User talk:Kinu/Archive 18

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JohnGotten

177.17.21.86 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) after your blocked them, they edited under a new IP from the same range.--Maleschreiber (talk) 03:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm not 100% available right now, so pinging Drmies who handled the original block on that IP yesterday and who might have some better insight on a potential rangeblock. --Kinu ^t/_c 04:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Well that was fun. Drmies (talk) 15:16, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Much appreciated. --Kinu ^t/_c 17:00, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Michael of Zahumlje

I don't know whether or not that IP was evading a block, but it looks like what they were saying was correct. It looks like that article was nominated by User:Wustefuchs in 2011, then reviewed exactly one time by the user who nominated it, then the tag was added to the page without it being properly closed. So I don't actually know why the tag is on there. If there is new information or something I have missed?

Also, may I ask how you concluded that IP is evading a block? I'm definitely not saying you are wrong- I myself am frequently the target of people acting like sockpuppets are legitimate editors, even now someone wrote this bogus warning for "edit warring" (not really) and refused to admit the other IP was evading a block. However, I took a look at the edits and don't see any evidence of it myself. If this is a previous pattern or if there is a particular LTA I'm not aware of, if you could link me the page that'd be great. Thanks. Naleksuh (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

It's an LTA. See the above thread. To be fair, my actions here are purely procedural related to the LTA/block evasion, so if a set of legitimate editors such as yourself would like to discuss the validity of the GA nomination, feel free to do so on the talk page. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Removal of Edits on Deb Schultes

Hello @Kinu,

You had removed my edits on Deb Schultes account. You unfortunetly reverted them to outdated information. I historically created substantial updates to the template of "Headings" for this biography and was adding onto it to ensure it was up to date. I have utilized the same format for many biographies. Canadian political biographies include past involvement in other levels of government and careers preceding politics, this is not uncommon and important information. I also cited directly to government sources and biographies published about the living person. The only POV issue I could reasonably see is comments about her activism that were published and I cited to. It is a fact that women in politics are an under-represented group. If she is publicly described as someone who broke glass ceilings in a male dominated career, I feel comfortable including it in her biography as the source was reliable. Please let me know if I can kindly revert your edit now? Thank you. (talk) 06:39, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Kinu, I have not heard back from you. I will be respectfully undo the reversion as the information still published it outdated and incorrect. This individual does not hold that role anymore. (talk) 04:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sigma58:: I apologize for not being able to respond sooner. Rather than reverting to the previous version you created, I recommend making the edits piecemeal with clear edit summaries. On balance, updates that are sourced are likely fine, but given the concerns raised about your editing to (and removal of content from) Michael Chan (Canadian politician), I would stick to editing that clearly falls within WP:NPOV and isn't WP:SYNTHESIS. Also, please ensure that your edits adhere to the Manual of Style. For example, your repeated insertion of the honorific "the Honourable" in the text, along with the repeated use of the subject's full name, contravenes MOS:HONORIFIC and MOS:SURNAME. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:57, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kinu Thank you so much for getting back to me! No I apologize. I decided to wait and not change anything out of respect for you. I really appreciate you taking the time to guide me. I completely agree I should do piecemeal edits, I tried to do that a bit more today if you noticed. I used to think I had to edit everything at the same time to prevent spamming the history column. If it looked like I was deleting content, I apologize. I was just rearranging the content and trying to format it in chronological order. I also noticed that I incorrectly may have tried to synthesize his Ministry portfolio years ago. I realized they are completely different. Here in Canada, every time you are sworn in, you get a new mandate with different work, even if the title seems the same. I wanted to outline all the work done under each Mandate. So I apologize if it looks redundant if I go back and do that eventually.

I have some further questions based on what you shared above.

1) If I am just restating what the politician has self-published (specifically their government bios, political pages and government pages), would that contravene WP:NPOC and WP:SYNTHESIS? Or if I cite to a website that re-published a bio that was provided by the living person directly?

2) My concerns surrounding the Michael Chan page seem to have been noticed by others. I saw how they have been editing it and it is already better. Prior to my edit, the biography on Wiki was not written by a WP:NPOV at all and synthesized in a very libelous way. Also, I was interested in working on this bio specifically because a newspaper (The Globe and Mail) was sued for stating defamatory messages that even The Premier of Ontario at the time also said they were untrue condemned. A Premier is a strong authority and equivalent to the "Prime Minister" of a specific Province. For this reason, is there some way to prevent articles from that newspaper source from citing to his Wiki? A part of the lawsuit was that Globe and Mail would recycle its allegations by building it into their new story's. Is that an appropriate remedy and the talk page explains that newspaper is banned for that specific reason? Or what is the better way to protect this profile?

- I apologize again for being so alarmed by the reversion the account "Amigao". It just seemed so odd that he would even undo the profile picture. https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/kg67e1/this_user_systemically_rewrites_wikipedia_china/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body I found a reddit page that discussed the activities of that account. This recent reddit page states that "Amigao systemically rewrites the Wikipedia pages of Asian politicians and organizations to say that they are Chinese spies." I am concerned that these allegations have merit as they are substantiated by examples of edits prior to and after Amigao. What alarmed me was that the Michael Chan bio was listed as one of the targeted accounts. This is consistent with the libel that was published by Globe and Mail. It seems like instead of having a balanced biography on this individual, they intended to remove anything that objectively identifies his role.

3) Deb Schulte - she is no longer a Minister. She was defeated in the last election. I would really like to update her bio accordingly. Prior to doing anything though I will read about a) the manual style of edits, b) Mos:Honorific and MOS:surname

4) Official Portraits - In Canada we do not have copyright in the same way USA does for political images. How can I upload the official headshots of politician without being flagged for copyright? What if it is published publicly on their public Facebook page and they do not give information about who took the photo? None of the options seem applicable to me, unless I literally private message these politicians on social media and ask for consent. There has to be a better way to do this applicable to Canada.

Thank you so much again! I will patiently await your response. (talk) 06:31, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, please note that section headings should be sentence case, per MOS:SECTIONS. As I was refreshing my memory on this matter, I happened to click on your latest edit to Maryam Monsef, and have made that (minor) correction as well. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)