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* '''Keep''' but then, I am the author. First, let me say that the article is <i>absolutely</i> not [[WP:OR]] because every statement has been carefully sourced. The reason I started the article was that there was a nice version of it in Italian Wikipedia, and provided an overview of the museums and facts about them "as a whole", e.g. that there are many museums there, because the city was not attacked, even during WWII, and that the museums exist now because the Medici and the Savoy put their art there. Also the fact that the museums give rise to the [[Stendhal syndrome]] applies to them all, not each. And no one disputes that the article is [[notable]]. If [[Museums in Paris]] exists as a page, why not the museums in Florence? Hence the [[WP:NOTGUIDE]] does not apply here, given that it uses Paris as the key example. It says that the price of café au lait, etc. should not be mentioned and this article does not do that. Is the "Museums in Paris" page a tour guide, or an essay? No. This article is also not a tour guide or an essay. And note that there is also [[List of museums in Paris]] so Wikipedia uses both types of articles on the same subject. And [[User:Salimfadhley]] who placed the essay tag before, and moved to draft agreed that the tag was not proper and the article is not an essay. There was no reason for me not to move it back. Overall, "much ado about nothing" regarding a notable topic, and a fully referenced article. It is just surprising what one has to do to help build an article on a notable topic, which is fully referenced. I will not get a dime if this article exists, but I had assumed that the users would have been helped by the article. [[User:Ode+Joy|Ode+Joy]] ([[User talk:Ode+Joy|talk]]) 08:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' but then, I am the author. First, let me say that the article is <i>absolutely</i> not [[WP:OR]] because every statement has been carefully sourced. The reason I started the article was that there was a nice version of it in Italian Wikipedia, and provided an overview of the museums and facts about them "as a whole", e.g. that there are many museums there, because the city was not attacked, even during WWII, and that the museums exist now because the Medici and the Savoy put their art there. Also the fact that the museums give rise to the [[Stendhal syndrome]] applies to them all, not each. And no one disputes that the article is [[notable]]. If [[Museums in Paris]] exists as a page, why not the museums in Florence? Hence the [[WP:NOTGUIDE]] does not apply here, given that it uses Paris as the key example. It says that the price of café au lait, etc. should not be mentioned and this article does not do that. Is the "Museums in Paris" page a tour guide, or an essay? No. This article is also not a tour guide or an essay. And note that there is also [[List of museums in Paris]] so Wikipedia uses both types of articles on the same subject. And [[User:Salimfadhley]] who placed the essay tag before, and moved to draft agreed that the tag was not proper and the article is not an essay. There was no reason for me not to move it back. Overall, "much ado about nothing" regarding a notable topic, and a fully referenced article. It is just surprising what one has to do to help build an article on a notable topic, which is fully referenced. I will not get a dime if this article exists, but I had assumed that the users would have been helped by the article. [[User:Ode+Joy|Ode+Joy]] ([[User talk:Ode+Joy|talk]]) 08:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:: '''comment''' - That's not an accurate assessment of what I thought about the article at the time. I'd appreciate it if you don't misrepresent me in these discussions. I did ask you not to move the draft back into the mainspace yourself, and trust the AFC/review process. It seems that you ignored this suggestion. Honestly, I think you can do better than this. --[[User:Salimfadhley|Salimfadhley]] ([[User talk:Salimfadhley|talk]]) 08:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:: '''comment''' - That's not an accurate assessment of what I thought about the article at the time. I'd appreciate it if you don't misrepresent me in these discussions. I did ask you not to move the draft back into the mainspace yourself, and trust the AFC/review process. It seems that you ignored this suggestion. Honestly, I think you can do better than this. --[[User:Salimfadhley|Salimfadhley]] ([[User talk:Salimfadhley|talk]]) 08:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
::* If I wanted to misrepresent you, I would not have pinged you! What I meant to was [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JBchrch&diff=next&oldid=1048115580 this] and then [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JBchrch&diff=next&oldid=1048419906 the tag comment]. You did "suggest" not to move back, but that was a suggestion, and did not refer to a policy. As a confirmed user, I did not have to go through review. That is the whole point of being a autoconfirmed user. I breached no policy, and dis not misrepresent you when I said that you agreed the tag could be removed. [[User:Ode+Joy|Ode+Joy]] ([[User talk:Ode+Joy|talk]]) 08:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
::* If I wanted to misrepresent you, I would not have pinged you! What I meant to was
[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JBchrch&diff=next&oldid=1048115580 this] and then [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JBchrch&diff=next&oldid=1048419906 the tag comment]. You did "suggest" not to move back, but that was a suggestion, and did not refer to a policy. As a confirmed user, I did not have to go through review. That is the whole point of being a autoconfirmed user.

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An unnecessary essay-like article, very much a tour guide, likely WP:OR. The museums have their own articles, or individual articles can be created where they do not. See WP:NOTGUIDE. This has been moved to draft once already. Unilaterally moving it back would be move warring, so I have brought it here for discussion FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 07:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 07:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 07:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but then, I am the author. First, let me say that the article is absolutely not WP:OR because every statement has been carefully sourced. The reason I started the article was that there was a nice version of it in Italian Wikipedia, and provided an overview of the museums and facts about them "as a whole", e.g. that there are many museums there, because the city was not attacked, even during WWII, and that the museums exist now because the Medici and the Savoy put their art there. Also the fact that the museums give rise to the Stendhal syndrome applies to them all, not each. And no one disputes that the article is notable. If Museums in Paris exists as a page, why not the museums in Florence? Hence the WP:NOTGUIDE does not apply here, given that it uses Paris as the key example. It says that the price of café au lait, etc. should not be mentioned and this article does not do that. Is the "Museums in Paris" page a tour guide, or an essay? No. This article is also not a tour guide or an essay. And note that there is also List of museums in Paris so Wikipedia uses both types of articles on the same subject. And User:Salimfadhley who placed the essay tag before, and moved to draft agreed that the tag was not proper and the article is not an essay. There was no reason for me not to move it back. Overall, "much ado about nothing" regarding a notable topic, and a fully referenced article. It is just surprising what one has to do to help build an article on a notable topic, which is fully referenced. I will not get a dime if this article exists, but I had assumed that the users would have been helped by the article. Ode+Joy (talk) 08:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
comment - That's not an accurate assessment of what I thought about the article at the time. I'd appreciate it if you don't misrepresent me in these discussions. I did ask you not to move the draft back into the mainspace yourself, and trust the AFC/review process. It seems that you ignored this suggestion. Honestly, I think you can do better than this. --Salimfadhley (talk) 08:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I wanted to misrepresent you, I would not have pinged you! What I meant to was this and then the tag comment. You did "suggest" not to move back, but that was a suggestion, and did not refer to a policy. As a confirmed user, I did not have to go through review. That is the whole point of being a autoconfirmed user. I breached no policy, and dis not misrepresent you when I said that you agreed the tag could be removed. Ode+Joy (talk) 08:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]