Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Php2000

Php2000

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14 October 2021

– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.

Suspected sockpuppets

• Cristodelosgitanos (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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I wouldn't have noticed this if it wasn't for this edit. It is an unmarked revert of this edit whose edit summary reads: "This article suffered from several misleading edits from different (now blocked) sockpuppet accounts to the point that it lost its NPOV and became mostly supported by a single source that was quoted repeatedly. Rewritten it trying to preserve additions that were made by other editors and trying to present a more neutral POV." Considering that Cristo removed the same amount of content it means that a) they read the comment and deliberately ignored it merely saying "mass deletion of sources" or b) they removed the same exact amount of content when they edited the page. The coincidences with PHP and Huasteco are non-trivial [1]. For example, all the accounts tend to say that others are "POV-pushing", including this and this. As I'm writing this, Cristo inadvertently left the following message: Do their findings hurt "Aztec" sensibilities? when talking about the Day of the Dead; Huasteca said "presumably due to a sense of hurt pride or unfulfilled desire for revenge" when talking about Astra-Zeneca. No one's pride is hurt. This is pure sockpuppetry. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok this is actually funny. If my grand total of 5 edits on two articles one article of overlap with these users you accuse me of being a sockpuppet of, how does it compare with the majority (well over 60%) of User:Alan_MBs 239 edits being on 39 articles being also edited by tou, User:Tbhotch?[2] You used a sockpuppet to blank an article and maliciously initiated a sockpuppet investigation against the person who reverted your edit and engaged with you on talk page. If anything merits an immediate ban, its this. Cristodelosgitanos (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Did you even try to understand that link? "15 years", "14 years", and the content of the edits don't even match.[3] And this doesn't make any sense. According to you, I'm the main account, I who joined in 2009, and Alan in 2004. Can you explain "my" weird edit pattern [4][5]? And if so, why I didn't log in as Alan and re-reverted your edit? (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• After Cristo opened my SPI, they accidentally left another clue. According to Cristo, and I'm not outing them, Cristo is from Spain, a Spanish-language country. Cristo said and quote "massive blanking of sources of the article Dia de Muertos". Absolutely no one in Spain will forget to accent the word "Día", it is one of the most common words in our language, and the lack of accentation is impossible, unless "[I] don't have them in my keyboard", as Huasteca did say. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Bravo, Poirot! The accents!Cristodelosgitanos (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Still no denying nor defending yourself, just like Huasteca did. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

But you know what else Huasteca said: "Attempting to get a user blocked because you disagree with their edits and have decided to aggressively edit war", and you just said: "Upon being reverted, the article was immediately and aggressively reverted by Tbhotch". What's wikt:aggressive in both instances? Where's the aggression? I mean, I can continue looking for phrases and words you both have said, those that start with "everyone is POV-pushing but me". (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Oi! A little far-fetched, don't you think, bruv? --Cristodelosgitanos (talk) 19:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Considering my high percentage of caught sockpuppets, no. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Regardless, it is beyond question that User:Tbhotch is currently maliciously using sockpuppet User:Alan_MB, his former account which he is using as a strategy for canvassing. The behavioral evidence is absolute. The sockpuppet investigation can be found here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tbhotch.--Cristodelosgitanos (talk) 20:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

The fact that you don't even try to defend yourself and try to deflect the attention somewhere else makes things worse. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

As I said, an account with a 60% overlap with articles you edited distributed over 39 articles which has been dormant for 5 years. Suddenly, out of the blue, it makes a single mass deletion of sources in an article User:Tbhotch has been edit warring on for the past year, then becomes inactive. When someone reverts Alan's edit, tbhotch instantly reverts it and attempts to initiate a weakly supported pre-emptive sockpuppet investigation to avoid discussion on talk. Statistically, with the 60% overlap being distributed over so many articles, the likelihood of User:Alan_MB not being the resurrected dormant account of User:Tbhotch is close to zero, if not zero, rendering a checkuser irrelevant. Both accounts edit shared edits of rather obscure articles. Worthy of note is Nacaulpan (3 edits by tbhotch and 10 by Alan_MB). This is one of 2446 municipalities in Mexico, a relatively unknown satellite town of Mexico city with a population which is less than 0.7% of the total of the country. If this 60% of overlap was concentrated in a few articles with high user traffic, I would give you the benefit of the doubt - I don't initiate sockpuppet investigations on a whim. Its technically its impossible for Alan not be a sockpuppet of tbhotch. Its just plain math. Cristodelosgitanos (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Mucho texto. A simpler "I am Php and I can't defend myself" is enough. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 22:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't need to defend myself from an active sockpuppeteer who is accusing me of ommitting Spanish accentuation when writing in English (?!) and using the word "aggressive". It doesn't deserve a response. Cristodelosgitanos (talk) 14:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

•  In progress - ~TNT (she/her • talk) 11:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
•  Stale for comparison,  No sleepers immediately visible ~TNT (she/her • talk) 12:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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