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Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested Article

One of the requested articles had been done. I think that it need to be removed from the list. Wynn Liaw (talk) 01:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Article up for deletion

Please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stark's Test I.A Coaster. Thank you. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:17, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Infobox roller coaster discussion

There is a discussion taking place concerning the designer parameter on this page: Template talk:Infobox roller coaster. If you have anything to contribute, please add to the discussion.—JlACEer (talk) 20:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Bringing this thread back. For anyone interested in discussing possible changes to the Infobox roller coaster template, now's the time to weigh in. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:09, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Coordinates for defunct and relocated roller coasters

For anyone that's interested in weighing in, there's a discussion happening at Talk:Viper (Six Flags AstroWorld)#Coordinates that focuses on both the inclusion of coordinates and level of precision. --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Content dispute at Rock 'n' Roller Coaster

There are two discussions in which you may be interested in:

• Talk:Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith#Disneyland Paris replacement – Infobox content
• Talk:Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith#Hollywood Studios location description – Article content regarding coaster description

Thank you. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

All roller coaster infoboxes now have GPS coordinates

I've just finished clearing out the 128 article backlog at [1]. Leijurv (talk) 21:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

That's great news, thanks! --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Refurbishment Infobox

When a ride is under-going a massive refurbishment, say Pirates of the Caribbean in 2006, should someone classify it in the infobox as Closed, Operating, or Under Construction. The argument is currently going on in Spaceship Earth (Epcot) (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

(Oinkers42): The stance is that Wikipedia is not a travel or park guide, so the status in the infobox should represent a long-term outlook. It should not be affected by daily or weekly changes (or even monthly to some editors). For extended refurbishments, we would typically change it back to "Under construction". What classifies as "extended"? It's subjective, but a good case can be made for anything lasting more than a few months. For Spaceship Earth, it looks like the refurbishment was placed on hold indefinitely according to this source. So that kind of makes this a moot point for that specific article. --GoneIn60 (talk) 06:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Drop the Dip year closed

Drop the Dip has the category of Category:Amusement rides that closed in 2020 due to an error with the template, can someone fix it as I do not know how?(Oinkers42) (talk) 19:51, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

(Oinkers42): Think I got it fixed with this edit. There is an auto-categorization feature built into the roller coaster template that attempts to attach categories based on numerical entries. By inserting text, it switches that off, although I'm not sure why the "s" on the end of "1930s" didn't do that already.

Ahecht, any ideas why this is happening? --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@GoneIn60: The template assigns a year if {{#time}} thinks that the text is a valid date. {{#time}} interprets "1930s" as "1,930 seconds", and returns the year that is 1,930 seconds in the future (i.e. 2020). The best way to make it invalid is by inserting a <nowiki />, e.g. 1930<nowiki />s, which displays as 1930s. You can also disable all auto categorization from the infobox by setting |auto-cat=no. --Ahecht (TALK
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Great info, thanks! --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:22, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Should we include documentaries about theme parks?

These include Defunctland and The Imagineering Story. Do they count under this Wikiproject?(Oinkers42) (talk) 20:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Certainly they do because they're theme-park related. Check Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Assessment. Adog (Talk・Cont) 21:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

A bit unfortunate

Due to the circumstances that have forgone today, there are some articles that were moved around. I'm currently attempting to move some broken redirects back to their original format, but can someone explain where the article for Dragon Challenge -- Dueling Dragons went? Missing GA article...hoping that hasn't happened to other articles either. Adog (Talk・Cont) 02:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I would submit a request to fix those articles at WP:RMTR. Hopefully someone there can, or at least point you in the right direction. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

GoneIn60 Will do, thank you. Adog (Talk・Cont) 05:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Inverted Coaster article

Please weigh in at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inverted Coaster (B&M model). Thank you. --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:43, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Research inconsistencies

Hello everyone. While doing historical research for Python (Busch Gardens Tampa Bay), I've come across statistical inaccuracies between what newspapers reported during the announcement and opening of the roller coaster, and from what the Roller Coaster DataBase states within its information. What should be done in the event where reliable sources contradict each other? Should we fall back on what they said in the past, per RCDB, or incorporate both types of information into the article? Any advice would be of assistance, thanks Adog (Talk・Cont) 04:20, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

It's not uncommon for newspapers to round or approximate when they give statistics, and the further back in time you go, the more they did it. Newspaper articles released around the time of opening are typically considered primary sources and are more prone to error. RCDB is a secondary source and corrects itself over time. When the two conflict, I would tend to side with RCDB, at least when it comes to height, drop length, speed, or track length. List of roller coaster rankings is a featured list that banks on RCDB for most of its sourcing. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:21, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

A perfect example of what I'm talking about: Boys' Life June 1979. The article lists The Beast's speed at 70 mph, the length at 7400 ft, and the ride duration at 3:40. Virtually every secondary source from the past 2 decades has settled on 64.78 mph (or 65 mph), 7359 ft, and 4:10 respectively. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Perfect, I appreciate the help and context, very informative and will keep note. :) Adog (Talk・Cont) 14:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Opinion: Infoboxs for roller coaster and attractions

I recently edited the Pandemonium article, to condense the infobox to just include the general statistics of the roller coasters that share the same similarities. Just like it had been used for infoboxes of attractions such as SkyScreamer and Justice League: Battle for Metropolis. If there is support, then articles such as Batman: The Ride and The Joker (S&S Worldwide) can be edited with a shortened infobox. When removing each individual ride at each individual park in the infobox, it can then be listed in a section called "Installations," like it is with the Pandemonium, SkyScreamer, and Justice League: Battle for Metropolis. With this change it can have these articles across the industry that have multiple rides (of the same) in one article to have a better look. Right now, The Joker (S&S Worldwide) article has both a long infobox and a section called Installations, which is not needed. What are some opinions on this change? --Jpp858 (talk) 19:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I definitely like how the Pandemonium article looks now, and the proposal which can condense the content. It honestly is a clutter to have a long list that spans the entire article, or sometimes, go beyond the article's content. Adog (Talk・Cont) 19:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I tentatively agree with this. As I mentioned here, I try to keep this category empty: [2]; it had ~125 articles when I started. (at the same time, I don't want to step on people's toes if this isn't appreciated - if this is an inconvenience, I can stop doing it). There was also a discussion here. I did edit that Pandemonium page after noticing it was added back to the category: my edit was to add the coordinates of the pictured location. I wonder if there is some way to properly mark coasters with many installations as such, and not just a coaster with no location. I don't know how these automatic categories work, but maybe it could be edited to "Infobox roller coaster OR roller coaster installation tables without coordinates"? What do we think of what I did there; does it make sense to have the coords be inline for the pictured location? Should there be coordinates in the "installations of Pandemonium" table? (I can add this if so, just a copy/paste from the previous revision). I do think that the extra-long infobox isn't practical for coasters like that with many installations, and the table is better from a UI point of view. Leijurv (talk) 20:08, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the feedback. @Leijurv: I did see your edit on the Pandemonium page, and I believe the coordinates is probably misleading as the infobox is used currently as a general infobox about the similarities of the coaster (but I understand why you used the SFFT location due to the image). If there was a way to mention after or before the coordinates that that it is for the SFFT coaster (to inform the reader), that would probably be at best. But I believe something about individual facts about the individual coasters should be mentioned in the "Installations" section of the article. Would it just be another column in the table? or is there another creative way to put the coordinates in the section. --Jpp858 (talk) 03:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I put in (self-reverted) my idea of how it could be done: see here. This wouldn't be tracked by the Category that I follow, but it still keeps the information. After having made the edit, it looked sorta familiar: I suspect I've seen an article before with coordinates in a table like this, but I can't remember what was for the life of me. Separately to this, I don't know what the solution is to the infobox. :( I'd really hate if the Category was incorrectly filled up with coasters that really do have coordinates, but it's down in a separate table, leaving the infobox empty. Maybe somehow marking the pictured coaster as the "main" one - having the photo, location, and coords up in the title top bar of the article all line up, and additional installations in a table at the bottom? Not sure. Leijurv (talk) 07:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I do like the coordinates in the table. If the article needed coordinates for the page/or on top, I did something like this here, where I just used the first installation coordinates, similar to the first installation external link. But it would then send the article to that category group you had been watching. I did look up on Template:Coord for information and I did see that if you change inline to title, it then send the coordinates at the top of the article only. When I did that, there was then a blank section of the infobox where the coordinates would had been displayed, with the coordinates then at the top of the page. I then looked at this article and saw that the coordinates can put display as "none". I change the pandemonium article to none and it removed it, but then it still sent the page to the category. So I believe this is something that can be fixed here, but that is another animal to take on.--Jpp858 (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I have taken on the animal, and lived to tell the tale! I've added a new parameter called nomissingcoordscategory that does nothing visually, but prevents it from being added to the category. Here is the edit, and here it is applied to Pandemonium. =D Leijurv (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey, I appreciate you going through the effort in figuring it out. I guess since the coordinates are off the infobox now, but if they need to be displayed, then adding them to the table should solve that. Other than that, thanks.--Jpp858 (talk) 13:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

So I took the initiative to reduce the infobox of Batman: The Ride, per this edit here and I added an Installations section to list the parks that had either had the ride or still currently (just like many other coaster or ride articles mentioned above in this talk page). In the edit, I added the "nomissingcoordscategory" in the infobox, which was an update done by @Leijurv: to allow the coordinates from going to this category. There is no need to mention the Batman coaster at Parque Warner Madrid, as that coaster has its own article here. I moved the "Backward Operations" section to be apart in the history section. The "Backward Operations" section was basically a timeline of the coaster going backwards, that would a best fit in the history section and maybe can be elaborated more about the change of operations. Lastly, I added a note list due to the installation table and a external link section for the article to have a main link to the original ride at Six Flags Great America.

Nice! You may want to update Template:Infobox_roller_coaster#Additional_locations because it uses Batman: The Ride as the poster child for the gargantuan infobox method haha Leijurv (talk) 22:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Did I correctly edit these coordinates?

I am wondering if I have correctly edited the coordinates on these pages that were on the list of pages without coordinates. If so I will go through and try and fix up as many more as I can.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_Kids_World
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixar_Pier_and_Paradise_Gardens_Park
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buena_Vista_Street

I took already existing coordinates in the infobox and moved them to "Park Coordinates" with the suggested formatting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Technodisney (talk • contribs) 04:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I just realised it needs the themed area infobox. Will try and fix for the three. Technodisney (talk) 04:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

What to do with theme park?

Hi gang; there's a relevant discussion at Talk:Amusement park#Theme park article/redirect. I'd greatly appreciate the input of this project's editors. Powers ^T 17:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Designer parameter

Just an FYI I modified the description for the parameter field for {{infobox roller coaster}}: diff. Wanted to clarify that the designer field is meant to represent the entity or entities responsible for the engineering design. Some are using this field to list other kinds of entities, like those responsible for theme and other peripheral items unrelated to the ride's physics. Thought I'd mention it here in case anyone has issues with the change, thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 06:30, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Ferris Wheel

There is a discussion at Talk:Ferris Wheel#Requested move 26 April 2021 that might be of interest to members of this project. Station1 (talk) 04:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)