes Christian (talk) 04:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Tenure
The sentence "On many campuses directors of black studies have little to no autonomy—they do not have the power to hire or grant tenure to faculty" is somewhat misleading. Hiring and tenure decisions are often not at the hands of department chairs. Academic departments often vote and recommend that tenure be granted, but the actual proceeding takes place at the university level. 130.132.173.97 (talk) 20:56, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Black Americana
I don't know when, how or who redirected Black Americana to this article, but that seems completely wrong. For those that don't know, Black Americana is a category of objects and collectibles created through history which are frequently racist or offensive or stereotypical in nature. There should probably at some point be a category, or an article or something that describes it. (I'm not sure why there isn't one now as there are several articles which seem to mention it.) Centerone (talk) 02:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
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Question??
Why was African American History Important to W.E.B. Du Bois That he started his efforts to reconstructed it? Amarsha8 (talk) 03:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- You may just want to start by reading the article on W.E.B. Du Bois to get a better idea surrounding his motivations and interests. Centerone (talk) 20:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Black Americana?!?!
Why the heck does Black Americana redirect to this page which seems to have no significant content on black americana? Certainly black americana is worthy of a page of it's own as a significant type of cultural and historical artifact. Is black americana listed under some sort of other term currently? Anybody know? Centerone (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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Sub-Field?
A lack of understanding of the field. The titles of these departments: Black Studies, Africana Studies, African-American Studies, Pan-African Studies, and Africology, reference departments that are all in the same field. There are no subfields. Some departments of "African American studies" do Caribbean and continental African studies. Some Africana Studies departments do mainly African American studies. It depends on the alignment of the particular department based on the current faculty who run it. Name changes to be more uniformed don't always occur or are sometimes challenged by the college they are housed under. We should merge the two articles "African American Studies" and "Africana Studies" with this in mind. Africologist (talk) 11:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Requested move 28 June 2021
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No opposition here, and the discussion at the MOS supports this style (though there are objections to codifying this level of detail on the policy page). User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
African-American studies → African American studies – WP:COMMONNAME is without hyphen. This is quite apparent on other websites and ngram, as well as major university programs (e.g. Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Boston University, South Carolina University, etc.) and an academic journal in the field (e.g. Journal of African American Studies). There is also a related MOS discussion. Caorongjin (talk) 23:09, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support I don't have particularly strong thoughts here, but it seems reasonable for the same usage on the page African Americans to be reflected here.--Yaksar (let's chat) 15:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. I agree it makes little difference, but go with the more common usage and consistency with other articles. Andrewa (talk) 17:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Discussion
I note
18:19, 24 July 2013 Schierbecker talk contribs block 38 bytes +38 Marcus Qwertyus moved page African American studies to African-American studies over redirect: compund adjective
and also that there is discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Hyphenating racial identities (as noted above) which is ongoing. Andrewa (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Request for comment: Should African American studies and Africana studies be merged into a single article?
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Should African American studies and Africana studies be merged into a single article? Daniel Power of God (talk) 16:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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In Okafor (2014), pp. 218-219, the following is stated:
This excerpt seems to correspond with the points made by Africologist at Talk:African American studies#Sub-Field?, including where the following statement made was: "The titles of these departments: Black Studies, Africana Studies, African-American Studies, Pan-African Studies, and Africology, reference departments that are all in the same field." Okafor (2014) indicates that African American studies and Africana studies are a "discipline" (as opposed to disciplines/fields or sub-disciplines/sub-fields) that go by various names. Africologist also stated at Talk:African American studies#Sub-Field?: "We should merge the two articles "African American Studies" and "Africana Studies" with this in mind." Should African American studies and Africana studies be merged into a single article? Additional sources to consider:
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- @Daniel Power of God: what is your brief and neutral statement? At nearly 9,500 bytes, the statement above (from the
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