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The article mentioned as second citation for the pseudoscientific is still debatable.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8519.2012.01950.x . There are many articles which says homoeopathy needs further research. [[User:Pream electronics|Pream electronics]] ([[User talk:Pream electronics|talk]]) 15:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC) |
The article mentioned as second citation for the pseudoscientific is still debatable.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8519.2012.01950.x . There are many articles which says homoeopathy needs further research. [[User:Pream electronics|Pream electronics]] ([[User talk:Pream electronics|talk]]) 15:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Please read the FAQ located at the top of this page. -- [[User:McSly|McSly]] ([[User talk:McSly|talk]]) 15:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC) |
:Please read the FAQ located at the top of this page. -- [[User:McSly|McSly]] ([[User talk:McSly|talk]]) 15:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::Not matter how many sources one would cite supporting the notion that homeopathy is not pseudoscience, the decision has been alsready made by the activistists who control this article.. ( and ..Im not a .....republican or climate change denier by the way) --[[User:Jay1938|Jay1938]] ([[User talk:Jay1938|talk]]) 15:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC) |
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A1: Yes. Material critical of homeopathy must be included in the article. The articles on Wikipedia include information from all significant points of view. This is summarized in the policy pages which can be accessed from the Neutral point of view policy. This article strives to conform to Wikipedia policies, which dictate that a substantial fraction of articles in fringe areas be devoted to mainstream views of those topics. Q2: Should material critical of homeopathy be in the lead? (Yes.)
A2: Yes. Material critical of homeopathy belongs in the lead section. The lead must contain a summary of all the material in the article, including the critical material. This is described further in the Lead section guideline. Q3: Is the negative material in the article NPOV? (Yes.)
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A4: Yes. Homeopathy is described as a fringe medical system in sources reliable to make the distinction.[1] This is defined by the Fringe theories guideline, which explains: We use the term fringe theory in a very broad sense to describe ideas that depart significantly from the prevailing or mainstream view in its particular field of study.
Since the collective weight of peer-reviewed studies does not support the efficacy of homeopathy, it departs significantly enough from the mainstream view of science to be considered a fringe theory. Q5: Should studies that show that homeopathy does not work go into the article? (Yes.)
A5: Yes. Studies that show that homeopathy does not work are part of a full treatment of the topic and should go into the article. Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs. Non-experts have suggested that all the studies that show homeopathy does not work are faulty studies and are biased, but this has not been borne out by the mainstream scientific community. Q6: Should another article called "Criticism of homeopathy" be created? (No.)
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The term pseudoscience has to be removed. Just because the investigations have not been done as in Allopathy, it cannot be called as a pseudoscience. Joecheriross (talk) 17:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:01, 2 November 2021 (UTC)- Homeopathy is absolutely pseudoscience. This is well-established so we cannot grant your request. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- This will not happen. The investigations have been done, again and again and again, and it is all referenced in the article. It is one of the prime examples of pseudoscience. VdSV9•♫ 13:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Homeopathy is absolutely pseudoscience. This is well-established so we cannot grant your request. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The article mentioned as second citation for the pseudoscientific is still debatable.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8519.2012.01950.x . There are many articles which says homoeopathy needs further research. Pream electronics (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the FAQ located at the top of this page. -- McSly (talk) 15:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not matter how many sources one would cite supporting the notion that homeopathy is not pseudoscience, the decision has been alsready made by the activistists who control this article.. ( and ..Im not a .....republican or climate change denier by the way) --Jay1938 (talk) 15:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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Yes change PSEUDOSCIENCE to NANO MEDICINE
https://highdilution.org/index.php/ijhdr/article/view/764/803 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23277079/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3539158/ https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Nano-Pharmacological-Aspect-of-Homeopathic-Drugs-A-Rajendran/c32d4beb0f74f4a235a38770582e12edc7803ce4 https://www.thieme-connect.de/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-0038-1669988 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15139095/ https://www.journalijdr.com/homeopathy-nanomedicine–-identification-and-characterization-nps-hypericumperforatum-6c-30c-200c-1m Christoaa (talk) 07:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- No. your sources do not support such a change. Roxy the dog. wooF 07:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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template. Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:39, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- There is no possibility whatsoever of any 'consensus' for such a change, based on the sources cited: see WP:MEDRS. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
*Pseudoscience* term is misleading in the light of evidence pool
There is no dearth of evidence in favour of Homeopathy today. There could be shortcoming in this medical system, but a host of basic and clinical trials have come out in its favour. Let's have a look here, for example: https://www.ccrhindia.nic.in//admnis/admin/showimg.aspx?ID=15844. The book is a collection of scientific studies taken up for evaluating the effectiveness of Homoeopathy, and their outcomes.
By still calling it pseudoscience, we are also ignoring the fact that it is one of the leading alternative systems of medicine, and used in more than 80 countries, including much developed ones. This is reported by the world Health Organisation here: https://www.who.int/traditional-complementary-integrative-medicine/WhoGlobalReportOnTraditionalAndComplementaryMedicine2019.pdf?ua=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DocHK (talk • contribs) 14:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- See the FAQ at the top of this page. Cannolis (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- See WP:MEDRS for the type of source material necessary for this article. Your first source is a document from the 'Central Council for Research in Homeopathy', who clearly are going to claim it works. Actual science doesn't consist of assertions, and nor does it consist of compiling selective lists of 'research' for the purposes of confirming your own prior conclusions. As for the WHO report, it contains data on countries where homeopathy etc is practised. Which isn't a statement one way or another as to whether it has any scientific basis. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that the effectiveness of homeopathy is unproven, that claims made in terms of its supposed mechanisms are incompatible with elementary scientific knowledge, and that accordingly, claims made about it's efficacy are pseudoscientific. Accordingly, that is what this article is going to continue to say, unless and until scientific consensus changes. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- A document published by the Ministry of AYUSH is obviously not a reliable medical source (it's unsurprising that the claimed "clinical trials" are reported in the Indian Journal of Research in Homeopathy), and a report showing that it is used widely in 80 countries doesn't have any relevance to its efficacy, or in this case the lack of it. Black Kite (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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