Talk:Kosovo at the Olympics

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Before the declaration of independence, Kosovo was definitely a part of Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro and Serbia. did not participate - not true. Is not correct to say that did not participate in that period, because there was not Kosovo as an independent entity. It doesn't matter that Olympic Committee was established in 1992. For example, Catalonia has unrecognized Olympic Committee and it would not be correct to say that athletes from Catalonia not competing, but that they compete under the Spanish flag. Sportpersons from Kosovo were able to compete under the flag of Serbia (and Montenegro) and this oportunity used by some athletes, but only by Serbs from Kosovo (Sonja Stolić, Miloš Krasić, Milan Biševac...). After declaration of independence and before recognition of Olympic Committee of Kosovo, Olympic Committee of Serbia invited athletes from Kosovo to join Serbian team and, again, this oportunity used only by Serbs from Kosovo (Milena Rašić). Kosovo has never been part of Albania, but the case with Majlinda Kelmendi is specific --Aca Srbin (talk) 11:19, 12 December 2014 (UCT)

I think you are wrong to say that we did participate under Serbian when only serbs from Kosovo do participate for Serbia so theirfore it is right to mention that Kosovo from 2008 and 2012 didn't participate since they weren't an NOC member at that time. So theirfore they didn't participate but were indenpendent since the 17th february in 2008 btw Kosovo being together with Albania in the World War two and been together history do to being both Albanian countries and the Majority Albanian, nice try but try it harder ;) You can't stop us anymore ! Prishtinë25 (talk) 00:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Stop politicizing the article!

Several editors are adding unnecessary political statements, such as 'invitations' or Kosovo's political status. Kosovo is a full member of the IOC, and is going to be represented as an independent country. So why add stupid politics to the article, when there's a settle categorical position by the IOC. --PjeterPeter (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Further more, Kosovo's participation is organized by the OCK only; meaning that the OCK did not participate under the Serbian flag from 1992 to 2014. --PjeterPeter (talk) 22:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Facts about Kosovo's other appearances

Kosovo's participation is organized by the Olympic Committee of Kosovo - which was not a member of the IOC from 1992-2014, meaning that Kosovo did not participate under any flag. The case for 2012 is different, as Majlinda tried to represent Kosovo but couldn't, meaning that the OCK de facto participated under the Albanian flag. --PjeterPeter (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Olympic Committe of Kosovo didn't exist legally before 2014, Kosovo was part of Serbia and Montenegro and Serbia after the break of Yugoslavia. NOC's of these states were the only legal NOCs that organized state's cometition at Olympic Games. In 2012 the only able Athlete of Albanian origin chose to participate under Albanian flag while athletes of Serbian origin born on Kosovo opted to represent Serbia. Catalan NOC exist as isn't officialy recognized, athletes participate under the flag of official state Spain. Athletes from Northern Ireland can chose either to represent Ireland or GB!

Kosovo participate under flag of Serbia (and Montenegro) as part of this country. After the declaration of independence, Kosovo is a partially recognised country, but it has independent Olympic team since 2014. Only then Kosovo's participation is organized by the Olympic Committee of Kosovo. Kosovar athletes are all athletes from Kosovo, Serbs or Albanians or any other. Athletes from Kosovo have participated under their recognized NOCs at that time, but only Serbs. Despite the invitation from the Serbian Olympic Committee, most Kosovo Albanians wanted to compete separately. OCS invited all athletes from Kosovo to join Serbian team. All athletes WERE ABLE to participate, but they did't want. OK, everybody know why, but that should appear in the text. --Aca Srbin (talk) 20:36, 17 December 2014 (UCT)

Keep the 'status' away.

Kosovo's appearance is about the Republic of Kosovo, not the disputed territory of Kosovo. The IOC has recognized the Rep. of Kosovo and they will participate under their flag, country and anthem. Status is not needed, when Kosovo will participate as an equal independent country.

Stop politicizing the page for *own national* reasons, please! This is about sports, not politics. --PjeterPeter (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

MEDAL TABLES

Since the table has been a controversy for many editors (mostly Albanian and Serbs), I have added a separate 'Former countries' or 'appearances' table, where the Kosovo-born athletes competed before the recognition, and I have added the medals won by these athletes.

If you have any knowledge about other medals won by Kosovar athletes, please add. Ah, and about the IOP in 1992, it's yet unknown if there was any Kosovar athlete since the OCK was already established, so a verification is needed.

Please avoid politicizing. Thank you! --PjeterPeter (talk) 13:36, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

No. No former countries go counting individually medals won when participating for other countries and then making misleading tables as ig they competed then as country. You add it in the prose with proper citations. Also, Albania should be removed from the infobox. Those related participations are just indicating that people from that territory were part of the qualifiers for the Olympics within X country. Just because some individual athlete competed for some other country is not reason for including that country as related participation, as that was his individual choice, and not because the territory of Kosovo participated within the qualifiers of Albania for the Olympics. FkpCascais (talk) 14:15, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

If you remove Albania from the infobox, you should remove Serbia as well, because Kosovo is de facto independent since 2008. --PjeterPeter (talk) 13:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Kosovo was never formally part of Albanian qualifiers for the Olympics. It was just Kelmendi on her own choice that competed under Albania, just as numerous athletes throughout the world switch nationality. FkpCascais (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Source about the 3 Players winning the Gold Medal in 1960.

User:Pipsally

The source given did confirm 2 claims.

1. Winning the Gold Medal.

2. Members who participated.*

You removed Point 1.

Any reasons for that?

* = Another section of the source.

--InNeed95 (talk) 20:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Because this statement is about these named players being part of the team so it's better to link to the team sheet

But anyway,that source is primary. We need a realiable secondary source for this that states they played and won the gold.

I've also edited the intro to that section for neutrality. It's not clear without sources that all these athletes would have considered themselves Kosovan. Indeed two of the three footballers are described as Serbian in their Wikipedia page, so "born in Kosovo" more neutral than Kosovan.Pipsally (talk) 04:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Pipsally:,

"Because this statement is about these named players being part of the team so it's better to link to the team sheet "

-Indirect. The change was not a improvement. The Team Sheet just mentiones the players and does not tell about the won Gold Medal. So yeah, not a Improvement.

As far as I know, all players (even subs) receive the Gold Medal.

Kosovan refers to people having their origins in Kosovo. Aswell as, people being citizins of the Rep. of Kosovo (as Kosovo was part of yugoslavia, the 2nd point is irrelevant here). I have nothing against your change on the text tho, since in the end, its the same just in different words (So no improvement, but nvm that).

--InNeed95 (talk) 09:47, 1 August 2021 (UTC)