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I'd really appreciate advice or bold edits from other editors: should the individual sonnets be merged in to a larger article? What's the best way to do so? Thank you! [[User:Oulfis|<span style="color: #6703fc">~ oulfis</span><small> 🌸</small>]]([[User talk:Oulfis|talk]]) 22:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC) |
I'd really appreciate advice or bold edits from other editors: should the individual sonnets be merged in to a larger article? What's the best way to do so? Thank you! [[User:Oulfis|<span style="color: #6703fc">~ oulfis</span><small> 🌸</small>]]([[User talk:Oulfis|talk]]) 22:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC) |
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== Samuel Daniel == |
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I have recently completely revised the article on the early modern English poet, playwright and historian [[Samuel Daniel]]. The old one was both incomplete and inaccurate. For anyone interested, I would greatly appreciate if you would review it and offer feedback. This is my first time editing a Wikipedia article, so I am very open to suggestions, corrections, etc. After I am happy with this one, I also intend to write separate articles on Daniel's major works and lobby to get those added to Wikipedia (currently there's only one on [[Musophilus]] and it is needs serious revision as well). <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Musophilus|Musophilus]] ([[User talk:Musophilus#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Musophilus|contribs]]) 13:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Sorry about the unsigned comment. I'll get used to this.[[User:Musophilus|Musophilus]] ([[User talk:Musophilus|talk]]) 17:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:I'm so sorry for not responding sooner but I wanted to say: After a couple casual scrolls through the article, I think it is in fantastic shape. I'm not an expert in the area so I can't offer more specific commentary but just a general line of encouragement. Keep up the good work. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 14:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC) |
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::Thank you so much, {{ping|Midnightdreary}}. Your encouragement definitely will help spur me on to contribute further to WP.[[User:Musophilus|Musophilus]] ([[User talk:Musophilus|talk]]) 15:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC) |
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== "Song of Innocence" == |
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Why is "Song of Innocence" listed under Featured Articles in WikiProject Poetry? It's about a jazz album. Would the connection to Blake's "Songs of Innocence" be enough to justify the listing? [[User:Heilprin|Heilprin]] ([[User talk:Heilprin|talk]]) 19:46, 6 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:It should only be included if the article is part of the Wikiproject. If it's not, it would not qualify to be among the listings. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 21:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:: It's listed under [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry/William Blake]] because of its strong connection to ''[[Songs of Innocence and Experience]]''. That subgroup/task force does not appear particularly active, for what it's worth. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 02:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks to you both for your explanations. [[User:Heilprin|Heilprin]] ([[User talk:Heilprin|talk]]) 03:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC) |
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Please assess
Hi. I added the banner on the article Buddhist poetry. Please assess. Thanks! Thinker78 (talk) 06:21, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Proposed style for rhyme schemes
I have proposed that Wikipedia adopt a consistent style for rhyme scheme notation by starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style § Rhyme scheme patterns. Your input would be greatly appreciated. -- Beland (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Scansion is also mentioned. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Featured quality source review RFC
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Feedback requested at Villon poem article
Should a second translation of poet François Villon's poem be included at this article? Your feedback is requested at Talk:Ballade des dames du temps jadis#Inclusion of second translation. Mathglot (talk) 08:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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Feedback sought for merger discussion at Adrienne Rich
Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Adrienne Rich#Merge discussion. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Proposed merge
I've proposed a merge of Line break (poetry) into Line (poetry), and would welcome input at Talk:Line (poetry)#Merge. -- Netoholic @ 04:32, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Feedback Requested
I am working on an article and would love your feedback! Three Poems Thanks, Bmichelleh (talk) 00:54, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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New article to improve, for the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:02, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
About Category:Iranian Arabic poets
Any help for this category? There is/was many Iranian and Persian poets wrote Arabic poetry. But seems its not acceptable for Iranian users. --Ruwaym (talk) 15:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
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Quantitative scansion
I've started a discussion about Wikipedia guidelines for quantitative scansion at Wikipedia talk:CGR#Scansion. Join in if you like. Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
2019 in poetry
It would appear that the List of years in poetry is at the heart of this project so I am surprised that creation of 2019 in poetry has not yet taken place. Oronsay (talk) 18:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Why do you feel that it's "at the heart of this project"? This project is mostly inactive. Also, anyone is welcome to create such a page... including you! Best of luck. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Featured article review
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Featured article review
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RFC at Oscar Wilde
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Your participation would be welcome! BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:55, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at this article and assess it? It was created by a COI editor and it didn't go through WP:AFC. There are some formatting issues, etc. that I noticed, but I'm not sure if it meets WP:NBOOK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi @Marchjuly, sources were unreliable so I've redirected to the author's article. Plenty of room to expand in summary style there. czar 02:47, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for taking a look at this Czar. Do you think you could also post something about this on the creator's user talk page. They have declared a COI with respect to the author, but I don't think they're trying to sneak anything by anyone by creating the article without going through AfC. They've submitted other drafts to AfC for review; so, perhaps they just thought that they could speed things up a bit by not doing so this time. They seem to be relatively new to Wikipedia and to have been editing in good faith. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, will do czar 03:03, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:05, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, will do czar 03:03, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for taking a look at this Czar. Do you think you could also post something about this on the creator's user talk page. They have declared a COI with respect to the author, but I don't think they're trying to sneak anything by anyone by creating the article without going through AfC. They've submitted other drafts to AfC for review; so, perhaps they just thought that they could speed things up a bit by not doing so this time. They seem to be relatively new to Wikipedia and to have been editing in good faith. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- I have to note that the article's main photograph may be under copyright. I have left a message on that image's Wikimedia Commons talk page. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:55, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
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I have been corrected so many reference and fix the folow of these article. Can you help me by giving me advice or some new group information that i can add to these article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessional_poetryAgus Damanik (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Agus Damanik, are you looking for suggestions on what to add to the article? You could start by checking the current references for any further material that hasn't been paraphrased. czar 00:32, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Czar,I already done that. I am stuck with what i can add. Almost all the reference has been seen and renew. I just need new topic to add to the article or maybe grammatical correction Agus Damanik (talk) 01.10, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
New Member Seeking to Update Article on Elizabethan Poet Samuel Daniel
I have never written or updated an article on Wikipedia, but I would very much like to update the article on Samuel Daniel, a poet, playwright and author who was a contemporary of Shakespeare's. I'm in the process of writing an entirely new article (the one there is incomplete and inaccurate). I would appreciate any practical advice on the logistics of posting such an article. Should I use this WikiProject as a means of vetting it? Also how do I formally join this WikiProject Poetry group. Musophilus (talk) 21:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Musophilus
- I've put a note on your talk page. As to joining the group, you can just add your signature here. And put the project on your watchlist to see when updates are made. However, this project is pretty quiet. Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Poetry Society of America medals/awards
Do you people here believe each award/medal of Poetry Society of America have enough notability to merit a Wikipedia article for just the awards? I've looked through them and they're lacking the significant, independent, reliable, secondary coverage devoted to each of the awards/medals. Currently, they're not really serving any other purpose other than being a name checking exercise billboard for medal recipients. Graywalls (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Larry D. Thomas
I was wondering if anyone could help look for sources and give input on the deletion discussion for Larry D. Thomas. I'm not asking anyone to vote in favor of notability - I'd rather have an article deleted than to canvass - but I do want some input from people more savvy with the world of poetry. Thomas is the poet laureate for Texas and has received some coverage for his works, but it would be good to find more coverage if possible - can anyone perform a search to see if there's more? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 03:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
John Millington Synge
There are a very few exceedingly minor instances of uncited text at Featured article John Millington Synge; is anyone able to fill those in? I have not tagged those instances as I do not want to deface the article. See WP:URFA/2020. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Publisher and ISBN for lists of poet's publications
It's not necessarily a bad thing for publications that are unlikely to have a second edition or multiple publishers, but is it normal to include the first-edition publisher and ISBN in a list of the author's works? The approach at Carol Smallwood strikes me as unusual. See also Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive325#Please add publisher. —Pelagic ( messages ) – (08:54 Sat 28, AEDT) 21:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Not necessarily unusual. This is more of a bibliography style question than poetry per se but the default is to just do title and year. In this instance, I think the larger question is why to include print-on-demand works when the list is already overpowering the rest of the article. czar 00:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Peer Review for O Captain! My Captain!
I've opened a peer review for Whitman's poem "O Captain! My Captain!" at Wikipedia:Peer review/O Captain! My Captain!/archive1. If any users familiar with writing articles on poetry could comment, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Boundless trivia at The Lady of Shalott
I have removed most of the "cultural" reference sections of this article, which comprised bare mentions without context. See Talk:The_Lady_of_Shalott#Cultural_influence. They were largely restored by 5.173.104.233 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I don't see what these mentions add, but rather than revert outright, I request comment from the members of this project, as well as the IP. Thank you. Kablammo (talk) 14:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Great example of WP:CRUFT. See also WP:POPCULTURE. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:48, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
This draft was up for G13 deletion but I think Bertram may meet notability WP:NPOET criteria. Leaving a note here with those who may find the subject of interest and perhaps develop the article further. S0091 (talk) 19:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
COI Edit Requests for Larry Beckett page
Hello:
I am working in a COI/paid relationship with American poet and lyricist Larry Beckett. Though he has been writing poetry for most of his (73 years of) life, that section of his page is sorely lacking. I am requesting additions to his page in this area as well as his songwriting section (to come). The emphasis right now is on his songwriting career with Tim Buckley. The article also needs MUCH help with formatting. I welcome assistance with both the new information and turning the page into a good one. If anyone can provide feedback and help with getting edits made to his page, I'd greatly appreciate it! Best, LeepKendall (talk) 18:33, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Anna Laetitia Barbauld Featured article review
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Advice on covering individual sonnets in a volume of sonnets?
I've been working my way through coverage of Charlotte Turner Smith and have gotten a bit stymied by how to structure the article on her volume Elegiac Sonnets. I have started a few articles on individual sonnets from the volume: Sonnet V, Sonnet XLIV, and Sonnet LXX. These, and other sonnets, are frequently anthologized and discussed, so I think they meet WP:GNG. But, I don't think they will ever be incredibly long and detailed articles, even when the context and literature is fully addressed. So, it might be better to merge them into the Elegiac Sonnets article. (Someone has already proposed merging Sonnet LXX with Smith's biography article but I think Elegiac Sonnets is the more natural home). However, that seems likely to produce a very long and overly detailed article on Elegiac Sonnets. Am I being too precious about the various poetic details? Or overlooking a way of reorganizing the Elegiac Sonnets article that would make sense?
I started writing sonnet articles because I wanted students to be able to easily look up useful background information when these poems are assigned in class, which still feels valuable. I was planning to do all 5 sonnets that appear in at least 2 of the standard anthologies, plus a few others like Sonnet V which have a lot of sources talking about their sources & influence. But now I am questioning my approach.
I'd really appreciate advice or bold edits from other editors: should the individual sonnets be merged in to a larger article? What's the best way to do so? Thank you! ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 22:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Samuel Daniel
I have recently completely revised the article on the early modern English poet, playwright and historian Samuel Daniel. The old one was both incomplete and inaccurate. For anyone interested, I would greatly appreciate if you would review it and offer feedback. This is my first time editing a Wikipedia article, so I am very open to suggestions, corrections, etc. After I am happy with this one, I also intend to write separate articles on Daniel's major works and lobby to get those added to Wikipedia (currently there's only one on Musophilus and it is needs serious revision as well). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musophilus (talk • contribs) 13:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Sorry about the unsigned comment. I'll get used to this.Musophilus (talk) 17:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm so sorry for not responding sooner but I wanted to say: After a couple casual scrolls through the article, I think it is in fantastic shape. I'm not an expert in the area so I can't offer more specific commentary but just a general line of encouragement. Keep up the good work. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you so much, @Midnightdreary:. Your encouragement definitely will help spur me on to contribute further to WP.Musophilus (talk) 15:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
"Song of Innocence"
Why is "Song of Innocence" listed under Featured Articles in WikiProject Poetry? It's about a jazz album. Would the connection to Blake's "Songs of Innocence" be enough to justify the listing? Heilprin (talk) 19:46, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- It should only be included if the article is part of the Wikiproject. If it's not, it would not qualify to be among the listings. --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's listed under Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry/William Blake because of its strong connection to Songs of Innocence and Experience. That subgroup/task force does not appear particularly active, for what it's worth. czar 02:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks to you both for your explanations. Heilprin (talk) 03:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's listed under Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry/William Blake because of its strong connection to Songs of Innocence and Experience. That subgroup/task force does not appear particularly active, for what it's worth. czar 02:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)