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Harry Partridge

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No way this passes WP:ACTORS, WP:CREATIVE, WP:NBIO, or WP:GNG. ––FormalDude talk 03:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ––FormalDude talk 03:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Harry Partridge is not first and foremost a voice actor but an animator. He easily passes WP:AUTHOR #3 & #4 through his collective body of work in general and through Saturday Morning Watchmen especially, whom he was the sole creator of(!). The article also meets the general notability guidelines as he and his work has received plenty of coverage. The article is well-sourced with plenty of WP:RS. 101.50.250.88 (talk) 03:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  Easily passes WP:AUTHOR is completely false. Though that may be his best case for notability, it is still not at all a strong one. Given the lack of any significant coverage on the subject, I am still convinced it does not meet WP:GNG either. ––FormalDude talk 03:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  How can you claim it's "completely false"? Please read WP:AUTHOR point 3: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work" and point 4: "The person's work (or works) has: ... (c) won significant critical attention". Again, I'm trying to assume good faith here but if you don't see how Saturday Morning Watchmen obviously qualifies, you haven't even tried to understand the policy. Several of his other animations have also been covered in WP:RS including the BBC, El Diaro (Spain), and The Japan Times (for the full list, see the References section!).101.50.250.88 (talk) 03:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  There's no good significant coverage at all, let alone significant critical attention of his work. It doesn't pass WP:NBIO and it doesn't pass WP:GNG. All the sources have no depth of WP:SIGCOV. ––FormalDude talk 10:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV are different links to the same policy. The only thing that part has to say about "depth" is this: "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." A reasonable interpretation is that there is no absolute requirement regarding depth of references, if there's sufficient breadth. There are however several in-depth articles about Saturday Morning Watchmen, which is all that's needed to clear WP:AUTHOR.101.50.250.88 (talk) 11:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. ––FormalDude talk 11:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

  The absolute majority of the references listed are obviously more than trivial mentions. Some of the information has been "extracted" from trivial mentions (like the bit about when he was 12... which you've of course bastardized in your edits) but I don't expect those to be used to establish notability, just to flesh out the article. 101.50.250.88 (talk) 11:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• Keep; no, doesn't pass WP:ACTORS, probably because he's not really an actor. He's an animator, and one who's managed to get himself written-about by a lot of unconnected people, in a wide range of sources - which is more-or-less WPs definition of notable. Animation is quite a big theme in the UK, and it would be rather sad were an English language WP unable to provide information on the important people in this theme. Elemimele (talk) 05:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. 101.50.250.88 (talk) 09:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. 101.50.250.88 (talk) 09:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. 101.50.250.88 (talk) 09:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: User:FormalDude is bastardizing the article, removing several reliable sources, removing content wholesale to push through with this deletion, and refuses to engage in conversation on the relevant talk page. Is this really in accordance with Wikipedia policies? I'm sure trashing the article you've decided YOUDONTLIKE is an effective way of getting it deleted, but could you maybe stop sabotaging other editors work trying to improve the article while this vote you've initiated is on-going? If you were actually trying to improve the article, you could tag statements you don't think are supported by the current sources with "citation-needed" rather then just tearing it all out.101.50.250.88 (talk) 11:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • My edits are cleaning up the article and removing unsuitable content, and have been consistent with other editors' contributions. It has nothing to do with me personally liking the article or not, and actually it seems you're the one who is way too personally invested in this page for some reason. ––FormalDude talk 11:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    • I'd like to suggest future voters look at the most recent un-bastardized version of the article: [1] and decide for themselves whether the content is unsuitable or not, not leaving that judgement call to one single editor who dishonestly refers to WP:ACTOR when it's apparent that it's WP:AUTHOR which is the most relevant policy, and makes no effort to list the discussion in the relevant deletion forums, and has apparently decided that actually discussing your edits on the talk page is a waste of time. 101.50.250.88 (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
      • If you were to provide any logical or common-sense reasoning, I would respond. But that's yet to happen, so I would indeed be wasting my time. ––FormalDude talk 11:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
        • I think we're getting into a bit of an unnecessary panic about this. I personally disagree with @FormalDude:'s nomination, but the edits he's made seem perfectly sensible to me. In my view, the references that remain indicate a strong interest in Partridge, and that he's got good press coverage. The fact that some weaker or less-suitable references have been removed by the nominator and yet plenty of good references remain is surely a good thing for those who believe the article should be kept. Also, it's best to keep these things impersonal. FormalDude has every right to bring the article to AfD, I have every right to disagree, and we all discuss it - though of course it's right that anyone reading this should be aware that changes have been made to the article during AfD. The ideal outcome of AfD is often to keep an article, but in an improved form. Elemimele (talk) 12:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)