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Hi Sdrqaz. I really appreciate the assistance with the DYK nomination!

I was wondering if I could ask your opinion on two other articles I submitted to WP:AFC last year: Draft:International Championship Wrestling (Mississippi) and Draft:National Wrestling Conference.

They've both been declined under WP:ESSAY.

I scaled back a lot of the quotes/text but I'm a little confused as to how the WP:ESSAY policy applies here. I haven't inserted original ideas / opinions, and it's written in an encyclopedic, neutral tone.

Thanks. 173.162.220.17 (talk) 18:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Also here's some possible DYK hooks if these end up being accepted. Hook #4 (ICW) and #1-3 (NCW) might be more topical since Smith and Warrior were both recently profiled by the Dark Side of the Ring documentary series, as well as Hook #4 (NCW) as GLOW was among a number of series shut down due to Covid.

For International Championship Wrestling (Mississippi)

1. ... that International Championship Wrestling was the first wrestling territory for Michael Hayes, Terry Gordy, Kamala and Percy Pringle?
2. ... that International Championship Wrestling was the birthplace of The Fabulous Freebirds?
3. ... that the Culkin family waged a two-year promotional war against NWA Tri-State over the National Wrestling Alliance's Mid-South territory?
   1. ... and filed an anti-trust lawsuit as part of their campaign against the NWA?
4. ... that in his role as International Championship Wrestling's booker, Grizzly Smith was allegedly paid by Bill Watts to purposely sabotage their shows?
5. ... that International Championship Wrestling's television series was lost in a studio fire in 1986?

For National Wrestling Conference

1. ... that in 1995, The Ultimate Warrior agreed to make an appearance for the Las Vegas-based National Wrestling Conference after nearly three years in self-imposed exile?
2. ... that the National Wrestling Conference formed a partnership with The Ultimate Warrior which included jointly promoting Warrior University?
   1. ...and that Warrior's abrupt departure weeks later, and his erratic behavior leading up to their debut event, is blamed for causing the NWC's first bankruptcy?
3. ...that the National Wrestling Conference's controversial KKK storyline was the basis of an episode of the Netflix series GLOW?
4. ...that during a National Wrestling Conference show, Cactus Jack piledrove Sabu onto a blackjack table at the Silver Nugget Casino?
5. ...that the National Wrestling Conference pioneered the use of the internet to promote itself and interact with wrestling fans across the country using AOL Chat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.162.220.17 (talk) 19:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the immense delay. I'm a little more used to reviewing things simply based on notability rather than things like WP:NOTESSAY. I think the pages are a little too dependent on things that wouldn't traditionally be considered reliable sources on Wikipedia. What I mean is that a lot of the sources seem to be self-published sources and fora. While the personal website of someone significant can be used for an opinion or experience attributed to them (for example this source from Percy Pringle), they shouldn't really be used for claiming things happened in Wikipedia's voice. If we first look at Draft:International Championship Wrestling (Mississippi), examples of sources that aren't great for Wikipedia include this Facebook source and various forum posts like this (can we really be sure that's Izzy Slapawitz?). Try to focus on the book sources and the newspaper ones. Don't be afraid to cut down on detail that is sourced to self-published things like podcasts, because articles need to be based on reliable sources. I think much of what I've said apply for both drafts. Primefac, since you declined both of them back in December, do you have anything to add? Sdrqaz (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate you getting back to me. The Facebook page is run by Gil Culkin who co-promoted ICW with his father. Also there's a lot of wrestlers who've been interviewed by WrestlingClassics.com or, like Slapawitz, wrote a few articles for the Kayfabe Memories website. I believe wrestling personalities who posted on the message board, most famously Lou Thesz and Jack Brisco, were verified by the owners. I can easily remove those sources though. This was very helpful, thanks. 173.162.220.17 (talk) 19:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Shadow docket (Inf-in MD)

Hi there - I wanted to crate such an article (my first!) , and saw a note that there is already a draft, of which you started and appear to be maintaining. How do we get this moved into the main article space? Inf-in MD (talk) 17:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Inf-in MD: I'm hoping to get that draft into the mainspace soon (less than a month, hopefully). There are still some sources linked on that page that I haven't yet written about and it's been a little difficult structuring it. I'm still not comfortable with it being moved into the mainspace at the moment, given the gaping holes in it. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:38, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, let me know if I can help you in any way. Inf-in MD (talk) 22:59, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Inf-in MD: Just a head's-up: shadow docket is in the mainspace now. A fuller explanation on how that happened can be found here, but in essence it is two pages on the same topic jammed together. As you'd expect from a rushed merge, the structure and prose is quite clunky so help is welcome! Sdrqaz (talk) 16:31, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll see what I can do. Inf-in MD (talk) 16:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

It is very well written, BTW. :) Inf-in MD (talk) 17:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, but I can't take all the credit for that :) Sdrqaz (talk) 17:45, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I just finished reading the whole genesis of this making it out of the Draft Space, so yeah - kudos to Jaydavidmartin, and Mz7, too. Inf-in MD (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:52, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Page on Bryce Lyon

Thank you for your comments. Please delete the page on Bryce Lyon, retaining the page on Bryce D. Lyon. Or move it back into my sandbox delyon51. I lack the technical skills to write this article. Initially, the article was rejected for lack of references. I do not know how to create footnotes so I linked to books and created a reference section. But if I were an editor, I would delete a lot of my references because they breakup the flow.

I wrote the article from Bryce's CV. Would it help to upload the CV? And how does one upload? Yet, again the CV is verification of the article. Ugh.

And thanks!§ Eve Lyon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delyon51 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Eve, you may find Help:Referencing for beginners to be useful, or Help:Referencing for beginners without using templates for an even simpler version. Basically put your source in these <ref>...</ref> tags after the information you want to source (so for example Lee Ji-eun is a best-selling Korean singer.<ref>Sdrqaz [www.sdrqaz.com/iu Profile of IU], ''The Sdrqaz Times'', 25 August 2021. Retrieved 2 September 2021</ref>) and put {{reflist}} after a "References" heading. As for the CV, do the many universities have profiles of Lyon on their websites? The problem with uploading a CV yourself is that it's essentially a self-published source and not what most Wikipedians would consider to be a reliable source. Maybe there's a book that Lyon wrote where there is some information about him, or even better a source written about him? Or maybe Lyon's personal website, which can be used for uncontroversial information? Sdrqaz (talk) 16:31, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: Conversation was regarding my message on Delyon51's talk page.

Nate Morris request

Hello again! I hope you don't mind I noted two additional memberships at the end of my request here. I understand you're still planning to review the request and update the article appropriately, since you have the necessary source text, but please let me know if I need to seek help elsewhere. Thanks so much! MS rep 4 NMorris (talk) 10:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

 Resolved, finally. Sdrqaz (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Shadow docket (Jaydavidmartin)

Hi Sdrqaz. I created a page for Shadow docket, but noticed when I went to transfer what I had written to the mainspace that you had previously created the page, only to have its contents moved to draftspace (my apologies if it is ordinary procedure to first check if a draft exists for a page). You appear to have a good deal of further information in your draft, so feel free to move any information you would like to Shadow docket and make adjustments as you see fit. Jaydavidmartin (talk) 22:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Jay, I can't believe it. I've been working on that page since February, and all of those efforts seem to have been in vain. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:20, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

No! I'm sorry. Much of what you have written can easily be incorporated into the page. Jaydavidmartin (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

My apologies if I erred in not first checking if a draft page existed and assisting you there instead. I've typically been creating drafts in subpages of my userspace so it did not occur to me to look in the draftspace until I had already written an entire article and gone to copy-paste it to Shadow docket.Jaydavidmartin (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Jaydavidmartin: The shadow docket is a topic that interests me as well, and I also previously offered to help Sdrqaz with constructing the draft. Since the content of the two pages are now merged together, I've gone ahead and also merged the revision histories of the two pages together as well. This helps clarify the attribution required for the merged content. Best, Mz7 (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your hard work, M. I've nominated it for DYK (I either had less than a day left to nominate it based off the first time it was moved to the mainspace, or six days based on yesterday's creation. Either way, not risking it). Sdrqaz (talk) 16:31, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Question

please can I ask a question — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samiyun (talk • contribs) 23:34, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Sure, Samiyun. What's your question? Sdrqaz (talk) 23:50, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

How can I use hotcat Samiyun (talk) 23:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

If you go to the "Editing" section of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and tick the "HotCat" box and save your changes, you can enable it there. There's a little more information on how to use the tool here too. However, since you're on mobile, you can't really access HotCat (gadgets only work on the desktop). If you're desperate to use HotCat on your phone, you can go to the very bottom of your screen and there should be a "Desktop" link there. If you tap that, that will give you the desktop view and you can use HotCat. Sdrqaz (talk) 00:10, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

How long does it take for an article to be approved Samiyun (talk) 00:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Samiyun, could you explain a little more what you mean? If you're talking about a draft that you've put through the Articles for Creation process, the current backlog seems to be at four weeks, though that's usually for the more complicated cases. Sometimes drafts can get approved in days or even less time. If you're talking about an article in the mainspace (you might hear them called "live" articles), they don't need to be approved, but have to be "patrolled" before they can appear in searches online like Google. That also usually takes a couple of days. I'm also a little curious why you've chosen me to ask these questions (although I enjoy answering them), since I don't think we've ever interacted. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, will like you to be my mentor Samiyun (talk) 13:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Given my question has gone unanswered, I'm afraid I'm not willing to be your mentor. I'm not experienced enough to be anyone's mentor, anyway. Sdrqaz (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, please send me a mail (Redacted) Samiyun (talk) 15:43, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Samiyun, if you want to send (or receive) email from folks, you should use the "email this user" feature (and set an email address for yourself on your account). Posting your email here is not a good idea. Primefac (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

OK thanks Samiyun (talk) 19:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, Sdrqaz. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Requested moves, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! – bradv^🍁 03:51, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Brad. My previous request took about three weeks to be approved, so I thought a week before the trial's end wouldn't be enough time but was pleasantly surprised. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Page on Olgar J. Nielsen

Hi, i would like to get a more concrete answer on why the page was moved to draft?

There are thousands of pages similar to this one and i can not see what the difference is if someone else created it?

I just a football player page, it should not be any different from for example, Jóan Símin Edmundsson, Gilli Rólantsson and so on?

I look forward to hearing from you, i may seem irritated by the way i´m writing, but i can assure you i´m just trying to learn and understand.

Sincerly FaroeseEditor — Preceding unsigned comment added by FaroeseEditer (talk • contribs) 14:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@FaroeseEditer: The difference is that editors with a conflict of interest often find that they cannot make objective decisions on the article. There's more information available at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § Why is conflict of interest a problem?. That's why pages created by editors with a conflict of interest should go through the Articles for Creation process, as it allows another editor without a conflict of interest to look through and review the page. As for the other football players you've mentioned (Jóan Símun Edmundsson and Gilli Rólantsson), they are clearly different from Olgar J. Nielsen given that they are both professional footballers and part of the national football team, while Nielsen is an amateur football player who made an appearance for the "Faroe Islands Fans national football team" (I assume that is distinct from the full national team), going off the description in the article. Sdrqaz (talk) 15:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting my unwanted page!

-Teertrevo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teertrevo (talk • contribs) 16:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Teertrevo, you're welcome. If you have any other unwanted pages that you created, you can add {{db-author}} to the page and an administrator will help you delete it (I'm not actually an administrator; I just tag pages). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Naga people

Is there a place called 'Lanka' now?. Naga people lived in Sri Lanka so the page name should also be that. Can you please educate yourself about the subject first before calling something "clearly inappropriate"?. And, can you explain the authority you have to 'ask me to explain'? YaSiRu11 (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

YaSiRu11, I have no opinion on whether the page should be named "Naga people (Sri Lanka)" or "Naga people (Lanka)". As I stated, what I do have an opinion on is that it should not be called "Naga people0000". That is what I was calling "clearly inappropriate" (as shown by the link in my message). I have zero authority over you; I am an editor just like you. But being part of the Wikipedia community carries with it an obligation to be accountable for what you've done, regardless of whoever's asking. Administrators and people with hour-long accounts (or no accounts) have asked me about my actions, and I have responded because communication is required on Wikipedia. I have told you to use the requested moves process or post at the technical requests noticeboard if you think it is an uncontroversial change, instead of cut-and-pasting articles. You have ignored me, and have continued with your behaviour (cut; paste). Please stop. Sdrqaz (talk) 16:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for point out my "inadvertent error". I'm glad that we have editors like you over here. You are making a difference. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@TheAafi: Thank you for the encouragement! As you said, mistakes are human nature, and I've certainly made my fair share of them. We're all part of something greater here. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Help needed on Jonathan D. Gray page

Hi Sdrqaz. Thanks for the help you have given in the past with the bio of Jonathan D. Gray. Recently, an editor responded to an additional edit request I made in what seems to me a peculiar way, and I am hoping you can take a look. The editor's response was "After careful review of the article and its sources, I deem that it is good as is, this request is therefore unnecessary" without offering any other reason why the edits should not be made. I find this confusing and a bit strange, and that is why I am asking you, a more experienced editor, to please take a look at my edit request, and hopefully implement the request if you feel it makes sense and improves the article. Thanks for any continued help you can provide. ThomasClements Blackstone (talk) 11:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

ThomasClements Blackstone, "confusing and a bit strange" is right. I've carried out the uncontentious changes, but cannot access the sources to verify the fourth proposed change due to a paywall (see my statement on the talk page). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Frost* Day and Age edits

Thanks Sdrqaz for the edits, I saw the edits, I will limit my copied text and make sure any quoted text is marked as such in the future. Kimjalh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimjalh (talk • contribs) 21:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Kimjalh; it's good that you understand. However, you need to stop removing the {{copyvio-revdel}} template from Day and Age (Frost* album) (here and here), and revert yourself. The template is needed so administrators can change the visibility of those revisions, so Wikipedia does not host those copyright violations. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Understood. Thanks again. Kimjalh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimjalh (talk • contribs) 22:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Julio César Martín

You moved this page to a draft citing COI, with good reason. However the article as it now stands seems perfectly acceptable and IMO could be moved back to mainspace (as he is notable per se as a bishop, and notable independently due to his stance on LGBT rights). And it is not a stub, unlike many bishop articles. Oculi (talk) 12:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Oculi, I'd personally prefer that it went through the AfC process, but if you (as an editor without a conflict of interest) feel that it's fine for the mainspace, please go ahead. Thanks for discussing with me. Sdrqaz (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Kemi Badenoch on British Government frontbench

is now in the FCDO - https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/foreign-commonwealth-development-office

How do you shift her in the article/page, can you help perform it?

Thank you

Condo951795 (talk) 01:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Condo951795, I think I've done what you're asking for here. If not, please let me know. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you however if you read the link again, she is as you edited under the FCDO. How do you create a new line in the FCDO table below Wendy Morton? Condo951795 (talk) 06:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Condo951795: Since you're using the desktop website, I think using the Visual Editor may be helpful for you when you want to edit these tables. After you click "edit", you can change to the Visual Editor by clicking the pencil icon at the top right. After that, if you click on Badenoch's row in the table, there should be an arrow at the left of the row. If you click that, you can move it below. Give it a try, and if you're still struggling, I'll carry the edit out.

I had thought Badenoch was a Minister of State in both the Foreign Office and Housing Ministry, given that she was listed as being "Minister of State at the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government, jointly with the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (Minister for Equalities)" at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ministerial-appointments-september-2021, but it's interesting that she's at a lower rank in a different department. Sdrqaz (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

A question

Hi Sdqraz
You tagged a page, B A F Shaheen College Kurmitola for speedy deletion as criteria G4. But this article isn't substantially identical to the deleted version, and any changes do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted. Because there are now 2 reliable sources. dhaka.gov.bd and baf.mil.bd is absolutely reliable source. Thanks. ➤ Tajwar – thesupermaN!^{【Click to Discuss】} 18:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

dhaka.gov.bd is the official website of Bangladesh's capital Dhaka and baf.mil.bd is the official website of Bangladesh Air Force. There are surely absolutely reliable source. I'm sure! Thanks ➤ Tajwar – thesupermaN!^{【Click to Discuss】} 18:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Tajwar, the appropriate course of action when a page that you created is deleted is to go to the deleting administrator (in this case Joe Roe) and discuss with them to see if the page can be undeleted so that the sources you added can be reviewed by the other participants in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B A F Shaheen College Kurmitola. You should not have recreated the article 78 minutes after it was deleted. While the sources you mention are reliable, they're not secondary or independent (the Air Force runs the academy, after all). For an organisation to be notable, it needs to have multiple secondary, independent reliable sources (for example newspapers) cover it in good detail. You can find more information on that at the guideline for organisations. Sdrqaz (talk) 20:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you Sdrqaz for helping me in my talk page! ➤ Tajwar – thesupermaN!^{【Click to Discuss】} 13:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Shadow docket

On 24 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Shadow docket, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Trump won 28 times more shadow docket requests per year than Bush and Obama? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shadow docket. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Shadow docket), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)