Talk:Telescope

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"Astronomical telescopes"

Telescopes are a pretty broad category, including UV/IR and even radiotelescopes. If you want to restrict it to optical telescopes, UV and IR ones still belong in the article. Since early 20th century, professional telescopes don't have eyepieces. CCD's are used in conjuction with a ton of other instruments to derive meaningful data, most notably spectroscopes. Kleuske (talk) 14:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

We should add a separate section that just focuses on astronomy telescopes this article is written badly.95.0.32.95 (talk) 15:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

That's what most of the article is already about. No one is using an X-ray telescope to spot ships on the horizon. They don't even work in atmosphere. - MrOllie (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Then we should rename the article to radio telescopes if it only talks about radio ones and not astronomy. Can we request to re name it and make the page and make a disambiguated page that will be better.95.0.32.95 (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This is a summary article that provides information that about all sorts of telescopes, then we have additional, more detailed articles on specific types. Also, radio telescopes are used to conduct astronomy. Is english your first language? Perhaps that word does not mean what you think it means. MrOllie (talk) 15:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

If it’s about ‘all telescopes’ then I can’t see at least one paragraph that talks about astronomy telescope.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:01, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I can speak English and Greek.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

They're all 'astromony telescopes' MrOllie (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok, what do you mean by the term 'astronomy telescope'? Please define it for us. - MrOllie (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately your written English isn't very good. And please indent properly, following WP:TALKREPLY--it's basic internet etiquette. Drmies (talk) 16:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

A tool that astronomers use to see and observe faraway objects in space.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok, An X-ray telescope does that. Why isn't that an 'astronomy telescope'? MrOllie (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

X-ray telescope and Astronomy telescopes are different. Astronomy telescopes are ground based and are used to focus light by using pieces of curved, clear glass, called lenses (Mirror). They can be used either with the naked eye or use cameras (CCD) for enhanced observing. Where as X-ray telescope is an instrument designed to detect and resolve X-rays from sources outside Earth's atmosphere. Because of atmospheric absorption, X-ray telescopes must be carried to high altitudes by rockets or balloons or placed in orbit outside the atmosphere now get the difference.?95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:13, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

X-rays are also a wavelength of light, and mirrors are not always clear. Those inaccuracies aside, as far as I can tell, you're describing an optical telescope. - MrOllie (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Can we merge the Optical telescope article with this one because it is misleading.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

No, I oppose any merge. This is the summary article (with a short section on optical telescopes) and specific details are on the more specific page. - MrOllie (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Like how i mentioned before Renaming the article would be better and less misleading.‘Radio telescope’ would be better title because it only talks about radio ones more. Can we open up a vote on the talk page and leave the other optical telescope as it is.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:27, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

We already have an article on radio telescope. —C.Fred (talk) 16:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Then can’t we merge this page with that it’s about the same thing anyway.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This article is about telescopes, broadly defined—optical and radio. —C.Fred (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

We should move the optical section to the optical telescope page and just move the left over to radio telescope to the radio telescope article how about that?95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Otherwise it’s like having four separate articles.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

It is appropriate to have a summary of the other articles in a broad article like this; otherwise, readers have to jump to four or five different articles to get the overview that they currently get on one page. —C.Fred (talk) 16:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

No because this is the one that should be split because it has the most information on here.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This one has more information about radio telescopes than the other radio telescope article.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:40, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This page appears to summarize radio telescope. It may also summarize some of the articles that radio telescope summarizes, because of the volume of information. —C.Fred (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I still believe all information should be kept on the radio telescope article because reading something more then once isn’t helpful.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

That's great--now please indent properly. Drmies (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

That’s the reason why I think we should merge. Greek is my first language and I couldn’t explain it properly in the first place.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Looking at just the articles linked with {{Main}}:

• History of the telescope: 73 kB
• Optical telescope: 51 kB
• Radio telescope: 24 kB
• Radio astronomy: 33 kB
• X-ray telescope: 8 kB
• Telescope mount: 8 kB

That's pushing 200 kB of text, which is getting toward the length of article where a split is appropriate. There might be merges that could be made elsewhere, but I don't think pulling them all back into this article is productive. —C.Fred (talk) 16:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

What’s the KB for this article? This is why we should move relevant information to one of those articles depending what the subject is about.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:55, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

You have been calling for text to be merged to this article, though. —C.Fred (talk) 16:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This article should not exist.95.0.32.95 (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This is a level-3 vital article on technology. Please give a clear reason why you think we should not have an article on telescopes. —C.Fred (talk) 16:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

The X-ray article has very low KB due to the fact that all of the information is on this article. Also title telescope is misleading.95.0.32.95 (talk) 17:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Please give a clear reason why you think this article should not exist—why you think readers should not get a summary of what telescopes are. —C.Fred (talk) 17:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

The reason was because the information on this article should be in the X ray telescope article. It has very little information on the other one.95.0.32.95 (talk) 17:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

So if you agree that this article needs to remain, I think this thread is finished. —C.Fred (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

No do not agree because like how I said all of this information should be MERGED to the X-ray telescope article because that one has little information.95.0.32.95 (talk) 17:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

The last remaining information will go to optical telescope article.95.0.32.95 (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Again, this is a level-3 vital article. You're proposing it should be nothing but links to subarticles? That is bad practice and against the Manual of Style. —C.Fred (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This is common practice on Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Summary style. When we have lots of subtypes of a thing, we have an article on each one and then a summary article (this one), which summarizes and points to the others. There isn't any information unique to X-ray telescopes on this article that could be put on the sub article without causing duplications. And we are not going to delete a bunch of stuff from this article to match some personal definition you have of what a telescope ought to be. MrOllie (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok then but how about we add under sub heading MAIN ARTICLE that talks about one subject. I have not seen than everywhere on each subject. We should keep radio and astronomy telescope all in one paragraph and only have two contents.95.0.32.95 (talk) 17:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I find this comment incomprehensible. Your phrasing and vocabulary are so odd that I have no idea what you're trying to say. MrOllie (talk) 17:39, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, you don't seem to be very familiar with how we write articles. That's OK - everybody was new once - but you have been told now by several very experienced editors that your ideas for this page aren't good ones. How about we draw a line under this now and all go do something productive? Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 17:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I have made an example on the actual article.95.0.32.95 (talk) 17:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

You must stop editing the article like that, what you're doing is just flat out incorrect factually. MrOllie (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

This is the final version I was just trying to show you.95.0.32.95 (talk) 17:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)