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Chaos, and Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros

This family tree puts Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros as children of Chaos. However, Theoi.com (which I know isn't a reliable source) (see "Family of Khaos" section) says that: "According to Hesiod's Theogony, Gaia, Tartaros and Eros came into being after Khaos. This passage is sometimes misread, making them her offspring." (Also, see the Theoi.com family tree of the Theogony, which puts Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros as being born independently of Chaos.)

The original passage from Hesiod is this: "First Chaos came to be, but next... Earth... and dim Tartarus in the depth of the... Earth, and Eros..." ^[1]

The passage itself is ambiguous, and can be interpreted either way.

The "Origins of the world and the gods" section in the Greek Mythology page says that: "Out of the void [Chaos] emerged Gaia (the Earth) and some other primary divine beings: Eros (Love), the Abyss (the Tartarus)..." The Greek primordial deities page avoids the problem by simply presenting the quote from the Theogony.

Should the chart on this page be changed so that Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros are born independently of Chaos, or should it stay how it is? Dave12121212 (talk) 01:28, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Theogony, 116

Theogony#The first gods also has Gaia, Tartarus and Eros as arising independently of Chaos. The table has this citation: Theogony 116–132; Caldwell, p. 5, table 3; Hard, p. 694; Gantz, p. xxvi. Gantz can be found here; if you scroll all the way down to page 804, you can see that Gaia, Tartarus and Eros are not put as children of Chaos. Dave12121212 (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This talk page just seems to be me talking to myself, but if this suffices, then I think the family tree should be changed so that Gaia, Tartarus and Eros are not children of Chaos. Dave12121212 (talk) 09:35, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should just go ahead and change it.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:12, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I will. This is a point which is the cause of frequent argumentation, though, so I wanted to get the opinion of at least one other person before changing the chart. Plus, this matter was brought up many years ago in 2012, and it was decided to not change it. — Dave12121212 ◎ 02:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that Caldwell, Hard, and Gantz's views represent the current scholarly consensus, so I think those sources's charts are sufficient to justify drawing ours that way as well. Paul August ☎ 13:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. I've changed the chart now. — Dave12121212 ◎ 03:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Theogony, 116

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-: I've changed the Hesperides to children of Nyx in the chart, as that is the version given by Hesiod; I've added a footnote explaining the alternative parentages. [[User:Dave12121212|Dave12121212]] ([[User talk:Dave12121212|talk]]) 09:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 == Chaos, and Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros ==