Talk:Jörmungandr

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Trivia section

I said in an edit summary that the trivia section was getting out of hand and removed the random collection of references found there. They are back, with the edit summary Says you; most pop culture pages list and all their examples until they warrant their own article. Please read WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. A bullet point list of random references can never warrant a wikipedia article. Also, the section as it now stands does not comply with basic style guidelines which mandate that we write our articles as coherent text. Stefán 17:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Is that so? What would you say to this page, that came as a product of this very same argument over another figure from myth? Furthermore, of course this isn't indiscriminate; just because you were never aware of all these references doesn't mean they're suddenly "random". By half-assing the section with some sentance that says, 'there's stuff in animé and comics, 'n junk', you're cheating others out of knowing just how the name is used, and purhaps, why. Virtually all the pop culture sections in wiki do this so nobody is left in the dark - something an encyclopedia should never do. -Biokinetica 19:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure we can agree on something. We have the article Norse mythology in popular culture, how about we keep all the general references there and only have those here that single out Jörmungandr? Stefán 21:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I've solved your problem with the creation of Jörmungandr in popular culture. Most subjects relating to Norse lore have led to the creation of such a page. :bloodofox: 00:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

• Although I think I can live with that page, I'm not sure if there are enough references to warrant a seperate one (refer to Lilith's pop culture page). But a lot of them are missing, so i'll find and add those. -Biokinetica 05:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason these pages are created in the first place is because these references are constantly added to such articles. They constantly multiply. This seems to be the best way to deal with such references. :bloodofox: 05:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Name

What is the etymology of the name Jörmundgandr, really? I've never heard that name used outside of english. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 12:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

According to Haukurth (talk · contribs), "[i]t means great staff. The Norse word Miðgarðsormr is used in the Prose Edda but Jörmungandr is used in the older Poetic Edda." (from archived talk page). –Holt T•C 21:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't "Midgard Serpent" be one of the names in bold? It's a much more recognizable title than the last few names, and the first mention of it in Thor's article is as The Midgard Serpent. I've never heard an English speaker refer to it as "Midgarsormen" (Which I assume means Midgard Serpent) or the World Serpent.66.167.234.246 (talk) 21:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

End of the world?

I have not been able to find a reference for this comment: "When he [the serpent] lets go the world will end". I know Ragnarok coincides with the serpent spewing poison and the wolf doing its thing etc. But this article implies that the end of the world is brought on by the serpent letting go if its tale. Is that so, and can we have a reference for this? Thanks. Tanyushka (talk) 01:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Gotterdamerung, or Ragnarok, is stated elswhere as beginning because of Loki's escape from bondage and subsequent rallying of Hel's forces and both groups of giants. Jormungander participates by causing floods, possibly from rapid surfacing (this would be just after letting go of his tail). However, there is a story of Jormungander surfacing before gotterdamerung - Thor goes fishing for him. 69.228.147.231 (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible that Jormungand's swallowing of his own tail occurred AFTER the fishing incident where he ate the ox head? Perhaps he was not fully grown at that point? Ranze (talk) 21:30, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Etymology

If anyone could add the etymology of the name Jörmungandr to the article, it would be most appreciated.209.2.214.97 (talk) 18:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it just means "strong monster", or "tall monster". Jormun means strong, or tall. And "gandr" probably means monster, because Fenrir is alternatively called Vanagandr, which means "monster of the river Van".178.201.14.173 (talk) 20:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Jörmun- is a prefix used for denoting something vast or superhuman. Gandr is the masculine noun meaning "magical staff" but sometimes just something long and slender in general. Thus, Jörmungandr somewhat means "Massive slender thing". Ásmóðr Vánagandsson (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The Etymology is wrong in the article right now saying that it means huge monster. "Gandr" means magical staff, staff, or just something long and slender (this same gandr is where gand-alf comes from btw). I don't know how to edit articles properly but here is a reference for the etymology if someone wants to fix it http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jormungand

Gandr doesn't mean long and thin, it is used to describe anything magical and can therefore also be used to describe spirits, fantastic beasts and monsters. <Richard Cleasby, Gudbrand Vigfusson: An Icelandic-English Dictionary (1874)> <Leiv Heggstad, Finn Hødnebø og Erik Simensen: Norrøn Ordbok (1997)>

Jormungandr may be partially cognate with the Persian/Avestan GandareBa (Middle Persian -Gandarw), which is cognate with the Sanskrit Gandharva but with slightly a different meaning. In Avestan and Persian it refers to a great sea or water monster which bound beneath the sea by the hero Keraspa (Kirsap), who eventually kills it. In the Rig Veda it refers to a great monster associated with the heavenly waters, who is guardian of the sun, moon and Soma. This monster Div is pierced by Indra. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garshasp><http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/gandareba->

Jörmungandr in DuckTales (2017)

Jörmungandr appeared in an episode of DuckTales (2017). Should I add this to the article? CoolSwitch4212 (talk) 19:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Unless the Ducktales reboot version of Jörmungandr as a snake-headed wrestler is affecting public perception of Jörmungandr or has a crucial role in the series or season's overarching plot, I doubt that a "monster of the week" situation is noteworthy enough to bother mentioning.--Mr Fink (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2020 (UTC)