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The result was delete. The article being retained on dewp back in 2005 has absolutely no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. Daniel (talk) 23:37, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The article reads like a WP:SYNTHesis personal essay or survey discussion about the various contexts in which beer has sometimes been given away for free or sometimes has the word free in its brand name or colloquial name. This does not seem to be about a clearly identifiable and notable encyclopedic subject that reliable sources have extensively discussed. The cited sources generally do not extensively discourse on the subject of "free beer", but instead mention some instance of giving beer away for free within a discussion of some other topic. See also the recent discussion at Talk:Free (gratis) beer#Requested move 23 November 2021. Food has also been given away for free, but we don't have an article about free food. We also don't have an article about expensive beer or low-cost beer or moderately priced food or free whiskey or free vodka or free water or free books or free housing or free entertainment or free clothing or free Wi-Fi or cat killers in film. Why do we need an article about free beer? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:50, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom's reasoning. This does just seem like a collection of noteworthy times that beer was given away/advertised for free, along with a section for the Free Beer brand. It isn't a concept like free food as product samples or free education, it's just a specific product which people have given away at no cost sometimes. Waddles 🗩 🖉 20:16, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Also, if kept, the article title should be changed (I do see there is a discussion underway) because I initially thought from the title of the article it was going to refer to the phrase "Free as in free speech, not free as in free beer". It is mentioned, but only in a small section. snood1205^{(Say Hi! (talk))} 20:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For that, see Free as in free beer (a.k.a. Gratis versus libre). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Snood1205. Also had the same confusion. JoshuaZ (talk) 20:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete. I'd expect the administrator and veteran editor who created this page to know better. -Apocheir (talk) 22:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Under which criterion, I'm curious? Mistakes happen, and our notability guidelines aren't exactly objective. It's perfectly reasonable for any editor regardless of experience to have a different opinion about what is notable, which is what these discussions are for. ASUKITE 17:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While I do agree with delete, and questioned the notability at the start of the RM on that page, I do have to disagree with the notion that they should "know better", particularly as it has been translated from an article on the German Wikipedia, which from what I understand has generally high standards, though perhaps not to quite the same level as here. BilledMammal (talk) 22:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This is not an original creation but a translation of the German article de:Freibier which has managed to survive at the German Wikipedia for over twelve years without problems. JIP | Talk 23:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JIP: The non-English, simple English, and other Wikipedias tend to have lower quality standards/policy strictness and enforcement compared to the English Wikipedia. A lot of the articles tend to be poorly-referenced but don't get tagged, deleted, or fixed for a long time or simply forever, and content just doesn't get filtered out due to the lack of activity compared to that of the En Wiki's or the determination of what is and isn't acceptable content. Judging by the Free beer article on the German Wikipedia, that just must be an acceptable topic there but not here. It's usually easier to transwiki content from the En Wiki to another than vice versa. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom.Akevsharma (talk) 00:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per nominator. MickyShy (talk) 06:21, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep unless a suitable merger location is suggested - While I do find the notability of this subject somewhat dubious, and think it probably should be merged to another article, as it stands I can't see what is unencyclopedic about its actual contents. From what I'm aware German Wikipedia typically has quite high standards for article notability, so I'm not convinced of the argument that "German Wikipedia just accepts things that English Wikipedia does not". HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 06:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The notability standards on the German Wikipedia are simply different from ours, rather than higher or lower. They accept things that we do not and we accepts things that they do not. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This article was nominated for deletion on the German wikipedia in 2005 and the result was keep. I would say that the discussion itself does not really discuss the notability of the article in a similar way to AfDs now at the English Wiki, but it's worthwhile noting that there was an AfD for the German article with the result of keep. It can be viewed here: Freibeir German AfD. (Noting this: I still retain my vote as delete, I just thought it would be useful to bring to the conversation). snood1205^{(Say Hi! (talk))} 14:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that the German article was nominated for deletion in February 2005. The article at the time was fairly minimal, and the reason for deletion was that it was a trivial article. The article was since greatly expanded and has not been nominated for deletion again. JIP | Talk 16:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom - but there is some good content. I would suggest merging history into Beer, and possibly even creating articles for the festivals and beers mentioned if they are sufficiently notable. 137.220.68.182 (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as synth, not notable concept. Free1Soul (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was '''delete'''. The article being retained on dewp back in 2005 has absolutely no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Daniel|talk]]) 23:37, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * ''' Delete ''' per nom - but there is some good content. I would suggest merging history into [[Beer]], and possibly even creating articles for the festivals and beers mentioned if they are sufficiently notable. [[Special:Contributions/137.220.68.182|137.220.68.182]] ([[User talk:137.220.68.182|talk]]) 22:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
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