Talk:Gustave Flourens

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there are three pictures of him here:

http://www.library.northwestern.edu/spec/siege/images/PAR01145.JPG http://www.library.northwestern.edu/spec/siege/images/PAR00415.JPG http://www.library.northwestern.edu/spec/siege/images/PAR01016.JPG

Wikipedia in French says he was disarmed and then executed -- not that he died in hand-to-hand combat.

French Wikipedia says, without quoting sources, that:

Partisan de la désastreuse offensive des communards contre Versailles il est tué le 3 avril 1871 à Rueil alors qu'il était désarmé par le capitaine de gendarmerie Desmarets, futur juge de paix à la Garnache en Vendée et protégé du comte de Baudry d'Asson.

In other words, it does not say that he was disarmed and then executed, but that he died when he was being desarmed by Desmarets. Lacking any sources in the immediate moment concerning this, I note that the two versions do not contradict themselves as you say they do, they rather give two different accounts of the same death. I can easily imagine that Desmarets attempted to disarm Flourens, and that because of expected refusal of the latter, this ended up in a fight in which Flourens died. Tazmaniacs

The French is not of the clearest, but it says (to me) that at the moment when he was killed by Desmarets he had already been disarmed. Andrew Dalby 19:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Which Belleville? Which Italian newspaper?

Can someone more familiar with this subject please look at Belleville, then choose the correct one to disambiguate the reference in the article. Thanks. Mindmatrix 17:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I've done that. In return, can anyone confirm or correct this Italian newspaper title Fe polo d'Italia? Andrew Dalby 18:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Flourens, Verne and Nemo

I recently added a link to four separate articles, i.e. "Gustave Flourens", "Jules Verne", "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea" and "Captain Nemo". Next day all links were removed by Mr McSly, accompagned by the following comment: "Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used as a platform for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags,external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. McSly (talk) 14:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)" This is the first time I ever contributed to Wikipedia and I am sorry that my act was misinterpreted. This is not about enriching Wikipedia's "collection of links" and certainly not an attempt for "advertising" or "promotion". I am an academic with a long career and dozens of publications and I am certainly not looking for "advertising" one of my minor articles, six years old. This is what really is about: The most important Vernian specialist of our time, Dr William Butcher, made an assuption that Jules Verne's most famous character, Captain Nemo, is based on the French revolutionary intellectual Gustave Flourens. I found it very interesting and, since I am maybe the only person that studied Flourens's life in depth (Léonidas Kallivretakis, Gustave Flourens (1838-1871) et la Grèce, doctoral thesis,Université de la Sorbonne, Paris 1983; published also in Greek, Athens 1998), I investigated this hypothesis, and the result of that investigation is an article published in The Historical Revue / La Revue Historique, an academic refereed journal. Since this article a) gives an original detailed account of Verne's inspiration and writing procedures regarding "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea"; b) rises the question of the various historical personalities that possibly inspired Captain Nemo's character, and c) records for the first time a lot of unknown data regarding Flourens' stormy life and political ideas, I thought it usefull to get it linked to the above mentionned Wikipedia articles. This and only this was the reason I proposed the link: Leonidas Kallivretakis, “Jules Verne’s Captain Nemo and French Revolutionary Gustave Flourens: A Hidden Character Model?”, The Historical Review 1 (2004), p. 207-244. http://www.historicalreview.org/index.php/historicalReview/article/view/177/73

Yours truly,LEONKALL (talk) 22:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)User:LEONKALL

I'm not an expert on this, but I would suggest that a link to a paper which introduces a new theory about the subject requires some text in the article explaining why the link is relevant - in this case, probably a brief statement of the argument in the paper. However, since you are the author of the paper, there would be a risk of conflict of interest if you were to insert the information yourself. What I would suggest is that you draft something to go in the article - perhaps just a sentence introducing the link - and post it here on the talk page. Then other editors can decide whether or not it is appropriate for the article. --ColinFine (talk) 08:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I thank ColinFine for the suggestion. Sounds reasonable. Therefore, here is the sentence I propose:

"There has been suggested that Jules Verne's most famous character, Captain Nemo, is based on Gustave Flourens [1], but this assumption is contested by others [2]."

[1] William Butcher, "Introduction" in Jules Verne, Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea, Oxford: University Press (1998, revised edition 2001), p. xvii; Jules Verne, The Mysterious Island, tr. Sidney Kravitz, ed. Arthur B. Evans, intr., critical material, notes William Butcher, Middletown, Conn.: Wesleyan University Press (2001), note 139.

[2] Leonidas Kallivretakis, “Jules Verne’s Captain Nemo and French Revolutionary Gustave Flourens: A Hidden Character Model?”, The Historical Review 1 (2004), p. 207-244 [ http://www.historicalreview.org/index.php/historicalReview/article/view/177/73 ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by LEONKALL (talk • contribs) 11:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Added. Have a look. --ColinFine (talk) 08:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Added. It's fine. Thank you very much. --LEONKALL —Preceding undated comment added 19:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC).