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In a number of articles on Wikipedia that related to cricket, the link to a citation goes to a website that requires payment. For example, I just came across such links in the article on Vijay Hazare Trophy. That is not the only article. I think links behind paywalls should not be used especially when there are sites that have the same information for free. I know I could have changed one link, but that would not have solved the problem. This is an epidemic and needs to be addressed by Wikipedia editors in a different manner. |
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Request regarding citations
In a number of articles on Wikipedia that related to cricket, the link to a citation goes to a website that requires payment. For example, I just came across such links in the article on Vijay Hazare Trophy. That is not the only article. I think links behind paywalls should not be used especially when there are sites that have the same information for free. I know I could have changed one link, but that would not have solved the problem. This is an epidemic and needs to be addressed by Wikipedia editors in a different manner.
Archive
All content to 28 October 2017 is now in Talk:Cricket/Archive 13. Jack | talk page 08:50, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
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Dipen patel 2952000 (talk) 04:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
cricket is the great game
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.--MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)(please reply using {{ping}}) 04:57, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
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The article states:
If a fielder is injured or becomes ill during a match, a substitute is allowed to field instead of him, but the substitute cannot bowl, act as a captain or keep wicket...
This was changed in 2017, I believe. For instance, it happened today in the IPL:
http://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/ipl/article/ipl-2018-new-rules-allow-aditya-tare-to-keep-wickets-for-injured-ishan-kishan-during-mi-vs-rcb-match/218530 Johnroblawson (talk) 02:15, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: Will be checking the details and adding. ~ Winged BladesGodric 06:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Question: Paging @Winged Blades of Godric: Were you still looking into this? Didn't want to inadvertently step on your toes by editing this for User:Johnroblawson. OhKayeSierra (talk) 06:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Winged Blades of Godric: re-ping just in case. L293D (☎ • ✎) 00:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Question: Paging @Winged Blades of Godric: Were you still looking into this? Didn't want to inadvertently step on your toes by editing this for User:Johnroblawson. OhKayeSierra (talk) 06:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
An umpire signals a decision to the scorers
As the contributor comments, "I'm not entirely sure what the umpire (Simon Taufel) is signalling, but I'm sure it's important."
I'm sure this isn't any official signal, and it probably isn't a signal to the scorers at all. Anyone got a picture of a commonplace signal of some significance?
Atconsul (talk) 11:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's a bit ambiguous. He could be calling byes or he could be giving a batsman out. On first glance I thought the former, but when I blew it up, I thought the latter. Yes, we ought to replace it, it's not a great photo for this reason and others. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
He say out. Thank u. Pandya101 (talk) 16:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Bail or Bails?
In the very first paragraph, it says "*a bail* balanced on three stumps". Is the Bail (cricket) article wrong, or is this wrong? This one seems to be, but I am surprised. Am I missing something? Peacedance (talk) 17:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Ha! You are right. There are two bails, not one. I believe there was only one bail way back in antiquity when there were only two stumps. Only one bail needs to be removed for a dismissal to be possible, though. Well spotted. Scribbles by The Scribbler (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
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The introduction says "When ten players have been dismissed, the innings end and the teams swap roles." Shouldn't that be "innings ends"? 208.95.49.47 (talk) 13:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC) 208.95.49.47 (talk) 13:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: the innings (plural) end (plural). It could have been "inning (singular) ends (singular)" but "innings (plural) ends (singular)" in wrong DannyS712 (talk) 16:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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Could someone perform the edit I requested above? Clearly DannyS doesn't understand that "innings" can be singular in cricket. 208.95.49.47 (talk) 19:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Done, but as an American, this sounds horribly wrong, so it's understandable that this was denied at first without additional explanation. Usage of "innings" as a singular is apparently a British English thing, and since the rest of the article follows this usage and since this article uses British English, I've gone ahead and made the change, strange as it seems to me. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 20:51, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Deacon Vorbis: thanks. Sorry, I should have been more careful. Apologies to the IP editor. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
"Innings" is certainly singular, but is it plural? I am sure I have heard "inningses" as the plural, which does not necessarily mean it is correct, of course. Seadowns (talk) 00:06, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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Add Cricket test world cup Namanjn10555 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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The article states:
New European cricket league is now <a href="https://eurot20-slam.com ">EURO T20 SLAM </a> league which is officially organized under the cap of ICC. Which is held at Netherland, Scotlands, and Ireland from 30th August to 22 September 2019
https://eurot20-slam.com Johnroblawson (talk) 02:15, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- Note: Will be checking the details and adding. ~ Winged BladesGodric 06:42, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Runs for wickets vs. wickets for runs
In the entire cricketing world, except Australia, a score is given as e.g. 156 (runs) for 7 (wickets). In Australia it's the reverse: 7 for 156. Can anyone tell me how and why and when this change happened Down Under? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC) not compared Australia with others
- Apparently, it was Ned Gregory's fault. [2]. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:58, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Cricket (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 13:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Cricket is not popular as hockey in some countries
Why cricket is not popular in china — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardar00 (talk • contribs) 03:54, 12 October 2019 (UTC) Because Chinese is very advance not waste time as asion country doFlykites (talk) 03:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
China not british part. So. Thank u. Pandya101 (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Cricket is not a national game
Cricket is not a national game in many countries as it is very much popular rather than other gamesFlykites (talk) 03:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
There is New Ball Added in Cricket History Pink Ball for Test Match
Australia v New Zealand 3rd Test, Adelaide, November 2015
Pakistan v West Indies 1st Test, Dubai, October 2016
Australia v South Africa 3rd Test, Adelaide, November 2016 Australia v Pakistan 1st Test, Brisbane, December 2016
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Dhirender Singh Negi (talk) 11:15, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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Alastair1278 (talk) 04:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)hi nathan
- @Alastair1278: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please change "No" (in the contact section) to "No-contact". Also please add the "contact sport" Wikipedia page as a hyperlink on the word. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_sport . Thanks! 83.187.165.93 (talk) 21:41, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: I don't think the infobox needs to be changed. It is already clear the sport is a no-contact sport. I can't add a hyperlink to the infobox because it is not part of the infobox code. Hope this helps. Interstellarity (talk) 14:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
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a sport in which two teams of eleven players try to score runs (= points) by hitting a small, hard ball with a bat, and running between two sets of small wooden posts. Vishal Veeresh (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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I want to add some more info please let me. I am ishu1000 .I want to add the following.
Cricket Resumes in Covid-19: Finally after a long time cricket resumed when England played with West indies on July 8,2020[1]
Ishu1000 (talk) 06:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: Since the article doesn't say anything about cricket being stopped due to Covid-19, there's no context to say that it's resumed. Dan Bloch (talk) 08:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
References
Cricket description
At the beginning of the article it specifies that the length of a cricket pitch is 20 metres (22 yards), this really should be 22 yards with the approximation of 20 metres in brackets. A cricket pitch is more accurately one chain (old imperial measurement) in length which is equal to 22 yards 'https://www.lords.org/mcc/the-laws-of-cricket/the-pitch', saying that it's 20 metres is incorrect.
Mike Ashman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikelashman (talk • contribs) 12:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Changed this (and other measurements) to have the imperial measurement listed first. Spike 'em (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
American here who does not know very much about the sport. The opening paragraph does not tell a reader why cricket is important. Too many details that should probably not be in the intro at all.PopSci (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
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Cricket was established in Britain and this sport includes a lot of teamwork and focuses on ones mental and physical ability 117.220.249.227 (talk) 05:49, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 07:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Diagram of batsmen's ground
Regarding this edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cricket&oldid=prev&diff=979515623&diffmode=source), unless there is a source showing batsmen aren't allowed to make their ground in any part of the green areas (except for cases of Obstructing the field), the diagram should remain as a factual representation of what the Laws say. If needed, a caveat may be added in the caption of the diagram explaining that batsmen generally run near the pitch. GreekApple123 (talk) 06:16, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Whilst the diagram is technically correct, it is not representative of how the game is played, and I think it is more likely to confuse readers than inform them. Spike 'em (talk) 06:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- User:Spike 'em, perhaps that makes sense for this article. But how about your similar edit on the Batsman's ground article? It seems appropriate to show the technically correct diagram in an article that is dedicated to the concept. To explain my reasoning for including the diagram, I think one thing cricket lacks relative to other bat-and-ball sports is a clear sense of which parts of the field are safe or not. Anyways, if you disagree, I'd like to let you know that Comparison of baseball and cricket has a similar image at the top of the article, so feel free to remove that as well if you want. GreekApple123 (talk) 06:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with User:Spike 'em, except that a) the diagram offered is not even clearly correct in identifying the Popping Crease, which could be a useful contribution and b) it is not safe to make your ground behind the umpire. It almost says this in the Laws, but not in a way you might hope. And cricket does not lack 'a clear sense of which parts of the field are safe,' it expresses them in the language of cricket and its protagonists. Reducing the explanation on the cricket pages to be relative to baseball is not helpful to anyone except a baseball player, and is not the POV WP should adopt on this, direct comparison page aside. Whilst occasionally contributors have been tempted in such a fashion it is generally a mistake. I'm happy to step up to the plate on this.
- A diagram sympathetic to User:GreekApple123's sentiment could be conceived. It would be the diagram already offered in Crease (cricket) and referenced where it is required, improved by showing the infinitely thin imaginary construction of the Popping Crease extending as the Laws describe. The diagram would focus on the area of the wicket: anything behind the striker's end umpire's normal positions is irrelevant and can be faded out. Any such diagram would need to reflect (but not copy) other good practice on such an explanation, such as is offered by MCC material, to avoid being not only OR but also just plain not cricket. On balance this page seems fine to me without any embellishment on these lines. Atconsul (talk) 17:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I would also base any proposed diagram on those on the pitch / crease articles and possibly add a note explaining the crease is notionally extended to the width of the field of play. Spike 'em (talk) 17:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- A diagram sympathetic to User:GreekApple123's sentiment could be conceived. It would be the diagram already offered in Crease (cricket) and referenced where it is required, improved by showing the infinitely thin imaginary construction of the Popping Crease extending as the Laws describe. The diagram would focus on the area of the wicket: anything behind the striker's end umpire's normal positions is irrelevant and can be faded out. Any such diagram would need to reflect (but not copy) other good practice on such an explanation, such as is offered by MCC material, to avoid being not only OR but also just plain not cricket. On balance this page seems fine to me without any embellishment on these lines. Atconsul (talk) 17:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- You said "And cricket does not lack 'a clear sense of which parts of the field are safe,' it expresses them in the language of cricket and its protagonists. Reducing the explanation on the cricket pages to be relative to baseball is not helpful to anyone except a baseball player, and is not the POV WP should adopt on this, direct comparison page aside." I reply that, as far as I can see, the Laws of cricket say that a batsman must ground himself or his bat behind the popping crease at the other end of the pitch; that seems like a roundabout way of saying he must ground himself in a particular area of the field. Cricket is, after all, the world's largest safe haven game, so the idea that we shouldn't just directly show where the safe havens are doesn't make sense to me. You said "anything behind the striker's end umpire's normal positions is irrelevant and can be faded out." I reply that if you have a source backing this up, then it would be a good idea, but otherwise, I personally don't know of anything preventing a batsman from being safe in that area (though perhaps pragmatically speaking, we can say that a batsman would not be able to stand in the same spot as the striker's end umpire without his consent or something like that). You said "Any such diagram would need to reflect (but not copy) other good practice on such an explanation, such as is offered by MCC material, to avoid being not only OR" I reply that, while I don't know the OR policy in-depth, any diagram is probably OK even if it doesn't conform with general practice on these matters so long as it is a factual representation of what the Laws say, and not directly challenged by any of those sources, such as the MCC material. For example, the MCC video that shows where a batsman's ground is, at 35 seconds in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhs1qkAkwqM), shows the batsman's ground only relative to the popping crease where it is drawn on the field, but they didn't say anything against the idea that the batsman's ground can be conceptualized as... the ground itself. GreekApple123 (talk) 17:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I repeat my earlier point:
...it is not representative of how the game is played, and ... is more likely to confuse readers
. The batsman's ground is always framed in terms of the creases so a useful diagram would do the same. A batsman would never stand at cow corner, so I see no use in a diagram indicating that he may do so. Spike 'em (talk) 08:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)- I concur, File:Batsmen's ground in cricket field.png does not illustrate the concept well. Any such image must depict the pitch and creases clearly. A version of File:Cricket pitch.svg with simple clear dotted/dashed lines to illustrate extension and a note would suffice. wjematherplease leave a message... 10:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- As an aside, I've also removed the file from Bete-ombro as the note even admits it is not representative of the rules in that game. Spike 'em (talk) 11:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- I repeat my earlier point:
- You said "And cricket does not lack 'a clear sense of which parts of the field are safe,' it expresses them in the language of cricket and its protagonists. Reducing the explanation on the cricket pages to be relative to baseball is not helpful to anyone except a baseball player, and is not the POV WP should adopt on this, direct comparison page aside." I reply that, as far as I can see, the Laws of cricket say that a batsman must ground himself or his bat behind the popping crease at the other end of the pitch; that seems like a roundabout way of saying he must ground himself in a particular area of the field. Cricket is, after all, the world's largest safe haven game, so the idea that we shouldn't just directly show where the safe havens are doesn't make sense to me. You said "anything behind the striker's end umpire's normal positions is irrelevant and can be faded out." I reply that if you have a source backing this up, then it would be a good idea, but otherwise, I personally don't know of anything preventing a batsman from being safe in that area (though perhaps pragmatically speaking, we can say that a batsman would not be able to stand in the same spot as the striker's end umpire without his consent or something like that). You said "Any such diagram would need to reflect (but not copy) other good practice on such an explanation, such as is offered by MCC material, to avoid being not only OR" I reply that, while I don't know the OR policy in-depth, any diagram is probably OK even if it doesn't conform with general practice on these matters so long as it is a factual representation of what the Laws say, and not directly challenged by any of those sources, such as the MCC material. For example, the MCC video that shows where a batsman's ground is, at 35 seconds in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhs1qkAkwqM), shows the batsman's ground only relative to the popping crease where it is drawn on the field, but they didn't say anything against the idea that the batsman's ground can be conceptualized as... the ground itself. GreekApple123 (talk) 17:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- The point of the note in Bete-ombro is to compare that game to cricket: whereas cricket has the batsman's ground in a large expanse of the field, Bete-ombro limits it to a small area. GreekApple123 (talk) 17:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- So you are now trying to use a misleading diagram about one sport in an article about a different game? You have 3 people saying that this diagram is not useful, please consider what we are saying. Spike 'em (talk) 17:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- We both agree that the area behind the popping crease as drawn near the pitch is safe, so the point of using that image in the Bete-ombro article (which is a form of street cricket, thus the comparison) was to show the difference in size of the batsman's ground; even if the diagram was modified the way you all suggested, the point of using it in that article is primarily to communicate that difference in size. Regardless, I will not be using the diagram again. GreekApple123 (talk) 18:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- So you are now trying to use a misleading diagram about one sport in an article about a different game? You have 3 people saying that this diagram is not useful, please consider what we are saying. Spike 'em (talk) 17:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- The point of the note in Bete-ombro is to compare that game to cricket: whereas cricket has the batsman's ground in a large expanse of the field, Bete-ombro limits it to a small area. GreekApple123 (talk) 17:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I have made a diagram that I think incorporates most of the suggestions here: it focuses on the pitch, and it shows the popping crease prominently only where it is usually drawn. Please tell me if it would be acceptable for me to add it to the article: File:Batsmen's ground in cricket pitch.png GreekApple123 (talk) 18:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- It seems you are trying to illustrate the concept in a novel way; as such the fundamental problems remain. Maybe it would be easier/better to find a photograph where the marked popping crease has been extended across the square – a common sight in modern short-form cricket. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- I re-read this entire discussion, and I don't see which of the problems raised by any of you appear in the diagram. Are you saying that it's problematic to highlight the batsmen's ground in green? Here is a video of a match from the last T20 World Cup (https://youtube.com/watch?v=UWrq-N1jlNU); if you can point us to a moment in this video, or other media, where the popping crease is shown the way you want, then we can look for a photo based on that. GreekApple123 (talk) 20:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- See Cricket#Basic gameplay: bowler to batsman for a fairly good example, where File:Muralitharan bowling to Adam Gilchrist.jpg is in use. wjematherplease leave a message... 20:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- I re-read this entire discussion, and I don't see which of the problems raised by any of you appear in the diagram. Are you saying that it's problematic to highlight the batsmen's ground in green? Here is a video of a match from the last T20 World Cup (https://youtube.com/watch?v=UWrq-N1jlNU); if you can point us to a moment in this video, or other media, where the popping crease is shown the way you want, then we can look for a photo based on that. GreekApple123 (talk) 20:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- there is a runout halfway through that video which shows exactly what wjemather mentioned. Spike 'em (talk) 20:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- For the moment, I have created a version of File:Muralitharan bowling to Adam Gilchrist.jpg with the batsmen's ground highlighted in it; I'm not too good at figuring out which images are copyrighted or not (I acknowledge the run out in the middle of the video, but am not sure if a screenshot of that moment at 1:31 would be copyrighted), so someone else can upload a better image later on. But here is the version I'd like to add to the article: File:Batsmen's ground example.png GreekApple123 (talk) 22:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC) If it would help in overcoming objections to this image, I can edit it to also highlight the area in which the bowler must bowl (the area between the
bowling,popping, and return creases) at both ends of the pitch, as well as anything else you think of. GreekApple123 (talk) 13:43, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- For the moment, I have created a version of File:Muralitharan bowling to Adam Gilchrist.jpg with the batsmen's ground highlighted in it; I'm not too good at figuring out which images are copyrighted or not (I acknowledge the run out in the middle of the video, but am not sure if a screenshot of that moment at 1:31 would be copyrighted), so someone else can upload a better image later on. But here is the version I'd like to add to the article: File:Batsmen's ground example.png GreekApple123 (talk) 22:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC) If it would help in overcoming objections to this image, I can edit it to also highlight the area in which the bowler must bowl (the area between the
- I just do not find the highlighting helpful (at all). Are there any reliable sources that illustrate these concepts in this way? In addition, for your created image,
"you must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use"
; and yes, any still image captured from a copyrighted video would also by subject to copyright. wjematherplease leave a message... 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)- I put a part in the description of the image stating it's a modification of the original file, so that takes care of the credit part, I think. GreekApple123 (talk) 15:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Quote: "Are there any reliable sources that illustrate these concepts in this way?" Reply: At 1:47 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhs1qkAkwqM, the two batsmens' grounds are partially highlighted. Page 90 of https://resources.pulse.icc-cricket.com/ICC/document/2020/09/02/6dec295c-9378-46ae-8caf-bd799858c144/05-Mens-T20I-Playing-Conditions-2020-V2.pdf shows what "behind the popping crease" (which is how it defines "batsman's ground" on page 87) looks like. Keep in mind, the diagram of a batsman's ground could be kept only to the batsman's ground page; also, it seems that the Cricket article does not directly link to that page. GreekApple123 (talk) 21:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
- I just do not find the highlighting helpful (at all). Are there any reliable sources that illustrate these concepts in this way? In addition, for your created image,
- OK, I just came to this. I've seen the diagrams with the orange and green bits on them and am told confused. I have no idea what they're trying to show - and I've been watching or playing cricket for 45 years. Sorry but they really don't help. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- I presume you mean the red and green bits? GreekApple123 (talk) 18:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Given that that's the most common colour blindness combination globally, yeah, probably... Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- I presume you mean the red and green bits? GreekApple123 (talk) 18:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Cultural Exchange/Colonialism
Hi! Just thought it might be beneficial if a section was added about cricket as a form of cultural exchange and/or colonialism in the British Empire. It has served as a metaphor in many types of media and I think even bringing it up would be a good aspect of the topic that is not discussed as much.
Batter or batsman?
I see that this article usually refers to those who bat as batsmen (or batsman when one is being mentioned), but I do see "batter" a few times near the beginning of the article.
Now, I'm not into sports and know nothing about cricket - but I've always understood that the term "batter" is incorrect in cricket (even though correct in baseball); it was always "batsman".
Am I correct in this belief? If this is so, then "batter" should probably be changed to "batsman".
Then, with the rising prominence of women's cricket, what are women who bat called? Is there an official term? Batswoman? Batsman? Batsperson?!
Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks. M.J.E. (talk) 11:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Laws of Cricket use Batsman / Batsmen throughout, but it is clear it is meant to include both genders, as it has constructions such as "BATSMAN OUT OF HIS/HER GROUND". I think batter is becoming more prevalent in coverage, but should probably be consistent in this article. Spike 'em (talk) 12:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Just to update this, in September 2021, MCC changed the Laws to use "batter" throughout: [3] and state
We expect and encourage others to adopt the updated terminology following today’s announcement of the change to the Laws
. The MCC cannot prescribe how others refer to the game, so I think it is up to us editors to make a decision as to how WP will refer to players. Spike 'em (talk) 10:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Just to update this, in September 2021, MCC changed the Laws to use "batter" throughout: [3] and state
- Cricket terminology is very illogical. Traditionally it was always "batsman" but, since we always say "bowler" and never "bowlsman", and "fielder" is much more common than "fieldsman", it's hard to object to "batter". (Though it always makes me think of fish and chips!) JH (talk page) 15:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- It made me think of baseball, but I'm one of those now rare creatures that has played both sports a lot. It looks like other editors ahve already bitten the bullet on this to some extent. Australia women's national cricket team exclusively uses batter. HiLo48 (talk) 18:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- ESPNcricinfo made the editorial decision in late 2020 or early 2021 to use the term 'batter'. Richard Nevell (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Mentioning Super Overs
I disagree with the following reversion: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cricket&oldid=prev&diff=1031560413&diffmode=visual. I think any sports article (see: Baseball, Basketball, Association football, etc. which all do this in their lead paragraphs) ought to mention that there is a fairly standard tiebreaking method used in many of its major competitions, and the argument that this is "too much detail" doesn't hold up when it's only a sentence or two of added text. GreekApple123 (talk) 10:57, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- With regards to the super over, I agree that tie-breaking methods could (possibly should) be mentioned but it should not be done how is was here, which, aside from anything else, was inaccurate (N.B. this article encompasses all cricket). The rest of the additions made were unnecessary. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding your N.B, I added the text on the Super Over in the paragraph that pertained to limited-overs matches, and not in the previous paragraph which discussed two-innings-per-side matches. GreekApple123 (talk) 12:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Limited overs (or any other form of) cricket is not confined to international or high-level domestic cricket; indeed much recreational cricket (the most widely played level of cricket) is played in the limited overs format, and very rarely would you ever see a super over there. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding your N.B, I added the text on the Super Over in the paragraph that pertained to limited-overs matches, and not in the previous paragraph which discussed two-innings-per-side matches. GreekApple123 (talk) 12:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
The date of the earliest definite reference to cricket
This article says that “the earliest definite reference to cricket being played comes from evidence given at a court case in Guildford on Monday, 17 January 1597 (Julian calendar; equating to 30 January 1598 in the Gregorian calendar).”, but this description is not correct. Monday, 17 January 1597 in the Julian calendar is not 30 January 1598 but 27 January 1597 in the Gregorian calendar. Can anyone show a more reliable source of the date? --鵺草 (talk) 21:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- See the sentence in our Julian calendar article: From 1087 to 1155 the English year began on 1 January, and from 1155 to 1751 it began on 25 March. Thus for contemporary chroniclers, January of what we now regard as 1598 would have been 1597. I can't throw any light on your other point until I've checked. JH (talk page) 09:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I've now edited the article to hopefully clarify things. JH (talk page) 07:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2021
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There is a title named "Types of Match" This is slightly grammatically incorrect This could be changed to "Formats of the Game" or "Types of Matches"
The basic gameplay diagram can have a caption of the date and countries that played that match. The two countries playing SB080506 (talk) 10:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Partly done: @SB080506: I've changed the title to "Forms of cricket", as that is the name of the primary article. The diagram should be edited separately (I'm not sure which diagram you mean, but you should be able to edit it yourself). — Lauritz Thomsen (talk) 11:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
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Tosifhelp (talk) 05:19, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 06:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
C10
Is C10 a fictional name? It's used prominently in the TV series "Last Man Out" of Midsomer Murders, while I do not see any references for that name anywhere here.[1] --Traut (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Quite probably. There is T10 cricket (10 overs a side) played in some places, but I don't think we can list every single variant played at local levels anyway. Spike 'em (talk) 20:10, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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CHANGE THE WORD BATTER TO BATSMAN AND BATSMEN CORRESPONDINGLY. Michael De Santa2 1B (talk) 06:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not done The Laws now refer to batters; I feel this needs a wider discussion before reverting back to "batsman". Spike 'em (talk) 09:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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