Talk:Physical force Irish republicanism

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Request merger

This phrase is a neologism, which has barely been used until recently. When it has been used, it seems most often used by Republicans themselves, and it appears to be propagandist in nature - softening the reality of limbs being blown off bomb victims and execution-style bullets shot through the back of victims' heads.

Google Ngram suggests a slight peek in usage in the mid-1990s in publications before the end of the last century.

I propose a merger with Irish Republicanism and also with Political violence. --24.182.92.247 (talk) 02:20, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm a Nationalist and agree wholeheartedly, the entire article is rife with biased opinion rather than facts, and reads wholly like propaganda, with even the designation "Physical force Irish republicanism" feeling rather euphemistic. I frankly wouldn't even know where to begin on getting this entire entry up to normal Wikipedia standards. ––204.83.127.135 (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Simplify language?

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I had difficulties understanding the following paragraph, and only that paragraph:

The Catholic church was integral element towards establishing a national identity for irishness. But the church remained pacific; priests abhorred physical force, eschewed its happening, shunned the company of the 'men of violence'. Attempts by the church leaders to reconcile the challenge to its spiritual dominance in a New Ireland, with accommodation of the long struggle of many of its parishioners for freedom aced as a condign judgement. Condemnatory declarations exacerbated contradictory messages to the population driving the movement underground. That the IRB was founded in the United States of America provoked legitimatism to counteract the universality of non-violent Christendom. This was doctrinaire, secretive, as befitted its extreme physicality.

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Renaming this to something less oblique

This article started in 2005 with the lede

Physical force Irish republicanism is a term used by historians in Ireland to describe the recurring appearance of non-parliamentary violent insurrection in Ireland between 1798 and the present.

… which is perfectly reasonable scope for the title, but has since grown to cover not just the use of the term by historians but the wider use of violence, including an implicit claim that this neologism is the normal term used to describe political violence in the cause of Irish republicanism.

(Also this is understandably linked from multiple places to talk about the impact of this violence outwith the island of Ireland, which is discounted in the way the topic is framed in the current lede, and violence by people opposed to republicanism; I note there's no article about violence in unionism, and it's simply covered in Unionism in Ireland.)

I propose that we re-name the article to something that is clearer and covers; some possibilities:

• Political violence in Ireland
  • … but this feels like it skips violence carried out in Great Britain or elsewhere.
• Violence in Irish republicanism
  • … but this risks making it seem like all republicanism is violent.
• Violence in the name of Irish republicanism
  • … which is slightly odd wording.
• Violence in Irish politics
  • … which would expand the scope to cover violence on all sides (and perhaps thus would expand to cover state acts as well?); possibly too broad.

Do others have thoughts? James F. (talk) 00:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)